China's aggression is changing the nature of sovereignty.

[Tomasz + 1,608]

I propose an alternative scenario

The Russians are firmly entering Ukraine and the Baltic states - that is, they are recreating the western borders of the USSR. We are counting down the antirussian western oblasts of Ukraine

At the same time, the Chinese are entering Taiwan without any subtleties of hybrid wars, only directly militarily

Well, Iran is the third partner to invade and it has a choice between Israel (a more difficult target because of a nuclear weapon  and strong army) or fed up sheikhs from Saudi Arabia

Russia / China has hypersonic weapons, so the atomic boms is probably not very applicable because America will evaporate from the map in pair wwith them 

3 simultaneous strikes in 3 very different parts of the world and the king is finally naked.

And it seems that such an alliance the Americans will probably call it an alliance of three terrorist countries or somehow containing China Russia and Iran is slowly being formed.

Pakistan another China's ally, i.e. is also a nuclear power possibly guarding India from the west.

 

Apart from that Russia has just 25 % of NG world reserves Iran about  17%. Russia has lower amount of oil reserves relatively comparing with current oil production  but dont forget about cash-strapped Venezuela and Iran.

 

Edited December 29, 2021 by Tomasz

[Tomasz + 1,608]

I finally found where China is real agressor. Its  actually too agressive against CANCER.

Chinese goverment CURES people from cancer but TOO MUCH people and TOO FAST

Just look on bloomberg material. Western countries are not as agressive against its population.

Brillant story I must say. Or propaganda. Nevertheles.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-12-10/cancer-treatment-china-mulls-looser-experimental-therapy-rules

[Strangelovesurfing + 737]

13 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Genocide is a serious charge, must have factual support, and will never go unchallenged.

I know I will never persuade bigots like you to consider facts.  But for the record, across the world one fact is salient: when incomes and living standards rise, birth rates decrease.

If you wish to dispute the reasons for declining birth rates, then at least use those institutions that have an iota of repute, not the shit sources you use constantly.  If you wish to relate your own research, then disclose who and what you are, your methodology, your peer review, and show proof you have conducted research on the ground in China.

IF you cannot, you are nothing more than an ignorant, bigoted, racist Amurcun.

The facts are in your CCP's own statistics showing a decimation of birth rates, those are your own governments statistics, yet you claim others are ignorant. Weak tea franky.

I'm waiting on your CCP forced abortion vans you used to send out for your one child policy to be turned into forced conception vans to correct for the disastrous policy your CCP implemented in the past. 

One new catastrophe to make up for the last CCP catastrophe. 

[Strangelovesurfing + 737]

13 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Spouting lies only makes you a deranged person.

China serves dog?  I can guarantee you a fact: nowhere in mainland China is dog served; not in residences, not in restaurants. 

Here is the problem; how to prove a negative?   I have never seen dogs sold for food.

A positive can be proved.  So, if and when you visit mainland China, and you find dog on the menu, please do provide proof. I can assure you the authorities will stop the sale of dog immediately, and bring the sellers to account.

Where you will find dog on menus is South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Vietnam, Indonesia. All of which are supported by Americans. So you support the consumption of dogs?

Peace Bro. The message is good: peace on Earth, goodwill to men.  But I suppose these days in America, men must be replaced with something else?

Proof, Bro. Please provide proof.

 

And you just proved my point. What a surprise, a Han Chinese guy doing exactly what I said you would do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lychee_and_Dog_Meat_Festival

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/yulin-dog-meat-festival-explainer-what-is-it-when-start-banned-controversy-a8410426.html

https://blog.humanesociety.org/2021/06/chinese-advocates-lead-the-fight-against-yulin-dog-meat-trade.html

You're a walking cliche.

Here franky, take a look at what your head Wolf Warrior d. bag is really about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h-6l_nZ0p8

Hint hint, when he comes to the US he likes to stay at the YMCA, I think he's the biker, vroom, vroom.

PS. Enough with the BROS, I know in CCP chat room propaganda 101 you learned everyone in the US says BRO all the time, they taught you wrong brotatochip.

Edited December 30, 2021 by Strangelovesurfing

[ronwagn + 6,290]

15 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

There is nothing interesting left in your precious Constitution. The geezers of Supreme Court have been devinating on some vague "Founding Father's intent" since forever.  Actually, for all the claims, I haven't really seen Russia meddling in other countries affairs. Like you said yourself, we are too poor a country to afford your exorbitant fees for "lobbyism" (aka "bribes" elsewhere)

You are really ought to not be entitled to opinions that are entirely ill-informed and bigoted. Why don't you go and say shit about say, somebody black. Chicken? I distinctly remember you berating myself for being insufficiently respectful of Mexicans. Yet, you somehow see it fit to be grossly offensive to Russians? Where is the logic in that? Or are you only capable of being polite withing the scope of American libel laws? You call my Motherland fascist, I call you fascist. Bigoted and proud of it.

And no, speaking your mind is not actually permitted in USA. Like I said, I dare you say something as offensive about any minority of woke significance. Grossly offending Russians or Chinese, is legal of course, but that's the thing - you are just going on to demonstrate how unjust the fascist USA is. All of your laws are applied selectively and in ad hoc fashion (mostly, according to your wallet size) Therefore, you've got no laws of all. Your system is entirely lawless, get it? What could be shittier that this?

In Russia though, you can still say whatever you want. Be as bigoted as you want. You'd love it there, being the bigot that you are.

Andrei, I said I loved the Russian and Chinese people. My problem is with the dictatorial leadership and abuse of human rights that their GOVERNMENTS pursue. Many newsmen and others have been murdered. No freedom of speech. Religions are closely monitored. Nongovernmental organizations are now outlawed. 

In America we allow Russian news and Chinese news direct from their state controlled organizations. 

Our judicial system is overly lenient but the wealthy are also treated overly well because they have pull and great lawyers. That is, I agree, a problem. But it exists worldwide. China has cracked down on the billionaires because they don't want anyone powerful except for the CCP.  Putin just has opposition leaders thrown in jail. There is no real political opposition allowed to Putin. 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/russia-extends-prison-sentence-gulag-200933112.html

Russia extends prison sentence for Gulag historian who researched Stalin's purges to 15 years

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John Haltiwanger

Mon, December 27, 2021, 2:09 PM·4 min read

 

 

 

Russia extends prison sentence for Gulag historian who researched Stalin's purges to 15 years

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  Vladimir Putin

  President of Russia

 

 

 

 

Russian President Vladimir Putin looks at a flag with portraits of Soviet leaders Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin while visiting Ivanovo, Russia, on March 6, 2020.Mikhail Svetlov/Getty Images

• A Russian Gulag historian had his prison sentence extended to 15 years.

• The historian, Yuri Dmitriev, has uncovered mass graves from Stalin's purges.

• Critics say the charges against Dmitriev are politically motivated due to his work.

A Russian court extended the prison sentence of a prominent historian and activist, Yuri Dmitriev, as part of a sex abuse case that critics have condemned as politically motivated, Reuters reported on Monday.

Dmitriev had two more years added to his 13-year sentence, and is now set to spend 15 years behind bars. Last July, Dmitriev was found guilty of sexually abusing his adopted daughter. He's vehemently denied the allegations against him.

Dmitriev was first arrested in late 2016 on child pornography charges but was acquitted in 2018. But a second criminal case was opened against him several months later and he was eventually sentenced to three and a half years in prison. His sentence was abruptly extended to 13 years last year, not long before Dmitriev was set to be released.

 

Supporters and critics say the charges against Dmitriev are fabricated and punishment for uncovering mass graves from the Stalin-era containing the bodies of people held in Soviet prison camps known as Gulags. During the Great Purge (1936-38), also known as the "Great Terror," Joseph Stalin engaged in a brutal campaign to neutralize anyone perceived as disloyal or a threat to his rule. It's estimated at least 750,000 were killed during this period.

When Dmitriev's sentence was extended last year, a spokesperson for the US embassy in Moscow decried the move as "another step backwards for human rights and historical truths in Russia."

Experts with the UN have also condemned Russia over the treatment of Dmitriev, who's been lauded by human rights groups for his work.

"In response to Mr. Dmitriev's relentless search for the truth, the Russian authorities have sought to silence him by attacking his personal integrity, and thus the legitimacy of his historical work," a group of UN human rights experts said in February. "By so doing, they are preventing millions of family members whose relatives were imprisoned or perished in the Gulags from finding answers on what happened to their loved ones."

Story continues

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

Anna Politkovskaya 

https://qz.com/862764/heres-a-list-of-abuses-in-vladimir-putins-russia/

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

26 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Andrei, I said I loved the Russian and Chinese people. My problem is with the dictatorial leadership and abuse of human rights that their GOVERNMENTS pursue. Many newsmen and others have been murdered. No freedom of speech. Religions are closely monitored. Nongovernmental organizations are now outlawed. 

In America we allow Russian news and Chinese news direct from their state controlled organizations. 

Our judicial system is overly lenient but the wealthy are also treated overly well because they have pull and great lawyers. That is, I agree, a problem. But it exists worldwide. China has cracked down on the billionaires because they don't want anyone powerful except for the CCP.  Putin just has opposition leaders thrown in jail. There is no real political opposition allowed to Putin. 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/russia-extends-prison-sentence-gulag-200933112.html

Russia extends prison sentence for Gulag historian who researched Stalin's purges to 15 years

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John Haltiwanger

Mon, December 27, 2021, 2:09 PM·4 min read

 

 

 

Russia extends prison sentence for Gulag historian who researched Stalin's purges to 15 years

In this article:

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  Vladimir Putin

  President of Russia

 

 

 

 

Russian President Vladimir Putin looks at a flag with portraits of Soviet leaders Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin while visiting Ivanovo, Russia, on March 6, 2020.Mikhail Svetlov/Getty Images

• A Russian Gulag historian had his prison sentence extended to 15 years.

• The historian, Yuri Dmitriev, has uncovered mass graves from Stalin's purges.

• Critics say the charges against Dmitriev are politically motivated due to his work.

A Russian court extended the prison sentence of a prominent historian and activist, Yuri Dmitriev, as part of a sex abuse case that critics have condemned as politically motivated, Reuters reported on Monday.

Dmitriev had two more years added to his 13-year sentence, and is now set to spend 15 years behind bars. Last July, Dmitriev was found guilty of sexually abusing his adopted daughter. He's vehemently denied the allegations against him.

Dmitriev was first arrested in late 2016 on child pornography charges but was acquitted in 2018. But a second criminal case was opened against him several months later and he was eventually sentenced to three and a half years in prison. His sentence was abruptly extended to 13 years last year, not long before Dmitriev was set to be released.

 

Supporters and critics say the charges against Dmitriev are fabricated and punishment for uncovering mass graves from the Stalin-era containing the bodies of people held in Soviet prison camps known as Gulags. During the Great Purge (1936-38), also known as the "Great Terror," Joseph Stalin engaged in a brutal campaign to neutralize anyone perceived as disloyal or a threat to his rule. It's estimated at least 750,000 were killed during this period.

When Dmitriev's sentence was extended last year, a spokesperson for the US embassy in Moscow decried the move as "another step backwards for human rights and historical truths in Russia."

Experts with the UN have also condemned Russia over the treatment of Dmitriev, who's been lauded by human rights groups for his work.

"In response to Mr. Dmitriev's relentless search for the truth, the Russian authorities have sought to silence him by attacking his personal integrity, and thus the legitimacy of his historical work," a group of UN human rights experts said in February. "By so doing, they are preventing millions of family members whose relatives were imprisoned or perished in the Gulags from finding answers on what happened to their loved ones."

