China's aggression is changing the nature of sovereignty.

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

19 minutes ago, El Gato said:

3 CSGs is better than one Russian carrier that sank in it's own drydock and caught on fire too.

Don't think they should bother with carriers anymore. The one they had wasn't a proper carrier anyway.

US has been known to set an occasional carrier and LHA of its own on fire, too.

Edited February 4, 2022 by Andrei Moutchkine

[ronwagn + 6,290]

https://www.theepochtimes.com/xi-jinping-signals-his-political-intention-from-his-inspection-of-the-combat-center_4251758.html

[ronwagn + 6,290]

1 hour ago, El Gato said:

Well that's the Pot calling the Kettle Black considering How Australia has treated it's population with regard to covid protocols and mandates, setting up concentration camps for so-called un-vaccintated people, jailing violators and in general treating people like they live in a third world country. How do you like your gun control now Aussies?

Australia needs to allow armed citizens aside from felons. Their military is too small to defend their country IMHO. 

[surrept33 + 612]

3 hours ago, El Gato said:

It's the Washington Post, Owned by Bezos. Who takes it seriously anymore?

Washington Post is doing better than ever. 

So is Jeff Bozos:

https://gizmodo.com/historic-bridge-may-be-dismantled-for-jeff-bezos-supery-1848467530

 

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

25 minutes ago, surrept33 said:

Washington Post is doing better than ever. 

So is Jeff Bozos:

https://gizmodo.com/historic-bridge-may-be-dismantled-for-jeff-bezos-supery-1848467530

 

That's not that bad. There are sailing yachts struggling with Golden Gate out there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirabella_V

[ronwagn + 6,290]

https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-ccp-will-kill-as-many-as-it-has-to-kill-to-preserve-its-power-historian_4253612.html

CHINESE REGIME

The CCP ‘Will Kill as Many as It Has to Kill, to Preserve Its Power’: Historian

By Danella Pérez Schmieloz and David Zhang

 

February 3, 2022 Updated: February 3, 2022

biggersmaller 

Print

 

[Tomasz + 1,608]

The West really doesn't know what it wants from Russia and that is the real problem of the West.

Geopolitical mindset would dictate strongly to go together with Russia - against China.

On the other hand current western elite  feels so strong now wants to combat both members of the future Chinese-Russian alliance at the same time.

If Roosvelt would make such foreign policy he would declare war against Third reich and Soviet Union both at the same time.

USA was much more powerful in 1940s than its now. Look for example at % of global industrial production than and now.

There will be no conclusions for the time being  because nobody draws them but thats failed strategy.

Edited February 8, 2022 by Tomasz

[Tomasz + 1,608]

But lets seriously assume the final scenario is that the West imposes severe sanctions on Russia over Ukraine.

Lets assume OPEN DOOR policy is a most important stategy of the West and its totally unacceptable for Russia in a case of Ukraine entering NATO.

So as a result Russia, burdened with severe sanctions is forced to bet entirely on China. It becomes a vassal state of China, and thus the entire resources of Russian Siberia and the Russian Arctic begin to work for the needs of hungry China.

Because of Ukraine, which probably many Americans are not able even to indicate too much on the map.

Sounds good from a Western point of view against China?

Well, probably not too much.

So there will a an agreement over Ukraine.

Let us start with the fact that further deepening of the disputes between Russia and the West does not serve either side of the conflict

Well, we would have to assume that in the West and Russia, and more specifically in the USA and Russia, they are ruled by idiots themselves, who learned nothing during the Cold War confrontation.

In fact, there is a point in this, but there are also smart people there.

So it's hard to believe that when they pushed Russia into war with Ukraine, they didn't take into account what really  happened as a result of Georgian War in 2008.

In 2008, US credibility was hit very hard. It will not be otherwise this time, if Russia deploys its army in Ukraine and the US does military nothing but impose some sanctions, which will have no visible effect anyway.

Thus, in this case, both the credibility of the USA and NATO would suffer severely and Russia would lose a lot economically and PR as a result of the sanctions.

In addition, if all relations between Russia and Europe were severed, it would deprive Russia of an alternative and it would have to completely shift to cooperation with China, which would only strengthen China and surely is not in the interest of the West.

And here we come to the heart of the matter.

What if the US and the West and Russia are not concerned with further confrontation, and on the contrary, the West would like Moscow to be at least more neutral during the US-China economic war?

In that case, you have to offer Putin something, which he really cares about, and at the same time make it appear that none of the parties has even stepped down from its principled position, even by a millimeter.

The task is not generally easy, but if you think about it well, it is also not impossible to do.

We must first, with mutual efforts, raise the stakes in the narrative of the conflict to the limit of total war between Russia and the West, put the world public in front of the vision of a nuclear catastrophe, and then announce to the world that the crisis was finally overcome at the last moment, but the world was saved, and the President of the USA and Russia they deserve a peaceful Nobel Prize.

Of course all of this has to be done in mutual cooperation

You need to force Ukrainian to implement Minsk Agreements by both Russia military show and western histeria.

They need to announce they no longer wants to access NATO.

Not something like appeasement strategy  but they just dont want it anymore.

And thats it.

In Ukraine, there is quite a strong nationalist sentiment among some of the armed organizations, and Zelenski is afraid not to lose power by forcing agreements.

It must be played in such a way that the Minsk Agreements come into force and the Maidan number III is not there.

Putin's position is certainly much stronger than it was back in 2014.

in 2014, the commodity supercycle ended.

In 2021, it has only just begun and that is the difference.

The last thing Biden's team now wants before the mid-term election is oil at $ 150.

Edited February 8, 2022 by Tomasz

[frankfurter + 562]

4 hours ago, Tomasz said:

But lets seriously assume the final scenario is that the West imposes severe sanctions on Russia over Ukraine.

Lets assume OPEN DOOR policy is a most important stategy of the West and its totally unacceptable for Russia in a case of Ukraine entering NATO.

So as a result Russia, burdened with severe sanctions is forced to bet entirely on China. It becomes a vassal state of China, and thus the entire resources of Russian Siberia and the Russian Arctic begin to work for the needs of hungry China.

Because of Ukraine, which probably many Americans are not able even to indicate too much on the map.

Sounds good from a Western point of view against China?

Well, probably not too much.

So there will a an agreement over Ukraine.

Let us start with the fact that further deepening of the disputes between Russia and the West does not serve either side of the conflict

Well, we would have to assume that in the West and Russia, and more specifically in the USA and Russia, they are ruled by idiots themselves, who learned nothing during the Cold War confrontation.

In fact, there is a point in this, but there are also smart people there.

So it's hard to believe that when they pushed Russia into war with Ukraine, they didn't take into account what really  happened as a result of Georgian War in 2008.

In 2008, US credibility was hit very hard. It will not be otherwise this time, if Russia deploys its army in Ukraine and the US does military nothing but impose some sanctions, which will have no visible effect anyway.

Thus, in this case, both the credibility of the USA and NATO would suffer severely and Russia would lose a lot economically and PR as a result of the sanctions.

In addition, if all relations between Russia and Europe were severed, it would deprive Russia of an alternative and it would have to completely shift to cooperation with China, which would only strengthen China and surely is not in the interest of the West.

And here we come to the heart of the matter.

What if the US and the West and Russia are not concerned with further confrontation, and on the contrary, the West would like Moscow to be at least more neutral during the US-China economic war?

In that case, you have to offer Putin something, which he really cares about, and at the same time make it appear that none of the parties has even stepped down from its principled position, even by a millimeter.

The task is not generally easy, but if you think about it well, it is also not impossible to do.

We must first, with mutual efforts, raise the stakes in the narrative of the conflict to the limit of total war between Russia and the West, put the world public in front of the vision of a nuclear catastrophe, and then announce to the world that the crisis was finally overcome at the last moment, but the world was saved, and the President of the USA and Russia they deserve a peaceful Nobel Prize.

Of course all of this has to be done in mutual cooperation

You need to force Ukrainian to implement Minsk Agreements by both Russia military show and western histeria.

They need to announce they no longer wants to access NATO.

Not something like appeasement strategy  but they just dont want it anymore.

And thats it.

In Ukraine, there is quite a strong nationalist sentiment among some of the armed organizations, and Zelenski is afraid not to lose power by forcing agreements.

It must be played in such a way that the Minsk Agreements come into force and the Maidan number III is not there.

Putin's position is certainly much stronger than it was back in 2014.

in 2014, the commodity supercycle ended.

In 2021, it has only just begun and that is the difference.

The last thing Biden's team now wants before the mid-term election is oil at $ 150.

Ukraine is but a peon, and the conflict is entirely contrived.  The solution scope is very much greater than the Ukraine.

[bobo88 + 58]

On 12/3/2021 at 11:13 PM, Tomasz said:

On Taiwan issue, the US is getting louder verbally and weaker in real terms on the defense of the island against "reunification" with China.

The other two former major European greatpowers have reworked this case on the basis of the so-called Suez Crisis.

 We also have the Cuban crisis in Ukraine because the Russians will not allow anyone to play NATO troops in Ukraine.

Worse for West one day in the end Russia will go for Ukraine and the Chinese at the some time will go for Taiwan and it will  finally turn out that the king (hegemon) is naked.

You nailed it.  You called it back over 2 months ago.  "Russia will go for Ukraine"

"Worse for West one day in the end Russia will go for Ukraine and the Chinese at the some time will go for Taiwan and it will  finally turn out that the king (hegemon) is naked."

Nice call.

 

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

On 2/4/2022 at 2:44 AM, ronwagn said:

Australia needs to allow armed citizens aside from felons. Their military is too small to defend their country IMHO. 

They have signed AUKUS so they will have nuclear sub defence now, you dont need much more to be honest

[SUZNV + 1,197]

Both China and Russia has a very timing windows to get what they want with Ukraine and Taiwan. But I wouldn't think they risk doing it as the Western politicians can dump the whole recession blame on them and these incumbent politician  still got re elected.. 

The longer in delay, both China and Russia  demographic is worse. In China there is 3 reasons:

1  One child policy in the past.

2 Developing countries need cheap strong young labors than experience and the retirement age is quite young compares to developed countries, around 50-55 and their retirements will put on the youngster shoulder:

3 Youngster in China in "prosperous" time  think their parents are rich and they would no need to save. Most of China wealth for middle class come from Real Estate. Now with the verse of real estate bubble collapse there parents would not be as rich like before and less jobs  with higher inflation makes having kid is a big sacrifice along with 4 parents and maybe with grandmas, grandpas.

Not a good time to go to war after 10 years, so it is kind of it is now or never.  But if they wanted to do that regardless of what the West think, then they would do it brief and surprise, not demonstrating like this. 

Projecting the past China decades into the future is simply rencency bias. We have seen this before in every recession in history and Japan in 1990s. China is very likely falling into average income trap, getting old before getting rich. Labor is scare and  not cheap any more but the country is not rich enough to support growing retirement. Vietnam seems likely to fall into average income trap as well. Very few countries could do this in the past and the most recent one is Poland.

There is a tiny tiny chance China would invade Taiwan as they are Chinese and following capitalism so when red capitalism in China failed it promises that China would be rich, the broken dream people may not be happy at all so China can recklessly pull Taiwan down to the water as well and then the whole country would be sanctioned  and back to Mao era and farming would absorb unemployment labors(assuming they were right that the Western would not risk a WW3 to reset the economy).

When both Russia and China were in sanctioned, their attractiveness to each other eyes would drop because China would be no longer the world manufacturing bridge that Russia needs and China would need to have their own cheap oils while lack of USD because of the sanction , both wouldn't  risk a total war with the West so they would compete each other for Central Asia influence and Far East.   

So chill down, take out pop corns and watch these political clowns from the West, China and Russia acting if you want. I would be more worried about the economies after Covid19 than watching the show although caramel popcorn is my childhood favorite,

 

Edited February 8, 2022 by SUZNV

[ronwagn + 6,290]

11 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

They have signed AUKUS so they will have nuclear sub defence now, you dont need much more to be honest

Those subs will be nuclear powered and they won't be delivered for several years. Chinese airborne forces are a real threat in the North Australian coastal areas. Maybe you know better than I do though. 

[RichieRich216 + 454]

On 12/3/2021 at 10:28 PM, frankfurter said:

@ ronwagn.   run,run, the sky is falling !  

But where you should run is the big question.  For 4 years you had a demented president. Now you have a dementia president. This year alone, the number of murders in just one city, Chicago, is over 4100. You have 2 mass murders per day on average. Your country is polluted with poisoned waters, poisoned soils, poisoned air. Your people no longer know the difference between male and female, man and woman. Your fear and attention should be directed to your fellow citizen and how you could possibly help to make your country internally safe and livable. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

You have posted many times prior, you are in favour of the war mongering perpetrated by the USA. Americans cannot describe anything other than by terms of war. The fact the USA has murdered untold millions of people, means nothing to you. The fact the USA supports the ongoing genocide of the Palestinians, by ensuring they have insufficient food and water, by ensuring their waters are poisoned, means nothing to you. But the fact China and Russia give aid to such people, does mean something to you.

The destruction of your county is occurring within. Good men and women, who know the perdition, are silent, entirely too apathetic to speak and act. The US has unilaterally supported and commenced all wars since 1945: nobody else, the list is very long.  At some point, warmongers like you will make a grave mistake to commence another war, and cause the greatest war and destruction of all time. When that day arrives, which may be sooner than later, I hope you and others like you are on the front lines.

 

I believe what you fail to mention is after WWII; The United States forgave and loaned Billions to the Countries that started and lost the war. This above forgiveness does not include the Lend / Least program that was in place before and during the entry of the United States into the World War.

Throughout the Cold War after World War 2, we supported the micro conflicts around the globe. I am not defending that all we're just conflicts, but given that era, The political and different agencies within the United States had some wins and some defeats. It was most definitely a fucked up time in World History.

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

6 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Those subs will be nuclear powered and they won't be delivered for several years. Chinese airborne forces are a real threat in the North Australian coastal areas. Maybe you know better than I do though. 

Ron I think any sort of agression from China or anyone else against Australia would have immediate consequences with both the UK and USA deploying nuc subs to the area with immediate effect. Any country would be raving mad to try this and not expect an immediate response from the UK + USA. I am sure Australian national security is part of the deal until their own subs are built.

[Starschy + 211]

On 2/8/2022 at 4:26 PM, Rob Plant said:

They have signed AUKUS so they will have nuclear sub defence now, you dont need much more to be honest

Australia lacks money for their defence. Compare it Switzerland 5 Billion CHF. Australia 25 Billion AUD.  7690000 km, Switzerland rounded 42000, Germany 358000 km2, Military Budget 50 Billion EUR. A normal Budget for Australia would be in range 45-65 Billion AUD.

The actual Budget is to small even for the Navy. Its true that at least one third of Australia is a Nogo Aera meaning 40 degrees C and no Water.

Airforce 100 Combat fighters, another 70 are for support and the rest up to 250 are Trainings Airplanes.

Widest point is around 4000 km meaning you need at least 3 Airplanes at the same time to cover it and 250 km to the North. 

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

5 minutes ago, Starschy said:

Australia lacks money for their defence. Compare it Switzerland 5 Billion CHF. Australia 25 Billion AUD.  7690000 km, Switzerland rounded 42000, Germany 358000 km2, Military Budget 50 Billion EUR. A normal Budget for Australia would be in range 45-65 Billion AUD.

The actual Budget is to small even for the Navy. Its true that at least one third of Australia is a Nogo Aera meaning 40 degrees C and no Water.

Airforce 100 Combat fighters, another 70 are for support and the rest up to 250 are Trainings Airplanes.

Widest point is around 4000 km meaning you need at least 3 Airplanes at the same time to cover it and 250 km to the North. 

Your miles off!!

"Australia lacks money for their defence"?????? How so???? 

They are planning to spend way more than you suggest and is likely to be between $70b - $171b

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/14/australias-aukus-nuclear-submarines-estimated-to-cost-at-least-70bn

[Starschy + 211]

1 hour ago, Rob Plant said:

Your miles off!!

"Australia lacks money for their defence"?????? How so???? 

They are planning to spend way more than you suggest and is likely to be between $70b - $171b

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/14/australias-aukus-nuclear-submarines-estimated-to-cost-at-least-70bn

Those 171 Billion are for a 10 year period  at least. The Sipri data shows for 2022 a 27.5 Billion in USD. Australia will build those Submarines in Adelaide without the nuclear part. Meaning at least 4 additional years for the first 4 Subs 10 vs 6 years

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 2/3/2022 at 10:27 PM, surrept33 said:

Washington Post is doing better than ever. 

So is Jeff Bozos:

https://gizmodo.com/historic-bridge-may-be-dismantled-for-jeff-bezos-supery-1848467530

 

It is one thing to read a newspaper, and another thing to actually believe the stupidity that they print. You just need to review the articles in the Associated Press for free to get all of their political talking points. Many have seen all the networks repeating the same thing on Hannity from Fox News. It is hilarious, but also telling.

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

14 hours ago, Starschy said:

Those 171 Billion are for a 10 year period  at least. The Sipri data shows for 2022 a 27.5 Billion in USD. Australia will build those Submarines in Adelaide without the nuclear part. Meaning at least 4 additional years for the first 4 Subs 10 vs 6 years

Yes it will take 8-10 years to build these but in the mean time they will have Uk and USA nuclear subs protecting them.

Nobody is going to seriously threaten OZ now without serious retribution from the US and UK.

Great deal for OZ IMO

[footeab@yahoo.com + 2,194]

On 2/3/2022 at 5:16 PM, El Gato said:

It's the Washington Post, Owned by Bezos. Who takes it seriously anymore?

