China's aggression is changing the nature of sovereignty.

[frankfurter + 562]

Fact: Children are the future of any country.  Here is how the great champion of human rights treats its children... as lab rats...

CDC Confirms Heart Inflammation Cases in Kids after Pfizer Jabs

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has confirmed 8 of 14 reported cases of myocarditis in 5–11-year-olds given a Pfizer Covid jab - but hasn’t disclosed whether it believes there is a link between vaccines and heart trouble.

The CDC also didn’t reveal the standard rate of myocarditis among unvaccinated children in the age group, which has been given over 7mn doses of Covid vaccinations so far.

The FDA flagged concerns over the risk of the potentially fatal heart condition at the October approval of Pfizer jabs for 5–11-year-olds but decided the benefits “would outweigh the risks”.

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13 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Fact: Children are the future of any country.  Here is how the great champion of human rights treats its children... as lab rats...

CDC Confirms Heart Inflammation Cases in Kids after Pfizer Jabs

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has confirmed 8 of 14 reported cases of myocarditis in 5–11-year-olds given a Pfizer Covid jab - but hasn’t disclosed whether it believes there is a link between vaccines and heart trouble.

The CDC also didn’t reveal the standard rate of myocarditis among unvaccinated children in the age group, which has been given over 7mn doses of Covid vaccinations so far.

The FDA flagged concerns over the risk of the potentially fatal heart condition at the October approval of Pfizer jabs for 5–11-year-olds but decided the benefits “would outweigh the risks”.

Frankie where's the love? My good man you have benefited from US technology and commerce more than any country in the world. Now take notice.. I did not say theft of IP. 

I find it quite odd a country would vilify the nation that it built itself upon. But then again youthful brash arrogance generally finds itself picking itself up off its lower anatomy...

Now back to attitudes, they can be quite inspirational.

[Tomasz + 1,608]

As US-PRC relations get worse, who knows? Maybe Japanese slaughter of Chinese will be seen positively by Americans.

I think that  something similar is possible in the Wests’s relations with Russia; as relations get worse, Russia will end up getting blamed for the Holocaust.

For now we only have "POLISH DEATHS CAMPS" = it means german deaths camps located in Poland. You know Germans are cool nowadays Poles are not.

IIRC, Richard Pipes, the most distinguished 20thC US scholar of Russia, blamed the USSR for WWII. Only a short leap from there to blaming Russia for the Holocaust.Found it: Pipes said Hitler’s rise, and by extension, WWII, was the fault of…the Soviet Union.

China is now a designated enemy of the US and Western civilization. So, no real downside to "rehabilitating" Imperial Japan. For similar reasons, I believe that responsibility for the Holocaust will be steadily reassigned from Germany to Russia in coming decades.

 

 

Edited December 20, 2021 by Tomasz

[frankfurter + 562]

11 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Frankie where's the love? My good man you have benefited from US technology and commerce more than any country in the world. Now take notice.. I did not say theft of IP. 

I find it quite odd a country would vilify the nation that it built itself upon. But then again youthful brash arrogance generally finds itself picking itself up off its lower anatomy...

Now back to attitudes, they can be quite inspirational.

Yet another incorrect ignoramus. REAL benefits came from Germany, France, Italy, Japan, Taiwan, Netherlands, Russia.  Extremely little tech benefits came from the USA, and all was in the form of obsolete, low-tech; and came 30 years ago. NO advanced US tech has ever been used by China. China benefits the most from US?  BS. Japan benefits the most, proven by the past 50 years.  China is built upon US? Bro, you are delusional.

[Starschy + 211]

The Chinese are far more flexible as the US.

Metric System China moved from their own to Metric 1984.

Mobile 3and 4G China used the European standard which is fare superior to US. The 5G is more or less Huawei protected with thousand of patents.

[Tomasz + 1,608]

Honestly, it is not the world that has a problem with Chinese aggression, but solely the US is extremely desperate to remain the world's hegemon.

So never ending story about some Chinese aggression? What aggression outside of Tibet?

 After World War II, Americans murdered at least a few million people in their perpetual wars and will they instruct us about Chinese aggression?

I have no problem with China as an citizen in a country 7,000 kilometers from nearest Chinas border.

And I don't give a shit about the US main problem of losing the fight for global hegemony.

[frankfurter + 562]

5 hours ago, Tomasz said:

As US-PRC relations get worse, who knows? Maybe Japanese slaughter of Chinese will be seen positively by Americans.

I think that  something similar is possible in the Wests’s relations with Russia; as relations get worse, Russia will end up getting blamed for the Holocaust.

For now we only have "POLISH DEATHS CAMPS" = it means german deaths camps located in Poland. You know Germans are cool nowadays Poles are not.

IIRC, Richard Pipes, the most distinguished 20thC US scholar of Russia, blamed the USSR for WWII. Only a short leap from there to blaming Russia for the Holocaust.Found it: Pipes said Hitler’s rise, and by extension, WWII, was the fault of…the Soviet Union.

China is now a designated enemy of the US and Western civilization. So, no real downside to "rehabilitating" Imperial Japan. For similar reasons, I believe that responsibility for the Holocaust will be steadily reassigned from Germany to Russia in coming decades.

 

 

Pipes is an ignorant SOB.  The western history books are lies.  Stalin did not start WW2: Zionists in Britain did. Hitler did not rise because of the USSR: he rose because of; devastating reparations demanded by UK and France; and the fear of Bolshevism.  The Bolsheviks were Jews, and had committed slaughter after slaughter of the ethnic Russian people.  This is well documented in Russian history books; books the West bans entirely from universities and scholastic research.  US historians are the most ignorant I have ever encountered.  The Zionist leaders at that time were calling for the death of Germans, and to impoverish them to be the goyim slaves of the Jews.  Hitler was first to strike Poland with mass weapons, but Stalin was in Poland with 'expeditionary' troops before Hitler.  Those Soviet troops was one reason why Hitler invaded Poland; to ensure the Corridor would be under Germany's control.  Stalin was thus first to violate the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. The UK was instrumental in the annexation of the Sudentenland, and the carving of Czechoslovakia into pieces to be returned to the former Austo-Hungary regions. The UK gave Hitler assurances the UK would not object to Hitler's annexation of the Corridor, a region populated over 90% by ethnic Germans, and which was carved away from Germany by the USA/UK/France at the end of WW1. Following Hitler's invasion of the western Poland, the UK declared war upon Germany. Hitler tried on many occasions to have that declaration rescinded, for his fight was not against the UK or France, but against Bolshevism. The UK refused. Fact: two countries invaded Poland, Germany and USSR, but England declared war upon one country solely. Guess why?

[frankfurter + 562]

1 hour ago, Tomasz said:

Honestly, it is not the world that has a problem with Chinese aggression, but solely the US is extremely desperate to remain the world's hegemon.

So never ending story about some Chinese aggression? What aggression outside of Tibet?

 After World War II, Americans murdered at least a few million people in their perpetual wars and will they instruct us about Chinese aggression?

I have no problem with China as an citizen in a country 7,000 kilometers from nearest Chinas border.

And I don't give a shit about the US main problem of losing the fight for global hegemony.

Tibet.  Notice how the west portrays this as Chinese aggression, 70-80 years ago. its BS, lies.  The aggressor was firstly, Britain, and secondly, Indian lordships.  Britain tried to move troops into Tibet ca 1900. Those troops were very sparse, so Indian troops were used and stationed there. Prior to the UK invasion, Tibet had been an autonomous region under Imperial China rule for hundreds of years. True, at one time a Kingdom of Tibet was present, but the Dalai was aligned to China, not the Hindu and Muslim lordships. The Dalai saw the Hindus and Muslims as invaders and entirely against his religion. China respected his position and religion, and gave him support. When the PRChina was formed, the PRC demanded the UK withdraw all troops and return Tibet to China's governance. The UK refused and convinced the then Dalai that the communists would depose him in a brutal campaign.  PRChina sent troops to regain and liberate territory that was populated by ethnic Chinese people; a region that has been ethnic Chinese for a thousand years.  The West labels this as aggression; but China labels this as rightful return, liberation from Western oppressors.  Fast forward to today, and we see the ethnic peoples of Tibet are thriving with modern health care, education, infrastructure, power, abundant foods, no poverty, no slavery, freedom to hold their Buddhist faith, and increasing population. Compare this to the Indian dominated countries; poverty, lack of basics, illiteracy, short life spans.  

Isn't it interesting to see the West label China as aggressor, for a liberation 75 years ago, when the West invaded and occupied China for 200 years, notably the UK brutal occupation and apartheid of Hong Kong 75 years ago ?   75 years ago; PRChina = evil; but the UK = angel?

total BS.

 

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4 hours ago, frankfurter said:

The western history books are lies.  Stalin did not start WW2: Zionists in Britain did.

I knew we'd get the blame at some point

Didnt the Germans invade Poland? 

C'mon Frankie enough of your BS now and stop smoking that crack pipe!

Edited December 20, 2021 by Rob Plant

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

2 hours ago, frankfurter said:

notably the UK brutal occupation and apartheid of Hong Kong 75 years ago

Haha yeah all those in HK are just loving CCCP rule now arent they

Jeez you are waaaaaay beyond biased

[frankfurter + 562]

1 hour ago, Rob Plant said:

Haha yeah all those in HK are just loving CCCP rule now arent they

Jeez you are waaaaaay beyond biased

dunno. You think HK Chinese enjoyed the brutal apartheid rule of the UK masters?  Prior to handover, HK was a UK colony: not a democracy, no self-determination. The handover created the HK Basic Law: a system the UK would not grant to the HK Chinese prior, and which PRChina has abided.  The handover was not intended to establish an independent country.  The colour revolution attempted and funded by the USA did not receive the widespread support your media has lied you to believe.  During that attempt, certain HK kids were grossly misled and committed acts of murder and theft. They are now brought to account, just like they would be anywhere else. HK residents are free to leave to seek greener pasture elsewhere. Guess what? How many are leaving? a trickle. the UK has opened its arms to HK? really? Who is permitted to immigrate? Only those very very few with sufficient wealth, in the $millions.  The UK is such a great little country to treat its former subjects so graciously.

[Tom Nolan + 2,443]

Americans and much of Europe are silly stupid. 

China is condemned as an Authoritarian State which monitors the population through their phones and facial recognition.  The population is tracked and their ability to participate in the economy is tied to their phone ID.

Yet, the western world is voluntarily trying to become like China.  All online data in the western world for each individual is being harvested on each individual.  The Vaccine Passports are the deceptive step towards implementing the same social control which China has on its population.

It is beyond me that most people do not recognize that we are rapidly headed towards the same totalitarian status as China.

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

1 hour ago, frankfurter said:

dunno. You think HK Chinese enjoyed the brutal apartheid rule of the UK masters?  Prior to handover, HK was a UK colony: not a democracy, no self-determination. The handover created the HK Basic Law: a system the UK would not grant to the HK Chinese prior, and which PRChina has abided.  The handover was not intended to establish an independent country.  The colour revolution attempted and funded by the USA did not receive the widespread support your media has lied you to believe.  During that attempt, certain HK kids were grossly misled and committed acts of murder and theft. They are now brought to account, just like they would be anywhere else. HK residents are free to leave to seek greener pasture elsewhere. Guess what? How many are leaving? a trickle. the UK has opened its arms to HK? really? Who is permitted to immigrate? Only those very very few with sufficient wealth, in the $millions.  The UK is such a great little country to treat its former subjects so graciously.

Utter BS and you know it

Why do you spout so many lies? Its pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that the vast majority of HK citizens wish to be back under the umbrella of the UK so they have their freedoms back. Its never going to happen unfortunately for them. I pity those HK citizens. Those young people were not murderers or thieves as you portray but citizens fighting for the liberty they once enjoyed under British rule. They arent allowed to leave HK by the CCP are you stupid or something? The UK opened its borders to 5 million people from Hong Kong!! I'm pretty sure they arent all millionaires as you stupidly claim! Its just a crying shame they arent allowed to leave, prisoners in their own country, very sad!

Are you totally brainwashed by the CCP or do you have a little of your self awareness and morality left in there somewhere?

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

57 minutes ago, Tom Nolan said:

It is beyond me that most people do not recognize that we are rapidly headed towards the same totalitarian status as China.

Well said Tom and lets face it who would want that?

Hong Kong citizens sure as hell dont enjoy the freedoms they once had under British rule, they can only dream of that now.

Edited December 20, 2021 by Rob Plant

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

1 hour ago, frankfurter said:

dunno. You think HK Chinese enjoyed the brutal apartheid rule of the UK masters?  Prior to handover, HK was a UK colony: not a democracy, no self-determination. The handover created the HK Basic Law: a system the UK would not grant to the HK Chinese prior, and which PRChina has abided.  The handover was not intended to establish an independent country.  The colour revolution attempted and funded by the USA did not receive the widespread support your media has lied you to believe.  During that attempt, certain HK kids were grossly misled and committed acts of murder and theft. They are now brought to account, just like they would be anywhere else. HK residents are free to leave to seek greener pasture elsewhere. Guess what? How many are leaving? a trickle. the UK has opened its arms to HK? really? Who is permitted to immigrate? Only those very very few with sufficient wealth, in the $millions.  The UK is such a great little country to treat its former subjects so graciously.

4 major things the British did for Hong Kong

1. The rule of law

2. The civil service

3. Economic freedom

4. Democratisation

These key four points enabled Hong Kong to become a liberal society with a vibrant economy whilst their people were allowed to enjoy their freedoms and the opportunities this gave them.

How sad it is today!

Edited December 20, 2021 by Rob Plant

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16 hours ago, Tomasz said:

As US-PRC relations get worse, who knows? Maybe Japanese slaughter of Chinese will be seen positively by Americans.

I think that  something similar is possible in the Wests’s relations with Russia; as relations get worse, Russia will end up getting blamed for the Holocaust.

For now we only have "POLISH DEATHS CAMPS" = it means german deaths camps located in Poland. You know Germans are cool nowadays Poles are not.

IIRC, Richard Pipes, the most distinguished 20thC US scholar of Russia, blamed the USSR for WWII. Only a short leap from there to blaming Russia for the Holocaust.Found it: Pipes said Hitler’s rise, and by extension, WWII, was the fault of…the Soviet Union.

China is now a designated enemy of the US and Western civilization. So, no real downside to "rehabilitating" Imperial Japan. For similar reasons, I believe that responsibility for the Holocaust will be steadily reassigned from Germany to Russia in coming decades.

 

 

Yea well, WWII was the fault of the USSR... and Germany, Italy, Romania, Hungary, Japan... and no one is rehabilitating Imperial Bushido code Japan.  And WWI... Germany/Austrohungary empire  who had both been busy inflating their currency and was running out.  Serbia was getting too big, and Russia was Eyeing the Balkans and was about to move.  ... Shall we continue backwards forever?

[footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190]

On 12/18/2021 at 9:15 PM, frankfurter said:

CNN One-on-One...Bill de Blasio: Take away money & freedoms then people get vaccinated

“If you say, ‘Your paycheck depends on it, or your ability to enjoy life, and go do the things you want to do,’ people will make the practical decision,”

You call this human rights?

Repeat: Shanghai has 28mm people average per day, with zero homeless, zero tents, zero feces on streets. Given you admit LA is a shithole, why do you persist to claim China is a shithole when the facts prove otherwise? 

The English language has a word for your mental state: demented.

 

 

That is the problem with Democracy, even Shithole Authoritarian Socialist/Communists can get elected.

One must be always vigilant to protect freedom.  It is NOT free. 

[pscoughlin + 8]

On 12/12/2021 at 1:33 PM, Piotr Berman said:

Tomasz: I think it is reasonable to consider the division of Ukraine between the East and the West sphere of infuence traditionally on the Dnieper river.

With  Kiev in the  Russia sphere zone. The sacred place of Russian Orthodoxy, the so-called Pechersk Lavra, must sooner or later find itself in the Russian mir. 

----

This is complicated, and you can look at Belgium: two populations with scarce friendship between them, and yet hard to split.  But there is a rationale: Ukraine sufficiently Russian to be treated very stingily by the West, and sufficiently anti-Russian to loose industries that relied on common supply chains and markets with Russia, and get cold treatment this coming winter.  Too weak to stand alone, and de-facto, friendless.  IMHO, officially neutral Ukraine would be in a much better position, Finland and Austria are doing fine, after all.

Piotr yours is a thoughtful and interesting reply to Tomasz.  I agree about the influence of Ukraine being along the East/West line of the Dnieper but I would respectfully disagree with Kyiv being in the Russian sphere simply based on the presence of the Lavra (which by the way is an amazing place for those who have never visited) and ties to Russian Orthodoxy. I usually hear an equal mixture of Ukrainian/Russian spoken in Kyiv and discussions on the subject can get quite heated. Maybe the historical context of Kyivan-Rus would be a more accurate unifying measure but I would agree that it would be difficult to separate Orthodoxy from its founding.

Your point about a neutral Ukraine is spot on.  I believe if NATO would abandon plans for Ukraine and we could somehow get a Russian assurance of no more land grabbing then most Ukrainians would be content with continuing the historical relationship with Moscow.  I will agree that this relationship has not always been favorable to Ukraine and there will always be individuals on the ends of the spectrum who will be unhappy. Ukraine definitely has some legitimate grievances that need to be addressed. But I believe the average Ukrainian would go back to the status of pre-2014 given the opportunity.

[frankfurter + 562]

8 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

4 major things the British did for Hong Kong

1. The rule of law

2. The civil service

3. Economic freedom

4. Democratisation

These key four points enabled Hong Kong to become a liberal society with a vibrant economy whilst their people were allowed to enjoy their freedoms and the opportunities this gave them.

How sad it is today!

Impossible to discuss anything with morons who deny facts.

Law?  UK colonial law. Imposed law. Locals had zero input to the formation of laws.

Service? UK Governor. Imposed.  Only the lowest positions were held. The top positions were held by the UK colonialists.

Freedom? Locals were never granted UK passports. Media? Controlled and censored by the governor. Banking? Controlled by one bank, and only one bank, HSBC, which was and is controlled by London. To this day, the HK currency is an HSBC note, not a government note.

Democracy? Never. Suffrage was never permitted in the UK colony. Locals never had the right to self-determination.

[frankfurter + 562]

9 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Utter BS and you know it

Why do you spout so many lies? Its pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that the vast majority of HK citizens wish to be back under the umbrella of the UK so they have their freedoms back. Its never going to happen unfortunately for them. I pity those HK citizens. Those young people were not murderers or thieves as you portray but citizens fighting for the liberty they once enjoyed under British rule. They arent allowed to leave HK by the CCP are you stupid or something? The UK opened its borders to 5 million people from Hong Kong!! I'm pretty sure they arent all millionaires as you stupidly claim! Its just a crying shame they arent allowed to leave, prisoners in their own country, very sad!

Are you totally brainwashed by the CCP or do you have a little of your self awareness and morality left in there somewhere?

Facts.  HK was a colony. Never had suffrage. Never had democracy. No HK resident had a UK passport.  Today, any HK resident may leave, freely.

Facts.  In 1980, the population of HK was 5 million.  Today, 7.5 million.  A growth of 50%  Yet you claim the UK alone has absorbed 5 million from HK?   Bro, you need help.

 

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,554]

6 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

That is the problem with Democracy, even Shithole Authoritarian Socialist/Communists can get elected.

One must be always vigilant to protect freedom.  It is NOT free. 

Winston Churchill

Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”

[Hotone + 412]

1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Winston Churchill

Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”

 

8 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

That is the problem with Democracy, even Shithole Authoritarian Socialist/Communists can get elected.

One must be always vigilant to protect freedom.  It is NOT free. 

How hard are you going to protect your freedoms?  Your freedom will be different from other Americans' freedom.  Does this mean you are willing to go to war?  Is this what you mean by not the end?  This is scary shit!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-civil-war-violence-professor-ucsd-b1979333.html?amp

https://youtu.be/6AS11SbvLmM

 

 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 12/19/2021 at 9:05 PM, Tomasz said:

As US-PRC relations get worse, who knows? Maybe Japanese slaughter of Chinese will be seen positively by Americans.

I think that  something similar is possible in the Wests’s relations with Russia; as relations get worse, Russia will end up getting blamed for the Holocaust.

For now we only have "POLISH DEATHS CAMPS" = it means german deaths camps located in Poland. You know Germans are cool nowadays Poles are not.

IIRC, Richard Pipes, the most distinguished 20thC US scholar of Russia, blamed the USSR for WWII. Only a short leap from there to blaming Russia for the Holocaust.Found it: Pipes said Hitler’s rise, and by extension, WWII, was the fault of…the Soviet Union.

China is now a designated enemy of the US and Western civilization. So, no real downside to "rehabilitating" Imperial Japan. For similar reasons, I believe that responsibility for the Holocaust will be steadily reassigned from Germany to Russia in coming decades.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

3 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Facts.  HK was a colony. Never had suffrage. Never had democracy. No HK resident had a UK passport.  Today, any HK resident may leave, freely.

Facts.  In 1980, the population of HK was 5 million.  Today, 7.5 million.  A growth of 50%  Yet you claim the UK alone has absorbed 5 million from HK?   Bro, you need help.

 

The CCP broke the treaty they had with England that guaranteed rights to Hong Kong for a given time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration

[ronwagn + 6,290]

3 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Impossible to discuss anything with morons who deny facts.

Law?  UK colonial law. Imposed law. Locals had zero input to the formation of laws.

Service? UK Governor. Imposed.  Only the lowest positions were held. The top positions were held by the UK colonialists.

Freedom? Locals were never granted UK passports. Media? Controlled and censored by the governor. Banking? Controlled by one bank, and only one bank, HSBC, which was and is controlled by London. To this day, the HK currency is an HSBC note, not a government note.

Democracy? Never. Suffrage was never permitted in the UK colony. Locals never had the right to self-determination.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–2020_Hong_Kong_protests