GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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11 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Absolutely

Why is it hard for you to understand that not everyone in America is "in it for bux"? Watch some of his inter-actions with hosts of different  news outlets and you might just find out the Guy actually loves this country. It's not a money thing to him to actually want to uphold the constitution. Talking about Elon.

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4 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

Well that is pretty dull of you.

$75M just to be friends? Come on man, Trump loves money.

You know nothing of the man!! You have TDS like so many others. He has given so much of his wealth away helping others. Maybe you should turn in your visa and stay north of the border. I don't see you as a friend to the USofA. 

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11 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

There are plenty of traces of oil as tar ball in the sand.  They are not super bad but the pollution is not gone; do not kid yourself.

The disaster destroyed the entire fishing and tourism industry for an extended period!

I agree with the hazard pay stuff.

Did you know that the Gulf actually leaks tar blobs on its own? Seeps. 

The oil outta the DeepWater was light "sweet" crude. Not heavy black tars like in the Lebrea Tar Pits. You can argue this till the cows come home but factual material is out there.

A reminder, if your driving a FF car at all or is all you own, your part of the problem and not the solution. Same goes for notsosmart. You claimed to have 2 houses and whatever. Sell one and buy a EV. Put your money on it!!!!! Not so EV friendly?. Get a hybrid. Toyota makes alot of nice ones. 

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41 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Did you know that the Gulf actually leaks tar blobs on its own? Seeps. 

The oil outta the DeepWater was light "sweet" crude. Not heavy black tars like in the Lebrea Tar Pits. You can argue this till the cows come home but factual material is out there.

A reminder, if your driving a FF car at all or is all you own, your part of the problem and not the solution. Same goes for notsosmart. You claimed to have 2 houses and whatever. Sell one and buy a EV. Put your money on it!!!!! Not so EV friendly?. Get a hybrid. Toyota makes alot of nice ones. 

Yes I know there are natural oil leaks; the Athabasca river cuts through the oil sands and releases natural oil emissions.  The volume of emissions from Deepwater was vastly more than natural emissions - you know that.

We do plan on buying a EV soon - our detached garage is right next to a power line so charger hookup should be relatively cheap.

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1 hour ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

You know nothing of the man!! You have TDS like so many others. He has given so much of his wealth away helping others. Maybe you should turn in your visa and stay north of the border. I don't see you as a friend to the USofA. 

Show me an example of Trump giving to charity.

Trump brags that he doesn't even pay taxes to support the country.  "That makes me smart."

I don't have a visa, I have a passport.  I will not be a friend to a Trump USA.

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1 hour ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Why is it hard for you to understand that not everyone in America is "in it for bux"? Watch some of his inter-actions with hosts of different  news outlets and you might just find out the Guy actually loves this country. It's not a money thing to him to actually want to uphold the constitution. Talking about Elon.

Remember you are not voting for Elon Musk.

Trump loves money.  I agree that Musk would make a better president than Trump.

He can't run but he can buy someone who can.

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1 hour ago, TailingsPond said:

Show me an example of Trump giving to charity.

Trump brags that he doesn't even pay taxes to support the country.  "That makes me smart."

I don't have a visa, I have a passport.  I will not be a friend to a Trump USA.

Show you an example? If your too damn lazy to search for yourself, because of your blind hatred, please just stay north of the border no matter who wins. So biased, so dumb..... pity for you!

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1 hour ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Show you an example? If your too damn lazy to search for yourself, because of your blind hatred, please just stay north of the border no matter who wins. So biased, so dumb..... pity for you!

Who is too damn lazy to search? You!  It is hard to find real charitable acts from Trump using his own money and I have no interest in finding them and posting them as I do not like him.  You can campaign for him, I wont. 

If you are going to call someone dumb and lazy try not to mistake "your" with "you're" in your post. 

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1 hour ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Show you an example? If your too damn lazy to search for yourself, because of your blind hatred, please just stay north of the border no matter who wins. So biased, so dumb..... pity for you!

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/trump-pays-2-million-fine-for-stealing-from-charity.html

Pretty easy to find Trump stealing from charity.

Find some charitable works from Trumps personal wealth to counteract my evidence he steals from charities.

Calling me biased is funny.

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*sigh*

I wish some fossil human here could actually be a worthy contender.  I grow bored with dullards who can't form a logical argument and only insult.

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4 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Why is it hard for you to understand that not everyone in America is "in it for bux"? Watch some of his inter-actions with hosts of different  news outlets and you might just find out the Guy actually loves this country. It's not a money thing to him to actually want to uphold the constitution. Talking about Elon.

You know Trump does not respect the constitution, right? It is on record, he posted it himself.

“Do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,”

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20 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Eco is the gift that keeps giving!

Too funny!

Thanks for the joke, Rob.

Here is something that is really funny.

Sleep well!

"For example, analysis of publicly available statistics from South Korean government agencies, one of the early adopters of electric vehicles, show the number of fires per registered electric vehicle is steadily increasing. Fire risk remains lower than for traditional vehicles, although the gap is shrinking as the electric vehicle fleet ages. And the highly publicised nature of their fires is a source of growing buyer hesitancy.

