Meredith Poor + 895 MP December 22, 2021 WTF? Capture CO2 out of the air, 'electrolyze' it to make CO (Carbon Monoxide), let it sit in an airtight tank at room temperature, and it spontaneously converts to CO2 and graphite. Anyone that needs graphite can pretty much make it out of 'thin air'. Any analyst that is proclaiming that there is a 'shortage' of graphite should be sent back to nursery school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markslawson + 1,058 ML December 22, 2021 18 hours ago, Meredith Poor said: WTF? Capture CO2 out of the air, 'electrolyze' it to make CO (Carbon Monoxide), let it sit in an airtight tank at room temperature, and it spontaneously converts to CO2 and graphite. Anyone that needs graphite can pretty much make it out of 'thin air'. Any analyst that is proclaiming that there is a 'shortage' of graphite should be sent back to nursery school. MP - I think there has been some confusion over the type of graphite. Note this article the graphite required occurs naturally. It must be difficult to make. I didn't know that there are different types of graphite until I looked..  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 December 24, 2021 On 12/21/2021 at 8:56 PM, Meredith Poor said: WTF? Capture CO2 out of the air, 'electrolyze' it to make CO (Carbon Monoxide), let it sit in an airtight tank at room temperature, and it spontaneously converts to CO2 and graphite. Anyone that needs graphite can pretty much make it out of 'thin air'. Any analyst that is proclaiming that there is a 'shortage' of graphite should be sent back to nursery school. WTH? You can make gold in a nuclear reactor, just need mercury... Or you can mine it... Hint for ivory tower ignorants, Graphite is mined... Not "created" Do you DO anything, or just sit in your ivory tower and pretend to be a chemist? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meredith Poor + 895 MP December 24, 2021 6 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Hint for ivory tower ignorants, Graphite is mined... Not "created" Do you DO anything, or just sit in your ivory tower and pretend to be a chemist? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudouard_reaction I would use the word 'precipitated'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Gagen + 713 December 24, 2021 9 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: WTH? You can make gold in a nuclear reactor, just need mercury... Or you can mine it... Hint for ivory tower ignorants, Graphite is mined... Not "created" Do you DO anything, or just sit in your ivory tower and pretend to be a chemist? graphite can be mined OR manufactured. Mined graphite is preferred at the moment because cheap labor in China makes it the lowest cost. However graphite can be manufactured to meet specifications from coal, or from petroleum coke, and with the correct specifications for EV production, and it has been done in the past - it just depends on how cheap the feedstock is compared to the cost of chinese mined graphite. https://www.televisory.com/blogs/-/blogs/can-lithium-ion-anode-demand-for-needle-coke-reduce-availability-for-electrode-players-   Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL December 24, 2021 29 minutes ago, Eric Gagen said: graphite can be mined OR manufactured. Mined graphite is preferred at the moment because cheap labor in China makes it the lowest cost. However graphite can be manufactured to meet specifications from coal, or from petroleum coke, and with the correct specifications for EV production, and it has been done in the past - it just depends on how cheap the feedstock is compared to the cost of chinese mined graphite. https://www.televisory.com/blogs/-/blogs/can-lithium-ion-anode-demand-for-needle-coke-reduce-availability-for-electrode-players-   Although using a fossil fuel source of any kind will rile up the Green extremists and invite legal bans against the source...just reality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 December 25, 2021 7 hours ago, Eric Gagen said:  However graphite can be manufactured to meet specifications from coal, or from petroleum coke, and with the correct specifications for EV production, and it has been done in the past - it just depends on how cheap the feedstock is compared to the cost of chinese mined graphite. https://www.televisory.com/blogs/-/blogs/can-lithium-ion-anode-demand-for-needle-coke-reduce-availability-for-electrode-players-   That is mined. Mr. Ivory tower is proposing making graphite from the 🙄AIR🤣.. + heat... as if that is even close to economic reality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meredith Poor + 895 MP December 25, 2021 14 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: That is mined. Mr. Ivory tower is proposing making graphite from the 🙄AIR🤣.. + heat... as if that is even close to economic reality Since you seem to be an expert on economic reality, what is the difference in cost? Where are you getting your information? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Gagen + 713 December 25, 2021 On 12/24/2021 at 12:12 PM, Ecocharger said: Although using a fossil fuel source of any kind will rile up the Green extremists and invite legal bans against the source...just reality. Again, as we discussed in a different thread. It's not a fossil fuel source for this purpose. It's a source of raw materials. I mean, you can burn mined graphite just like coal too (it's pure carbon). It's just that it's special physical properties make it to valuable to use in that way most of the time.  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Gagen + 713 December 25, 2021 18 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: That is mined. Mr. Ivory tower is proposing making graphite from the 🙄AIR🤣.. + heat... as if that is even close to economic reality That's my point - it's not worth trying to do. There are literally billions of tons a year of petroleum coke and good quality coal mined or produced as byproducts every year. We will use these before resorting to esoteric chemical conversion processes to get graphite.  1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeyboardWarrior + 527 December 26, 2021 On 12/21/2021 at 10:56 PM, Meredith Poor said: WTF? Capture CO2 out of the air, 'electrolyze' it to make CO (Carbon Monoxide), let it sit in an airtight tank at room temperature, and it spontaneously converts to CO2 and graphite. Anyone that needs graphite can pretty much make it out of 'thin air'. Any analyst that is proclaiming that there is a 'shortage' of graphite should be sent back to nursery school. Yea we don't have facilities that do this, and we won't build them because it doesn't make any sense financially.  Also, there's an EV boom? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeyboardWarrior + 527 December 26, 2021 5 hours ago, Eric Gagen said: That's my point - it's not worth trying to do. There are literally billions of tons a year of petroleum coke and good quality coal mined or produced as byproducts every year. We will use these before resorting to esoteric chemical conversion processes to get graphite.  Ahhhh this. Right here.  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites