GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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There is a basic confrontation now in Congress over the future of American energy, reality on the one side, fantasy on the other.

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Democrats-Divided-On-Bidens-35-Trillion-Green-Energy-Plan.html

"Divisions are deepening between Democratic Senators over the $3.5 trillion economic recovery plan proposed by the Biden administration, in which an energy system overhaul features heavily. West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, for one, earlier called for "a strategic pause" on discussions of the package after openly expressing skepticism about the price tag of the plan. "I have always said if I can't explain it, I can't vote for it, and I can't explain why my Democratic colleagues are rushing to spend $3.5 trillion," Manchin wrote in an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal."

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Here is a voice of reason, 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/manchin-pelosi-biden-3-5-trillion-reconciliation-government-spending-debt-deficit-inflation-11630605657

Why I Won’t Support Spending Another $3.5 Trillion

Amid inflation, debt and the inevitability of future crises, Congress needs to take a strategic pause.

Edited September 14, 2021 by Ecocharger

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14 hours ago, ronwagn said:

That is what happens when you trust the Russians for your energy. They are using blackmail to raise prices, pretendint to not have it all of a sudden!

That is also what happens when you attempt to restrict and eliminate the basic sources of energy....it doesn't take an Einstein to figure that one out.

Obviously, Europe is short of Einstein's these days.

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17 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Biden and company are forcing all forms of energy prices up. When statism rules anything can happen. I am betting on common sense prevailing in the general public. Betting that they will make wiser choices. Pritzker, in Illinois where I live, is making all the wrong choices. This will, admittedly, cost Illinoians greatly. More Illinoians will move out. 

There is still some hope of rational thought surviving in Congress.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/manchin-pelosi-biden-3-5-trillion-reconciliation-government-spending-debt-deficit-inflation-11630605657

Why I Won’t Support Spending Another $3.5 Trillion

Amid inflation, debt and the inevitability of future crises, Congress needs to take a strategic pause.

Edited September 14, 2021 by Ecocharger

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The people of California have had enough of this nonsense from irresponsible alarmists.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Californias-Top-Oil-Producing-County-Sues-Governor-Newsom.html

"“Heedless of the law and unfaithful to the California Constitution he swore to uphold, contrary to the needs of thousands of workers, families, schools and other governmental services dependent on Kern County’s oil and gas industry, and contrary to the forecasted harm to our State’s air quality, increased pollution, increased sea, rail and ground traffic, harm to consumers and disproportionate harm on minority and low-income populations, Governor Newsom has declared himself above the law.” “The County’s lawsuit asks the Court to stop this power grab and return control to California’s elected Legislature,” it added."

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New Coal Projects Declined by 76% Since Paris Agreement

https://www.ecowatch.com/new-coal-plants-paris-agreement-2655022908.html

@Ecocharger I know you are a coal fan but its a rapidly dying form of energy (steel production aside)

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20 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

The people of California have had enough of this nonsense from irresponsible alarmists.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Californias-Top-Oil-Producing-County-Sues-Governor-Newsom.html

"“Heedless of the law and unfaithful to the California Constitution he swore to uphold, contrary to the needs of thousands of workers, families, schools and other governmental services dependent on Kern County’s oil and gas industry, and contrary to the forecasted harm to our State’s air quality, increased pollution, increased sea, rail and ground traffic, harm to consumers and disproportionate harm on minority and low-income populations, Governor Newsom has declared himself above the law.” “The County’s lawsuit asks the Court to stop this power grab and return control to California’s elected Legislature,” it added."

Those interests may win their argument in a court of law.

Given yesterdays recall election, it appears they have lost in the "court of public choice".

BY A TRUE LANDSLIDE!

 

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Another example of misguided Green energy policy in Europe causing a squeeze on allowable energy production, a self-imposed economic disaster.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Two-More-UK-Energy-Firms-Go-Bust-Amid-Record-Power-Prices.html

"Two more energy suppliers have gone bust, leaving 500,000 customers needing a new provider, amid record prices for electricity and gas.

Both Utility Point and People’s Energy have ceased trading, Ofgem has announced, the sixth and seventh energy companies to do so this year.

Bournemouth-based Utility Point provided power to 220,000 customers, while London’s People’s Energy had 350,000 customers."

Edited September 15, 2021 by Ecocharger

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10 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

New Coal Projects Declined by 76% Since Paris Agreement

https://www.ecowatch.com/new-coal-plants-paris-agreement-2655022908.html

@Ecocharger I know you are a coal fan but its a rapidly dying form of energy (steel production aside)

That report carefully ignores recent developments in China and India. This article looks like a propaganda piece, not an objective assessment.

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2 hours ago, turbguy said:

Those interests may win their argument in a court of law.

Given yesterdays recall election, it appears they have lost in the "court of public choice".

BY A TRUE LANDSLIDE!

 

We will see what happens in the courts. This issue may turn around as reality begins to emerge. Congress is not an easy ride for the Green Dream.

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49 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

We will see what happens in the courts. This issue may turn around as reality begins to emerge. Congress is not an easy ride for the Green Dream.

What does Congress have to do with this?

 

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

That report carefully ignores recent developments in China and India. This article looks like a propaganda piece, not an objective assessment.

No, it is you who carefully ignored the whole section in the report on China:

China continues to dominate the global coal power landscape. China’s operating capacity grew in 2020, with a net increase of 38GW offsetting retirements in the OECD & EU.

However, even with its continued pursuit of coal in recent years, China has also seen a 74% reduction in the scale of its project pipeline. 484GW have been cancelled since Paris, in relation to only 198GW which became operational

https://www.e3g.org/publications/no-new-coal-china-overview/

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4 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

We will see what happens in the courts. This issue may turn around as reality begins to emerge. Congress is not an easy ride for the Green Dream.

If you cannot recognize a public landslide, too bad.

Newsom performed "biggly"!

Reality seems to be winning.

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The Green Whiners really cannot get their act together. Not being satisfied with shutting down the basic sources of energy for the American people, they now want to shackle the wind power industry with unworkable trade restrictions.

You can't make this stuff up...shooting yourself in the foot not just once, but twice!

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Iberdrola-US-Risks-Killing-Its-Own-Offshore-Wind-Boom.html

"Proposals in the U.S. Congress to tie green tax credits with local content materials risk holding back the American offshore wind sector even before it has started to flourish, a top executive at a major project offshore Massachusetts told the Financial Times. Democrats in Congress have proposed a number of tax credits and incentives for clean energy and electric vehicles (EVs) in the $3.5 trillion spending bill, but the proposals include tying some of the tax credits with the condition that the steel and other materials are produced in the United States. However, most of the wind power industry, including offshore wind, relies very much on turbines made in Europe. Bill White, head of offshore wind at Avangrid, part of European renewables giant Iberdrola, told FT that the local content condition would hold back the development of offshore wind, on the one hand, and raise costs, on the other hand."

Edited September 16, 2021 by Ecocharger

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On 9/13/2021 at 8:03 PM, Wombat1 said:

Ron, it has long been known that atmospheric CO2 levels are the primary driver of climate change throughout the 4 billion years that Earth has existed. There has only been 4 major ice ages in Earth's history, and whilst some scientists believe this will be the last, it is indeed strange that we are still in one at all given that astrophysicists calculate that the sun's radiance increases by 7% every billion years. You might find these articles interesting:

Ice age - Wikipedia

Geomagnetic reversal - Wikipedia

quote:" The causes of ice ages are not fully understood for either the large-scale ice age periods or the smaller ebb and flow of glacial–interglacial periods within an ice age. The consensus is that several factors are important: atmospheric composition, such as the concentrations of carbon dioxide and methane (the specific levels of the previously mentioned gases are now able to be seen with the new ice core samples from EPICA Dome C in Antarctica over the past 800,000 years); changes in Earth's orbit around the Sun known as Milankovitch cycles; the motion of tectonic plates resulting in changes in the relative location and amount of continental and oceanic crust on Earth's surface, which affect wind and ocean currents; variations in solar output; the orbital dynamics of the Earth–Moon system; the impact of relatively large meteorites and volcanism including eruptions of supervolcanoes.^{[57][citation needed]"}

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age#Causes

it might mean " variation of solar output, impact of large meteorites on earth (which might have created huge mass of dust), and volcanic eruptions of supervolcanoes (which created huge mass of ash etc) " could be the direct reasons?

the sky was clouded from sun due to large amount of ash and dust etc + reduction of solar output and changes of Earth's location...... ==> temperature turned really cold ==> ice age?

carbon dioxide might be a by product, but might have no direct relation with the cooling? If it was found in large amount after ice age to indicate it is a culprit of warming, this relation might be misleading? Could it be just an after math of , or left over from, the former disaster??

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9 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

What does Congress have to do with this?

 

Glad you asked, here is what Congress has to do with it.

There is still some hope of rational thought surviving in Congress.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/manchin-pelosi-biden-3-5-trillion-reconciliation-government-spending-debt-deficit-inflation-11630605657

"Why I Won’t Support Spending Another $3.5 Trillion

Amid inflation, debt and the inevitability of future crises, Congress needs to take a strategic pause."

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13 hours ago, turbguy said:

Those interests may win their argument in a court of law.

 

 

Truer words were never spoken, my friend.

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12 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Glad you asked, here is what Congress has to do with it.

There is still some hope of rational thought surviving in Congress.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/manchin-pelosi-biden-3-5-trillion-reconciliation-government-spending-debt-deficit-inflation-11630605657

"Why I Won’t Support Spending Another $3.5 Trillion

Amid inflation, debt and the inevitability of future crises, Congress needs to take a strategic pause."

That has absolutely nothing to do with the fracking ban in California. But I guess you can't understand the difference.

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3 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

That has absolutely nothing to do with the fracking ban in California. But I guess you can't understand the difference.

Of course it relates, this is all part of the Green Dream scheme. It all hangs together and will all fall together.

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1 minute ago, Ecocharger said:

Of course it relates, this is all part of the Green Dream scheme. It all hangs together and will fall together.

Fracking in California is a state issue. Congress has no jurisdiction. Please do keep showing us your lack of understanding about how things work.

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3 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Fracking in California is a state issue. Congress has no jurisdiction. Please do keep showing us your lack of understanding about how things work.

When the Green Dream is closed down, the fracking ban will be discussed on its own merits without the  climate alarmism providing the fuel.

Edited September 16, 2021 by Ecocharger

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13 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

That report carefully ignores recent developments in China and India. This article looks like a propaganda piece, not an objective assessment.

Then there's this today on Oil price

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Africas-Largest-Bank-Stops-Funding-New-Coal-Plants.html

What evidence have you got that this is propaganda? Coal is expensive compared to other energy sources and it is a pariah in the energy world now in all countries bar China and therefore cannot get the investment in new projects. India is moving away from coal rapidly.

https://www.thethirdpole.net/en/climate/indias-largest-thermal-power-firm-is-moving-away-from-coal/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw1ouKBhC5ARIsAHXNMI--kumDNimcIxpqB1Yc_i7xvHghimCiR3JBlmp5q7SrOQp4ey8UOKUaAlgkEALw_wcB

https://ieefa.org/ieefa-new-coal-fired-power-plants-in-india-will-be-economically-unviable/

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A coal to solar project....get used to it...There is life after death for coal properties

 

Dominion Energy and The Nature Conservancy plan solar project on former Virginia coalfield

By Billy Ludt | September 13, 2021

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The Nature Conservancy and Dominion Energy Virginia are developing one of the first utility-scale solar projects on former surface mines in the coalfields of Southwest Virginia.

Credit: Dominion Energy

The Highlands Solar project will repurpose roughly 1,200 acres of the former Red Onion surface mine and surrounding properties in Wise and Dickenson Counties. The project will generate approximately 50 MW of solar energy.

“This project is a huge win for Southwest Virginia’s economy,” said Ed Baine, president of Dominion Energy Virginia. “It’s also another major step toward building a 100% clean energy economy in Virginia. Repurposing former coal mines for solar is a smart way to enhance the region’s economy and bring renewables to Southwest Virginia.”

This project announcement comes two months after The Nature Conservancy announced a similar effort to construct solar on former mined lands with Charlottesville-based Sun Tribe, and Washington, D.C.-based Sol Systems. Taking all three companies’ efforts together, the utility-scale solar projects within the Cumberland Forest Project will cover nearly 1,700 acres and generate an estimated 120 MW of solar energy.

“Southwest Virginia and the wider Central Appalachian coalfields have an important role to play in the renewable energy economy,” said Brad Kreps, director of The Nature Conservancy’s Clinch Valley Program. “Some of the region’s former mined lands are well suited for solar development and by directing development towards these areas it will help us conserve the region’s intact forests for wood products, carbon storage, wildlife habitats, outdoor recreation and tourism. By collaborating with Dominion Energy and other companies on these initial projects, we hope to develop a model that can be replicated in other coal mining regions across the U.S.”

The Highlands Solar project will be developed within the Cumberland Forest Project and surrounding properties. Managed by The Nature Conservancy, the Cumberland Forest Project was announced in 2019 and encompasses nearly 253,000 acres of land in Southwest Virginia, Eastern Tennessee and Eastern Kentucky.

The majority of the property is designated for the protection and restoration of native forests. However, there are several thousand acres of non-forested, former surface coal mines that can support solar energy projects and local economic development with minimal impacts to the environment.

Over the next two to three years, Dominion Energy will conduct additional field studies, further develop the project plans, and complete the local and state permitting processes. The company will jointly develop the project with ANTARES Group, which will serve as the owner’s engineer. The company plans to begin construction in 2024 or 2025, subject to review and approval by the Virginia State Corporation Commission.

“For generations, Southwest Virginia’s coalfields have powered America’s homes and our economy,” said Delegate Terry Kilgore. “As we transition to cleaner energy, Southwest Virginia is once again leading the way. I’m excited to see The Nature Conservancy, Dominion Energy, and other solar developers investing in our region and helping to pave the way for the next generation of economic progress in Southwest Virginia.”

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21 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Another example of misguided Green energy policy in Europe causing a squeeze on allowable energy production, a self-imposed economic disaster.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Two-More-UK-Energy-Firms-Go-Bust-Amid-Record-Power-Prices.html

"Two more energy suppliers have gone bust, leaving 500,000 customers needing a new provider, amid record prices for electricity and gas.

Both Utility Point and People’s Energy have ceased trading, Ofgem has announced, the sixth and seventh energy companies to do so this year.

Bournemouth-based Utility Point provided power to 220,000 customers, while London’s People’s Energy had 350,000 customers."

When a power company goes broke, the transmission lines and the generating equipment are still there, and will still be operated by somebody.  This is just an example of a power company having a bad business model.  During a period of transition such as we are living in now, or when there are extreme events (like the extreme cold and ice storms in Texas last winter) companies with bad/flawed business plans get hung out to dry.  They will be replaced by new ones in a reasonably seamless way from the POV of electricity consumers and life will go on.  

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21 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

That report carefully ignores recent developments in China and India. This article looks like a propaganda piece, not an objective assessment.

 

20 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

No, it is you who carefully ignored the whole section in the report on China:

China continues to dominate the global coal power landscape. China’s operating capacity grew in 2020, with a net increase of 38GW offsetting retirements in the OECD & EU.

However, even with its continued pursuit of coal in recent years, China has also seen a 74% reduction in the scale of its project pipeline. 484GW have been cancelled since Paris, in relation to only 198GW which became operational

https://www.e3g.org/publications/no-new-coal-china-overview/

No, it's definately real, even when you include China.  China has constructed a lot of coal fired power plants recently ,and there are quite a few under construction, or being newly comissioned. What most people don't understand is that these plants are replacing older less efficient ones, and are usually operating at low load factors to ensure grid reliability.  The 'open secret' is that China can't extract coal any faster than it already is, and it can't expand coal usage beyond what it is already consuming without absolutely enormous financial costs for long distance imports, and/or exploitation of very difficult to get to domestic deposits.  This is why China is rapidly building out it's ability to generate electricity by any and all other possible means.  I discuss this here with numerous links and citations: https://epgsolutionsco.com/articles-and-news-blog/f/china-is-running-out-of-coal-now-what

India IS still expanding it's coal usage, but it's not happening fast enough to offset everything else going on,  and because of India's relatively limited coal reserves it will only take another 5-10 years or so before it's coal extraction rate tops out, no matter how much they would like to do things otherwise. 

Edited September 16, 2021 by Eric Gagen