Should the US government be on the hook for $15 billion?

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45 minutes ago, -trance said:

Yet you hate socialists who care about them the most.

Odd.

 

It was Obama himself who eviscerated the middle class, Obama care was the last straw.

 

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5 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

It was Trump who cut the taxes on the corporations and the wealthy.

That brought us a healthy economy with very little inflation. Trump made us energy independent, Biden is greatly raising the price of gasoline and subsidizing electric cars and wind turbines while canceling pipelines and adding regulations. Trump insisted on eliminating two regulations for every new one. Inflation destroys the nation like Jimmy Carter did then stagflation hit. We are headed the same way under Biden. 

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14 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

That brought us a healthy economy with very little inflation.

You honestly believe that line?

 

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6 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

That brought us a healthy economy with very little inflation. Trump made us energy independent, Biden is greatly raising the price of gasoline and subsidizing electric cars and wind turbines while canceling pipelines and adding regulations. Trump insisted on eliminating two regulations for every new one. Inflation destroys the nation like Jimmy Carter did then stagflation hit. We are headed the same way under Biden. 

A healthy economy with record levels of homelessness, yeah that sounds right.

You just can't wrap your head around the fact that renewable energy is not imported.

Yeah Trump eliminated regulations on pollution and destruction of the environment. 

No we are not headed toward inflation or stagflation. Current increased prices are due to sudden increase in demand while supply is still suffering from Covid issues. How can we know this right now? After spiking to all time highs the price of lumber is back to below its 2017 high. Give it a few more months and it will be back to 2019 levels (if Covid doesn't mess it up). Other commodities will soon follow.

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On 7/27/2021 at 2:03 AM, Ecocharger said:

Those injunctions were for more consultation, they did not affect long-term approvals. Pipeline projects with tribal consultations always get worked out, I asked you to show me one which failed...you come back with nothing, as I expected.

If you read the actual court orders instead of pretending, you would know to go to PACER.  Court hearings are not consultations and no negotiations have occurred with the Montana tribes as shown in the evidence presented by DOJ.  Nebraska doesn't count as that is the wrong state  and wrong Circuit Court. The President, Vice President  Secretary of State. or Special Minister for Tribal Affairs are the identified persons who have that authority to Negotiate. Tell me when a confirmed Ambassador or confirmed Special Minister has been to the Ft. Belknap reservation to BEGIN negotiations.

I didn't respond because i assumed you had  a minimum level of intelligence so as  to go read the court order.  Boy did I over estimate your intelligence.

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1 hour ago, ronwagn said:

That brought us a healthy economy with very little inflation. Trump made us energy independent, Biden is greatly raising the price of gasoline and subsidizing electric cars and wind turbines while canceling pipelines and adding regulations. Trump insisted on eliminating two regulations for every new one. Inflation destroys the nation like Jimmy Carter did then stagflation hit. We are headed the same way under Biden. 

Stagflation began under Nixon. I have one of President Ford's WIN buttons(Whip Inflation Now) you can proudly wear over your heart. WE began wage price (and pay raise) controls in 1971.

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6 hours ago, -trance said:

Yet you hate socialists who care about them the most.

Odd.

 

Yeah, you thieving parasites bring in illegal low wage workers by the million to drive down wages for the middle class, cheer for billionaire class censorship to squash complaints about it, mismanage inner cities until they're cesspools and let malcontents burn it to the ground.  

I don't hate anyone. I just think socialists are morons who are good people at heart. 

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7 hours ago, turbguy said:

It's all backed by confidence.

And only confidence.

IIRC, a balance sheet  has three parts:

Liabilities, Equity, and Assets

Just how much in assets does the USA have?

Just the naming rights to Yellowstone National Park alone, would be worth millions...

 

That did not stop the inflationary attempts to monetize American debt in the sixties and seventies...read up on American economic history, friend.

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7 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The peak of disposable income was actually in 2018 and then started falling off fast. It was a one time boost mainly due to tax breaks forr the wealthy. The saddest part is that you guys all wish we could go back to the 1950s, yet that was the period of the highest marginal and corporate tax rates in our history.

Tell it to politifact. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/aug/22/ivanka-trump/ivanka-trump-mostly-accurate-disposable-income-has/

Your little communism chart isn't showing what you think it is. The 2020 drop is from small businesses being crushed by draconian lockdowns that produce the exact opposite outcome than what the government hopes for. Of course employee share of corporate income dropped after spiking before the Fauci-demic. 

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2 hours ago, nsdp said:

If you read the actual court orders instead of pretending, you would know to go to PACER.  Court hearings are not consultations and no negotiations have occurred with the Montana tribes as shown in the evidence presented by DOJ.  Nebraska doesn't count as that is the wrong state  and wrong Circuit Court. The President, Vice President  Secretary of State. or Special Minister for Tribal Affairs are the identified persons who have that authority to Negotiate. Tell me when a confirmed Ambassador or confirmed Special Minister has been to the Ft. Belknap reservation to BEGIN negotiations.

I didn't respond because i assumed you had  a minimum level of intelligence so as  to go read the court order.  Boy did I over estimate your intelligence.

Again, why should Keystone invest in extended negotiations for tribal ROW, negotiations which always work out and get approval, if the Presidential Permit is being revoked? That is bumbleheaded business strategy, and no thinking business would do a crazy thing like that. When did you get your economics degree? 

Edited July 29, 2021 by Ecocharger

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20 hours ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

Not sure this applies here, but I couldn't find the thread where someone predicted that this would be permanent:

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Senators-Accuse-Interior-Dept-Of-Deliberately-Delaying-Restart-Of-Oil-Leasing.html

 

That someone was me. I feel like Cassandra, but these eejits don't have enough classical edumacation to know who that is. 

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11 hours ago, nsdp said:

Stagflation began under Nixon. I have one of President Ford's WIN buttons(Whip Inflation Now) you can proudly wear over your heart. WE began wage price (and pay raise) controls in 1971.

Why? Oh right, because Nixon and Kissinger ditched the Bretton Woods agreement and we were off the gold standard. Guaranteed inflation. If you were intelligent you'd know this. 

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12 hours ago, nsdp said:

Stagflation began under Nixon. I have one of President Ford's WIN buttons(Whip Inflation Now) you can proudly wear over your heart. WE began wage price (and pay raise) controls in 1971.

Actually, monetization began in the late sixties under Johnson to help to pay for the Vietnam War with depreciated dollars. It was the fierce deficits caused by the war that started the desperate attempt to print money and with an economy already near full employment the result was persistent inflation. That was fine for the administration, because they could pay down federal debt with cheap dollars. The whole scheme continued through the seventies, and became the standard, so that poor Jimmy Carter was truly confused, thinking that American greed somehow caused inflation. That tells you how misguided the economic advice was that Carter received.

Edited July 29, 2021 by Ecocharger

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19 hours ago, turbguy said:

Just the naming rights to Yellowstone National Park alone, would be worth millions...

 

Millions when trillions are being squandered

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12 hours ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

Tell it to politifact. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/aug/22/ivanka-trump/ivanka-trump-mostly-accurate-disposable-income-has/

Your little communism chart isn't showing what you think it is. The 2020 drop is from small businesses being crushed by draconian lockdowns that produce the exact opposite outcome than what the government hopes for. Of course employee share of corporate income dropped after spiking before the Fauci-demic. 

The Politiifact article says what I said

"Mathematically, the number is accurate, but it’s worth noting some context she left out. The $5,205 figure is an average, so it is likely skewed by large gains among wealthier Americans."

The employee share of corporate income has been down for 20 years! But then I don't expect you to be able to read a graph.

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2 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The Politiifact article says what I said

"Mathematically, the number is accurate, but it’s worth noting some context she left out. The $5,205 figure is an average, so it is likely skewed by large gains among wealthier Americans."

The employee share of corporate income has been down for 20 years! But then I don't expect you to be able to read a graph.

Look at the timeline of your graph you donkey. Share increased dramatically, before dropping. You're an idiot. 

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2 minutes ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

Look at the timeline of your graph you donkey. Share increased dramatically, before dropping. You're an idiot. 

Share spiked because of the pandemic just like it does at the peak of every recession as clearly shown by the graph. The spike was still lower than the 80's and 90's. 

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4 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Millions when trillions are being squandered

How much do you think Yellowstone would be worth if for sale?  It's an asset.

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1 hour ago, turbguy said:

How much do you think Yellowstone would be worth if for sale?  It's an asset.

How could they sell it without a revolt?

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2 hours ago, turbguy said:

How much do you think Yellowstone would be worth if for sale?  It's an asset.

I have a friend who owns a share of the Yellowstone Club. Not a house The whole thing. Its value, as an investment comes from that national park nearby. You're not going to see that sold voluntarily, but who knows once Xiden gets his tyranny on? Might sell it to China for a dollar (plus other private considerations). No way America gets any value from that transaction. 

You're backing the wrong horse 

 

Edited July 30, 2021 by Ward Smith

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9 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

I had a friend who owns a share of the Yellowstone Club. Not a house The whole thing.

Wards "achievements" are always about someone he knew, or his dad, or some company he ran into the ground.

Tell us about the hand be down EV you drive from your brother and your wife and kids who ignore you.

"Man of the house" hates vaccines but the rest of family takes them... probably the kids real dad is fondly remembered by mom.

Edited July 30, 2021 by -trance

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12 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

 

 

 

More "independent thought" from Ward.

 

Edited July 30, 2021 by -trance

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51 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

I have a friend who owns a share of the Yellowstone Club. Not a house The whole thing. Its value, as an investment comes from that national park nearby. You're not going to see that sold voluntarily, but who knows once Xiden gets his tyranny on? Might sell it to China for a dollar (plus other private considerations). No way America gets any value from that transaction.

I'd offer a dollar more.

You didn't answer the question, but responding with a neighboring place with listings of 25 million dollar condos that can't be accessed in the winter without calling property management well in advance.

Just how much IS Yellowstone NP worth??

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10 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Actually, monetization began in the late sixties under Johnson to help to pay for the Vietnam War with depreciated dollars. It was the fierce deficits caused by the war that started the desperate attempt to print money and with an economy already near full employment the result was persistent inflation. That was fine for the administration, because they could pay down federal debt with cheap dollars. The whole scheme continued through the seventies, and became the standard, so that poor Jimmy Carter was truly confused, thinking that American greed somehow caused inflation. That tells you how misguided the economic advice was that Carter received.

The 10% surcharge on individual and corporate income tax paid for the cost of the war. That is why LBJ was the last President to run a "planned"budget surplus. Clinton had an accidental one.

Damn you are dumb. "This is the day many budget experts thought might never come. The fiscal year that ends tonight at midnight is the first since 1969 -- the year Neil Armstrong walked on the moon and 400,000 rock fans spent a weekend at Woodstock -- that the nation has recorded a federal budget surplus." https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/budget/stories/surplus093098.htm

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20 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Again, why should Keystone invest in extended negotiations for tribal ROW, negotiations which always work out and get approval, if the Presidential Permit is being revoked? That is bumbleheaded business strategy, and no thinking business would do a crazy thing like that. When did you get your economics degree? 

without the initial negotiations which were never done by the Great White Father  there is no right of eminent domain.  Try to get a ROW across Dine lands without it.  That is why the SantaFe RR has a big S curve in their Chicago to LA mainline and why Exxon does not have a line from the Jicarilla Apache reservation  near Chama to Page AZ.