China's aggression is changing the nature of sovereignty.

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12 hours ago, Boat said:

PS, the US participates in propionate response. It’s not real war. It just means we will hurt you more than your actions hurt us. We don’t land grab. We have no goal to conquer. But for example you manipulate FF prices over the decades at least the Dems will make FF less relevant. The Republicans can’t buy into that reasoning because they have the oil oligarchs to deal with but the black man Obama will eventually take FF out of most transportation striking a blow to Russia and the Middle East. This is a conspiracy theory of course so pay no mind. Lol

The Ukraine will be a proportionate response war. Whatever Putin does will be responded to in kind, just more devastating. Y’all call that weak, you call it losing. Y’all dream up lots of propaganda. But at the end of the day the US is still the Alfa dog and our allies still look to us. 

your comments exemplify my points.

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Russia's Vietnam: Why an Invasion of Ukraine Would Be a Disaster for Putin

https://www.military.com/daily-news/opinions/2022/01/25/russias-vietnam-why-invasion-of-ukraine-would-be-disaster-putin.html?ESRC=eb_220126.nl

"Russia's GDP is smaller than South Korea's and the country's economy is corrupt and already under sanction – nor a small, pliant target, like Georgia in 2008, in Ukraine today."

"It would be expelled from the SWIFT inter-bank exchange system and the political support for Nord Stream 2 would disappear. NATO defense spending would explode. "

I believe one of you said expulsion from SWIFT . That is item one on the list of possible sanctions along with cutting of IBS access.  Trying to do this with an economy smaller than South Korea.   Delusions of grandeur.

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Below is the EEZ claimed by Japan, enforced militarily by the USSA. Notice the enormous extent for such a small country. Begs the question; what right has Japan to claim such a large ocean realm? NONE was established by treaty with other countries affected. If Japan can claim, why not others likewise? This is a setup for conflict.

 

Edited January 28, 2022 by frankfurter

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https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022/01/27/china-demand-u-s-yield-to-russias-reasonable-concerns-on-ukraine/

China Demand U.S. Yield to ‘Russia’s Reasonable Concerns’ on Ukraine

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https://www.theepochtimes.com/australian-defence-minister-firm-on-ccp-despite-new-ambassadors-tone_4241900.html

Australian Defence Minister Firm on CCP Despite New Ambassador’s Tone

By Epoch Times Sydney Staff

 

January 27, 2022 Updated: January 27, 2022

biggersmaller 

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Australian Defence Minister Peter Dutton has vowed to continue calling out the Chinese regime’s human rights violations and belligerence, after Beijing’s new ambassador struck a conciliatory tone.

Xiao Qian, the former Chinese envoy to Indonesia, arrived in Australia on Jan. 26, the country’s national day, saying he was on a “noble mission.”

In a statement, Xiao said that he would work to “increase engagement and communication,” “enhance mutual understanding and trust,” “eliminate misunderstanding and suspicion,” and “jointly push the China-Australia relations back to the right track.”

However, Dutton’s welcome conveyed his skepticism, noting Beijing’s aggression in the Indo-Pacific region.

“We want a good, strong friendly relationship with China but at the moment China is in conflict,” Dutton told radio station 2GB on Thursday.

“At the moment, China is in conflict, not just with us, where they’re cutting off markets, and the cyber-attacks, but with the Philippines. They’re at loggerheads with the Indians, the Vietnamese, with many, many other countries.”

“It’s a belligerent approach, it’s unacceptable,” he added.

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19 hours ago, frankfurter said:

your comments exemplify my points.

Here is proportional response for Russia's  100,000 troops:  Troops at These Bases Are on Alert for Deployment over Ukraine Crisis  https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/01/27/troops-these-bases-are-alert-deployment-over-ukraine-crisis.html?ESRC=eb_220128.nl

Better send Putin to a psychiatric hospital.  He seems to forgotten Frozen Chosin. Qemoy/Matsu, Berlin 1948-9 and 1961, and Cuba. He has bluffed and lost.

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19 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Below is the EEZ claimed by Japan, enforced militarily by the USSA. Notice the enormous extent for such a small country. Begs the question; what right has Japan to claim such a large ocean realm? NONE was established by treaty with other countries affected. If Japan can claim, why not others likewise? This is a setup for conflict.

