Stephen + 67 SM December 19, 2017 Looks like this administration is taking us few decades behind. Who wants to evolve and save our planet. Especially when living in air pollution, smog, and air quality so bad that we have to wear mask like they do in China and India now is so in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joanna + 68 JT December 19, 2017 (edited) As long as the 50,000 American coal miners get to keep their jobs and few hundred are making millions, breathing is overrated Edited December 19, 2017 by Joanna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen + 67 SM December 19, 2017 The Clean Air Act and the Clean Water act remain unchanged. Both are legislated, standing law. Had President Obama pushed to legislate and sign into law the Clean Power Plan the current initiative would have been much less likely to occur. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meanwhile + 49 PT December 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Stephen said: The Clean Air Act and the Clean Water act remain unchanged. Both are legislated, standing law. Had President Obama pushed to legislate and sign into law the Clean Power Plan the current initiative would have been much less likely to occur. When congress is bought by oil companies and other special interests that oppose pollution progress, it makes it a little hard to go through the legislative process to do the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnAtronis + 78 JA December 19, 2017 (edited) Just now, Meanwhile said: When congress is bought by oil companies and other special interests that oppose pollution progress, it makes it a little hard to go through the legislative process to do the right thing. Obama was an idealist who was trying to convert the US into a copy of the West European Socialist economies. The citizens of the US were not prepared to go there and resisted as best they could. Edited December 19, 2017 by JohnAtronis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joanna + 68 JT December 19, 2017 Nothing that the Obama EPA adopted had a benefit/cost ratio of more than 1.0. Every one of those regulations were all pain and no gain. It was without doubt the worst 8 years of EPA over regulation in history. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnAtronis + 78 JA December 19, 2017 Trump should be presented with the fact that climate-change disasters cost U.S. more than $200 billion this year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen + 67 SM December 19, 2017 I have no favor in either President Obama or Trump, just stating the fact that US levels of pollution cannot go backwards as you demagogue above. Obama could have done more to secure the legacy of clean power but, decided doing so was easier without legislative permanence of law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joanna + 68 JT December 19, 2017 Funny thing is that EPA is calling for public opinion this asking the public to submit ideas for what such a replacement rule would look like. This shouldn’t be open for public. Trump is relying on his supporters to vote on this? Only then he would be able to change it. Why didn’t they ask scientists about the opinion who all agree that would be terrible idea. Quite a few of them left EPA because they were overruled by Trump’s “experts” there who are not concerned about climate changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meanwhile + 49 PT December 19, 2017 Just now, Joanna said: Funny thing is that EPA is calling for public opinion this asking the public to submit ideas for what such a replacement rule would look like. This shouldn’t be open for public. Trump is relying on his supporters to vote on this? Only then he would be able to change it. Why didn’t they ask scientists about the opinion who all agree that would be terrible idea. Quite a few of them left EPA because they were overruled by Trump’s “experts” there who are not concerned about climate changes. and that the Earth is flat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen + 67 SM December 19, 2017 The next president will just put ruled into the place. Easy as that. Trump is only buying time while in office. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnAtronis + 78 JA December 19, 2017 By the way, did you know a solar plane made a trip around the world without refueling? I doubt the inventor was a climate change denier. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meanwhile + 49 PT December 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, Stephen said: Looks like this administration is taking us few decades behind. Who wants to evolve and save our planet. Especially when living in air pollution, smog, and air quality so bad that we have to wear mask like they do in China and India now is so in. But what do you expect when the president claims global warming is a Chinese conspiracy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen + 67 SM December 19, 2017 It's like dental hygienists talking brain surgery. Run the parks and national forests. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnAtronis + 78 JA December 19, 2017 Climate policies will continue to shape the global energy system. U.S. leadership is indispensable to countering an anti-growth energy agenda that is detrimental to U.S. economic and energy security interests. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites