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2 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Norway Plugin EVs pass 90% of new car market share.

 

Sweden passes 50%

This just feeds the current energy crisis in Europe. How do you get energy into these dependent vehicles? Sad story now, with Russia diverting NG and coal away from Europe and towards China.

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China is doing its best to increase the production of coal, realizing the necessity of keeping the economy moving forward. Huge increases in coal production are being planned.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Coal/China-Ramps-Up-Coal-Production-To-Meet-Growing-Energy-Demand.html

"China’s state planner has asked power plants to build their coal inventory to the equivalent of at least seven days of consumption by July 21. News agency Reuters said the Chinese government was trying its best to ensure electric supply to the coal-fired plants amid surging power consumption from industrial and residential users.

In the first half of 2021, China has already added over 140 MT of coal mining capacity.

Eleven provinces registered record-breaking power load a few days ago, the Economic Times reported, as the heatwave led to higher use of electricity. In the first six months of 2021, power consumption rose by 16% from a year earlier, the report added.

While simultaneously augmenting coal capacity, the NDRC has come down on outdated coal capacity. Where once there were 10,000 coal mines in China in 2015, now there are about 5,000. The NDRC has been urging coal miners to set up advanced mining capacity and ramp up output.

China’s average daily coal consumption has gone up to over 2.2 MT at key power plants in at least eight provinces in China as of July 15, Reuters reported.

Meanwhile, the South China Morning Post quoted the NDRC, which said China will release over 10 MT of coal from its state reserves."

Edited October 2, 2021 by Ecocharger

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/all-climate-agreements-are-a-joke Nuclear fans will like this editorial. Natural gas is the bridge. A bridge that greenies are trying to destroy. 

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On 9/30/2021 at 3:10 PM, turbguy said:

The designed shape of the blades is a mix of engineering principles.

A larger cross section is required near the "root" for centripetal stress and pivot attachment considerations.   The blade tapers toward the tip (gets lighter per unit of length) for the same reason.

Also, the blades "twist" along the radius to accommodate the difference in relative wind, as that changes with the radial distance from the pivot.  Farther out from the pivot, the "wing" moves faster with respect to the incoming wind vector.  Blade material may even "untwist" slightly as rotational speed increases.

Vectors (from the blade's perspective, "relative wind") are used to design the twist.

Turbulence in the wind can be easily experienced at the seashore with an on-shore wind.  Note the difference in wind "roughness" by backing off from the surf by several hundred meters.  The uneven earth's surface causes atmospheric drag and eddies (turbulence) near the surface.

Turbulence interferes with even flow over the length of the blade, affecting relative wind over different areas of the blade, inducing fatigue and losses, as performance is reduced.

If you are attempting to compare the design of dutch windmills (some even had fabric sails and the like) to a modern wind turbine, there is a vast difference in shape due to the actual engineering considerations of the principles, and modern manufacturing capabilities involved.

 

 

I am wondering if graphene or similar strong fabrics and aluminum or other materials might be used someday?

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9 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

This just feeds the current energy crisis in Europe. How do you get energy into these dependent vehicles? Sad story now, with Russia diverting NG and coal away from Europe and towards China.

Norway is the exception that proves the rule. They are good for anyplace that has an excess of electrical power to sell to other neighboring countries. Simple, and why this is a frequently used graph by our EV expert. France is another example. They export electricity from their nuclear plants and are buying more EVs. https://insideevs.com/news/515076/france-plugin-sales-may-2021/

PHEVS Make sense for people who usually drive around town and can plug in. Unfortunately the advantage may not apply because of high electricity prices! Norway uses hydro and probably will not have really high prices for domestic use. I don't know of other countries that export much electricity. 

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1 hour ago, ronwagn said:

 Norway uses hydro and probably will not have really high prices for domestic use. I don't know of other countries that export much electricity. 

Try Canada...

(probably Hydro Quebec)

 

Edited October 3, 2021 by turbguy

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12 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

This just feeds the current energy crisis in Europe. How do you get energy into these dependent vehicles? Sad story now, with Russia diverting NG and coal away from Europe and towards China.

Sweden and Norway feeding the energy crisis in Europe? what planet are you on? In Norway and Sweden they are all green, no coal fired plants....no gas fired plants...The 9% thermal? Biomass off of their papermaking and timber production industries. How do you get energy in the vehicles in Sweden? you obviously have never lived in or visited Sweden.

