China's aggression is changing the nature of sovereignty.

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On 12/22/2021 at 1:47 AM, ronwagn said:

Because that is how communist puppet governments work. 

When somebody tried to protest in HK under the British colonial administration, they shot them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Hong_Kong_riots

51 people! And nobody bat an eyelid! This is how Anglosphere zombified puppets work. They were all Communist sympathizers, you see!

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/16/world/asia/hong-kong-1967-riots.html

This is supposed to make it somehow all right for you, as I know? No Communist government was ever as bad as you, but he British actually were. Anything else is a propaganda construct. I was actually there. And also in US in the 90-ties. Never seen a regime as not-free and oppressive in my life! Yes, compared to late USSR, which was quite benign. If you believe in anything else, there is nothing to discuss, you've been brainwashed for good. That I also know. The American zombie box never stops playing advertising tune for you being the land of the free, but you are ANYTHING BUT. You practically live in an Orwellian piece, only worse. I pity you all, who actually seriously thinks black is white and visa versa.

Back to the British colonial administration of HK, it also never seizes to amaze me how everybody (including HKers themselves) somehow thinks that it somehow stood for democratic governance and everything best. Since when that did happen?!? They simply sent all the officials from Britain! The locals had no rights at all, which got to be a lot less than CCP allows now, no matter how you cut it.

 

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5 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

When somebody tried to protest in HK under the British colonial administration, they shot them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Hong_Kong_riots

51 people! And nobody bat an eyelid! This is how Anglosphere zombified puppets work. They were all Communist sympathizers, you see!

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/16/world/asia/hong-kong-1967-riots.html

This is supposed to make it somehow all right for you, as I know? No Communist government was ever as bad as you, but he British actually were. Anything else is a propaganda construct. I was actually there. And also in US in the 90-ties. Never seen a regime as not-free and oppressive in my life! Yes, compared to late USSR, which was quite benign. If you believe in anything else, there is nothing to discuss, you've been brainwashed for good. That I also know. The American zombie box never stops playing advertising tune for you being the land of the free, but you are ANYTHING BUT. You practically live in an Orwellian piece, only worse. I pity you all, who actually seriously thinks black is white and visa versa.

Back to the British colonial administration of HK, it also never seizes to amaze me how everybody (including HKers themselves) somehow thinks that it somehow stood for democratic governance and everything best. Since when that did happen?!? They simply sent all the officials from Britain! The locals had no rights at all, which got to be a lot less than CCP allows now, no matter how you cut it.

 

You speak truth.  But you will never convince the morons here of your views.

 

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For the bigots and morons here at OilPrice, shown below is the exact text of the Joint Declaration for the handover of Hong Kong.

This text has not a single word of democracy. Democracy is never mentioned. HK was never a democracy: it was a UK colony. The UK handed over a colony, not a democracy.

The declaration states PR China will take full sovereignty and control over defence and foreign affairs. THE UK AGREED TO THIS, UNCONDITIONALLY.

Only bigots and morons would argue the black and white text.

Full Text of Sino-British Joint Declaration

Joint Declaration of the Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Government of the People's Republic of China on the Question of Hong Kong.

The Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Government of the People's Republic of China have reviewed with satisfaction the friendly relations existing between the two Governments and peoples in recent years and agreed that a proper negotiated settlement of the question of Hong Kong, which is left over from the past, is conducive to the maintenance of the prosperity and stability of Hong Kong and to the further strengthening and development of the relations between the two countries on a new basis.

To this end, they have, after talks between the delegations of the two Governments, agreed to declare as follows:

1. The Government of the People's Republic of China declares that to recover the Hong Kong area (including Hong Kong Island, Kowloon and the New Territories, hereinafter referred to as Hong Kong) is the common aspiration of the entire Chinese people, and that it has decided to resume the exercise of sovereignty over Hong Kong with effect from 1 July 1997.

2. The Government of the United Kingdom declares that it will restore Hong Kong to the People's Republic of China with effect from 1 July 1997.

3. The Government of the People's Republic of China declares that the basic policies of the People's Republic of China regarding Hong Kong are as follows:

(1) Upholding national unity and territorial integrity and taking account of the history of Hong Kong and its realities, the People's Republic of China has decided to establish, in accordance with the provisions of Article 31 of the Constitution of the People's Republic of China, a Hong Kong Special Administrative Region upon resuming the exercise of sovereignty over Hong Kong.

(2) The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region will be directly under the authority of the Central People's Government of the People's Republic of China. The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region will enjoy a high degree of autonomy, except in foreign and defence affairs which are the responsibilities of the Central People's Government.

(3) The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region will be vested with executive, legislative and independent judicial power, including that of final adjudication. The laws currently in force in Hong Kong will remain basically unchanged.

(4) The Government of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region will be composed of local inhabitants. The chief executive will be appointed by the Central People's Government on the basis of the results of elections or consultations to be held locally. Principal officials will be nominated by the chief 1/3 executive of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region for appointment by the Central People's Government. Chinese and foreign nationals previously working in the public and police services in the government departments of Hong Kong may remain in employment. British and other foreign nationals may also be employed to serve as advisers or hold certain public posts in government departments of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region.

(5) The current social and economic systems in Hong Kong will remain unchanged, and so will the life-style. Rights and freedoms, including those of the person, of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of travel, of movement, of correspondence, of strike, of choice of occupation, of academic research and of religious belief will be ensured by law in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region. Private property, ownership of enterprises, legitimate right of inheritance and foreign investment will be protected by law.

(6) The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region will retain the status of a free port and a separate customs territory.

(7) The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region will retain the status of an international financial centre, and its markets for foreign exchange, gold, securities and futures will continue. There will be free flow of capital. The Hong Kong dollar will continue to circulate and remain freely convertible.

(8) The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region will have independent finances. The Central People's Government will not levy taxes on the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region.

(9) The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region may establish mutually beneficial economic relations with the United Kingdom and other countries, whose economic interests in Hong Kong will be given due regard.

(10) Using the name of 'Hong Kong, China', the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region may on its own maintain and develop economic and cultural relations and conclude relevant agreements with states, regions and relevant international organisations. The Government of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region may on its own issue travel documents for entry into and exit from Hong Kong.

(11) The maintenance of public order in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region will be the responsibility of the Government of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region.

(12) The above-stated basic policies of the People's Republic of China regarding Hong Kong and the elaboration of them in Annex I to this Joint Declaration will be stipulated, in a Basic Law of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China, by the National People's Congress of the People's Republic of China, and they will remain unchanged for 50 years.

4. The Government of the United Kingdom and the Government of the People's Republic of China declare that, during the transitional period between the date of the entry into force of this Joint Declaration and 30 June 1997, the Government of the United Kingdom will be responsible for the administration of Hong Kong with the object of maintaining and preserving its economic prosperity and social stability; and that the Government of the People's Republic of China will give its cooperation in this connection.

5. The Government of the United Kingdom and the Government of the People's Republic of China declare that, in order to ensure a smooth transfer of government in 1997, and with a view to the effective implementation of this Joint Declaration, a Sino-British Joint Liaison Group will be set up when this Joint Declaration enters into force; and that it will be established and will function in accordance with the provisions of Annex II to this Joint Declaration.

6. The Government of the United Kingdom and the Government of the People's Republic of China declare that land leases in Hong Kong and other related matters will be dealt with in accordance with the provisions of Annex III to this Joint Declaration.

7. The Government of the United Kingdom and the Government of the People's Republic of China agree to implement the preceding declarations and the Annexes to this Joint Declaration.

8. This Joint Declaration is subject to ratification and shall enter into force on the date of the exchange of instruments of ratification, which shall take place in Beijing before 30 June 1985. This Joint Declaration and its Annexes shall be equally binding.

Done in duplicate at Beijing on 19 December 1984 in the English and Chinese languages, both texts being equally authentic.

 

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10 hours ago, frankfurter said:

You speak truth.  But you will never convince the morons here of your views.

 

Have a read Frank...Speaking of morons..

Don’t forget the atrocities committed by the Chinese Communist Party over the last 100 years

In the memoirs of Mao Tsetung’s personal physician, Dr Zhisui Li’s The Private Life of Chairman Mao, he records that Mao “did not care” when millions of people were dying during the Great Famine. Recalling Mao’s ruthlessness, Dr Li wrote: “In 1957, in a speech in Moscow, Mao said he was willing to lose 300 million people – half of China’s population. Even if China lost half its population, Mao said, the country would suffer no great loss. We could produce more people.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/chinese-communist-party-xi-jinping-uyghur-b1973573.html

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On 12/23/2021 at 12:58 AM, TailingsPond said:

History tends to repeat itself.  A second civil war is not unthinkable especially after Trump's (now undeniable) coup attempt.

The "south" will lose again.

If that is all it takes for US to experience a coup attempt, I sincerely wish you experience the real thing soon. Everybody deserves a dose of their own medicine once in a while.

Edited December 24, 2021 by Andrei Moutchkine

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

On 12/21/2021 at 9:55 AM, Rob Plant said:

Yes its pretty obvious that the Honk Kong people really love the fact their freedoms have been revoked by the CCP. @frankfurterAre all these people just out for a Sunday afternoon stroll or do they wish for the freedoms they once had when under British rule? Any and all old colonies we are more than happy to give full control back, just ask Barbados!!

In an identical situation, the British colonial administration simply shot everybody dead

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Hong_Kong_riots

So, there weren't really any freedoms under the British rule that one could take away to start with, The British simply sent all the government officials and the police from the "mainland" You've got an audacity to even compare yourself to the benevolent Chinese rule now. Alas, the "softpower superpower" is still good at brainwashing the more feeble minds, but fear the moment the world is going to wake up and see your true face.

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

On 12/20/2021 at 9:06 PM, footeab@yahoo.com said:

That is the problem with Democracy, even Shithole Authoritarian Socialist/Communists can get elected.

One must be always vigilant to protect freedom.  It is NOT free. 

Not in Europe. US has rigged the system such that it can't happen, as one of the strings attached to the Marshall Plan.  Things have changed since. The European Greens appear to be the new US/UK bet on spoiling any genuine left-wing political force.

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

On 12/21/2021 at 10:37 AM, Rob Plant said:

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/hong-kong-sentencing-captain-america-activist-exposes-dangerously-disproportionate?utm_source=google&utm_medium=grant&utm_campaign=&utm_content=activist hong kong

https://bitterwinter.org/all-elections-in-hong-kong-are-now-meaningless/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-48607723

https://www.vox.com/world/2019/8/22/20804294/hong-kong-protests-9-questions

The protests all started because of amendments to Hong Kong's extradition law which was non-negotiable by the CCP

The protests then developed into a pro democracy movement that was brutally crushed by force.

They wanted to extradite a murderer who slashed up his pregnant girlfriend. Nothing to negotiate there. But of course, with HK offering refuge to every kind of financial criminal hiding from the Chinese, some feathers got ruffled. With UK offering unconditional refuge to those now, they will join your motley collection of financial criminals of Londongrad and turncoat intelligence agents of every stripe who pretend to be genuine political dissidents in Russia.

There was no democracy whatsoever in HK under British administration. UK simply sent all the government officials and armed police.

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21 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Spoken as the true Imperialist you are. 

It's called CAPITALIST

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

14 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

It's called CAPITALIST

No contradiction at all

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism,_the_Highest_Stage_of_Capitalism

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8 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

No contradiction at all

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism,_the_Highest_Stage_of_Capitalism

Author

Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov^[b] (22 April [O.S. 10 April] 1870 – 21 January 1924), better known by his alias Lenin,^[c] was a Russian revolutionary, politician, and political theorist. He served as the first and founding head of government of Soviet Russia from 1917 to 1924 and of the Soviet Union from 1922 to 1924. Under his administration, Russia, and later the Soviet Union, became a one-party socialist state governed by the Soviet Communist Party. A Marxist, he developed a variant of communist ideology known as Leninism.