No one reads it.  Literally, no one.  They claim under 3 Million... Another source from their own documents shows ~250,000....  So...

Never read it once Bezos owned it.  Talk about a company that needs to be broken up(Amazon and Google) No one even quotes it anymore other than as a laugh. 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

https://www.theepochtimes.com/anti-xi-article-goes-viral-may-derail-xi-jinpings-plans-for-third-term_4274568.html

Anti-Xi Article Goes Viral, May Derail Xi Jinping’s Plans for Third Term

By Nicole Hao

 

February 13, 2022 Updated: February 13, 2022

[frankfurter + 562]

23 hours ago, ronwagn said:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/anti-xi-article-goes-viral-may-derail-xi-jinpings-plans-for-third-term_4274568.html

Anti-Xi Article Goes Viral, May Derail Xi Jinping’s Plans for Third Term

By Nicole Hao

 

February 13, 2022 Updated: February 13, 2022

Must you post trash continually?

The CCP has no infighting. The Russians are not about to invade Ukraine. This is all bs hype by your vile media to create a nervous world. Even if China were a democracy, you vile amurcuns would still claim the Chinese are your enemy, as you will oppose anyone and anything that can overcome your vile hegemony.  Iran was democracy, until your CIA destroyed it and installed the Shah. Chile was a democracy until your CIA destroyed it and installed your puppet Pinochet. Ukraine was a democracy until your CIA destroyed it and installed your puppet. You vile amurcuns do not even respect your own democracy. Yet YOU continue to give us your shitty rants. Please cease and decist.

 

[footeab@yahoo.com + 2,194]

2 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Must you post trash continually?

The CCP has no infighting. The Russians are not about to invade Ukraine. This is all bs hype by your vile media to create a nervous world. Even if China were a democracy, you vile amurcuns would still claim the Chinese are your enemy, as you will oppose anyone and anything that can overcome your vile hegemony.  Iran was democracy, until your CIA destroyed it and installed the Shah. Chile was a democracy until your CIA destroyed it and installed your puppet Pinochet. Ukraine was a democracy until your CIA destroyed it and installed your puppet. You vile amurcuns do not even respect your own democracy. Yet YOU continue to give us your shitty rants. Please cease and decist.

 

#1 Democracy without morals is no better than any other form of government. 

#2 CCP has infighting.  Everyone has infighting.  Stop the lies.  Only time there is not infighting is when everyone is subjugated under an iron boot or dead.  So, if the later, then the CCP needs to be taken down.  If Communist, needs to be taken down.  IF Socialist/Fascist, needs to be taken down.  If Oligarchy, needs to be taken down.  If Democratic, but turns into an oligarchy, needs to be taken down. 

No, USA did not destroy Chile or Ukraine government anymore than Argentina or Venezuela or Cuba or USSR or Cambodia or China.  Iran... Ok... of course see, statement #1 followed by statement #2.  Why?  Scum thugs always band together to cover their sins.  Most of human history is nothing but scum thugs banding together enslaving everyone.  Last couple hundred years is very odd in human history.  I Like this oddity.  So do you, but you are too cowardly to admit it. 

Frankfurter, grow a pair of balls and call dictator scum, scum... But you can't, as you are a paid CCP operative and know, if you do, you will have your ass thrown in jail without a key. 

Adios

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 2/15/2022 at 2:26 AM, footeab@yahoo.com said:

#1 Democracy without morals is no better than any other form of government. 

#2 CCP has infighting.  Everyone has infighting.  Stop the lies.  Only time there is not infighting is when everyone is subjugated under an iron boot or dead.  So, if the later, then the CCP needs to be taken down.  If Communist, needs to be taken down.  IF Socialist/Fascist, needs to be taken down.  If Oligarchy, needs to be taken down.  If Democratic, but turns into an oligarchy, needs to be taken down. 

No, USA did not destroy Chile or Ukraine government anymore than Argentina or Venezuela or Cuba or USSR or Cambodia or China.  Iran... Ok... of course see, statement #1 followed by statement #2.  Why?  Scum thugs always band together to cover their sins.  Most of human history is nothing but scum thugs banding together enslaving everyone.  Last couple hundred years is very odd in human history.  I Like this oddity.  So do you, but you are too cowardly to admit it. 

Frankfurter, grow a pair of balls and call dictator scum, scum... But you can't, as you are a paid CCP operative and know, if you do, you will have your ass thrown in jail without a key. 

Adios

Frankfurter is a waste of time. Just annoying.