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3 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Norway is the exception that proves the rule. They are good for anyplace that has an excess of electrical power to sell to other neighboring countries. Simple, and why this is a frequently used graph by our EV expert. France is another example. They export electricity from their nuclear plants and are buying more EVs. https://insideevs.com/news/515076/france-plugin-sales-may-2021/

PHEVS Make sense for people who usually drive around town and can plug in. Unfortunately the advantage may not apply because of high electricity prices! Norway uses hydro and probably will not have really high prices for domestic use. I don't know of other countries that export much electricity. 

I don't know of other countries that export much electricity. ???

Sweden exports 15 percent of their electricity production today. 

Sweden imports around 350,000 barrels of oil (for all purposes including cars trucks an buses) and by switching to EVs is working to reduce it to less than 100,000 barrels a day. Sweden has no nat gas reserves or oil reserves. Do they even use nat gas in Sweden?? .... all houses use electric baseboard heaters , heat pumps or they heat with wood in rural areas.

 

Sweden is moving forward with more massive wind projects and will be exporting much more with using their hydropower as essentially they backup power as needed.

 

 

Electricity in Sweden (TWh)

note the negative sign for import means export

Year	Use	Produce	Import*	Hydro
2017	141.2	160.2	−19.0	64.6
2018	141	158	−17	61
2019	138.3	164.4	−26.2	64.6

 

There is power transmission through HVDC to Poland via the SwePol-link, to Lithuania using the NordBalt-link, to Germany via the Baltic Cable, the Fenno–Skan to Finland and a connection to Denmark by the Konti-Skan-line. There are also conventional AC connections to Denmark, Norway and Finland.

Luxcara and GE Renewable Energy to deliver 753MW wind capacity to Sweden

Luxcara and GE Renewable Energy have announced an agreement to deliver 753MW of onshore wind capacity with the à–nusberget wind farm in northern Sweden.

According to the Luxcara press statement, the project will be the largest single onshore wind farm in Europe and GE’s largest onshore wind farm contract outside of the US. Luxcara has already started infrastructure work, and GE will begin installing turbines as early as July of this year.

GE Renewable Energy will supply 137 of its Cypress 5.5MW turbines, a powerful turbine with a 158-meter rotor, ideally suited for the project site’s wind speeds and climate. The turbine blades will be equipped with an innovative ice mitigation system, ensuring a stable level of availability and reduced downtime. The parties also agreed on a 25-year full-turbine maintenance and service contract.

The project with its sub-parks Kallamossen and Djupdal will produce enough power to supply electricity to the equivalent of more than 200,000 Swedish households per year and will save close to 1,000,000 tons of CO2e over its lifetime.

 

Alexandra von Bernstorff, managing partner of Luxcara, comments: “We are proud to work with GE to build Europe’s largest onshore wind farm in the resource-rich north of Sweden. We were among the first to enter the Nordic wind market back in 2015 and this project re-affirms our position as the region’s largest long-term investor in the sector.”

Jérà´me Pécresse, president and CEO of GE Renewable Energy, said: “We are delighted to have been selected by Luxcara to partner to the largest ever single onshore wind farm to be built in Europe. The à–nusberget wind farm marks our continuous commitment to the Swedish onshore wind market, extends our presence in Europe and confirms the confidence of our customers in Cypress, our most powerful onshore wind platform.”

 

Edited October 3, 2021 by notsonice

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On 9/27/2021 at 8:58 PM, nsdp said:

NERC has a different view. "60% of natural gas-fired generating units affected by fuel supply issues had outages, derates, or failures to start by February 14, and 32% had fuel supply issues before and after February 14." That is before the first wind turbines iced on the 15th. . 

The ice storm was on the 12th here in Austin and I believe either earlier that day or the day before out West.  We lost power for 30 hours due to ice but didn't lose it during the enforced blackout.  Our NG service was fine the whole time or we would have frozen.  I now have a NG generator hooked up which has already had to kick on twice since being fired up in August.  I think NG is going to be the most reliable utility.  

 

 

Edited October 3, 2021 by wrs

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16 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Norway is the exception that proves the rule. They are good for anyplace that has an excess of electrical power to sell to other neighboring countries. Simple, and why this is a frequently used graph by our EV expert. France is another example. They export electricity from their nuclear plants and are buying more EVs. https://insideevs.com/news/515076/france-plugin-sales-may-2021/

PHEVS Make sense for people who usually drive around town and can plug in. Unfortunately the advantage may not apply because of high electricity prices! Norway uses hydro and probably will not have really high prices for domestic use. I don't know of other countries that export much electricity. 