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17 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

When somebody tried to protest in HK under the British colonial administration, they shot them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Hong_Kong_riots

51 people! And nobody bat an eyelid! This is how Anglosphere zombified puppets work. They were all Communist sympathizers, you see!

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/16/world/asia/hong-kong-1967-riots.html

This is supposed to make it somehow all right for you, as I know? No Communist government was ever as bad as you, but he British actually were. Anything else is a propaganda construct. I was actually there. And also in US in the 90-ties. Never seen a regime as not-free and oppressive in my life! Yes, compared to late USSR, which was quite benign. If you believe in anything else, there is nothing to discuss, you've been brainwashed for good. That I also know. The American zombie box never stops playing advertising tune for you being the land of the free, but you are ANYTHING BUT. You practically live in an Orwellian piece, only worse. I pity you all, who actually seriously thinks black is white and visa versa.

Back to the British colonial administration of HK, it also never seizes to amaze me how everybody (including HKers themselves) somehow thinks that it somehow stood for democratic governance and everything best. Since when that did happen?!? They simply sent all the officials from Britain! The locals had no rights at all, which got to be a lot less than CCP allows now, no matter how you cut it.

 

Russians Have Suddenly Stopped Buying Putin’s Anti-American Propaganda

https://news.yahoo.com/russians-suddenly-stopped-buying-putin-095011765.html

/ 

When John McCain calls Putin a “thug and a murderer” this is what he’s talking about

https://qz.com/862764/heres-a-list-of-abuses-in-vladimir-putins-russia/

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Author

Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov^[b] (22 April [O.S. 10 April] 1870 – 21 January 1924), better known by his alias Lenin,^[c] was a Russian revolutionary, politician, and political theorist. He served as the first and founding head of government of Soviet Russia from 1917 to 1924 and of the Soviet Union from 1922 to 1924. Under his administration, Russia, and later the Soviet Union, became a one-party socialist state governed by the Soviet Communist Party. A Marxist, he developed a variant of communist ideology known as Leninism.

Predicted today's globalization patterns and the charming ways of transnational finance capital to the letter.

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

25 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Russians Have Suddenly Stopped Buying Putin’s Anti-American Propaganda

https://news.yahoo.com/russians-suddenly-stopped-buying-putin-095011765.html

/ 

When John McCain calls Putin a “thug and a murderer” this is what he’s talking about

https://qz.com/862764/heres-a-list-of-abuses-in-vladimir-putins-russia/

 

 

Does Yahoo News pay its contributors? Anna used to be a DW-exclusive. She is the daughter of Nemtsov Putin allegedly had whacked. There are no "drumbeats for war with Ukraine" On the contrary, do the official government sources deny even that there is any troop maneuvering happening. They can't be doing both at the same time, can they?

Late John McCain had most of his brain scooped out. Amazing that he lived as long as he did, but not obvious that he recognized any stimuli other than "Russia" anymore.

Edited December 24, 2021 by Andrei Moutchkine

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2 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Have a read Frank...Speaking of morons..

Don’t forget the atrocities committed by the Chinese Communist Party over the last 100 years

In the memoirs of Mao Tsetung’s personal physician, Dr Zhisui Li’s The Private Life of Chairman Mao, he records that Mao “did not care” when millions of people were dying during the Great Famine. Recalling Mao’s ruthlessness, Dr Li wrote: “In 1957, in a speech in Moscow, Mao said he was willing to lose 300 million people – half of China’s population. Even if China lost half its population, Mao said, the country would suffer no great loss. We could produce more people.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/chinese-communist-party-xi-jinping-uyghur-b1973573.html

uh, what has this to do with whether HK was or is a democracy? HK was a UK colony? The protests were controlled by HK POLICE, not by PRC staff. The PRC has full sovereignty over HK. etc.

