ronwagn + 6,290 July 29, 2021 28 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said: Patrick more is fabricating a falsehood (aka lying) when he claims to be a Greenpeace founder. Patrick Moore Did Not Found Greenpeace Patrick Moore frequently portrays himself as a founder or co-founder of Greenpeace, and many news outlets have repeated this characterization. Although Mr. Moore played a significant role in Greenpeace Canada for several years, he did not found Greenpeace. Phil Cote, Irving Stowe, and Jim Bohlen founded Greenpeace in 1970. Patrick Moore applied for a berth on the Phyllis Cormack in March, 1971 after the organization had already been in existence for a year. A copy of his application letter and Greenpeace’s response are available here (PDF). Greenpeace Archive Web Archive (Greenpeace International) Enter Web Address: All 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1999 1998 1997 1996 Not in Archive The page you requested has not been archived in Archive-It. This could be for a number of reasons. Most likely the page you are requesting was outside of the crawler's scope. Try another request or click to see other pages from p3-raw.greenpeace.org. It is also possible that this site is currently being crawled and the archived pages are not yet available in the Wayback Machine. It can take up to 24 hours after a crawl has been completed for the site to appear in the Wayback Machine. Please try again after the allotted time. You can also try searching for p3-raw.greenpeace.org/international/Global/usa/binaries/2008/12/patrick-moore-s-application-le.pdf on the live web , in the global Wayback Service, or in the General Archive at the Internet Archive at www.archive.org Home | Internet Archive Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuarterCenturyVet + 312 JL July 29, 2021 4 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: By unscientific left you mean research organizations like NOAA, Smithsonian, Union of Concerned Scientists, Scripps, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc... . But of course the guy who works for oil companies and who repeatedly claims to have been a green peace founder even though thoroughly debunked is the guy who gets it right. Your obvious charlatanism and paid propaganda are easily seen through. That is why you have lost the argument. https://www.noaa.gov/education/resource-collections/ocean-coasts/ocean-acidification https://ocean.si.edu/ocean-life/invertebrates/ocean-acidification https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/co2-and-ocean-acidification https://scripps.ucsd.edu/research/climate-change-resources/faq-ocean-acidification Character assassination is not an argument. You lose the argument. Dr. Moore is an ecologist. Like Suzuki. It only takes one dissenting opinion to change the narrative. You're just worried that there is more and more dissension to the climate doom porn that you love to watch. Oh well. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 July 29, 2021 4 hours ago, ronwagn said: It, obviously meaning the Deep State. Obama is not an it. I did not write that! You put it there! How scummy can you be? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 July 29, 2021 4 hours ago, ronwagn said: It, obviously meaning the Deep State. Obama is not an it. I did not write that! You put it there! How scummy can you be? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 July 29, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, ronwagn said: Greenpeace Archive Web Archive (Greenpeace International) Enter Web Address: All 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1999 1998 1997 1996 Not in Archive The page you requested has not been archived in Archive-It. This could be for a number of reasons. Most likely the page you are requesting was outside of the crawler's scope. Try another request or click to see other pages from p3-raw.greenpeace.org. It is also possible that this site is currently being crawled and the archived pages are not yet available in the Wayback Machine. It can take up to 24 hours after a crawl has been completed for the site to appear in the Wayback Machine. Please try again after the allotted time. You can also try searching for p3-raw.greenpeace.org/international/Global/usa/binaries/2008/12/patrick-moore-s-application-le.pdf on the live web , in the global Wayback Service, or in the General Archive at the Internet Archive at www.archive.org Home | Internet Archive http://www.ask-force.org/web/Greenpeace/Laden-Who-founded-Greenpeace-Patrick-Moore-20140627.pdf Edited July 29, 2021 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 July 29, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, QuarterCenturyVet said: Character assassination is not an argument. You lose the argument. Dr. Moore is an ecologist. Like Suzuki. It only takes one dissenting opinion to change the narrative. You're just worried that there is more and more dissension to the climate doom porn that you love to watch. Oh well. He's a liar who claims to be a founder of Greenpeace who a year after the founding of Greenpeace wrote asking to join: http://www.ask-force.org/web/Greenpeace/Laden-Who-founded-Greenpeace-Patrick-Moore-20140627.pdf Edited July 29, 2021 by Jay McKinsey 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 July 29, 2021 'The funny part is how desperate you guys are getting. HaHaHa. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuarterCenturyVet + 312 JL July 29, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: He's a liar who claims to be a founder of Greenpeace who a year after the founding of Greenpeace wrote asking to join: http://www.ask-force.org/web/Greenpeace/Laden-Who-founded-Greenpeace-Patrick-Moore-20140627.pdf Yeah. More more of that leftist censorship. You're wrong again. https://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/the-birth-of-greenpeace More about Dr. Moore. https://cei.org/blog/news-media-go-along-with-greenpeaces-attempt-to-pretend-patrick-moore-not-a-founder/ Edited July 29, 2021 by QuarterCenturyVet 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 July 29, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, QuarterCenturyVet said: Yeah. More more of that leftist censorship. You're wrong again. https://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/the-birth-of-greenpeace More about Dr. Moore. https://cei.org/blog/news-media-go-along-with-greenpeaces-attempt-to-pretend-patrick-moore-not-a-founder/ Censorship? No it is called reality. The article got it wrong. The Greenpeace logo is on the letter they sent back to him accepting his request to join them on the boat. Greenpeace already existed. The archive of the Greenpeace page says: The committee's founders and first members included: • Paul Cote, a law student at the University of British Columbia • Jim Bohlen, a former deep-sea diver and radar operator in the US Navy • Irving Stowe, a Quaker and Yale-educated lawyer • Patrick Moore, ecology student at the University of British Columbia • Bill Darnell, a social worker Moore was a first member but not a founder. Edited July 29, 2021 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 July 29, 2021 15 hours ago, ronwagn said: Greenpeace Archive Web Archive (Greenpeace International) Enter Web Address: All 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1999 1998 1997 1996 Not in Archive The page you requested has not been archived in Archive-It. This could be for a number of reasons. Most likely the page you are requesting was outside of the crawler's scope. Try another request or click to see other pages from p3-raw.greenpeace.org. It is also possible that this site is currently being crawled and the archived pages are not yet available in the Wayback Machine. It can take up to 24 hours after a crawl has been completed for the site to appear in the Wayback Machine. Please try again after the allotted time. You can also try searching for p3-raw.greenpeace.org/international/Global/usa/binaries/2008/12/patrick-moore-s-application-le.pdf on the live web , in the global Wayback Service, or in the General Archive at the Internet Archive at www.archive.org Home | Internet Archive That is not what his new book says. There was another prior group that he joined before Greenpeace was founded. I have the Kindle version so cannot copy the info. In 1971 he joined the Don't Make a Wave Committee which later became Greenpeace. He was working on his PhD. at the time. Obviously he was part of the founding of Greenpeace and was the only real scientist in the group at that time. Anyone can get a free sample of his book on Amazon for their computer or tablet or phone. It directly contradicts the foundations of the man made CO2 Global Warming AKA Climate Change theory. It also explains that CO2 at higher levels is a great help to plants and agriculture. That recent increases have been very helpful. What we must fight against is REAL air pollution which is primarily particulates from burning coal. Chemicals and refuse also end up polluting waterways the oceans. That has little to do with CO2 or real air pollution. Soil is also polluted by manmade chemicals and waterways. Coal ash often ends up polluting waterways and soil also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 July 29, 2021 11 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: http://www.ask-force.org/web/Greenpeace/Laden-Who-founded-Greenpeace-Patrick-Moore-20140627.pdf Greg Laden was 13 in 1971. This is a Don't Make a Wave document. Greenpeace had not been founded yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 July 29, 2021 11 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: He's a liar who claims to be a founder of Greenpeace who a year after the founding of Greenpeace wrote asking to join: http://www.ask-force.org/web/Greenpeace/Laden-Who-founded-Greenpeace-Patrick-Moore-20140627.pdf Greenpeace was founded in 1971 by Irving Stowe and Dorothy Stowe, Canadian and US expat environmental activists. Patrick Moore's name was purposely omitted. He was one of the founders and noted as a Canadian. He was the only scientist per his own self report. He was working on a PhD. Wikipedia is not to be trusted re political issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 July 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, ronwagn said: Greg Laden was 13 in 1971. This is a Don't Make a Wave document. Greenpeace had not been founded yet. What does Greg Laden's age have to do with the price of fish? Are you really this dumb or is it an act you put on? If Greenpeace hadn't been founded then why does it say Greenpeace in the letterhead? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 July 29, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ronwagn said: Greenpeace was founded in 1971 by Irving Stowe and Dorothy Stowe, Canadian and US expat environmental activists. Patrick Moore's name was purposely omitted. He was one of the founders and noted as a Canadian. He was the only scientist per his own self report. He was working on a PhD. Wikipedia is not to be trusted re political issues. I didn't cite Wikipedia. Though I suppose you will probably just falsify my quote to include it. Edited July 29, 2021 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 July 29, 2021 6 hours ago, QuarterCenturyVet said: Yeah. More more of that leftist censorship. You're wrong again. https://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/the-birth-of-greenpeace More about Dr. Moore. https://cei.org/blog/news-media-go-along-with-greenpeaces-attempt-to-pretend-patrick-moore-not-a-founder/ The crew onboard for the initial voyage to Amchitka were: Captain John Cormack (the boat's owner), Jim Bohlen (Greenpeace), Bill Darnell (Greenpeace), Patrick Moore (Greenpeace), Dr Lyle Thurston (medical practitioner), Dave Birmingham (engineer), Terry Simmons (cultural geographer), Richard Fineberg (political science teacher), Robert Hunter (journalist), Ben Metcalfe (journalist), Bob Cummings (journalist) and Bob Keziere (photographer). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 July 29, 2021 Just now, ronwagn said: The crew onboard for the initial voyage to Amchitka were: Captain John Cormack (the boat's owner), Jim Bohlen (Greenpeace), Bill Darnell (Greenpeace), Patrick Moore (Greenpeace), Dr Lyle Thurston (medical practitioner), Dave Birmingham (engineer), Terry Simmons (cultural geographer), Richard Fineberg (political science teacher), Robert Hunter (journalist), Ben Metcalfe (journalist), Bob Cummings (journalist) and Bob Keziere (photographer). Initial crew does not a founder make. I agree that he was one of the first members, but not a founder. Can you comprehend the difference? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 July 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said: What does Greg Laden's age have to do with the price of fish? Are you really this dumb or is it an act you put on? If Greenpeace hadn't been founded then why does it say Greenpeace in the letterhead? That was not the name of the organization or the boat originally, according to what I read and the letterhead of the organization. You are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. Again you are out of bounds with your ad hominem remarks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 July 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said: I didn't cite Wikipedia. Though I suppose you will probably just falsify my quote to include it. You are getting paranoid Jay. I never said you did cite it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 July 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, ronwagn said: That was not the name of the organization or the boat originally, according to what I read and the letterhead of the organization. You are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. Again you are out of bounds with your ad hominem remarks! You are the one who claimed Greg Laden's age had some relevance. You deserve what you get. The letterhead of the organization is clearly documented. It says Greenpeace right at the top of the letter (aka the letterhead) where they accept his request to join the crew. This isn't open to your opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 July 29, 2021 Greenpeace was the new name for the ship, not the organization, at that time. The Don't Make a Wave Committee was a Canadian non profit organization, see the line under the name. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 July 29, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ronwagn said: Greenpeace was the new name for the ship, not the organization, at that time. The Don't Make a Wave Committee was a Canadian non profit organization, see the line under the name. Just because they did an official name change does not make him a founder. They clearly had defined the concept of being Greenpeace the organization per the letterhead. Seriously, if you have a company with employees and you decide to change the name or even do a reorganization does that make every employee a founder? Think about it. Edited July 29, 2021 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 July 29, 2021 Jay, people have different remembrances of very old issues. You are one who would call someone a fraud, who was and is not. It fits your worldview and you can find plenty of people to believe you. I try to be fair to people and not judge them. I was once a donator to Greenpeace, The Sierra Club, National Geographic (subscriber), and others. They are no longer what they once were. They have gone off the rails for political reasons. I have studied environmental issues since it became a common term with Rachel Carson's book Silent Spring in 1962. Silent Spring, released in 1962, offered the first shattering look at widespread ecological degradation and touched off an environmental awareness that still exists. Rachel Carson's book focused on the poisons from insecticides, weed killers, and other common products as well as the use of sprays in agriculture, a practice that led to dangerous chemicals to the food source. Carson argued that those chemicals were more dangerous than radiation and that for the first time in history, humans were exposed to chemicals that stayed in their systems from birth to death. Presented with thorough documentation, the book opened more than a few eyes about the dangers of the modern world and stands today as a landmark work. --This text refers to an alternate kindle_edition edition. Review Her book is a cry to the reading public to help curb private and public programs which by use of poisons will end by destroying life on earth. ... Miss Carson, with the fervor of an Ezekiel, is trying to save nature and mankind ... -- The New York Times Book Review, Lorus Milne and Margery Milne --This text refers to an alternate kindle_edition edition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuarterCenturyVet + 312 JL July 29, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: Just because they did an official name change does not make him a founder. They clearly had defined the concept of being Greenpeace the organization per the letterhead. Seriously, if you have a company with employees and you decide to change the name or even do a reorganization does that make every employee a founder? Think about it. The founding members of the Don't Make A Wave Committee included: Paul Cote (a law student at the University of British Columbia), Jim Bohlen (a former member of the U.S. Navy), Irving Stowe (a lawyer), Patrick Moore (an ecology student at the University of British Columbia) and Bill Darnell (a social worker). The Don't Make A Wave committee was the forerunner to Greenpeace. https://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/the-birth-of-greenpeace If your company goes through a name change, one of the founding members of the company usually either is for it, or against it. What do you think that letter was referring to, Jay? Patrick Moore is a founder of both. You're wrong and still a donkey. Edited July 29, 2021 by QuarterCenturyVet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,379 DL July 29, 2021 22 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: By unscientific left you mean research organizations like NOAA, Smithsonian, Union of Concerned Scientists, Scripps, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc... . But of course the guy who works for oil companies and who repeatedly claims to have been a green peace founder even though thoroughly debunked is the guy who gets it right. Your obvious charlatanism and paid propaganda are easily seen through. That is why you have lost the argument. https://www.noaa.gov/education/resource-collections/ocean-coasts/ocean-acidification https://ocean.si.edu/ocean-life/invertebrates/ocean-acidification https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/co2-and-ocean-acidification https://scripps.ucsd.edu/research/climate-change-resources/faq-ocean-acidification Sorry, YOU have lost the argument. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,379 DL July 29, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, ronwagn said: You are getting paranoid Jay. I never said you did cite it. The whole climate panic group is paranoid, that is why they refuse to discuss the scientific merits of these issues. Edited July 29, 2021 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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