 

 

Right now it is winter. Are the Chinese ready to freeze in the dark?

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38 minutes ago, nsdp said:

Here is proportional response for Russia's  100,000 troops:  Troops at These Bases Are on Alert for Deployment over Ukraine Crisis  https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/01/27/troops-these-bases-are-alert-deployment-over-ukraine-crisis.html?ESRC=eb_220128.nl

Better send Putin to a psychiatric hospital.  He seems to forgotten Frozen Chosin. Qemoy/Matsu, Berlin 1948-9 and 1961, and Cuba. He has bluffed and lost.

8,500 is not a proportional response to 100,000

100,000 is not remotely enough to invade Ukraine

USSR won Cuba. USA quietly removed its missiles from Turkey. So, "Cuba missile crisis" is a misnomer. It was really a Turkish one.

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9 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

8,500 is not a proportional response to 100,000

100,000 is not remotely enough to invade Ukraine

USSR won Cuba. USA quietly removed its missiles from Turkey. So, "Cuba missile crisis" is a misnomer. It was really a Turkish one.

Winning in Cuba?  Russian Missiles and nukes went home(loss). Castro was the big winner. guarantee of no US invasion.  No Russian troops or missiles  in Western Hemisphere was a win for the US. In case you didn't know it, the Thor missils in the UK and Turkey were already coming home to due to reliability issues.   The Jupiters in Italy stayed.You ignore that   Russia had about 1/2 minute more warning time on the Jupiter in Italy and the Jupiter had twice the throw weight as the Thor.   As to  a Turkish crisis , I question why Russia waited 3 years to complain.

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13 minutes ago, nsdp said:

Winning in Cuba?  Russian Missiles and nukes went home(loss). Castro was the big winner. guarantee of no US invasion.  No Russian troops or missiles  in Western Hemisphere was a win for the US. In case you didn't know it, the Thor missils in the UK and Turkey were already coming home to due to reliability issues.   The Jupiters in Italy stayed.You ignore that   Russia had about 1/2 minute more warning time on the Jupiter in Italy and the Jupiter had twice the throw weight as the Thor.   As to  a Turkish crisis , I question why Russia waited 3 years to complain.

All of the Jupiters were dismantled as of 1964. Russian nukes went home from where they haven't been before, anyway.

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18 hours ago, ronwagn said:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/australian-defence-minister-firm-on-ccp-despite-new-ambassadors-tone_4241900.html

Australian Defence Minister Firm on CCP Despite New Ambassador’s Tone

By Epoch Times Sydney Staff

 

January 27, 2022 Updated: January 27, 2022

biggersmaller 

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Australian Defence Minister Peter Dutton has vowed to continue calling out the Chinese regime’s human rights violations and belligerence, after Beijing’s new ambassador struck a conciliatory tone.

Xiao Qian, the former Chinese envoy to Indonesia, arrived in Australia on Jan. 26, the country’s national day, saying he was on a “noble mission.”

In a statement, Xiao said that he would work to “increase engagement and communication,” “enhance mutual understanding and trust,” “eliminate misunderstanding and suspicion,” and “jointly push the China-Australia relations back to the right track.”

However, Dutton’s welcome conveyed his skepticism, noting Beijing’s aggression in the Indo-Pacific region.

“We want a good, strong friendly relationship with China but at the moment China is in conflict,” Dutton told radio station 2GB on Thursday.

“At the moment, China is in conflict, not just with us, where they’re cutting off markets, and the cyber-attacks, but with the Philippines. They’re at loggerheads with the Indians, the Vietnamese, with many, many other countries.”

“It’s a belligerent approach, it’s unacceptable,” he added.

Would you please cease and desist from posting lies? conflicts? how so? Trade with all countries is more in 2021 than in 2020. The RCEP could not have been accomplished, if the countries had conflicts. China has signed border-treaties with all neighbours, except one only: India. India refuses to discuss a treaty, since 1945, almost 80 years. The LAC serves as the de facto border, which India has violated on numerous occasions. The belligerents in the world are India, Japan, UK, AU, USSA.

 

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39 minutes ago, frankfurter said:

Would you please cease and desist from posting lies? conflicts? how so? Trade with all countries is more in 2021 than in 2020. The RCEP could not have been accomplished, if the countries had conflicts. China has signed border-treaties with all neighbours, except one only: India. India refuses to discuss a treaty, since 1945, almost 80 years. The LAC serves as the de facto border, which India has violated on numerous occasions. The belligerents in the world are India, Japan, UK, AU, USSA.

 

 

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On 1/28/2022 at 5:15 PM, Andrei Moutchkine said:

All of the Jupiters were dismantled as of 1964. Russian nukes went home from where they haven't been before, anyway.

 That was  the settlement  of the Air Force/Army dispute over who could develop and  fly fixed wing aircraft and rotary wing aircraft and strategic missiles. The Army got the helicopters and tactical missiles. The air force got fixed wing and IRBM and ICBM.  Marshall Space fight Center went to NASA.  The Air Force was short of  warheads for the Minuteman II  so the Jupiter warheads  went on the Minuteman II.   Since the Pershing II was not a ballistic missile under SALT, the Army kept the Pershing I and II program.   Cruise missiles  were a navy program.  It usually helps if you know what you  are talking about.

Edited January 30, 2022 by nsdp
correct system names

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7 minutes ago, nsdp said:

 That was  the settlement  of the Air Force/Army dispute over who could develop and  fly fixed wing aircraft and rotary wing aircraft and strategic missiles. The Army got the helicopters and tactical missiles. The air force got fixed wing and IRBM and ICBM.  Marshall Space fight Center went to NASA.  The Air Force was short of  warheads for the Minuteman II  so the Jupiter warheads  went on the Minuteman II.   Since the Pershing II was not a ballistic missile under SALT, the Army kept the Pershing I and II program.   Cruise missiles  were a navy program.  It usually helps if you know what you  are talking about.

Your inter-service infighting interests no-one, just please more of the good stuff, OK?

I can count fairly well. SALT talks started in 1969, with SALT I signed 1972. Before that, there was absolutely no limitation on the number of warheads US could make. Unless you want to claim that US was incompetent back when already, which suits me just fine, too?

Ground-based cruise missiles were not covered by any treaty before the INF of 1987 and also not removed, but we haven't talked about them yet. Ultimately that treaty turned out to be not to USSR/Russia's favor, so it is a good thing our agent Donnie quit it

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10 minutes ago, Wombat One said:

Just one problem Andrei. I am the only world driver and you in my headlights like a baby bambi deer I must run over and crush coz u keep jump infront of my way?

 

Somebody must show deserving Taliban youth the miracle of electrical battery grinder off Ali Express. So that there is always space for them on NATO/Australian aircraft. They deserve every right to audit the distributors of their dope at Rammstein airbase in Germany and Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo.

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35 minutes ago, Wombat One said:

Fuc* you. The aliens have arrived and they want to know who leads and speaks for our planet? Clearly not Putin? Only POTUS speaks for the majority of 7 billion Earthlings?

If u want me to wipe you out in order to make you accountable, just say so?

 

The POTUS does not speak without the teleprompter at all. Nobody speaks for the Aussies. The aliens can have you, I reckon.

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On 1/27/2022 at 2:40 PM, Tomasz said:

-its high time to start to implement the Minsk agreements to achieve finally peace because Russia as a richer and more powerful country, sooner or later will destroy you economically by expensive oil, expensive coal, and very expensive gas

ukraine weak?

ukraine is game to you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzLtF_PxbYw

 

Edited February 2, 2022 by surrept33

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On 1/28/2022 at 6:36 PM, frankfurter said:

Would you please cease and desist from posting lies? conflicts? how so? Trade with all countries is more in 2021 than in 2020. The RCEP could not have been accomplished, if the countries had conflicts. China has signed border-treaties with all neighbours, except one only: India. India refuses to discuss a treaty, since 1945, almost 80 years. The LAC serves as the de facto border, which India has violated on numerous occasions. The belligerents in the world are India, Japan, UK, AU, USSA.

 

So larger trade with China is belligerent?  You want to explain that? Unless your talking about Finland and Sweden pushed into NATO with border building belligerent behavior. Lol 

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https://www.theepochtimes.com/unsilenced-film-is-a-scathing-indictment-of-the-ccp-pompeo_4232552.html

Unsilenced’ Film Is a ‘Scathing Indictment of the CCP’: Pompeo

By Frank Yue and Sherry Dong

 

January 28, 2022 Updated: January 30, 2022

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On 1/28/2022 at 12:47 AM, ronwagn said:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/australian-defence-minister-firm-on-ccp-despite-new-ambassadors-tone_4241900.html

Australian Defence Minister Firm on CCP Despite New Ambassador’s Tone

By Epoch Times Sydney Staff

 

January 27, 2022 Updated: January 27, 2022

biggersmaller 

Print

Australian Defence Minister Peter Dutton has vowed to continue calling out the Chinese regime’s human rights violations and belligerence, after Beijing’s new ambassador struck a conciliatory tone.

Xiao Qian, the former Chinese envoy to Indonesia, arrived in Australia on Jan. 26, the country’s national day, saying he was on a “noble mission.”

In a statement, Xiao said that he would work to “increase engagement and communication,” “enhance mutual understanding and trust,” “eliminate misunderstanding and suspicion,” and “jointly push the China-Australia relations back to the right track.”

However, Dutton’s welcome conveyed his skepticism, noting Beijing’s aggression in the Indo-Pacific region.

“We want a good, strong friendly relationship with China but at the moment China is in conflict,” Dutton told radio station 2GB on Thursday.

“At the moment, China is in conflict, not just with us, where they’re cutting off markets, and the cyber-attacks, but with the Philippines. They’re at loggerheads with the Indians, the Vietnamese, with many, many other countries.”

“It’s a belligerent approach, it’s unacceptable,” he added.

Well that's the Pot calling the Kettle Black considering How Australia has treated it's population with regard to covid protocols and mandates, setting up concentration camps for so-called un-vaccintated people, jailing violators and in general treating people like they live in a third world country. How do you like your gun control now Aussies?

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On 1/28/2022 at 7:36 PM, frankfurter said:

Would you please cease and desist from posting lies? conflicts? how so? Trade with all countries is more in 2021 than in 2020. The RCEP could not have been accomplished, if the countries had conflicts. China has signed border-treaties with all neighbours, except one only: India. India refuses to discuss a treaty, since 1945, almost 80 years. The LAC serves as the de facto border, which India has violated on numerous occasions. The belligerents in the world are India, Japan, UK, AU, USSA.

 

Yeah, just like that 9-dash line China uses to infringe on Vietnam's and the Phillipines Territory! It's right off of their Freaking coast you Chinese hack! It's on the little Map you posted. China is infringing on other sovereign countries territory. Your Map shows it well! They just like to Bully their poorer neighbors

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On 1/24/2022 at 11:35 AM, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Death throes of a dying hegemony.

It's the Washington Post, Owned by Bezos. Who takes it seriously anymore?

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On 1/26/2022 at 8:54 PM, frankfurter said:

To illustrate the dangers of the USSA republic versus a democracy, consider...

Almost Half of Democrats Favor Concentration Camps for Vaccine Refusers

48% of Democrats polled think the government should “fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications.”

Such tyranny is possible when a country's constitution permits power to be concentrated into a handful of people colluding together, and the citizens are too drugged-up, dumbed-down, apathetic, indoctrinated, ignorant, lazy, divided by race, colour, gender,,, to give a f*** about anything.

This plandemic was designed and effected by the USSA. It is a genocide.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_against_unvaccinated

 

Let them try, and see what happens. Their will be severe pain for those who try

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On 1/27/2022 at 1:49 PM, Andrei Moutchkine said:

The antiship missiles should be close to 100% accurate, they've got dedicated satellite guidance.

You never ever have more than 4 CSGs out at sea. (It is just 3 now)

https://worldview.stratfor.com/topic/tracking-us-naval-power

Presumably, this is how many sane sailors you can find?

The Emperor got no clothes.

3 CSGs is better than one Russian carrier that sank in it's own drydock and caught on fire too.

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17 minutes ago, El Gato said:

It's the Washington Post, Owned by Bezos. Who takes it seriously anymore?

Well, believe it or not, US Senate actually did float the idea of sanctioning Russian iPhones.

This is them discussing Iran

And we used to think Brezhnev's Politbiro was senile...