Tomasz + 1,608 January 27, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ronwagn said: The free people of Ukraine have a strong voice and a right to defend their freedom against the aggression of the Russian bear that has treated them so cruelly in the past. I suggest all of you reading article below. Maybe 3 times if you need. Says it all whats really going on diplomatically now. I even bold for you the most important part of ongoing diplomaacy between Russia and West nowadays War guide Why the Minsk agreements will not become peaceful in any way The countries of the "Normandy format" returned to the discussion of the Minsk agreements. There is nothing new and sensational in this fact itself, but the context has changed: for the first time, the West is almost openly putting pressure on Kiev in the matter of following the agreements. However, this does not guarantee the success of the negotiations. “Kommersant” figured out why the seemingly simple plan to end the war in the Donbass is almost impossible. US President Joe Biden and his administration officials have recently appeared more interested in Ukraine's implementation of the Minsk agreements than Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky The meeting of political advisers to the leaders of the Normandy Format countries in Paris on January 26 is news from the category of scarce news. The negotiations broke down in August, and since then the situation around the Donbass and Ukraine in general has only heated up . Reports of a concentration of Russian troops near the borders of a neighboring country, satellite images of field camps set up outweighed Moscow's assurances that it was not going to attack Ukraine. Russia counterattacked with statements that Kiev could take a forceful solution to the problem of uncontrolled territories. The restart of the Normandy Format had an antipyretic effect . Andriy Yermak, head of the office of the President of Ukraine, called it a "powerful signal", announced that Kiev was ready to discuss every point of the Minsk agreements, and expressed hope for a constructive dialogue. Moscow, however, refrained from making any predictions about the meeting. Coincidentally or not, this time the Paris talks will be held on the same day as the first meeting of the Trilateral Contact Group this year to resolve the situation in eastern Ukraine. This means that if compromises are reached, political advisers will be able to promptly bring them to the representatives of the parties in the contact group. According to Kommersant's information, Kiev intended to submit for discussion by its Quartet colleagues its finalized draft of the so-called key clusters for the implementation of the Minsk agreements. The term "clusters" appeared in negotiations at the end of 2020 at the suggestion of Germany and France. To move forward the stalled negotiation process, Berlin and Paris proposed dividing the “Package of Measures for the Implementation of the Minsk Agreements” into clusters, agreeing them within the “Normandy Four” and then lowering them to the level of the Trilateral Contact Group (TCG) to resolve the situation in eastern Ukraine to prepare on their basis of the final peace settlement plan. But the process of discussing clusters by the spring of 2021 also reached an impasse . As a result, according to an informed interlocutor of Kommersant, during a telephone conversation between Messrs. Yermak and Kozak (Dmitry Kozak, deputy head of the presidential administration of the Russian Federation) in the first half of January, the latter insisted that it was necessary not to multiply documents, but to discuss what had been lying for a long time. on the table, that is, the Minsk agreements. Just to the point of impossibility Moscow, Kommersant's interlocutors participating in the negotiation process in Russian government agencies, are assured that it has a position that it has not changed since the Minsk agreements appeared: they should be implemented to the point and in the form in which they were signed. And it is up to Kiev and Donbass to do this. The Minsk agreements are a package of documents. But Russia always has only one in mind: "A set of measures to implement the Minsk agreements." This is important because the first of them, the protocol agreed on September 5, 2014, never specifies who the contracting parties in the conflict are. For example, its first paragraph reads: "Ensure an immediate bilateral cessation of the use of weapons," but to whom this refers is not deciphered. A clear indication of this appeared only in the “Package of Measures…”, agreed in February 2015. It already clearly states that the Ukrainian side and the armed formations of certain areas of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions (ORDLO) should withdraw their forces. The negotiation subjectivity of CADLO is also fixed in other points. The special status of Donbass within Ukraine should be coordinated with Donetsk and Luhansk, the issue of adopting a law on local self-government in ORDLO and holding local elections there should be resolved according to the same scheme. The restoration by Kiev of control over the segment of the border with Russia, which was lost in 2014, should again take place “in consultations and in agreement” with representatives of ORDLO within the framework of the TCG. Moscow