nsdp + 449 eh December 2, 2021 19 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: It is still Transparency International's index. Which uses some entirely non-transparent mechanism demonstrating less corruption for Ukraine and various -stans of former USSR than for Russia itself. Which cannot be. Now, look at this https://www.transparency.org/en/the-organisation/who-supports-us So, they are getting funded by the very same countries who surprise, surprise, end up ranked highest their list. I rest my case. Andre you are so full of CACA it is laughable. World Data is financed by the World Bank and IMF only.  Show me how either one enters Transparency 's list of funders. Under the US Constitution the World bank is not a part of the US Government unlike the State dept which does contribute. If you do a Lexis Nexis search of the United States you will find tha tthere are no entries for the World Bank. It is an organization created by treaty same as the organization of American States, the International Bank of Settlements m the UN and the IMF to name a few.  I am aware of biases in Transparency. That is why I do not use it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 December 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, nsdp said: Andre you are so full of CACA it is laughable. World Data is financed by the World Bank and IMF only.  Show me how either one enters Transparency 's list of funders. Under the US Constitution the World bank is not a part of the US Government unlike the State dept which does contribute. If you do a Lexis Nexis search of the United States you will find tha tthere are no entries for the World Bank. It is an organization created by treaty same as the organization of American States, the International Bank of Settlements m the UN and the IMF to name a few.  I am aware of biases in Transparency. That is why I do not use it. Damn it, would you read your own link already? At the very top https://www.worlddata.info/corruption.php on the blue field it credits Transparency International the first time, and than some more after the table. The "Washington Consensus" institutions (WTO, IMF and World Bank) are set up differently than UN. USA has the sole veto power there Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nsdp + 449 eh December 2, 2021 Andre you are very obviously ignorant of the relationship between World Data and Transparency. The later uses World Data's collection of data along with other sources to calculate their rating.  World Data creates their own "Corruption Perceptions Index" through the University of Passau wiithout regrd to transparency. .  That uses an entirely different methodology that the Ratings . You are trying to argue black is white. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nsdp + 449 eh December 2, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: Damn it, would you read your own link already? At the very top https://www.worlddata.info/corruption.php on the blue field it credits Transparency International the first time, and than some more after the table. The "Washington Consensus" institutions (WTO, IMF and World Bank) are set up differently than UN. USA has the sole veto power there We do not have veto power or even a vote at the IMF, where did you get that BS as that is an absolutely ignorant claim . That belongs to the EU . WTO has no veto by any nation where did you get that information. Pravda?. I note you leave out the entire rest of the two paragraphs and you have IGNORED the University of Passau who prepares the " "Corruption Perceptions Index" for the World Bank the IMF and it is published by World Data. A courtesy copy is given to Transparency who uses it along with other data.  If you weren't blind in one eye and not able to see out of the other you would see differences in rating after the first twenty. Why did you omit the work of the University of Passau? Edited December 2, 2021 by nsdp forgot question Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 December 2, 2021 Just now, nsdp said: We do not have veto power or even a vote at the IMF, where did you get that BS as that is an absolutely ignorant claim . That belongs to the EU . WTO has no veto by any nation where did you get that information. Pravda?. I note you leave out the entire rest of the two paragraphs and you have IGNORED the University of Passau who prepares the " "Corruption Perceptions Index" for the World Bank the IMF and it is published by World Data. A courtesy copy is given to Transparency who uses it along with other data.  If you weren't blind in one eye and not able to see out of the other you would see differences in rating after the first twenty. IMF is not part of the EU. There is merely an informal tradition for its MD to be a European citizen, while World Bank President is always an American one. My claim of US veto arises from observation that organization's bylaws require 85% supermajority shareholder vote to move. This much is impossible to obtain without the US, which owns just under 17% share. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Bank_Group#Organizational_structure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund#US_influence_and_voting_reform The original https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index is a Transparency baby. Yes, technically it is compiled by some University of Passau academician, based on sociological surveys. Therefore, "perception" is the key word, instead of actual "corruption" as such. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 December 2, 2021 21 minutes ago, nsdp said: We do not have veto power or even a vote at the IMF, where did you get that BS as that is an absolutely ignorant claim . That belongs to the EU . WTO has no veto by any nation where did you get that information. Pravda?. I note you leave out the entire rest of the two paragraphs and you have IGNORED the University of Passau who prepares the " "Corruption Perceptions Index" for the World Bank the IMF and it is published by World Data. A courtesy copy is given to Transparency who uses it along with other data.  If you weren't blind in one eye and not able to see out of the other you would see differences in rating after the first twenty. Why did you omit the work of the University of Passau? Actually, Wiki says the original U. Passau author quit in 2009 amidst internal protests. No wonder, with it being a shameless Washington Politbiro operation now. https://www.cgdev.org/blog/corrupting-perceptions-why-transparency-international’s-flagship-corruption-index-falls-short Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW December 2, 2021 13 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: There is a rail link to Tibet now. Stop confusing him with facts 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW December 2, 2021 11 hours ago, nsdp said: Nick you are genuinely ignorant. What made that project so expensive is something in physics ( did you pass physics in school?) was called the Carrington Effect. This requires land based facilities north of 35 degrees latitude to have special protective gear. Solar storms can cause power grids to fail at lower latitudes https://earthsky.org/human-world/solar-storms-can-cause-power-grids-to-fail-at-lower-latitudes/ As Jackie Gleason used to say "What a Maroon" costs are not comparable.  Second you will need as more miles of cable for three phase AC from Tibet or Xinjang as the project from Chile. Are you smart enough to know why?  You have to have three phase have three phase conductors plus overhead shield wire on each side of the tower. You will need a steel tower every 100 meters to maintain ground clearance for safety. Due to load carrying capacity in air and structural strength limits , you will need to use two 345kv circuits as the under water cable is larger in diameter, has lower I*2R losses and less solar heating and does not suffer from weight limits that the towers can support. So you wind up using twice as much cable and the added expense for 40 ,000 transmission towers at $300,000 US each. You could use 500 or 768kv but that doubles the number of towers needed.  Substations and the Inverter stations will be approximately equal since the point in Chile is 20 degrees South latitude and the route for the underwater cable lies and the termination in China lies within 30 degrees of the equator so no extra cost for protection against the Carrington Effect. Why not use HVDC then? Steel tower every 100m???? Multiply that by 4-5 to give a realistic figure for HV systems Steel and Aluminium are a lot cheaper and readily available than copper. Like I said - let us know when they start laying this TP cable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW December 2, 2021 12 hours ago, nsdp said: Nick you are genuinely ignorant. What made that project so expensive is something in physics ( did you pass physics in school?) was called the Carrington Effect. This requires land based facilities north of 35 degrees latitude to have special protective gear. Solar storms can cause power grids to fail at lower latitudes https://earthsky.org/human-world/solar-storms-can-cause-power-grids-to-fail-at-lower-latitudes/ As Jackie Gleason used to say "What a Maroon" costs are not comparable.  Second you will need as more miles of cable for three phase AC from Tibet or Xinjang as the project from Chile. Are you smart enough to know why?  You have to have three phase have three phase conductors plus overhead shield wire on each side of the tower. You will need a steel tower every 100 meters to maintain ground clearance for safety. Due to load carrying capacity in air and structural strength limits , you will need to use two 345kv circuits as the under water cable is larger in diameter, has lower I*2R losses and less solar heating and does not suffer from weight limits that the towers can support. So you wind up using twice as much cable and the added expense for 40 ,000 transmission towers at $300,000 US each. You could use 500 or 768kv but that doubles the number of towers needed.  Substations and the Inverter stations will be approximately equal since the point in Chile is 20 degrees South latitude and the route for the underwater cable lies and the termination in China lies within 30 degrees of the equator so no extra cost for protection against the Carrington Effect. There are already dams in southern Tibet that I assume transmit power in an eastbound direction. I assume if these are not fully utilised then they could be hooked into for tibetan solar & wind. Zangmu Dam - Wikipedia However, clearly if building transmission lines for hydro in this region is feasible it will also be feasible for wind and solar deployments. The stranded assets are simply a product of poor planning and not getting the transmission infrastructure built before or along side the generating plant construction.  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites