TailingsPond + 874 GE November 7 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Membership does have it's privileges. So Musk made billions today with his EV company, do you still think Trump will stop EV adoption? His spaceships are going to get huge NASA contracts as well. Edited November 7 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE November 7 (edited) On 11/4/2024 at 5:28 PM, Old-Ruffneck said: Why is it hard for you to understand that not everyone in America is "in it for bux"? Did you see how much Tesla made today? Why is it hard for you to understand the super rich do things for money? Edited November 7 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM November 7 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Membership does have it's privileges. I wonder if Elon renewed his membership in his number one selling location....China you can bet with a trade war....tarrifs and anything China made........His membership will not get renewed . Teslas are overpriced and now a tool for China to play with. Rocky road ahead for Tesla in China...Unless you plan on stepping up and buying/importing 500,000 Teslas a year. Chinesse are very nationalistic and do not like when anyone screws with their export businesses...... Reuters Tesla's Oct China-made EV sales fall 5.3% y/y BEIJING, Nov 4 (Reuters) - U.S. automaker Tesla (TSLA.O) , opens new tab sold 68,280 China-made electric vehicles in October, down 5.3% from... . 2 days ago Business Insider More Bad News for Tesla in China Tesla's sales slip comes amid a record year for competitor BYD in the ever-important Chinese market. . 1 day ago Yahoo Finance Tesla EV sales in China fall 5.3% in October Tesla's (TSLA) EV sales in China have fallen by 5.3% year-over-year for the month of October. Morning Brief hosts Seana Smith and Brad Smith... . 2 days ago CNBC Chinese EV maker BYD's quarterly sales overtook Tesla's for the first time The milestone comes amid tough competition in China, the world's largest auto market, as well as higher tariffs on imports of Chinese EVs... . 6 days ago Edited November 7 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,237 er November 7 3 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Did you see how much Tesla made today? Why is it hard for you to understand the super rich do things for money? So did the S&P, Bitcoin.... what are you telling me?? Trump won, and senate and house will be red too. Are you bitter up there?? 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,237 er November 7 3 hours ago, TailingsPond said: So Musk made billions today with his EV company, do you still think Trump will stop EV adoption? His spaceships are going to get huge NASA contracts as well. Very disingenuous of you. You got TDS as does notsosmart; 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 706 November 7 On 10/23/2024 at 10:46 PM, notsonice said: But it has cost consumers way too much????? and yet you post nothing to back up your claim the wind belt in the US has the lowest cost electricity...take a look at the wind states ...they all have electricity costs that are less than the US average US Electricity Profile 2023 Name Average retail price (cents/kWh) Net summer capacity (MW) Net generation (MWh) Total retail sales (MWh) Alabama 11.47 31,097 139,435,010 84,880,359 Alaska 21.41 2,821 6,717,825 6,024,598 Arizona 12.19 29,885 111,838,736 85,918,798 Arkansas 9.73 15,062 63,195,647 48,649,300 California 24.87 90,375 216,628,794 239,480,452 Colorado 11.76 19,541 57,541,720 55,565,819 Connecticut 24.24 9,936 40,666,418 26,685,176 Delaware 12.85 3,296 4,772,059 11,081,671 District of Columbia 16.50 52 171,870 9,879,714 Florida 13.53 68,723 259,798,479 250,940,214 Georgia 11.06 37,786 129,221,513 142,028,831 Hawaii 38.60 3,222 9,194,164 8,927,252 Idaho 9.08 5,353 17,842,446 25,673,977 Illinois 11.75 45,419 177,737,641 130,578,217 Indiana 11.49 26,578 90,046,880 95,995,350 Iowa 9.42 22,706 69,836,973 54,400,259 Kansas 10.80 19,197 58,456,598 41,052,008 Kentucky 9.96 18,336 63,217,080 71,223,021 Louisiana 8.91 24,963 97,784,565 95,374,457 Maine 20.84 5,252 12,512,181 11,336,030 Maryland 14.34 11,924 36,000,650 57,033,085 Massachusetts 23.21 12,850 19,695,884 50,011,964 Michigan 13.68 31,120 120,656,625 97,588,690 Minnesota 12.21 17,842 57,276,862 66,215,800 Mississippi 10.95 14,833 72,933,440 48,421,762 Missouri 10.87 21,172 66,703,285 76,975,799 Montana 10.97 6,698 26,895,758 15,504,699 Nebraska 9.14 10,781 39,445,955 33,571,199 Nevada 13.09 14,536 42,164,375 38,249,355 New Hampshire 22.96 4,467 16,824,999 10,631,313 New Jersey 15.27 16,838 64,228,924 71,096,939 New Mexico 9.47 10,724 39,269,073 28,347,490 New York 18.28 40,230 124,039,988 139,421,936 North Carolina 10.61 35,864 126,553,394 133,091,108 North Dakota 8.03 9,402 42,068,807 28,202,179 Ohio 11.04 29,104 133,223,464 146,640,983 Oklahoma 9.30 31,690 89,236,024 68,978,840 Oregon 10.32 17,469 61,691,869 57,984,962 Pennsylvania 12.57 48,526 235,924,937 138,710,993 Rhode Island 21.62 2,289 10,430,846 7,300,788 South Carolina 10.50 24,422 100,853,387 81,202,185 South Dakota 10.49 6,799 17,436,158 13,505,999 Tennessee 10.69 20,924 77,791,204 99,046,005 Texas 10.04 155,010 547,294,552 492,820,385 Utah 9.03 9,710 33,496,554 33,343,537 Vermont 17.53 856 2,480,199 5,364,023 Virginia 10.68 28,218 91,059,344 132,318,505 Washington 9.58 30,884 102,960,605 89,552,630 West Virginia 10.26 15,005 52,286,784 32,070,687 Wisconsin 12.72 17,580 62,548,705 68,563,904 Wyoming 8.39 10,192 43,181,420 16,790,115 U.S. Total 12.68 1,187,555 4,183,270,672 3,874,253,362 We have wind farms all around central Illinois, several near me. Our prices have risen steadily ever since they began building them. Now they are trying to con me into signing up to help them pay for new ones. My charges for delivery of electricity and natural gas are about as high as the cost of the energy itself then I pay several taxes with the bill. Some of those are to help support "clean" energy. If you follow the money, the benefit always goes to the suppliers. You have very little concept of how large corporations ramp up their profits to pay off politicians and investors. The customers are not the beneficiaries of wind farms and solar plants. Natural gas and oil are the solutions that benefits the customers. One of my daughters in California pays over $1000 per month for air conditioning and electricity, several months of the year. California has plenty of wind and solar while repressing natural gas, and oil production and use. Coloradans are now making the same mistake. 1 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE November 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said: So did the S&P, Bitcoin.... what are you telling me?? Small bumps compared to Tesla. Unlike Tesla and Musk no single person has a massive share of bitcoin or the S&P. Can you understand that the EV company owner on stage next to Trump made billions? Not the market, not the economy, the guy on stage next to Trump with a voice in the POTUS elect ear. You guys will be sore when the EV revolution not only doesn't stop but gains speed. Edited November 7 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE November 7 1 hour ago, Ron Wagner said: You have very little concept of how large corporations ramp up their profits to pay off politicians and investors. Sound like Tesla and Trump. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,237 er November 7 9 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Sound like Tesla and Trump. You sound very bitter. Drill baby drill!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE November 7 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said: You sound very bitter. Drill baby drill!!!! Not happy, not bitter, I just observe. Take note, oil prices didn't get any help from your little victory. Meanwhile Tesla shares continue to rise. Owning the executive branch is good for a company's fiscal forecast. Do you deny that the owner of a large corporation paid a politician? Edited November 7 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL November 7 18 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Wait and see what happens, it won't be what you think. Did you see Tesla stock today? Here is what will probably happen...good for oil producers with low costs. https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/06/oil-markets-future-still-uncertain-under-donald-trump-after-election-win.html "Cole Smead, president and CEO of Smead Capital. “If the Trump administration opens up federal leases for oil and gas, Federal lands would get 25% per barrel of revenues. You will have a lot of trouble finding an oil company that can make money at $52.50 per barrel with what they have left from a $70 barrel,” Smead said in emailed notes. “The only thing that will cause drill baby drill to happen is higher oil prices based on these margins.” “Drill baby, drill is going to run into the energy vigilantes,” he added. “Now that equity investors in the energy business know what free cash flow looks like they won’t give it up. They will allow capital expenditures to go up over their dead body.”" "For Smead, the outlook is bearish, as he predicts lower prices putting many producers — particularly those with higher production costs — in a less-than-ideal situation. “The price of goods that are produced is the number one factor in America’s policies,” he said. “If you are not the low-cost producer, you should be scared.”" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL November 7 12 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Small bumps compared to Tesla. Unlike Tesla and Musk no single person has a massive share of bitcoin or the S&P. Can you understand that the EV company owner on stage next to Trump made billions? Not the market, not the economy, the guy on stage next to Trump with a voice in the POTUS elect ear. You guys will be sore when the EV revolution not only doesn't stop but gains speed. Trump says that Musk will "stay away" from oil, liquid gold....good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL November 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Not happy, not bitter, I just observe. Take note, oil prices didn't get any help from your little victory. Meanwhile Tesla shares continue to rise. Owning the executive branch is good for a company's fiscal forecast. Do you deny that the owner of a large corporation paid a politician? I guess you are now disappointed with your own PM and his failed policies? Edited November 7 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE November 7 2 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Trump says that Musk will "stay away" from oil, liquid gold....good. Not using any oil is staying away from oil. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE November 7 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: “If the Trump administration opens up federal leases for oil and gas Here is where the you get stuck at the big"if." What is happening to Tesla stock yesterday and today? It not an "if" situation. The green energy company is making huge money RIGHT NOW. The rest of the article spells bad news for oil industry saying they will struggle with small margins. “If you are not the low-cost producer, you should be scared.” Edited November 7 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE November 7 2 hours ago, Ecocharger said: I guess you are now disappointed with your own PM and his failed policies? Unrelated. Try harder. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM November 7 this is one for the brain dead forum posters who cry Drill Baby Drill and ignore what is driving the oil market today and future demand you should invest your life savings .....mortgage everyhting you own........invest in oil if you really believe the moron that sold you Drill Baby Drill ..................Go out and lease some acreage and Drill Baby Drill now is anyone here thinking the price of Crude is going to rebound any time in the next year without a major war???????? China is going to ditch EV's and LNG trucks?????????? Please cry Drill Baby Drill......as it just shows you are not playing with a full deck of cards....... Crude Oil Prices Today | OilPrice.com China's Crude Oil Imports Continue to Slump China's crude oil imports have declined for six consecutive months, raising concerns about the country's oil demand growth and its impact on... . 8 hours ago “This year, global oil demand is very weak, much weaker than previous years, and we expect this will continue because of one word — China,” Birol told Bloomberg in an interview last month. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL November 7 3 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Unrelated. Try harder. He is the ultimate anti-oil guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE November 8 23 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: He is the ultimate anti-oil guy. He managed to get the trans mountain pipeline expansion approved and built. The conservative government failed to get any pipelines built, they lacked the ability to negotiate with the first nations and environmental groups. Try harder. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,237 er November 8 9 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Not happy, not bitter, I just observe. Take note, oil prices didn't get any help from your little victory. Meanwhile Tesla shares continue to rise. Owning the executive branch is good for a company's fiscal forecast. Do you deny that the owner of a large corporation paid a politician? You just keep pulling shit outta thin air. Conspiracy that Elon and Trump will do what exactly?? As for price of oil, it is going to go down some 8-10 dollars a bbl for WTI and Brent. But this is a good thing for the consumer. I hope it goes even lower, making the EV market take a crap. In 6 months we'll see how energy plays out. Currently Argentina just hit a massive Shale field. Guyana and Suriname are ramping up and are at moment non-opec. So notsosmart is defiantly someone to emulate? You are sure starting to sound more like the moron he is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM November 8 (edited) love it when the morons think they can do as they please when it comes to energy policies and monetary policy Price of Gold went up on the comments out of Powell....... ‘Not permitted under the law’ - Fed Chair Powell pushes back hard against suggestions that Trump might dismiss him KITCO https://www.kitco.com › news › article › not-permitted-... https://www.kitco.com/news/article/2024-11-07/not-permitted-under-law-fed-chair-powell-pushes-back-hard-against 3 hours ago — (Kitco News) –Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell began his post-FOMC press conference adamant about not talking politics, explaining the Edited November 8 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE November 8 5 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said: As for price of oil, it is going to go down some 8-10 dollars a bbl for WTI and Brent. If that occurs there is no profit for the oil producers. Your buddy Eco just posted this line: "You will have a lot of trouble finding an oil company that can make money at $52.50 per barrel with what they have left from a $70 barrel,” Smead said in emailed notes. “The only thing that will cause drill baby drill to happen is higher oil prices based on these margins.”" 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE November 8 11 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said: You just keep pulling shit outta thin air. Conspiracy that Elon and Trump will do what exactly? There is no conspiracy theory. Trump won and the stock price of Tesla immediately skyrocketed. It is clear to see for everyone. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,237 er November 8 Just now, TailingsPond said: There is no conspiracy theory. Trump won and the stock price of Tesla immediately skyrocketed. It is clear to see for everyone. Get something original Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,237 er November 8 (edited) 20 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: If that occurs there is no profit for the oil producers. Your buddy Eco just posted this line: "You will have a lot of trouble finding an oil company that can make money at $52.50 per barrel with what they have left from a $70 barrel,” Smead said in emailed notes. “The only thing that will cause drill baby drill to happen is higher oil prices based on these margins.”" Oil from Guyana lift prices, about 29.50 a bbl. So West Texas wells drilled in the 70's-90's still under 32.00 a bbl. Many thousands of wells. Even the new fracking in West Texas is still below 60.00 a bbl. Average out all producing wells and they are still making a very handsome profit. Africa is next in line as they want the "black gold" buck too. My guess there are many fields on that continent that are going to be explored soon as one can civilize some of the tribes, unlike Columbia where they are getting "tapped" all up and down the piplelines. Losing alot of oil to thieves. No forget Anwar ..... lots of oil and easy to get there. Edited November 8 by Old-Ruffneck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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