Story continues

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

Anna Politkovskaya 

https://qz.com/862764/heres-a-list-of-abuses-in-vladimir-putins-russia/

The child pornography charges against this guy are quite real. If you are into this sort of thing, his work is available online. In general, the novelty factor in uncovering "victims of Gulag" is quite low. There are several official monuments to them. If you think that the Russian government is generally opposed to this sort of activity, you are sorely mistaken. They are arguably against it being productized by propaganda against modern-day Russia, which has nothing to do with it. He got his sentence bumped up, because the Russian government is growing progressively irritated by those who think that having good friends in the West makes you above the Russian law. (Which a lot of time it still does, unfortunately. The case has to be hush-hush in order for this to work)

A lot of journalists got whacked in the crazy 90-ties to early 2000s. This was still Eltsin's Russia, not really Putin's. The few of more recent cases they list are extremely contrived. The people who died are more like some provincial bloggers nobody heard about than famous journalists of yore like Politkovskaya. Whose murder has been investigated and guilty parties jailed. What else could the Russian government do? She was mostly writing crap about the Chechens, not Putin. Lo and behold, they did whack her, like they promised. Does it surprise you any? They have their gangsta reputations to protect. What does any of it have to with Putin?

Now tell me something about Julian Assange. Isn't it an example of journalist abuse extraordinaire?

Edited December 30, 2021 by Andrei Moutchkine

[frankfurter + 562]

1 hour ago, Strangelovesurfing said:

And you just proved my point. What a surprise, a Han Chinese guy doing exactly what I said you would do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lychee_and_Dog_Meat_Festival

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/yulin-dog-meat-festival-explainer-what-is-it-when-start-banned-controversy-a8410426.html

https://blog.humanesociety.org/2021/06/chinese-advocates-lead-the-fight-against-yulin-dog-meat-trade.html

You're a walking cliche.

Here franky, take a look at what your head Wolf Warrior d. bag is really about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h-6l_nZ0p8

Hint hint, when he comes to the US he likes to stay at the YMCA, I think he's the biker, vroom, vroom.

PS. Enough with the BROS, I know in CCP chat room propaganda 101 you learned everyone in the US says BRO all the time, they taught you wrong brotatochip.

CNN needs you. You are one of the best at propaganda.

Facts;  The consumption of dog meat is illegal in China, so stated in your links, dubious as they are. I have never seen dog meat on any menu. The so-called festival is not: it was an attempt by a few individuals to cash-in on the tourists from HongKong. It is now underground.

Facts; Millions of people in the US are addicted to illegal drugs. I understand this is done underground.

So, in your eyes,... If China cannot control its underground, that makes the Chinese evil people.  If the USA cannot control its underground, that makes the Americans good people?

Bro, you need help to control your hysteria.

 

[QuarterCenturyVet + 312]

13 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Does 20-30 million dead since WWII qualify?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051?print=1

Only the Nazis themselves killed more.

Stalin did quite the number of "disappearing" to his own citizens as well. 

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/04/world/major-soviet-paper-says-20-million-died-as-victims-of-stalin.html

But, that's just propaganda to you, right? 

[frankfurter + 562]

2 hours ago, Strangelovesurfing said:

The facts are in your CCP's own statistics showing a decimation of birth rates, those are your own governments statistics, yet you claim others are ignorant. Weak tea franky.

I'm waiting on your CCP forced abortion vans you used to send out for your one child policy to be turned into forced conception vans to correct for the disastrous policy your CCP implemented in the past. 

One new catastrophe to make up for the last CCP catastrophe. 

Excellent attempt at propaganda. Goebbels would be impressed.

With zero facts you assert a decline in birth rate is the result of forced abortions.

Yet, the Uiguyr population is increasing, incomes rising, standard of living rising, more children are clothed, fed, and schooled than ever before, more schools, more hospitals, more busses, free health care, every household is guaranteed a minimum cash income, more homes with heat in winter, more homes with clean running water, millions have been lifted out of poverty, and more.

Sorry, but your hysterical fantasy does not jive with the facts, not the slightest.

Hysterics at your advanced level are a danger, to yourself and the general population. 

[QuarterCenturyVet + 312]

12 minutes ago, frankfurter said:

CNN needs you. You are one of the best at propaganda.

Facts;  The consumption of dog meat is illegal in China, so stated in your links, dubious as they are. I have never seen dog meat on any menu. The so-called festival is not: it was an attempt by a few individuals to cash-in on the tourists from HongKong. It is now underground.

Facts; Millions of people in the US are addicted to illegal drugs. I understand this is done underground.

So, in your eyes,... If China cannot control its underground, that makes the Chinese evil people.  If the USA cannot control its underground, that makes the Americans good people?

Bro, you need help to control your hysteria.

 

Western people don't eat pets, blackhead. 

Well, they do in Venezuela, but that's a different ball of wax. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5449023/amp/Venezuelans-eat-rats-dogs-economy-nosedives.html

Most of the drugs coming into Canada and China are via Mexico from China. Yep. You fucks are actively trying to soft war kill our younger generations. A hypersonic nuke isn't even good enough for your country to receive. It should be removed from the planet and sent into the fucking sun. 

[frankfurter + 562]

3 minutes ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

Stalin did quite the number of "disappearing" to his own citizens as well. 

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/04/world/major-soviet-paper-says-20-million-died-as-victims-of-stalin.html

But, that's just propaganda to you, right? 

Andrei is the one to reply to you.

But your attempt to obfuscate is feeble.  However you attempt to paint the picture, one fact is salient;  Stalin acted within the USSR ;  Americans murder innocents outside the USA. 

 

[frankfurter + 562]

2 minutes ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

Western people don't eat pets, blackhead. 

Well, they do in Venezuela, but that's a different ball of wax. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5449023/amp/Venezuelans-eat-rats-dogs-economy-nosedives.html

Most of the drugs coming into Canada and China are via Mexico from China. Yep. You fucks are actively trying to soft war kill our younger generations. A hypersonic nuke isn't even good enough for your country to receive. It should be removed from the planet and sent into the fucking sun. 

gee, more hysteria. So you criticise China falsely for a genocide, yet you advocate a genocide by the USA against China?

Another false claim; most of the drugs originate in China. Bro, you need to get educated. Drug production centres are Colombia, Central America, Mexico, Myanmar, Afghanistan [though now with the Taliban, we should see a reduction in opium production].   Meth is but one of hundreds of drugs, and all of it is produced in Mexico and USA. The raw materials for meth are imported under the control of the Mexican and USA govts, and are used for many industrial products. China is not the sole producer of such raw materials, but China has implemented strict controls on the export. If you wish to lay blame, then look to your countrymen, for they are the source of your illicit drug problem.

fyi, In China, the penalty for illicit drug production, sale, possession is death, swiftly. Whereas in the USA, such criminals walk about freely.

The USA has many serious ills.  Blaming those ills on foreigners is simply an act of cowardice and hysteria.

 

[frankfurter + 562]

21 minutes ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

Western people don't eat pets, blackhead. 

Well, they do in Venezuela, but that's a different ball of wax. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5449023/amp/Venezuelans-eat-rats-dogs-economy-nosedives.html

Most of the drugs coming into Canada and China are via Mexico from China. Yep. You fucks are actively trying to soft war kill our younger generations. A hypersonic nuke isn't even good enough for your country to receive. It should be removed from the planet and sent into the fucking sun. 

PS.  The only parties threatening your children are yourselves. Your dementia POTUS has ordered all children be jabbed with an experimental drug that is causing irreparable harm and deaths. The harm will show years from now.  Elsewehere,,, your beloved corporations have polluted drinking waters across your country, resulting in mercury and other toxic poisonings. The harm is already showing.  Yet you blame others for your crimes.

 

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

30 minutes ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

Stalin did quite the number of "disappearing" to his own citizens as well. 

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/04/world/major-soviet-paper-says-20-million-died-as-victims-of-stalin.html

But, that's just propaganda to you, right? 

Mere sensationalism. Just as common in USSR/Russia as it is in the West. See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin

for real figures. More importantly,

What does anything we are discussing here have to do with Stalin? You've got to compare the guy to his contemporaries, like the Nazis, the British Imperials and segregated USA which was still lynching people. Than, he fits right in. Relation to modern-day Russia eludes me.

US has been, and still is whacking people for completely made up reasons to this very day, though. See the difference?

[ronwagn + 6,290]

1 hour ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

The child pornography charges against this guy are quite real. If you are into this sort of thing, his work is available online. In general, the novelty factor in uncovering "victims of Gulag" is quite low. There are several official monuments to them. If you think that the Russian government is generally opposed to this sort of activity, you are sorely mistaken. They are arguably against it being productized by propaganda against modern-day Russia, which has nothing to do with it. He got his sentence bumped up, because the Russian government is growing progressively irritated by those who think that having good friends in the West makes you above the Russian law. (Which a lot of time it still does, unfortunately. The case has to be hush-hush in order for this to work)

A lot of journalists got whacked in the crazy 90-ties to early 2000s. This was still Eltsin's Russia, not really Putin's. The few of more recent cases they list are extremely contrived. The people who died are more like some provincial bloggers nobody heard about than famous journalists of yore like Politkovskaya. Whose murder has been investigated and guilty parties jailed. What else could the Russian government do? She was mostly writing crap about the Chechens, not Putin. Lo and behold, they did whack her, like they promised. Does it surprise you any? They have their gangsta reputations to protect. What does any of it have to with Putin?

Now tell me something about Julian Assange. Isn't it an example of journalist abuse extraordinaire?

You really like to brush things under the rug for the communist nations. That is to be expected from someone who loved the Soviet Union I guess.

Here is another example similar to what Russia is doing but maybe a bit more drastic. 

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/china-religion-internet/2021/12/29/id/1050397/

China to Crack Down on Religious Web Content

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

35 minutes ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

Western people don't eat pets, blackhead. 

Well, they do in Venezuela, but that's a different ball of wax. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5449023/amp/Venezuelans-eat-rats-dogs-economy-nosedives.html

Most of the drugs coming into Canada and China are via Mexico from China. Yep. You fucks are actively trying to soft war kill our younger generations. A hypersonic nuke isn't even good enough for your country to receive. It should be removed from the planet and sent into the fucking sun. 

A lot of Western people eat horses, which qualifies as eating pets. There is also a bizarre Swiss custom of eating a cat for Christmas

https://www.newsweek.com/not-just-christmas-swiss-urged-stop-eating-cats-and-dogs-287378

Venezuela is like that thanks to US economic blockade.

The drug business is just that - a business. That is, the Chinese drug makers have willing business partners on the inside. You don't have any hypersonic nukes, but the Chinese do. Don't think frankfurter is from China himself?

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

1 hour ago, ronwagn said:

You really like to brush things under the rug for the communist nations. That is to be expected from someone who loved the Soviet Union I guess.

Here is another example similar to what Russia is doing but maybe a bit more drastic. 

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/china-religion-internet/2021/12/29/id/1050397/

China to Crack Down on Religious Web Content

What exactly is Russia doing against the religious content? It is generally vaguely pro-religion, now that it positions itself as a conservative place. All they did is some cracking down on for-profit sects like Scientology and Jehova's Witnesses. Ditto for violent Islamist ones. The religious content they consider genuine is OK. What Chinese are doing is nothing compared to how India is cracking down on Western subversion activities disguised as missionary work. They also have introduced a special scorecard system for American missionary NGOs and advice other 3rd world governments, like Malaysia, on them. The scores are devastating. Isn't India supposed to be an impeccable democracy though? One of the outgoing acts of Trump's was lifting the restrictions on churches/religious non-profits contributing to political campaigns directly. Opening floodgates of heck, so to say. I am sure some of your Senators will work for the Taliban soon enough. Anyhow, Indians even forbid the Mother Theresa's Order from accepting donations from abroad.

Also, note that Russia is NOT A COMMUNIST NATION. Not for the last 30 years. That was USSR, remember. Time to change the tune perhaps, already?

There is absolutely no incentive for anybody to pretend to like the USSR now that it is gone. I genuinely miss it, because it was a great country, IMHO. Note that there was no Stalin and no GULAG in my USSR, as I grew up in the 1980-ties. The Soviet 1980-ties were a lot like yours, actually. There were women with big hair and people wore blindingly bright clothes

Edited December 30, 2021 by Andrei Moutchkine

[frankfurter + 562]

50 minutes ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

Stalin did quite the number of "disappearing" to his own citizens as well. 

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/04/world/major-soviet-paper-says-20-million-died-as-victims-of-stalin.html

But, that's just propaganda to you, right? 

Like all Amurcuns, you appear to be grossly ignorant of causal factors.

The USA has placed sanctions upon the USSR, PRChina, and Russia since their inception. Sanctions were difficult to effect when the world was on the gold standard, so the US needed extension collusion with the UK, the Vatican, the Swiss. Post, sanctions are a stroke of a pen.

A great number of deaths occurred from famine. Without sanctions, those deaths were avoidable. An example is the China famine, ca 1960. At the time, Canada had bumper crops of grains and legumes. The market channels could not absorb. Canada has a Wheat Board, which guaranteed price and quantity to growers. So, the harvest rotted in silos and on the fields [leading to an explosion of rodents]. Canada wanted to donate the excess to the countries having famine. But Canada had not the port capacities to manage the increase; all ports were at capacity for contracted deliveries. Canada suggested the USA ports be used, which did have excess capacity. The USA refused and blocked. Later, too late, when Canada did have some port capacity, the US threatened to attack the Canada Dollar if Canada did try to move grains to China. Result: no grain moved to China, and the death toll rose.

So much for Amurcun morals and exceptionalism.

 

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

41 minutes ago, frankfurter said:

gee, more hysteria. So you criticise China falsely for a genocide, yet you advocate a genocide by the USA against China?

Another false claim; most of the drugs originate in China. Bro, you need to get educated. Drug production centres are Colombia, Central America, Mexico, Myanmar, Afghanistan [though now with the Taliban, we should see a reduction in opium production].   Meth is but one of hundreds of drugs, and all of it is produced in Mexico and USA. The raw materials for meth are imported under the control of the Mexican and USA govts, and are used for many industrial products. China is not the sole producer of such raw materials, but China has implemented strict controls on the export. If you wish to lay blame, then look to your countrymen, for they are the source of your illicit drug problem.

fyi, In China, the penalty for illicit drug production, sale, possession is death, swiftly. Whereas in the USA, such criminals walk about freely.

The USA has many serious ills.  Blaming those ills on foreigners is simply an act of cowardice and hysteria.

 

Meth is made from innocuous industrial chemicals which exist everywhere. Can't really prohibit it. Specifically in the US, the continuous availability of OTC cough medicines containing (pseudo)ephedrine allow for kitchen-scale production.

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22 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Mere sensationalism. Just as common in USSR/Russia as it is in the West. See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin

for real figures. More importantly,

What does anything we are discussing here have to do with Stalin? You've got to compare the guy to his contemporaries, like the Nazis, the British Imperials and segregated USA which was still lynching people. Than, he fits right in. Relation to modern-day Russia eludes me.

US has been, and still is whacking people for completely made up reasons to this very day, though. See the difference?

Our deep state are no angels I am sure. I am for freeing Assange. Our bloodletting, that I know of, is no comparison to that of Putin and a tiny fraction of that done by China and  Its North Korean puppet. 

I would like to abolish much of our Deep State and think that they spend Billions on studying American citizens. This year they got a law passed that enables them to buy information on anyone from any company they choose. Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc. They routinely ignore their own rules and all others. They obfuscate everything they can. They have infiltrated all of our major newspapers, right wing organizations, etc. The IRS worked against conservative organizations. I could go on and on. As I said before, we are in danger of  being totally controlled by our own elites. 

Propaganda and Mind Control

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cBjsei8lp-zDw12zU7uQ7x8EvswUUAPs6r1mUU8oG6w/edit

Privacy, Big Government, and Spying

https://docs.google.com/document/d/180xMs2bPaqtbPGo0HHRzhO1U6lsED1XEvO9R_tX3BqE/edit

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Our deep state are no angels I am sure. I am for freeing Assange. Our bloodletting, that I know of, is no comparison to that of Putin and a tiny fraction of that done by China and  Its North Korean puppet. 

I would like to abolish much of our Deep State and think that they spend Billions on studying American citizens. This year they got a law passed that enables them to buy information on anyone from any company they choose. Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc. They routinely ignore their own rules and all others. They obfuscate everything they can. They have infiltrated all of our major newspapers, right wing organizations, etc. The IRS worked against conservative organizations. I could go on and on. As I said before, we are in danger of  being totally controlled by our own elites. 

Propaganda and Mind Control

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cBjsei8lp-zDw12zU7uQ7x8EvswUUAPs6r1mUU8oG6w/edit

Privacy, Big Government, and Spying

https://docs.google.com/document/d/180xMs2bPaqtbPGo0HHRzhO1U6lsED1XEvO9R_tX3BqE/edit

 

 

 

Your Deep State is homegrown.  "I would like to abolish much of our Deep State "  ... a noble sentiment.  Please, be a Leader, show us the way.

But also, please, explain how your articles, propaganda, accusations against China will somehow enable you to accomplish your sentiment?

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

 

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44 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Our deep state are no angels I am sure. I am for freeing Assange. Our bloodletting, that I know of, is no comparison to that of Putin and a tiny fraction of that done by China and  Its North Korean puppet. 

I would like to abolish much of our Deep State and think that they spend Billions on studying American citizens. This year they got a law passed that enables them to buy information on anyone from any company they choose. Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc. They routinely ignore their own rules and all others. They obfuscate everything they can. They have infiltrated all of our major newspapers, right wing organizations, etc. The IRS worked against conservative organizations. I could go on and on. As I said before, we are in danger of  being totally controlled by our own elites. 

Propaganda and Mind Control

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cBjsei8lp-zDw12zU7uQ7x8EvswUUAPs6r1mUU8oG6w/edit

Privacy, Big Government, and Spying

https://docs.google.com/document/d/180xMs2bPaqtbPGo0HHRzhO1U6lsED1XEvO9R_tX3BqE/edit

 

 

 

So, if you know who they are, why are you giving them any credence? The first time around when the spooks were taking over your media, at least somebody was complaining

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

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42 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

So, if you know who they are, why are you giving them any credence? The first time around when the spooks were taking over your media, at least somebody was complaining

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

I am well aware of that. I have not trusted our Deep State since they started attacking Trump. He is an outsider still. They only want people that will follow their plans. 

Right now they have many people in jail that were tricked into going near or into the Capitol in D.C. by the FBI and their operatives. 

Who Invaded inside the Capitol or grounds?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19qLxuaWqyPKPsE7xyT2ATV6-I9J_BhfvkChb3E-NL4o/edit

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5 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

I am well aware of that. I have not trusted our Deep State since they started attacking Trump. He is an outsider still. They only want people that will follow their plans. 

Right now they have many people in jail that were tricked into going near or into the Capitol in D.C. by the FBI and their operatives. 

Who Invaded inside the Capitol or grounds?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19qLxuaWqyPKPsE7xyT2ATV6-I9J_BhfvkChb3E-NL4o/edit

Certainly a very embarrassing situation for Uncle Sam. Much more difficult to preach about tolerating political protest, IMHO, but they still try it, of course.

But you do "follow their plans" as far dehumanizing Russia, China and other potential challengers is concerned. Looks like perfectly following the party line to me.

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16 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Certainly a very embarrassing situation for Uncle Sam. Much more difficult to preach about tolerating political protest, IMHO, but they still try it, of course.

But you do "follow their plans" as far dehumanizing Russia, China and other potential challengers is concerned. Looks like perfectly following the party line to me.

Only the Trump voters really know what is going on. Them and the far left Demoncrats who are working with the corporate state, the Deep State, and the military industrial complex. We have adequate social media and news sites and can keep up on the details up to the secret ones. Trump and his associates and some conservatives have contacts within the conservative sector left in the Deep State. In a year we will run the House and probably the Senate. Biden will have two years left to run down the Democrats with his awful performance. 

The present administration is a very dangerous one because they can make some very bad mistakes. Russia and China may make a mistake that will lead to a major war. The Deep State can probably get Biden to do whatever they want him to. I am mainly worried about Taiwan and Ukraine. Weakness invites aggression.

You may remember that Trump was friendly to the Russians and did not raise their ire to my knowledge. He did anger China by demanding fair trade.  

Edited December 30, 2021 by ronwagn