considers the “Package of Measures…” its important diplomatic victory for two reasons. Although Russia's participation in the Donbass conflict is obvious, and it does not hide its support for the unrecognized DPR and LPR, there are no documents fixing any obligations of the Russian side regarding the settlement. Secondly, the “Complex of Measures…” gained the weight of an international document — it was approved by the UN Security Council Resolution No. 2202 of February 17, 2015. If the “Complex of Measures…” was signed with the approval of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, which the current Ukrainian government constantly blames him for, then in 2019 Volodymyr Zelensky officially agreed with this document. At the Paris summit in the Normandy format in December 2019, he, together with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French and Russian Presidents Emmanuel Macron and Vladimir Putin, approved the final document of the meeting, which states that the Minsk agreements are the basis of the work of the Normandy format. Despite this, in the past two years, Kiev has repeatedly raised the issue of the need to revise the document or at least change the sequence of implementation of its points. In particular, to swap the holding of local elections in ODRLO and the restoration of control over the border (according to the Minsk agreements, first elections, and then control). The Kremlin and the Russian Foreign Ministry did not even agree to discuss this. The meaning of the sequence of points is to first create a government recognized by Kiev in the ODRLO, and with its own power component in the form of a people's militia, and only then transfer the border to the disposal of the central government. “The sequence of points was scrupulously worked out. A smooth transition is prescribed so that one step does not anticipate another, but provides preparation and prerequisites for moving forward, ”one of the Russian negotiators explained to Kommersant. For Kiev, the implementation of the "Complex of Measures ..." is a big problem. Any movement forward can be perceived as a capitulation by the passionate and nationalist part of Ukrainian society, which is easy to rise to the Maidan, which in recent years has been repeatedly demonstrated by noisy actions under the walls of the office of the head of state. The team of Mr. Zelensky and himself take these sentiments into account. This, among other things, explains the change that happened to the Ukrainian leader less than a year after he was elected president. He came to power in the guise of a peacemaker and promised to bring a speedy and lasting peace. But pretty soon he became a "hawk". Abroad will not help It is more difficult and more painful to move from hawkish positions in the opposite direction than vice versa: any step in this direction is read as a surrender of positions. This happened with the recent withdrawal from the Verkhovna Rada of the bill "On the state policy of the transitional period", which, among other things, assumed the legislative consolidation of the status of an "aggressor state" for Russia. The bill, severely criticized by Moscow, was withdrawn by the Ukrainian government on Monday, on the eve of the Paris meeting of the Normans, thus fulfilling the Russian demand. Kiev has previously refused such concessions. But now the context has changed. Moscow has raised the stakes sharply, and not just through a show of force. In February, the State Duma is preparing to consider an appeal from the Communist Party faction to President Vladimir Putin to recognize the independence of the DNR and LNR. The signal can be deciphered as follows: if Russia continues to be called a party to the conflict and demand from it the implementation of the Minsk agreements, which, among other things, stipulate the granting of a special status to Donbass, then it can fulfill them, granting such a status at its discretion. But the point here is not only Moscow's intransigence. The West has actively joined the process. On the one hand, the US and the EU threaten Russia with consequences if it encroaches on the territorial integrity of Ukraine or uses force against its neighbor, but on the other hand, they are playing a diplomatic game and are already clearly trying to influence Kiev on the implementation of the Minsk agreements. US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken spoke openly about this. He called the document the only way to resolve the conflict and spoke out against its revision. Kommersant's diplomatic interlocutors confirm that Washington is working with the Ukrainian authorities to move the negotiations forward. Insiders even make cautious assumptions that things may come to a substantive discussion of the autonomy of Donbass. It is difficult to perceive the negotiations on Donbass separately from the discussion between Russia and the West on security guarantees launched against the backdrop of the expectation of a real big war. Although it concerns security in the broadest sense, the Ukrainian issue is not in last place. For Moscow, the maximum program is to permanently close Ukraine's road to NATO. Moreover, the alliance itself must guarantee this. But such a concession would be too humiliating for the West and does not look very realistic. Another thing is the reintegration of Donbass into Ukraine on special conditions prescribed in the Minsk agreements. Formally, neither the US, nor the EU, nor NATO concedes anything here: the Ukrainian authorities are responsible for themselves. But it is clear that in this scenario, ORDLO will become a serious obstacle on the way of Kiev to the Euro-Atlantic structures, which may suit Russia. It remains to explain to the Ukrainian authorities why they need to agree to everything. Vladimir Solovyov Edited January 27, 2022 by Tomasz 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 January 27, 2022 12 minutes ago, ronwagn said: You are one of those who have advocated against natural gas, am I wrong? Since when? I am the one who has consistently pointed out that NG is effectively INFINITE and only an extraction technique to get it off the north slope is required. There are literally thousands of cubic kilometers of the stuff frozen in place even before we talk about sea floor extraction let alone conventional. I quit pointing out the obvious to the idiot renewable fools. Fools, who play make believe that the sun shines in the winter and there is no such thing as a Winter High system(s) creating near ZERO wind over continental scales during January/February in Europe, North America, Asia. 100% of said peak power for roughly 1 month at minimum MUST come from NG, Coal, Nuclear, Hydro, Garbage burning even if you have several times the inverse Capacity factor of wind+solar for peak total load. Are the fools building pumped hydro storage @ 80% retention? No. Are they planning for gargantuan increases in Pumped Hydro storage.... No. Are the fools building gargantuan NG storage sites as their backup when wind does not blow and sun does not shine? --?>> NO. Are the fools piling up there garbage to ONLY burn when the wind does blow and sun does not shine? .... NO Are the fools piling up coal to ONLY burn when the wind goes down, sun does not shine? .... NO Are the fools planning on retaining coal for when the wind does not blow for a month and neither does the sun shine? NO Are the fools planning on increasing nuclear power that can idle for long periods of time? NO The problem is that WILLING fools get to vote too. Thankfully, USA has not completely gone into stupidity like Europe. Let them destroy themselves... Of course the number of abject willfully ignorant fools is increasing here as well. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 January 27, 2022 (edited) On 1/26/2022 at 6:15 AM, ronwagn said: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/01/25/as-markets-crash-and-war-fears-grow-russias-business-elite-suffers-in-silence-a76142 As Markets Crash and War Fears Grow, Russia’s Business Elite Suffers in Silence Some of the country’s most successful executives are preparing for heavy losses, but unable to speak out or influence events. Markets crashed not in Russia only. Warmongering is specific to your Goebbels media. Nobody in Russia or Ukraine believes in impeding war. Edited January 29, 2022 by Andrei Moutchkine 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 January 27, 2022 On 1/26/2022 at 3:15 PM, Tomasz said: So much of the intractability of current crisis is rooted in denial of reality: - Ukraine will never join NATO/EU - Crimea will never return to Ukraine - Weapons sales to Ukraine will not thwart Russian aggression - Sanctions will not deter Putin - NATO will not fight for Ukraine This is not a pleasant for West reality to admit but it is one that is undeniable and demonstrates the limits of Western power (and interests) You missed the obvious: Ukraines borders are nebulous. Yes, original Minsk Agreements used the USSR's borders. Of course said borders are rather... irrelevant as said internal borders never had much significance anyways. Here is obvious, Russia wanted a larger corridor protecting the Volga-Don Sea of Azov corridor. Period. Took Crimea: Crimea... who knows, they aren't Russian, but said peoples have been kicked around to so many empires over the years they probably just roll with it and it is embedded culturally. Never met anyone from Crimea so have no idea if that is true or not. Russia saw 75% Ethnic Russians in Eastern Regions of Ukraine and wanted its territory. Stirred up rebellion as Ukraine isn't exactly a great place to live financially and boom took Donetsk... No, Russia nor any other country can tell anyone else if they wish to join with another country/ ally itself. Now, said country may be STUPID to do so in the short or long outlook, but that is THEIR decision. Just as it is the OTHER countries decision to ally themselves to said country or not. No, there will NEVER be an agreement to NOT allow Ukraine to join NATO. Even if there was such an agreement, it would be violated whenever anyone wanted to do so as it means nothing to Ukraine, the only country which matters and said agreement truly means nothing to the other countries as well. After all Russia just grabbed portions of Georgia, Crimea, Donetsk, after signing the Minsk agreements. Clearly said agreements mean nothing. Anyone saying otherwise is a.... FOOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 January 27, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, ronwagn said: notsonice, I want to give you kudos for your intent but we must realize that Putin is a brutal dictator and has many who secretly would like him to disappear. The Russian people are as good as any other people and lost millions of people to German aggression. We must appeal to the average Russian. The same is true for all dictatorships including in China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Iran, etc. The average Russian people are OK with Putin, they elected him. What they do hate is your phoney moralizing. When will you finally choke on it, already? The only thing we want to disappear is USA. Edited January 27, 2022 by Andrei Moutchkine 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 January 27, 2022 2 hours ago, ronwagn said: Please invest in the ruble if you want to lose money. Putin is destroying it for the Russian people. Would you deal with your own shit first before getting your very long nose into ours? Check out #bareshelvesbiden on Twitter. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tomasz + 1,608 January 28, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: The average Russian people are OK with Putin, they elected him. What they do hate is your phoney moralizing. When will you finally choke on it, already? The only thing we want to disappear is USA. Well if you lived in Russia in 90' mess .Remembering great hopes. There was supposed to be a common Europe and great help from the West for a democratic Russia. Instead there was a shock without therapy and gangster capitalism. There was no help from the West, but the speculators came of course. There was supposed to be a common future but the West began from the very beginning to beat the loser. A very sobering lesson for the future and Putin himself. Not to mention not one inch eastward becuase its only part of this disilusionment. Nobody just likes to feel like a gullible sucker like the people of Russia in the late 1980s. No wonder they are probably the most negative attitutude against the West now. Edited January 28, 2022 by Tomasz 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 January 28, 2022 https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Russias-Increasingly-Aggressive-Geopolitical-Maneuvering.html Russia's Increasingly Aggressive Geopolitical Maneuvering By Editorial Dept - Jan 21, 2022, 1:00 PM CST Join Our Community Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 January 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tomasz said: Well if you lived in Russia in 90' mess .Remembering great hopes. There was supposed to be a common Europe and great help from the West for a democratic Russia. Instead there was a shock without therapy and gangster capitalism. There was no help from the West, but the speculators came of course. There was supposed to be a common future but the West began from the very beginning to beat the loser. A very sobering lesson for the future and Putin himself. Not to mention not one inch eastward becuase its only part of this disilusionment. In other words Russia stole the freedom of all those in Eastern Europe and left when it could no longer hold its prisoners. Then it was taken over by the KGB and they sliced up all the businesses in Russia and Putin gained complete control with the help of his crony AKA fascist buddies. The Russian people gained very little. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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ronwagn + 6,290 January 28, 2022 3 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Since when? I am the one who has consistently pointed out that NG is effectively INFINITE and only an extraction technique to get it off the north slope is required. There are literally thousands of cubic kilometers of the stuff frozen in place even before we talk about sea floor extraction let alone conventional. I quit pointing out the obvious to the idiot renewable fools. Fools, who play make believe that the sun shines in the winter and there is no such thing as a Winter High system(s) creating near ZERO wind over continental scales during January/February in Europe, North America, Asia. 100% of said peak power for roughly 1 month at minimum MUST come from NG, Coal, Nuclear, Hydro, Garbage burning even if you have several times the inverse Capacity factor of wind+solar for peak total load. Are the fools building pumped hydro storage @ 80% retention? No. Are they planning for gargantuan increases in Pumped Hydro storage.... No. Are the fools building gargantuan NG storage sites as their backup when wind does not blow and sun does not shine? --?>> NO. Are the fools piling up there garbage to ONLY burn when the wind does blow and sun does not shine? .... NO Are the fools piling up coal to ONLY burn when the wind goes down, sun does not shine? .... NO Are the fools planning on retaining coal for when the wind does not blow for a month and neither does the sun shine? NO Are the fools planning on increasing nuclear power that can idle for long periods of time? NO The problem is that WILLING fools get to vote too. Thankfully, USA has not completely gone into stupidity like Europe. Let them destroy themselves... Of course the number of abject willfully ignorant fools is increasing here as well. Then we are in full agreement. I am for "all of the above." Unfortunately the Greens are in partial control of the majority party so it is questionable if Germany will do much of anything. The Greens also have a voice throughout much of Europe. Lack of investment in fossil fuels is a real threat to the development of fossil fuels worldwide. I am not a friend of coal unless it is badly needed and there are no better options. Britain seems to have leadership as bad as America right now. That will change in ten months. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 January 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: Markets crash not in Russia only. Warmongering is specific to your Goebbels media. Nobody in Russia or Ukraine believes in war. The Russian leadership have been great propagandists since the Bolsheviks. Anyone should know that. If Trump was in power, we might have worked something out. Russia is testing the Democrats under Biden. Biden is only a placeholder. Our Military Industrial complex together with our Deep State is in charge now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 January 28, 2022 30 minutes ago, Tomasz said: Well if you lived in Russia in 90' mess .Remembering great hopes. There was supposed to be a common Europe and great help from the West for a democratic Russia. Instead there was a shock without therapy and gangster capitalism. There was no help from the West, but the speculators came of course. There was supposed to be a common future but the West began from the very beginning to beat the loser. A very sobering lesson for the future and Putin himself. Not to mention not one inch eastward becuase its only part of this disilusionment. Putin is a megalomaniac. If he spent some of his and his cronies gold on the Russian people their lives would be far better. They have no freedom and no democracy. Democracy in Russia is an old fable. They are fed state propaganda with no options. Freedom of assembly does not exist in Russia. We face some of the same problems in America but we are trying to stop the would be totalitarians and are making progress. Our Deep State is working with them because they want total control too. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 January 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: Would you deal with your own shit first before getting your very long nose into ours? Check out #bareshelvesbiden on Twitter. I spend most of my time enlightening our Demoncrats. This is secondary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 January 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: Would you deal with your own shit first before getting your very long nose into ours? Check out #bareshelvesbiden on Twitter. I detest Biden and all the Demoncrats with a few exceptions. No offense to the voters. I am talking about the idiots in charge of our federal government and many of the states. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 January 28, 2022 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/01/27/russian-military-drills-off-irish-coast-to-go-ahead-despite-ukraine-tensions-a76179 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 January 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Tomasz said: There was supposed to be a common Europe and great help from the West for a democratic Russia. There was no help from the West, but the speculators came of course. There was supposed to be a common future but the West began from the very beginning to beat the loser. How delusional. YOU are responsible for YOU, and any help the west could give was going to Eastern Europe who is still destitute and mired in corruption in large swaths and have not been "saved" even though some of them are in NATO for dumb ass reason no one can fathom(cough Romania/Montenegro). You can't save everyone from themselves who have immolated their society under Communism for 70 years. The world is too damned big. There is more to the world than Russia to "save" if you are willing to have a god complex. Not to mention the Communists are in full throat here in the west and we currently have to save ourselves from their rapacious lusts of power and greed without any work. Effectively the Communists have completely taken over the USA's school systems in nearly every state and make up ~at least 30% of the Democrat party so no, you will not be getting any help from the USA. USA is fighting itself currently just as Russia did 70 years ago and failed. I hope the USA does not go down same path as USSR, but history says it most likely will or at least is in for half a decade of continual upheaval till the thieving scum are dealt with. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 January 28, 2022 5 hours ago, ronwagn said: Putin is a megalomaniac. If he spent some of his and his cronies gold on the Russian people their lives would be far better. They have no freedom and no democracy. Democracy in Russia is an old fable. They are fed state propaganda with no options. Freedom of assembly does not exist in Russia. We face some of the same problems in America but we are trying to stop the would be totalitarians and are making progress. Our Deep State is working with them because they want total control too. Democracy is a swear word in Russia, equatable with murder and mayhem. You ruined it. Russia's got a lot more freedom and less state propaganda than you do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starschy + 211 PM January 28, 2022 12 hours ago, ronwagn said: Putin is a megalomaniac. If he spent some of his and his cronies gold on the Russian people their lives would be far better. They have no freedom and no democracy. Democracy in Russia is an old fable. They are fed state propaganda with no options. Freedom of assembly does not exist in Russia. President Putin is by far the most democratic President Russia has over the last 120 years. The Russian live better as ever before. Democracy is fare overrated. US Terror sites in Guantanamo, Romania. Lithuania and a few other places have nothing to do with a democratic solution. That parties will remove black voters in the US is a disgrace but far of a democratic solution. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUZNV + 1,197 January 28, 2022 On 1/26/2022 at 5:15 PM, Tomasz said: So much of the intractability of current crisis is rooted in denial of reality: - Ukraine will never join NATO/EU - Crimea will never return to Ukraine - Weapons sales to Ukraine will not thwart Russian aggression - Sanctions will not deter Putin - NATO will not fight for Ukraine This is not a pleasant for West reality to admit but it is one that is undeniable and demonstrates the limits of Western power (and interests) You should add that Russia will never invade Ukraine as well so there is no need for Ukraine to join NATO. All of the parties are acting. What is the point of Nord stream 2 otherwise. EU will have to buy Russia natural gas no matter what because while oil price is somewhat global, gas price depends on infrastructure location. Sanction won't deter Putin only because of China. If China attacked Taiwan and got sanctioned or the trend of moving manufacturing out of China growing stronger, it would be must tougher for both China and Russia. The only value of China in the West's point of view is its growing economics made the West think they will have lots of returns from the investment + middle man so Western countries won't be blame for pollutions or new colonization in poor countries. If China gets into stagnation, half of its usefulness is gone and it has the only role of middle man for raw materials liaison which will reduce the need of Russia oil and gas consumption, not oil as a whole as there will be other cheap and young labors elsewhere. When I said the West above, mostly I mean the Western global capitalist elites, not as a group of nations. Technically any one have shares to vote in these companies (mostly big cap bankers or Wall Street US big cap tech/financial/healthcare stocks). They don't have a clear identity or nation. The evidence of this is US GDP is only 15.83% of Global GDP yet US equities value is 54.5% of the world. This is the reason health care and student loan in US was so high, because Wall Street is for profit of their share holders not for US people. But this pressure push may US entrepreneur to take risk to be financial independent. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUZNV + 1,197 January 28, 2022 (edited) Lifetime career Western politicians are the (currently corrupted)brokers to deal with the above with the western voters. There is basically only 2 choices for Western votes to select politician's policy: 1 Localization Each build their own supply chain manufacturing via trading: Pros: Decentralize global economies. Lessen the gap between the rich and poor within a nation and unity as everyone will try to push their country ahead others for their own goods. More patriotism, more inclusive and appreciation to their countries. Cons: Not efficient way of resources as politicians will make more frictions/tariff between countries. No world polices. Easy to have wars, fish eats fish. The countries with less resources, bad geopolitics position, heavier welfare, less freedom, smaller population or bad demographics will fall behind others which may lead to everyone try to rush to stronger nations in chaos time. Hard to archive high technologies with a very long supply chain alone so this will slow down innovation severely. Clearly the Western World after WW2 financial structure were not designed for this after Bretton Woods and Petrol dollar. 2 Globalization: a) Western nations: Pros: peaceful between Western nations at least, more efficient for longer supply chains for innovations that can push human to space. Have world police so relatively peaceful with the only risk is proxy wars or nuclear war. Cons: Cantillon effect style. Global capital controls the world where US is the capital in exchange for being world police. There is very weak national identity even among US. US with the main source of USD has to be a in debt Nation with high healthcare cost and student loan as the global Wall Street owners have to run for profit. US soldiers will have to risk their life for being the world polices. Currently the financial world are structure this way. b) As a normal Western voters choose politicians: a)Socialism/Liberalism style: What is currently in the Western World so I won't describe it much. Pros: earn much more if you are politicians, bankers or tech. Don't need to worry about starvation or healthcare or retirement and can choose what to do with your time: invest in knowledge and useful skills to create wealth or entertaining yourself with games and arts. Historically Western voters didn't have this choice pre WW2, or people in poor countries don't have this choice. Cons: -Widen the gap between rich and poor. Business/individual pay more USD for taxes, take more risk, create more wealth has more say via lobbying and influence politicians or mainstream in good time. Lower working ethics as more people take the system they have for granted even if they pay little tax or no tax at all ( (Remember my tax is nothing compares to a 1.87M tomahawk or currently social securities and retirement health care cost). Less respect to ownership and entitlement: prone to idiocracy and populism. Believe in media mainstream for brand name rather than waste time to collect knowledges to make judgments themselves. - Stagnation in tough time, no way to reduce the national debts. Higher tax to the rich and they won't take risk for innovation, less employments with create less tax. Put unrealize capital gain tax and see the capital flight away. Lower tax and no money to support for the idiocracy welfare system. After 120% public debt in GDP, 1 USD gov spent in the economy will grow only 0.8usd in GDP which make unpayable debt from tax and ticking time bomb as no one knows who this would end and when. b) Global Individualism style (maybe my imagination about the prefect western world): I couldn't see how the world financial structure can change. Converse to pull the innovations down with socialism theme above, I think we all have to move up -Remove all the time in movies, activists, social media to invest in knowledges and move higher ladder in tech to create more jobs and innovations. When you move up, you will leave room for people behind to move up. A country move up will leave room for the next one and the world would benefit more. -Find entertainment in family, philosophy, history, ideology, politician debates to make good choices of politicians and their policies. -Open your heart to everyone and help each other. Make this in cultural or religious level. If everyone around are better, you are better yourself. -Minimum consumption except for high tech for productivity to remove mal investment in leisure or luxury. Eat less and exercise more.(find a sport) to reduce cost of over indulge yourself. -Everyone who have ability to work has a duty to work at at least 30 hour per hours for minimum pay after 6 months of unemployment. Be independent to welfare as much as you can. Find reducing the public debt is every citizen duty. People will stop fighting each other if they learn appreciation, empathy and have a common goal. Covid19 freak me out with the economics situation aftermath and the more understand about the situations, the more acceptance I am. I found myself have a tendency to corrupt myself with negative feeling if I have nothing to think about locked at home. I tried to fill it with the thirsty of knowledges (not even for money or to be smart ass) instead of reading novel or playing games like before. I wasted too much time to hide from reality instead to embrace it. I know I sound like lecturing people but I don't. As an introvert, I hate to share my feelings but I can see we are getting nowhere with these blaming. Edited January 28, 2022 by SUZNV Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starschy + 211 PM January 28, 2022 (edited) War would collapse Ukraine Gas reserves are down by 60% compared to normal and Februar March are still to come Coalpower is down by at least 10% compared to 2021. They fire from last cylinder from Nuclear Power stations and Hydropower. Technical failures would for Months generate troubles as Original replacement Equipment is 80% Russian production. Selensky knows that his minimal foreign investors would back-trak from Ukraine and left a few additional useless houses and equipment. Ukraines 30 Billion International reserves would shrunk to 25 Billions in a few months. (Russias Intl Reserves are very close to 640 Billions USD) I have never heard from Selensky a detailed report which projects where completed with European 17 Bio Euros (since 2015 till today) at least 5 times the money compared to US. Edited January 28, 2022 by Starschy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 January 28, 2022 22 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: Would you deal with your own shit first before getting your very long nose into ours? Check out #bareshelvesbiden on Twitter. The first time I have ever been accused of a long nose! Usually a Santa Claus nose🤣. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 January 28, 2022 31 minutes ago, ronwagn said: The first time I have ever been accused of a long nose! Usually a Santa Claus nose🤣. Your collective American long nose? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 January 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: Your collective American long nose? Russia and China and their allies are poking their snouts all around the world. We are too. China has a more money to bribe officials with though. 31 million dollars to the Biden family so far. It is sad that governments are so underhanded. It is a similar conundrum to drug manufacturers, drug dealers, and drug users. China just lost a top hypersonic scientist to America. Sometimes ethics deals wins too. https://www.defenseworld.net/news/31245/Chinese_Scientist_Defects_to_U_S__Carrying_Hypersonic_Weapons_Secrets Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites