Poland Expands LNG Powered Trucking and Fueling Stations

[ronwagn + 6,290]

https://lngprime.com/europe/polands-don-trucking-expands-lng-powered-fleet/27652/

[nsdp + 449]

For Poland it is either clean up the trucks or close the lignite power generation.  So they play the  LNG spot market.

[Sebastian Meana + 278]

On 9/6/2021 at 3:25 AM, ronwagn said:

https://lngprime.com/europe/polands-don-trucking-expands-lng-powered-fleet/27652/

 

Is not that natural gas powered trucks or cars are bad, is just that for transportation is better to convert that natural gas to synthetic gasoline than to use it as gas, and saving yourself the liquefaction plants or the compressors at gas stations.

https://www.hydrocarbonengineering.com/refining/26042021/nacero-selects-topsoe-technology-for-natural-gas-to-gasoline-facility-in-texas/
https://www.enr.com/articles/51799-bechtel-tapped-to-design-natural-gas-to-gasoline-plant-in-texas?v=preview


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpWBSM-34rM

Edited September 18, 2021 by Sebastian Meana

[ronwagn + 6,290]

1 minute ago, Sebastian Meana said:

Is not that natural gas powered trucks or cars are bad, is just that for transportation is better to convert that natural gas to synthetic gasoline than to use it as gas, and saving yourself the liquefaction plants or the compressors at gas stations.

https://www.hydrocarbonengineering.com/refining/26042021/nacero-selects-topsoe-technology-for-natural-gas-to-gasoline-facility-in-texas/
https://www.enr.com/articles/51799-bechtel-tapped-to-design-natural-gas-to-gasoline-plant-in-texas?v=preview


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpWBSM-34rM

The Saudis tried that ten years ago and it didn't work out. If you can beat natural gas fine.Turn it into liquid fuel if that is more cost effective and the consumer benefits. I am an advocate for the consumer. 

[Sebastian Meana + 278]

4 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

The Saudis tried that ten years ago and it didn't work out. If you can beat natural gas fine.Turn it into liquid fuel if that is more cost effective and the consumer benefits. I am an advocate for the consumer. 

Qatar, not the saudies, they still operate various GTL plants, and Malasya is opening one, they dont necessarily produce gasoline because the fischer tropsch process isnt as efficient, as lets say, STG+, theres still various Synthetic fuel plants in construction or in operation, like Neste HVO diesel plants

Generally the consumer doesnt know what he wants until you show them

Edited September 18, 2021 by Sebastian Meana

[ronwagn + 6,290]

2 minutes ago, Sebastian Meana said:

Qatar, not the saudies, they still operate various GTL plants, and Malasya is opening one, they dont necessarily produce gasoline because the fischer tropsch process isnt as efficient, as lets say, STG+, theres still various Synthetic fuel plants in construction or in operation, like Neste HVO diesel plants

Generally the consumer doesnt know what he wants until you show them

Thank you Sebastian! I am all for it. It sounds simple and I like simple. It will also help the excisting stock of ICE vehicles and help those who wish to have them in the future. 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201112-the-green-hydrogen-revolution-in-renewable-energy This article includes the downside of hydrogen production. It does not sound feasible to match natural gas prices or cost/benefit.

[ronwagn + 6,290]

https://www.fluor.com/projects/saudi-aramco-shedgum-gas-plant-epc Another story on natural gas to liquids and using previously wasted methane. The globe exudes methane daily. We need to use it. 

[turbguy + 1,544]

On 9/6/2021 at 3:05 PM, nsdp said:

For Poland it is either clean up the trucks or close the lignite power generation.  So they play the  LNG spot market.

Lignite?

Yuck!

[nsdp + 449]

21 hours ago, turbguy said:

Lignite?

Yuck!

Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary have billions of tons of combustible dirt.

[turbguy + 1,544]

2 hours ago, nsdp said:

Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary have billions of tons of combustible dirt.

That's just about what it is...

[Starschy + 211]

Lets wait for two years. Im not convinced that with 30 LNG filling Stations you can maintain a "regular service".