The problem is that in a period of high demand for energy, the basic sources of energy are being cut down due to world-wide climate panic, fueled by defective climate models. Investment in oil, NG, coal supplies has been strangulated by political factors related to climate panic, and this is creating the energy crisis we are now entering.

Edited October 3, 2021 by Ecocharger

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13 hours ago, notsonice said:

Sweden and Norway feeding the energy crisis in Europe? what planet are you on? In Norway and Sweden they are all green, no coal fired plants....no gas fired plants...The 9% thermal? Biomass off of their papermaking and timber production industries. How do you get energy in the vehicles in Sweden? you obviously have never lived in or visited Sweden.

You seem to be confused again, the reference was to EV adoption, which will contribute to the energy crisis.

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12 hours ago, notsonice said:

I don't know of other countries that export much electricity. ???

Sweden exports 15 percent of their electricity production today. 

Sweden imports around 350,000 barrels of oil (for all purposes including cars trucks an buses) and by switching to EVs is working to reduce it to less than 100,000 barrels a day. Sweden has no nat gas reserves or oil reserves. Do they even use nat gas in Sweden?? .... all houses use electric baseboard heaters , heat pumps or they heat with wood in rural areas.

 

Sweden is moving forward with more massive wind projects and will be exporting much more with using their hydropower as essentially they backup power as needed.

 

 

Electricity in Sweden (TWh)

note the negative sign for import means export

Year	Use	Produce	Import*	Hydro
2017	141.2	160.2	−19.0	64.6
2018	141	158	−17	61
2019	138.3	164.4	−26.2	64.6

 

There is power transmission through HVDC to Poland via the SwePol-link, to Lithuania using the NordBalt-link, to Germany via the Baltic Cable, the Fenno–Skan to Finland and a connection to Denmark by the Konti-Skan-line. There are also conventional AC connections to Denmark, Norway and Finland.

Luxcara and GE Renewable Energy to deliver 753MW wind capacity to Sweden

Luxcara and GE Renewable Energy have announced an agreement to deliver 753MW of onshore wind capacity with the à–nusberget wind farm in northern Sweden.

According to the Luxcara press statement, the project will be the largest single onshore wind farm in Europe and GE’s largest onshore wind farm contract outside of the US. Luxcara has already started infrastructure work, and GE will begin installing turbines as early as July of this year.

GE Renewable Energy will supply 137 of its Cypress 5.5MW turbines, a powerful turbine with a 158-meter rotor, ideally suited for the project site’s wind speeds and climate. The turbine blades will be equipped with an innovative ice mitigation system, ensuring a stable level of availability and reduced downtime. The parties also agreed on a 25-year full-turbine maintenance and service contract.

The project with its sub-parks Kallamossen and Djupdal will produce enough power to supply electricity to the equivalent of more than 200,000 Swedish households per year and will save close to 1,000,000 tons of CO2e over its lifetime.

 

Alexandra von Bernstorff, managing partner of Luxcara, comments: “We are proud to work with GE to build Europe’s largest onshore wind farm in the resource-rich north of Sweden. We were among the first to enter the Nordic wind market back in 2015 and this project re-affirms our position as the region’s largest long-term investor in the sector.”

Jérà´me Pécresse, president and CEO of GE Renewable Energy, said: “We are delighted to have been selected by Luxcara to partner to the largest ever single onshore wind farm to be built in Europe. The à–nusberget wind farm marks our continuous commitment to the Swedish onshore wind market, extends our presence in Europe and confirms the confidence of our customers in Cypress, our most powerful onshore wind platform.”

 

So there is no energy crisis in Europe? The high price increases are just an illusion? There is some international conspiracy, then, to create false data about an energy crisis?

Edited October 3, 2021 by Ecocharger

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2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

So there is no energy crisis in Europe? The high price increases are just an illusion? There is some international conspiracy, then, to create false data about an energy crisis?

We are seeing the true cost of fossil fuels. The market has decided they are bad investments. Now we will move away from them faster than ever.

Edited October 3, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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19 hours ago, ronwagn said:

I am wondering if graphene or similar strong fabrics and aluminum or other materials might be used someday?

Graphene is being tested here. ttps://www.wtamu.edu/research/facilities/wt-ul-advanced-wind-turbine-test-facility.html

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10 hours ago, wrs said:

The ice storm was on the 12th here in Austin and I believe either earlier that day or the day before out West.  We lost power for 30 hours due to ice but didn't lose it during the enforced blackout.  Our NG service was fine the whole time or we would have frozen.  I now have a NG generator hooked up which has already had to kick on twice since being fired up in August.  I think NG is going to be the most reliable utility.  

 

 

What NERC is saying is that 60% of NG generation had already several  failure to perform incidents BEFORE 2359 hours on the 14th. Some units had multiple failures to start. Several had failed the previous week. I   hope you have that wired so it cannot backfeed into the grid. The Railroad Commission Rules will keep the gas on until there is no gas left in the pipeline.  We had that problem back in 1973.

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

We are seeing the true cost of fossil fuels. The market has decided they are bad investments. Now we will move away from them faster than ever.

Biden & Co. are convinced that there is an energy crisis, begging the Saudis to increase oil production. German companies are running out of coal and begging for more. That sounds like an energy crisis to me.

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Just now, Ecocharger said:

Biden & Co. are convinced that there is an energy crisis, begging the Saudis to increase oil production. German companies are running out of coal and begging for more. That sounds like an energy crisis to me.

Relying on fossil fuels is indeed a crisis. We need to replace them with renewables ASAP.

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11 minutes ago, nsdp said:

What NERC is saying is that 60% of NG generation had already several  failure to perform incidents BEFORE 2359 hours on the 14th. Some units had multiple failures to start. Several had failed the previous week. I   hope you have that wired so it cannot backfeed into the grid. The Railroad Commission Rules will keep the gas on until there is no gas left in the pipeline.  We had that problem back in 1973.

The NG system was a backup system, used for emergencies. When the renewables failed, electricity was cut off to the NG backup system, ensuring general catastrophe. The NG system actually did dramatically increase its generator output, but failed when the power to them was cut off.

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2 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Relying on fossil fuels is indeed a crisis. We need to replace them with renewables ASAP.

Won't happen, Jay. Biden & Co. are begging for more fossil fuel production. It's easy to talk about a Green Dream transition, but it does not work.

Edited October 3, 2021 by Ecocharger

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18 hours ago, turbguy said:

Try Canada...

(probably Hydro Quebec)

 

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Add BCHydro who has a summer /winter exchange program with the WECC and should be expanded to teh eastern slope of the Rockies if Alberta didn't have its head stuck so far in the tar sands. Manitoba exports to Minnesota and Wisconsin  then Ontario exports to New York at Niagara.

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9 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

The NG system actually did dramatically increase its generator output, but failed when the power to them was cut off.

Oh I can't resist this one...so you are saying the facilities making the electricity failed when the electricity that they were making inside their facility was cut off from their own use? 

Edited October 3, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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2 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

The NG system was a backup system, used for emergencies. When the renewables failed, electricity was cut off to the NG backup system, ensuring general catastrophe. The NG system actually did dramatically increase its generator output, but failed when the power to them was cut off.

You don't know what the hell you were talking about. The week of the 7th-14th was not emergency and these were scheduled grid supply according to OATI.  If you were  qualified dispatcher insteadd of a bullsshit artist you would have access to https://www.oati.com/Solutions/Transmission-Reliability-Management/Outage-Management and how who is a liar and who is not. You are a liar.

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1 minute ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Oh I can't resist this one...so you are saying the facilities making the electricity failed when the electricity that they were making inside their facility was cut off from their own use? 

No Jay he is lying again.

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5 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Oh I can't resist this one...so you are saying the facilities making the electricity failed when the electricity that they were making inside their facility was cut off from their own use? 

There are these plant-located things called "aux transformers', or "house power" transformers, connected via a switch to either the generator's terminals or the grid.

Once a unit is firmly on-line, operators transfer internal electric usage (a.k.a, "house power") from the grid to that transformer.  That way, house power is cheaper.  Electricity to that facility cannot be "cut-off" unless the unit trips.  If it trips, house power is transferred back to the grid (if it is there).

Edited October 4, 2021 by turbguy

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11 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Oh I can't resist this one...so you are saying the facilities making the electricity failed when the electricity that they were making inside their facility was cut off from their own use? 

They were cut off. Read the report.