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19 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Dude, Musk owns Tesla and Trump.

Musk is not giving Trump money for nothing.  Don't be naive and think Trump will be the saviour of the USA ICE auto industry.  Trump even recently badmouthed the traditional auto industry because they have unions.

Furthermore, the regulations you hate are at the State level.

No, the really hard regulations are at the federal level.

If Trump wins, those CO2 levels regulations will come off, and there will be freedom of transportation.

The California governorship will be transitioned to a more intellectual and intelligent holder.

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14 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

No, the really hard regulations are at the federal level.

If Trump wins, those CO2 levels regulations will come off, and there will be freedom of transportation.

The California governorship will be transitioned to a more intellectual and intelligent holder.

The feds can not stop California regulations without violating the constitution.  10th amendment buddy.

Everyone will follow California rules as shown by history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

"Since 1992, the Supreme Court has ruled the Tenth Amendment prohibits the federal government from forcing states to pass or not pass certain legislation, or to enforce federal law."

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1 hour ago, TailingsPond said:

The feds can not stop California regulations without violating the constitution.  10th amendment buddy.

Everyone will follow California rules as shown by history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

"Since 1992, the Supreme Court has ruled the Tenth Amendment prohibits the federal government from forcing states to pass or not pass certain legislation, or to enforce federal law."

CO2 regulations are federal, dude.

You may borrow my handkerchief and weep.

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Just now, Ecocharger said:

CO2 regulations are federal, dude.

Vehicle emission regulations can be at the state level dude.

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7 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

Vehicle emission regulations can be at the state level dude.

The CO2 regulations which count are federal, dude.

https://www.c2es.org/content/regulating-power-sector-carbon-emissions/#:~:text=Multiple laws and court cases,and regulate greenhouse gas emissions.

"Multiple laws and court cases give the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) the legal authority to monitor and regulate greenhouse gas emissions. Regulations were proposed (and most were finalized) after EPA’s authority to directly regulate greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act was clarified in the U.S. Supreme Court decision in Massachusetts v. EPA (2007)."

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Just now, Ecocharger said:

The CO2 regulations which count are federal, dude.

Really?  You were just whinging about California's upcoming vehicle emission laws; going on about how some broke flyover states are mad about it and trying to sue.  Remember?

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6 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

Really?  You were just whinging about California's upcoming vehicle emission laws; going on about how some broke flyover states are mad about it and trying to sue.  Remember?

The limits are defined by federal regulations, dud(e).

https://www.c2es.org/content/regulating-power-sector-carbon-emissions/#:~:text=Multiple laws and court cases,and regulate greenhouse gas emissions.

"Multiple laws and court cases give the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) the legal authority to monitor and regulate greenhouse gas emissions. Regulations were proposed (and most were finalized) after EPA’s authority to directly regulate greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act was clarified in the U.S. Supreme Court decision in Massachusetts v. EPA (2007)."

 

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On 10/7/2024 at 1:52 AM, Ecocharger said:

Some Americans are now taking legal action to overturn the EPA's regulations on private vehicles.

https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2024/08/14/eight-states-file-court-brief-challenging-californias-electric-vehicle-mandate/

"Bird said in a press release that California’s electric vehicle mandate will also increase costs for consumers in other states and limit options for new cars. 

“I will not stand by as American families are forced to pay the price for California’s green car mandates,” Bird said in a press release. “California and the Biden-Harris EPA are eliminating purchasing options for families across the country and mandating they buy more expensive electric cars at a time when they are already struggling to make ends meet. The law is clear; California does not have the power to mandate the cars Iowans drive.”"

Here is the post where you clearly confuse EPA regulations and California state regulations.

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8 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

The limits are defined by federal regulations, dud(e).

https://www.c2es.org/content/regulating-power-sector-carbon-emissions/#:~:text=Multiple laws and court cases,and regulate greenhouse gas emissions.

"Multiple laws and court cases give the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) the legal authority to monitor and regulate greenhouse gas emissions. Regulations were proposed (and most were finalized) after EPA’s authority to directly regulate greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act was clarified in the U.S. Supreme Court decision in Massachusetts v. EPA (2007)."

 

The EPA can impose additional federal regulations, or not, but they can not stop state regulations. Even if Trump dissolves the EPA entirely the individual states would still be free to make regulations.

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12 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

"Multiple laws and court cases give the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) the legal authority to monitor and regulate greenhouse gas emissions. Regulations were proposed (and most were finalized) after EPA’s authority to directly regulate greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act was clarified in the U.S. Supreme Court decision in Massachusetts v. EPA (2007)."

 

Bush (R) was president at that time.

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23 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

The EPA can impose additional federal regulations, or not, but they can not stop state regulations. Even if Trump dissolves the EPA entirely the individual states would still be free to make regulations.

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
 

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52 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
 

Wait and see what happens, it won't be what you think.

Did you see Tesla stock today?

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22 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

Did you see Tesla stock today?

Membership does have it's privileges.