1 in 5 electric vehicle owners in California switched back to gas because charging their cars is a hassle, new research shows

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Here is how Europe has embraced the Green Dream, with words more than deeds.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Fuel-Sales-In-The-UK-Surge-Adding-Bullish-Note-To-Global-Oil-Outlook.html

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On 5/6/2021 at 5:15 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

The shit show is Texas' unweatherized natural gas and insufficient import capacity because they are too special for that. Then they called another warning in April. Now there are warnings of more possible blackouts this summer...

California rolling blackouts lasted less than two hours and affected less than 10% of the population. Amidst our huge transition we had a minor shortage under extreme conditions. It has already been fixed. We won't have any rolling blackouts this summer.

"As noted earlier, CAISO called two successive 500 MW blocks of controlled load shed on August 14 for a total of one hour and one 500 MW block of controlled load shed on August 15 for 20 minutes."

http://www.caiso.com/Documents/Final-Root-Cause-Analysis-Mid-August-2020-Extreme-Heat-Wave.pdf

I believe that the decrease in California's population might also be a contributor to "demand management" to avoid load shedding during times of grid stress.

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4 hours ago, turbguy said:

I believe that the decrease in California's population might also be a contributor to "demand management" to avoid load shedding during times of grid stress.

We sent those 182K people to Texas to over stress their grid. 

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18 hours ago, ronwagn said:

They think they are Woke, but are really under mass hypnosis. Maybe waking up to reality soon though. 

Or all staring in the Walking Dead as extras….

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On 5/5/2021 at 10:47 PM, turbguy said:

"Super fast charging" will require both high voltage AND extremely high currents.

A typical human would not be able to handle the size and mass of the required "plug", much less the liquid-cooled "cord".

If any defect occurs in the connection, stand back!

It is possible to increase the number of "plugs" and "cords" to reduce charging time.

"Battery swapping" could be the ultimate answer.  Particularly if they can get the battery down to the size of, say, a soda can.

 

Not sure if it is right on all conditions but .....

1. fast charging might be able to be done with a change of surface area of a charger........

it could take ages to charge a phone with malfunction contact point of two, on a wide surface charger, but it would speed up to one third or fourth of the time, with proper, tight contact points and large surface charger.

 

2. series of charging points might reduce the efficiency of charging per gadget.

from an observation, simultaneous charging of laptop and phone would cause the gadget at the further edge be charged at a tortoise speed........ It also prolonged the charging time of the other gadget in a row...

 

3. resistance of electricity conduction and efficiency of transmission might be affected by

a) ambient temperature - hot temperature increases resistance

it might take longer to charge on hot temperature than cooler temperature on the same location

b) impurity

impurity increases resistance by heating up gadget, charger etc faster than purer compounds

c) etc ( end of thinking capacity)

 

 

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On 5/6/2021 at 11:18 AM, Dan Clemmensen said:

I don't understand your argument. Who are the "they", and how does pushing EVs help finance the infrastructure? The infrastructure for EVs consists of home charging stations, workplace charging stations, long-trip charging stations, and added electrical generation and storage. The first three categories are  not currently paid for by the government and do not need to be, as demonstrated by Tesla. added generation and storage can be built by existing electricity providers. Additional electricity distribution infrastructure is mostly not needed, since the overwhelming majority of EV energy is consumed during off-peak.

Yes, jobs will be lost. That's because an EV is a much simpler machine than an ICE, so the amount of labor is much less. by 2025, an EV will cost less than an ICE. During any major technological transition, there are winners and losers. This has been true since before the beginning of civilization, and has been glaringly obvious since the beginning of the industrial revolution. While the supply chain is perhaps the most obvious loser, there are far more people in the fuel distribution and service segments. Whoever "they" are, "they" need to be thinking about a whole lot of job transitions. This is on top of the (relatively tiny number) of coal miners and coal plant operators, and oil industry workers.

Complete Bullshit, They is every liberal, Federal, State and Local agencies! The few want to dictate to the mass! You live in a fantasy world! Wake the fuck up and Look Up, Look Down, Look Left, Look Right, Look In, Look Out! This is going to another Solendra on a MASSIVE SCALE..

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40 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

Complete Bullshit, They is every liberal, Federal, State and Local agencies! The few want to dictate to the mass! You live in a fantasy world! Wake the fuck up and Look Up, Look Down, Look Left, Look Right, Look In, Look Out! This is going to another Solendra on a MASSIVE SCALE..

What if it ends up like Tesla instead? https://www.wired.com/2009/06/tesla-loan/

Or the oil and gas or nuclear, or coal industries? https://cen.acs.org/articles/89/i51/Long-History-US-Energy-Subsidies.html

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On 5/6/2021 at 9:20 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

WattEV to Build Megawatt E-Truck Stop In Bakersfield, California

The company announced that it will build the nation’s first ‘Megawatt E-Truck Stop’ electric-only public truck stop in Bakersfield to serve electric truck transport between California’s fast-growing Central Valley and Southern California’s bustling ports and shipping hubs.

Initially, the site will have installed capacity of 4 MW, eventually growing to 25 MW (with 40 charging bays). Simple math (25 MW/40 stalls) indicates that the average power output to be 625 kW.

https://insideevs.com/news/505837/wattev-megawatt-etruck-stop-charging/

That is a really nice rendering of a future charging site.  40 trucks can be charged a one time.  That's not a small deal.  But how long does each truck sit idled as it charges and how many trucks run into and out of Bakersfield every day?   Thinking you'll need dozens if not hundreds of these sites in a town the size of Bakersfield; 383,000.  How many of these E Truck stops are needed for LA, SF, SD and where is the real estate for these sites??    

 

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21 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

We sent those 182K people to Texas to over stress their grid. 

Love it .... California SENT.  No No NO Jay   These people CHOSE to leave.  Got any ideas why?

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1 hour ago, surrept33 said:

What if it ends up like Tesla instead? https://www.wired.com/2009/06/tesla-loan/

Or the oil and gas or nuclear, or coal industries? https://cen.acs.org/articles/89/i51/Long-History-US-Energy-Subsidies.html

So The current Administration of fucking idiots have so much confidence in EV and Green solar and wind that they just announced a plan to subsidize the building of Nuclear Power Plants! LMFAO….

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On 5/6/2021 at 7:15 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

The shit show is Texas' unweatherized natural gas and insufficient import capacity because they are too special for that. Then they called another warning in April. Now there are warnings of more possible blackouts this summer...

California rolling blackouts lasted less than two hours and affected less than 10% of the population. Amidst our huge transition we had a minor shortage under extreme conditions. It has already been fixed. We won't have any rolling blackouts this summer.

"As noted earlier, CAISO called two successive 500 MW blocks of controlled load shed on August 14 for a total of one hour and one 500 MW block of controlled load shed on August 15 for 20 minutes."

http://www.caiso.com/Documents/Final-Root-Cause-Analysis-Mid-August-2020-Extreme-Heat-Wave.pdf

Keep drinking the Kool Aid……Maybe add some Alcohol…..

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3 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

Keep drinking the Kool Aid……Maybe add some Alcohol…..

If California's population continues to fall, that will be a contributor to reduced need for load shedding during grid "distress".

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To bad the fault lines in CA don’t hit and drop most of it back in the ocean! Now that would be a green solution 😂

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8 hours ago, Bob D said:

That is a really nice rendering of a future charging site.  40 trucks can be charged a one time.  That's not a small deal.  But how long does each truck sit idled as it charges and how many trucks run into and out of Bakersfield every day?   Thinking you'll need dozens if not hundreds of these sites in a town the size of Bakersfield; 383,000.  How many of these E Truck stops are needed for LA, SF, SD and where is the real estate for these sites??    

 

We are at the beginning of a 20 year R&D effort. The diesel truck bans don't start until 2045. This charging facility is just one of the very first steps and does not reflect where we will be with a solution in 20 years. In Los Angeles we are adding 800 electric trucks and charging infrastructure  for them this year. 

For its part, Southern California Edison is working with 70 different sites to build infrastructure that can help recharge more than 1,000 heavy- and medium-duty electric vehicles. It has so far completed construction on 10 sites, capable of supporting 100 vehicles, according to Justin Bardin, manager of the utility’s Charge Ready Transport program

https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west/environment/2021/01/21/california-launches-project-800-to-get-hundreds-of-electric-semis-on-the-road-in-2021

Edited May 11, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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17 hours ago, specinho said:

Not sure if it is right on all conditions but .....

 

1. fast charging might be able to be done with a change of surface area of a charger........

it could take ages to charge a phone with malfunction contact point of two, on a wide surface charger, but it would speed up to one third or fourth of the time, with proper, tight contact points and large surface charger.

 

2. series of charging points might reduce the efficiency of charging per gadget.

from an observation, simultaneous charging of laptop and phone would cause the gadget at the further edge be charged at a tortoise speed........ It also prolonged the charging time of the other gadget in a row...

 

3. resistance of electricity conduction and efficiency of transmission might be affected by

a) ambient temperature - hot temperature increases resistance

it might take longer to charge on hot temperature than cooler temperature on the same location

b) impurity

impurity increases resistance by heating up gadget, charger etc faster than purer compounds

c) etc ( end of thinking capacity)

 

 

Sorry, no. even if everything else in the charging system is perfect, (infinite power, zero resistance) the nature of electrochemical reactions in Li-ion battery cell constrains the rate at which it can be charged. If you charge it any faster, it overheats and explodes, or grows dendrites and shorts out. If your system can intelligently charge a whole bunch of cells in parallel, then you can draw a very large amount of aggregate power, but you cannot increase the power to an individual cell.

 

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On 5/9/2021 at 7:29 AM, Ecocharger said:

Here is how Europe has embraced the Green Dream, with words more than deeds.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Fuel-Sales-In-The-UK-Surge-Adding-Bullish-Note-To-Global-Oil-Outlook.html

I'm no Greenie but drive a hybrid car purely for financial reasons as I have a company car and save a fortune in tax if I drive a hybrid or all electric vehicle. The link below shows the increase in market share in the UK, mainly I believe for this tax incentive.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/299031/fuel-types-of-new-cars-registered-in-the-united-kingdom/

EV market share is only going one way, and that's rapidly up.

The UK has agreed to be carbon neutral by 2050 and has the largest offshore wind farm in the world at 1.2GW at Hornsea off the east coast of the UK. Hornsea is set to develop to be be 6GW over the next few years and phase 2 is under construction and will be an additional 1.4GW.

This is combined with other offshore wind farms and it is slated that to achieve carbon neutrality by 2050 the UK will require 40GW of offshore wind which is an incredible number and one I don't believe will be achieved.

Coal plays a virtual non-existent role in UK power generation now and this is now mainly old nukes although new build such as Hinkley (under construction) and Sizewell and Wylfa (proposed). There are still a number of gas stations and some biomass stations and we also import power from overseas..

To say the UK has "embraced the Green Dream, with words more than deeds" is factually incorrect and misleading. There are also a plethora of solar farms (believe it or not) although their growth has slowed in recent years.

The cost of all this to the tax payer in energy costs is yet to be determined but I can assure you prices are continually rising.

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3 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

I'm no Greenie but drive a hybrid car purely for financial reasons as I have a company car and save a fortune in tax if I drive a hybrid or all electric vehicle. The link below shows the increase in market share in the UK, mainly I believe for this tax incentive.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/299031/fuel-types-of-new-cars-registered-in-the-united-kingdom/

EV market share is only going one way, and that's rapidly up.

The UK has agreed to be carbon neutral by 2050 and has the largest offshore wind farm in the world at 1.2GW at Hornsea off the east coast of the UK. Hornsea is set to develop to be be 6GW over the next few years and phase 2 is under construction and will be an additional 1.4GW.

This is combined with other offshore wind farms and it is slated that to achieve carbon neutrality by 2050 the UK will require 40GW of offshore wind which is an incredible number and one I don't believe will be achieved.

Coal plays a virtual non-existent role in UK power generation now and this is now mainly old nukes although new build such as Hinkley (under construction) and Sizewell and Wylfa (proposed). There are still a number of gas stations and some biomass stations and we also import power from overseas..

To say the UK has "embraced the Green Dream, with words more than deeds" is factually incorrect and misleading. There are also a plethora of solar farms (believe it or not) although their growth has slowed in recent years.

The cost of all this to the tax payer in energy costs is yet to be determined but I can assure you prices are continually rising.

How do you explain this huge rush of demand for oil and gas by UK and European consumers?  That seems to conflict with your analysis.

Edited May 11, 2021 by Ecocharger

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9 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

How do you explain this huge rush of demand for oil and gas by UK and European consumers?  That seems to conflict with your analysis.

Because we've been in lockdown since November!

We have finally been freed from this misery and the country is now getting back on its feet with more than half the population now vaccinated.

The article you posted says all of this, it has sod all to do with people going back to ICE vehicles and abandoning EV's. We are now allowed to travel whereas we weren't before, fairly obvious really.

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10 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

How do you explain this huge rush of demand for oil and gas by UK and European consumers?  That seems to conflict with your analysis.

Because most of the population still drive ICE and as Rob says they are finally allowed to go out and drive.

Passenger car registrations in the UK rebound from the bottom of just 4,321 in April 2020 (due to closed retail) to a more reasonable 141,583 in April 2021. The passenger plug-in electric car segment grows nicely, reaching 18,752 new registrations (up 1,177% year-over-year) and once again taking more than 13% of the total volume.

Edited May 11, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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Jay I still believe the plug in hybrids are rising so sharply because a large proportion are leased vehicles for company car drivers.

It makes zero sense financially to go with an ICE vehicle in the UK if you do have a company car. Therefore I see this dramatic increase to slow as we reach a saturation point. The other reason I think hybrids will slow down is the government is starting to hike up the tax on these also again pushing the consumer to go all electric not hybrid.

The EV revolution is here to stay as long as the government impose these exaggerated tax hikes on ICE vehicles, we simply don't have a choice these days. I still don't want to drive all electric so I'm paying more tax to have what I consider the best of both worlds from a purely selfish perspective.