Morons cannot comprehend the Declaration or HK Basic Law, so they resort to their agenda of hatred, and refer to single events taken out of context and that may or may not be proven.  You are among the group who state incessantly you believe facts are proven by 'likelihood' and 'reason to believe' and whatnot.  Another in your group posts a map of China dating over 2000 years past, as if such is relevant to today.

Morons believe propaganda more than facts.  Your quote proves the propaganda and your idiocy.  Mao was referring to the price of China sovereignty, independence, and resistance to US sanctions. True, the CCP embarked upon the great leap forward, which did result in errors. Grave errors. But the cost of those errors would have been far less if the country had not suffered a drought for 4 years. Are YOU able to predict when a drought shall come?

Compounding China's woes was the USA. The USA blocked China's funds, so she could not pay for oil, medicines, and other critical resources. The USA blocked other countries from trading with China, and went so far to block humanitarian aid. The USA sanctioned China for over 30 years.  I know this for facts.  During China's drought, Canada had bumper crops of wheat, legumes, and others. So much, the harvests could not be distributed and rotted in the silos. Due to Canada's 'boards' and 'quotas', farmers were paid. Canada offered to donate millions of tons of foods to China. The USA blocked all shipments. THIS is what Mao was referring, when he asked the Chinese people to stand resolute and strong.

You are too ill-educated and indoctrinated in your hated, so you are blind to the truth, willfully so. People like you are a great danger to the world, for you cannot accept truths, and will cause wars and famines to ensure your dominance over others.

 

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42 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Does Yahoo News pay its contributors? Anna used to be a DW-exclusive. She is the daughter of Nemtsov Putin allegedly had whacked. There are no "drumbeats for war with Ukraine" On the contrary, do the official government sources deny even that there is any troop maneuvering happening. They can't be doing both at the same time, can they?

Late John McCain had most of his brain scooped out. Amazing that he lived as long as he did, but not obvious that he recognized any stimuli other than "Russia" anymore.

He hated Trump as much as Putin. He wanted to be top dog but wasn't up to it. He was a self centered hothead. Putin is cool and calculating. 

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1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Author

Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov^[b] (22 April [O.S. 10 April] 1870 – 21 January 1924), better known by his alias Lenin,^[c] was a Russian revolutionary, politician, and political theorist. He served as the first and founding head of government of Soviet Russia from 1917 to 1924 and of the Soviet Union from 1922 to 1924. Under his administration, Russia, and later the Soviet Union, became a one-party socialist state governed by the Soviet Communist Party. A Marxist, he developed a variant of communist ideology known as Leninism.

More proof of Moron?  In your mind, you link Lenin to China. uh, obviously you are not aware Lenin never set foot in China.

During World War I Lenin went into exile again, this time taking up residence in Switzerland. During this period he wrote and published Imperialism, The Highest Stage of Capitalism (1916), a defining work for the future leader, in which he argued that war was the natural result of international capitalism. I suspect the book will be beyond you, but Lenin's points are prescient, for the world has indeed suffered numerous wars in the name of capitalism and democracy, and the book outlines what will be your fate.

 

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3 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Have a read Frank...Speaking of morons..

Don’t forget the atrocities committed by the Chinese Communist Party over the last 100 years

In the memoirs of Mao Tsetung’s personal physician, Dr Zhisui Li’s The Private Life of Chairman Mao, he records that Mao “did not care” when millions of people were dying during the Great Famine. Recalling Mao’s ruthlessness, Dr Li wrote: “In 1957, in a speech in Moscow, Mao said he was willing to lose 300 million people – half of China’s population. Even if China lost half its population, Mao said, the country would suffer no great loss. We could produce more people.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/chinese-communist-party-xi-jinping-uyghur-b1973573.html

People like you are the most evil, vile, in history. Your government plundered and pillaged Afghanistan, and has left 23 million people destitute. To compound the evil, your government has stolen the Afghan funds and is now holding $ billions in your accounts. Your government will not release the funds to the rightful owners, so 23 million people are now facing starvation. You espouse constantly the virtues of democracy and representative government, so the wilful starvation of 23mm people is YOUR action.

Your act to starve 23mm people is TODAY, not 75 years ago, and it is WILFUL, not fortuitous.  I see nothing from you hinting you ever pause to think about this crime.  What we do get from you is rant and rave bordering upon lunacy.

 

 

[Hotone + 412]

On 12/17/2021 at 6:41 PM, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Ah, poor guy, you got proven wrong by your own hyperlink and you tried "what aboutism" for FAIL #2. 

PS: Yes, LA is a Shithole.  Glad we agree.

 

It's not only LA, I think major cities in America have a problem.  This guy is comparing the infrastructure between New York, which is the richest city in America, with a city in the poorest province of China.  The result is shocking.

https://youtu.be/5iPDxjocKOw

Mind you, while American cities are in full decay, outside, in the suburban and affluent areas, and rural areas, I am sure America is much better off than China

[ronwagn + 6,290]

15 minutes ago, Hotone said:

It's not only LA, I think major cities in America have a problem.  This guy is comparing the infrastructure between New York, which is the richest city in America, with a city in the poorest province of China.  The result is shocking.

https://youtu.be/5iPDxjocKOw

Mind you, while American cities are in full decay, outside, in the suburban and affluent areas, and rural areas, I am sure America is much better off than China

Los Angeles is still a fantastic place. The main problem with it is socialists and their dupes. I dislike cities, but am very familiar with Los Angeles and most of Southern California. 

[frankfurter + 562]

10 minutes ago, Hotone said:

It's not only LA, I think major cities in America have a problem.  This guy is comparing the infrastructure between New York, which is the richest city in America, with a city in the poorest province of China.  The result is shocking.

https://youtu.be/5iPDxjocKOw

Mind you, while American cities are in full decay, outside, in the suburban and affluent areas, and rural areas, I am sure America is much better off than China

Suicides among USA farmers is highest in world, and increasing yearly.  yup, rural USA must be better than China.  USA poverty is increasing, middle class is collapsing. China poverty is decreasing, middle class is rising. USA citizens access to health care is decreasing, insurance premiums rising, to the point 30% of Americans have NO health care insurance. China citizens have health care, 100% of citizens, 100% covered.  USA is now woke, where men are women, women are men, and some are its; where education is now based upon race;  where universities prosecute those who dare to claim freedom of speech; where demented and dementia people are elected to be leaders; and the majority of what was once sane people do not care. yup. America must be the greatest place on Earth. 

[Boat + 1,325]

29 minutes ago, frankfurter said:

Suicides among USA farmers is highest in world, and increasing yearly.  yup, rural USA must be better than China.  USA poverty is increasing, middle class is collapsing. China poverty is decreasing, middle class is rising. USA citizens access to health care is decreasing, insurance premiums rising, to the point 30% of Americans have NO health care insurance. China citizens have health care, 100% of citizens, 100% covered.  USA is now woke, where men are women, women are men, and some are its; where education is now based upon race;  where universities prosecute those who dare to claim freedom of speech; where demented and dementia people are elected to be leaders; and the majority of what was once sane people do not care. yup. America must be the greatest place on Earth. 

Yet the worlds leading tech companies come from the US. Here is something you never had.

https://youtu.be/ltkp4u-1iAA

[Boat + 1,325]

See that old man? His entire life has been free to thrive. That organ player would kick any Chinese or Russian butt. Lol

[Boat + 1,325]

Here is another old man that shows why worring about punk Putin is a worthless endeavor. 
 

https://youtu.be/OEimvG6sHoU

[Hotone + 412]

10 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Los Angeles is still a fantastic place. The main problem with it is socialists and their dupes. I dislike cities, but am very familiar with Los Angeles and most of Southern California. 

What about New York?  Did you watch the video about condition of the New York metro?😱 Don't you find it shocking?  Please bear in mind, New York has the most EXPENSIVE metro in the world, costing  3.5 Billion per mile of track!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-construction-costs.html

In contrast, I read somewhere that Shanghai's metro cost is only 33 Million per km, although that may be an old statistic.