Withdrawl of American troops from Iraq and its direct impact on crude oil supply

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With the withdrawal of the American forces, the US appears to sending two messages to those who rely on the former: the primary one being that it had enough of 'thankless' returns that it gets for the sacrifices it makes; the secondary is for those who has the main goal – the only goal in many respects - of investing in the troubled regions at the expense of American lives, military costs and responsibility on multiple fronts, including that of moral.

Both Afghanistan and Iraq now have to prove themselves of being capable of handling the security on their own without foreign troops, an aspiration remains to be testes on the ground.

The situation, especially in Iraq, is a serious concern for the crude oil supply for many reasons.

More on that is here:

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What will happen is what we all know will happen for the last 15 years.  By Destroying Iraqi Sunni power structure and not taking out Iran's power structure, you will achieve an Iranian backed(at best) if not outright subsummed into Iran proper of the entire Shia Iraqi population which, oh by the way, contains 85% of the population and 90%? of the Iraqi oil reserves and active wells.  The Kurd region, if they cannot have their own state(and they won't as neither Iran nor Turkey want this), will more than willing jump to Iran's side rather than being subsummed by the Turkish.

What this means for oil... It means Iran is the BIGGEST player in the oil business going forward.  You had better get on Iran's good side which means pissing off the USA and cozying up to China which just made a deal to effectively buy Iran or.... You had better start patrolling the Gulf to protect Saudi/Kuwaiti/Qatari/UAE oil, because it means we are looking at a true 2 sided war for domination in OPEC with Russia(borders with Iran/close enough) playing peace maker for the next several decades.  USA has decided to get out of anything not on the Arabian penninsula, and even that is well...... 

EDIT: Kuwait is the wild card.  Will Iran subsume Iraq and Kuwait?  What outside powers will stop this?  Not the USA anytime soon.  Maybe Iran only subsumes lower Iraq--> where food comes from as both have exploding populations... Of course the water... comes from Turkey who also has an exploding population and hates the Kurds.  Kurds exist in Iran.  Maybe Iran actually becomes diplomatic and gives Kurds a homeland by also cutting off part of Iran when they gobble up Iraq.  The amount of goodwill this would create and put them 100% on Iran's side against Turkey who has no oil and you know DAMNED well is eyeing Mosul/Irbil and completely tying up all the water rights to Iraq effectively making any move Iran wants INTO Iraq, impossible. 

Also we know damned well Turkey 2 years ago was a hairs breath away from taking all of North Eastern Syria and all the food grown there.  Had very little to do with oil.  Why?  It is the only region in the region which grows food and Turkey owns the other half and Turkey ALSO has an exploding population.  Why ISIS holding this region was a problem to begin with.  Had nothing to do with oil.  You have to eat before you can play with oil.

Edited July 28, 2021 by footeab@yahoo.com

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Yep, U.S. Blood and Trillions spent and since Vietnam we walk away! Time to put the B-2 to use and level anything of value China, Russia or Iran is going to take….

Nation building is for suckers, We rebuilt the entire world after WW2 and we have been given the Big Fuck You by allies and enemies….

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4 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

Nation building is for suckers, We rebuilt the entire world after WW2 and we have been given the Big Fuck You by allies and enemies….

We rebuilt after WW2 for our own interests, otherwise a much greater portion of countries likely would have gone communist. The US did get a great deal of goodwill from many countries around the world after WW2 and still does to this day compared to how most countries view each other. We have military installations in something like 180 countries, that alone shows an immense amount of trust and esteem by the host nations.

As for gratitude, rarely seen individuals show much gratitude when I've done them favors, many just start expecting more. Don't see why entire countries would be different.

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13 minutes ago, Strangelovesurfing said:

We rebuilt after WW2 for our own interests, otherwise a much greater portion of countries likely would have gone communist. The US did get a great deal of goodwill from many countries around the world after WW2 and still does to this day compared to how most countries view each other. We have military installations in something like 180 countries, that alone shows an immense amount of trust and esteem by the host nations.

As for gratitude, rarely seen individuals show much gratitude when I've done them favors, many just start expecting more. Don't see why entire countries would be different.

Patton had it right, We had the military there we should have taken out Soviet’s then, How many Trillions would that would have saved, By the way those 180 host countries get PAID for us to be there…

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48 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

Patton had it right, We had the military there we should have taken out Soviet’s then, How many Trillions would that would have saved, By the way those 180 host countries get PAID for us to be there…

Yes, often we end up footing the bill. Still it's exceptionaly rare in world history for any nation/country/empire to willingly allow another country to have military installations on their territory. It's totally unheard of for any major power to have well established, working, military/security relationships with most countries on the planet.

Even crazier is it's a willing relationship on all sides, give that up at our peril.

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41 minutes ago, Strangelovesurfing said:

Yes, often we end up footing the bill. Still it's exceptionaly rare in world history for any nation/country/empire to willingly allow another country to have military installations on their territory. It's totally unheard of for any major power to have well established, working, military/security relationships with most countries on the planet.

Even crazier is it's a willing relationship on all sides, give that up at our peril.

They will do anything in there own best interest! 

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3 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

Yep, U.S. Blood and Trillions spent and since Vietnam we walk away! Time to put the B-2 to use and level anything of value China, Russia or Iran is going to take….

Nation building is for suckers, We rebuilt the entire world after WW2 and we have been given the Big Fuck You by allies and enemies….

You can't expect other countries to give thanks for the Bretton Woods agreement that allowed the entire free world to advance to unforeseen heights, when western nation's citizens are now trying to tear down their very own historic national pride with media, academia and bureaucracy cheering it on. 

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3 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

Patton had it right, We had the military there we should have taken out Soviet’s then, How many Trillions would that would have saved, By the way those 180 host countries get PAID for us to be there…

Patton was an idiot. We didn't have the logistics to get past the Elbe River. His crossing of  the Elbe  by the 2nd armored div was shoved back.  Except when German units surrendered to avoid capture by Russians, the US Army never made a successful opposed crossing of the Elbe. 69th Inf did cross near Magdeburg and shook hands and partied with the Russians. 1st Canadian Army was the only western army to make a successful  opposed crossing of the Elbe. That was done to keep the Russians from occupying Denmark.

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2 hours ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

You can't expect other countries to give thanks for the Bretton Woods agreement that allowed the entire free world to advance to unforeseen heights, when western nation's citizens are now trying to tear down their very own historic national pride with media, academia and bureaucracy cheering it on. 

Here we have a massive disconnect with reality.  Bretton woods was with DEMOCRATIC(semi as well) countries and BARRED, dictatorships etc from participation.  All that was THROWN out with the WTO and a couple other blunders allowing dictators the world over to participate.  This is where it went wrong. This new aspect(1990 to present) is also what everyone is trying to tear down and I say, GOOD. 

Unfortunately, reverting back to original system never happens and it also requires morals which the Democracies in power currently do not have by the ruling parties in power.  Greed stand in the way.  Only reason Bretton woods worked last time was because the USA owned nearly 100% of the worlds gold and USSR was looming.... There is no overburdening threat currently in the minds of those in power.  In fact those in power and lust for power see the only looming authoritarian dictatorial threat(China) as a great place and who cares about human rights, rule of law, environment is  their sentiment.

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3 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Here we have a massive disconnect with reality.  Bretton woods was with DEMOCRATIC(semi as well) countries and BARRED, dictatorships etc from participation.  All that was THROWN out with the WTO and a couple other blunders allowing dictators the world over to participate.  This is where it went wrong. This new aspect(1990 to present) is also what everyone is trying to tear down and I say, GOOD. 

Unfortunately, reverting back to original system never happens and it also requires morals which the Democracies in power currently do not have by the ruling parties in power.  Greed stand in the way.  Only reason Bretton woods worked last time was because the USA owned nearly 100% of the worlds gold and USSR was looming.... There is no overburdening threat currently in the minds of those in power.  In fact those in power and lust for power see the only looming authoritarian dictatorial threat(China) as a great place and who cares about human rights, rule of law, environment is  their sentiment.

Uh, thanks for nitpicking the point I made. The original version was still the reason for so much of the world's advancement. If you want to dispute that, go ahead. 

The UN and WTO have been awful for western democracies, as well as developing nations, and has long since outlived its original purpose. 

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10 hours ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

You can't expect other countries to give thanks for the Bretton Woods agreement that allowed the entire free world to advance to unforeseen heights, when western nation's citizens are now trying to tear down their very own historic national pride with media, academia and bureaucracy cheering it on. 

All goes back to President Roosevelt’s Liberal Agenda! Follow the roadmap forward from that clown.

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9 hours ago, nsdp said:

Patton was an idiot. We didn't have the logistics to get past the Elbe River. His crossing of  the Elbe  by the 2nd armored div was shoved back.  Except when German units surrendered to avoid capture by Russians, the US Army never made a successful opposed crossing of the Elbe. 69th Inf did cross near Magdeburg and shook hands and partied with the Russians. 1st Canadian Army was the only western army to make a successful  opposed crossing of the Elbe. That was done to keep the Russians from occupying Denmark.

Because it was set up that way just like D Day was designed to give the U.S. the hardest objectives! Your talking out you ass…

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11 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

They will do anything in there own best interest! 

Yep!! Dam straight…

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13 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

Because it was set up that way just like D Day was designed to give the U.S. the hardest objectives! Your talking out you ass…

You forget that the US also had the easiest beach;Utah 79 casualties. The 6th airborne had Pegasus Bridge  over the Orne, the one objective that could cause the whole invasion to fail. .  Troop Carrier Command of the USAir Farce scattered the 82nd and 101st all over the Cotentin.

I was RA what were you PFC?