ronwagn + 6,290 February 8, 2022 4 hours ago, Strangelovesurfing said: One inch eastward was about East Germany territory not Eastern Europe as a whole. The US hasn't put any troops in former East German territory so no inch eastward was in fact followed. By the looks of the discussions there were many different takes and understandings by many people involved on all sides about what was discussed. Everyone seems to have a differing point of view which is why you sign written document or even make a binding treaty. The reason NATO expanded to East Europe was because countries located there wanted to be part of NATO. If those countries didn't consider Russia a repugnant entity there wouldn't have been any expansion. If Russia wants security then quit acting in ways that frighten the neighbors. I'd add lower the paranoia but Putin exists in a KGB reality of total paranoia. I think a lot of it is feigned paranoia. Russia has its own nuclear force far beyond what Europe has and by far the most soldiers and armament plus excellent geographical positioning. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 8, 2022 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/02/07/anti-war-broadside-highlights-nationalist-critique-of-putin-a76280 Anti-War Broadside Highlights Nationalist Critique of Putin The anti-war letter published by a fringe former colonel is a useful reminder that Putin’s belligerent nationalist rhetoric certainly doesn’t convince everyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 8, 2022 https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy Russia has about the lowest life expectancy of any technologically advanced nation. 72.6 years versus Spain at 83.6 years. Spain is tiny compared to Russia but has about the same economic size. Spanish is spoken over all of the Americas and much of Southern Europe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichieRich216 + 454 RK February 8, 2022 Russia is working closely with China on future trades, not using the USD; how the shit for brainless President thinks that he can stop Russians pipeline and replace it with LNG is a logistics nightmare! Granted, other LNG countries have offered support, but Germany is presently quite Fucked for Natural Gas other than Russia. Merkel was warned this day would come but pressed forward anyway! Germany is now and for the foreseeable future tied to Putin and his fucked up plans to rebuild the former USSR. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 8, 2022 https://www.theepochtimes.com/biden-there-will-no-longer-be-a-nord-stream-2-if-russia-invades-ukraine_4262461.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nsdp + 449 eh February 8, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 12:06 PM, Starschy said: Western Europe paid17 Billion Euro to Ukraine far more as those about 3 Billion from US. Germany refused to send Weapon. Those Ukraines will create a Situation that Western Europe will freeze the money to Selenskies Government. Starsky, better quit smoking funny cigarettes. Germany, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia all remember Berlin 1948, Warsaw 1944. in Berlin 1953, Budapest 1956 and Prague 1968 and the governments they lived under. Moscow is perilously close to to receiving the Tokyo 1941 treatment. Ukraine does not pose any threat to German, Polish, Hungaria; Comrade Putin does. n, Czech, Romanian, Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Finnish, Swedish or Norwegian interests. My father was born in Torun in 1926,, drafted as a German Pole in 1943(grandfather was an Oberst in WWI) and captured by the US in Italy in 1944 and stayed in the US as a displaced person in 1945. So I have a very clear idea what Germany and Poland think about who is responsible from relatives living in each. They don't want an other Rheinland-1936, Austria 1938 or Munich 1938. Second Germany has now sent war supplies to Ukraine, and the US has cleared the way to freeze every bank account any Russian has world wide including you three loud mouths. this is just like what happened to Japan in 1941. Putin has to move now, this week, or Rasputitsa( a Russian term for two seasons of the year, spring and autumn, when travel on unpaved roads or across country becomes difficult, owing to muddy conditions from rain or melting snow."Rasputitsa" also refers to road conditions during both periods.) comes in 2-3 weeks and hangs around until mid May. That means no bullets, beans, or toilet paper for the Russian Army . Same thing that happened to the Wehrmacht in October -November 1941. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 8, 2022 7 hours ago, nsdp said: Second Germany has now sent war supplies to Ukraine, and the US has cleared the way to freeze every bank account any Russian has world wide including you three loud mouths. this is just like what happened to Japan in 1941. Putin has to move now, this week, or Rasputitsa( a Russian term for two seasons of the year, spring and autumn, when travel on unpaved roads or across country becomes difficult, owing to muddy conditions from rain or melting snow."Rasputitsa" also refers to road conditions during both periods.) comes in 2-3 weeks and hangs around until mid May. That means no bullets, beans, or toilet paper for the Russian Army . Same thing that happened to the Wehrmacht in October -November 1941. We shall send some war supplies to some criminals close to where you live. In 1941, Roosevelt only seized Japanese assets in US jurisdiction. Biden is no Roosevelt. Aren't you a specialist on Russian meteorology? May we invade the Ukraine using regular public roads, pretty please? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 8, 2022 10 hours ago, ronwagn said: https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy Russia has about the lowest life expectancy of any technologically advanced nation. 72.6 years versus Spain at 83.6 years. Spain is tiny compared to Russia but has about the same economic size. Spanish is spoken over all of the Americas and much of Southern Europe. Not just any fascist dictatorship, but a technologically advanced one! Finally, something good! Unless, actually bad? In which case, wouldn't you want us to live less, because it is what we deserve? But it can all be bad. Lesser load on the pension funds and healthcare, more breathing room for the young. Please adjust my moral compass, Ron? Russian fertility rate exceeded the USA for the first time since USSR (1.85 vs 1.8) Now, in the spirit of lies being statistics, this is how it really works https://obliviousinvestor.com/mean-vs-median-life-expectancy-for-retirement-planning/ Or, in my own words. Most such statistics you are looking at are titled "mean life expectation at birth" which is a fancy way to say average age for everybody who died the year you were born. The problem with that approach is that it tends to be weighted down by a long tail of arbitrarily healthy and young induhviduals who encounter a premature death due to external circumstances. For example, tramled when out hunting the giraffes? So, in the first approximation, you may have discovered that Russians are more likely to live a dangerous lifestyle. Here, the "long tail" distribution for US. It does not seem to be statistically well-formed. This is why is the median the more interesting one (though less commonly cited) Which stands for what is the age of death, which 50% exceeded and 50% To make a very simple example, if 3/4 of Spaniards died when they were 50, but 1/4 lived to be 100, their average would still be 83.(3) Why? Well, 100 is a relatively large number Here, we are getting into issues on how to do cumulations right. Because these should really be running averages/medians. Otherwise, do they really say absolutely nothing about far future t0 +72 years ahead. So, we cumulate a running adjustment (diff) between life expectancy of actual birth(t0) +/- life expectancy as if you were born today(t1), with (t1-t0) being your current age. Russia is not the same economic size as Spain. It is about the size of Germany on PPP terms. What is your excuse? You are like the second-richest country in the world, much richer than either Russia or Spain, yet is your life expectancy also not too great at just 78.79 (2019) (which is behind the likes of Colombia and Turkey) Moreover, is Russia on upward trend (over 73 for 2020), while yours - on downward (77 for 2020) So, we seem to be converging for some synergetic experiences there, no? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starschy + 211 PM February 8, 2022 15 hours ago, RichieRich216 said: Russia is working closely with China on future trades, not using the USD; how the shit for brainless President thinks that he can stop Russians pipeline and replace it with LNG is a logistics nightmare! Granted, other LNG countries have offered support, but Germany is presently quite Fucked for Natural Gas other than Russia. Merkel was warned this day would come but pressed forward anyway! Germany is now and for the foreseeable future tied to Putin and his fucked up plans to rebuild the former USSR. No Countries offered support because there are no LNG Tankers available. Qatar refused to send Korean volumes to Europe. It will be a nightmare for the EU. The Countries have better option because of smaller volumes. Those German volumes above 50 Billion m3 can‘t be handled by LNG. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starschy + 211 PM February 8, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: Not just any fascist dictatorship, but a technologically advanced one! Finally, something good! Unless, actually bad? In which case, wouldn't you want us to live less, because it is what we deserve? But it can all be bad. Lesser load on the pension funds and healthcare, more breathing room for the young. Please adjust my moral compass, Ron? Russian fertility rate exceeded the USA for the first time since USSR (1.85 vs 1.8) Now, in the spirit of lies being statistics, this is how it really works https://obliviousinvestor.com/mean-vs-median-life-expectancy-for-retirement-planning/ Or, in my own words. Most such statistics you are looking at are titled "mean life expectation at birth" which is a fancy way to say average age for everybody who died the year you were born. The problem with that approach is that it tends to be weighted down by a long tail of arbitrarily healthy and young induhviduals who encounter a premature death due to external circumstances. For example, tramled when out hunting the giraffes? So, in the first approximation, you may have discovered that Russians are more likely to live a dangerous lifestyle. Here, the "long tail" distribution for US. It does not seem to be statistically well-formed. This is why is the median the more interesting one (though less commonly cited) Which stands for what is the age of death, which 50% exceeded and 50% To make a very simple example, if 3/4 of Spaniards died when they were 50, but 1/4 lived to be 100, their average would still be 83.(3) Why? Well, 100 is a relatively large number Here, we are getting into issues on how to do cumulations right. Because these should really be running averages/medians. Otherwise, do they really say absolutely nothing about far future t0 +72 years ahead. So, we cumulate a running adjustment (diff) between life expectancy of actual birth(t0) +/- life expectancy as if you were born today(t1), with (t1-t0) being your current age. I give you a hint let those Spanish workers work under Russian conditions -20 to -60 C and I‘m sure their live expectancy will be much shorter. Edited February 8, 2022 by Starschy 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strangelovesurfing + 737 JD February 8, 2022 14 hours ago, nsdp said: Second Germany has now sent war supplies to Ukraine, and the US has cleared the way to freeze every bank account any Russian has world wide including you three loud mouths. this is just like what happened to Japan in 1941. This is why everyone needs to be very cautious, we all know what happened next. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,325 RG February 8, 2022 17 hours ago, ronwagn said: I think a lot of it is feigned paranoia. Russia has its own nuclear force far beyond what Europe has and by far the most soldiers and armament plus excellent geographical positioning. So how many nukes do you think to kill Russia and the worlds economy? So if a couple dozen of Russians cities went to dust in the air. The damage wouldn’t reverberate around the world and it’s economy? I think your living in a fantasy. A small number of nukes by anyone brings death to us all. We’re all just little dominoes who can’t escape the carnage. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Starschy said: I give you a hint let those Spanish workers work under Russian conditions -20 to -60 C and I‘m sure their live expectancy will be much shorter. Yes, but do they expect the Spanish Inquisition? Not every Russian lives in Oymyakon and works outdoors. Only -42°C right now. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Boat said: So how many nukes do you think to kill Russia and the worlds economy? So if a couple dozen of Russians cities went to dust in the air. The damage wouldn’t reverberate around the world and it’s economy? I think your living in a fantasy. A small number of nukes by anyone brings death to us all. We’re all just little dominoes who can’t escape the carnage. Why does it always have to be cities? Plenty of specially reinforced underground military bases to target. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichieRich216 + 454 RK February 8, 2022 4 hours ago, Starschy said: No Countries offered support because there are no LNG Tankers available. Qatar refused to send Korean volumes to Europe. It will be a nightmare for the EU. The Countries have better option because of smaller volumes. Those German volumes above 50 Billion m3 can‘t be handled by LNG. Have you ever heard of Japan? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 9, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 9:20 AM, SUZNV said: You should read more about countries geopolitics and Europe politics especially the rise of Germany as a country history and their philosophy of moving Eastward with military and economics throughout the history then you would know how the world works inside and outside US, then learn about how they related in macro economics and world banking. Germany and Russia are the most 2 natural geopolitical enemies and Germany 's finance and corporations have much more Eurodollar power to corrupt the Western politicians than oligarchs/Putin for the lobby competitions for politicians via middle man media because politicians advertising to get votes via media. Otherwise you learn nothing from watch TV and everything is simply your perception because media gave you the pictures are too small and won't make sense to put them along side to each other. No media will sell you the pictures that will not get them more donations as they losing the money from advertising to social internet like facebook, twitter, amazon, google... We no longer lives in the 1980s where TV and newspaper get most of profits from advertising, not donations. I don't think Putin can match the donation to medias and that is why the Western World is so hostile against Russia. Do yourself a favor, the first question to ask if anyone tells you anything is there a conflict of interest involves, what benefit they will get from tell you this. I do watch media just like you, just for information not for their interpretation simply it conflicts itself following its own timeline and big pictures. I don't happen to trust the brand name blindly if it doesn't make any geopolitical sense . Ironically media brand name is where your confidence of knowledge comes from so spare me the lecturing as I can go straight to mainstream if I need anything. For your own non media conspiracy version's alternative, how about the reason powerful people and media in Germany want to such down nuclear power plants because they are promoting "clean" energy following ESG political movement and they want to such down nuclear as much as oil? Secondly Germany didn't fancy nuclear energy and they planned to retire nuclear powers ages ago but have to keep extending their deadlines. Have you ever considered this? This is widely published on mainstream not something conspiracy. Mainstream can change the perception of the people now but they cannot change what happened and trends in history. Try with the nationalism concept forming current Germany and through out cold war you will see the Putin corrupted Germany politicians is laughable. Germany may be nationalistic but it is also fascist and influenced by Greens in the government ruling now. Germany is sold on left wing socialist statism and Turkish immigration plus other nations since Merkel took over. It is far more left leaning than when I was there in the sixties. Merkel grew up under the East German Soviet regime. Freedom of speech is limited there and throughout the European Union. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 9, 2022 4 hours ago, RichieRich216 said: Have you ever heard of Japan? https://www.naturalgasintel.com/china-surpassed-japan-as-worlds-biggest-lng-importer-through-october/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 9, 2022 9 hours ago, Starschy said: I give you a hint let those Spanish workers work under Russian conditions -20 to -60 C and I‘m sure their live expectancy will be much shorter. That is why Europeans vacation in Spain and Italy versus Crimea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 9, 2022 7 hours ago, Boat said: So how many nukes do you think to kill Russia and the worlds economy? So if a couple dozen of Russians cities went to dust in the air. The damage wouldn’t reverberate around the world and it’s economy? I think your living in a fantasy. A small number of nukes by anyone brings death to us all. We’re all just little dominoes who can’t escape the carnage. I am not living in any fantasy and said nothing about nuking Russia. Please make your own statements and don't make up thoughts for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 9, 2022 (edited) On 2/7/2022 at 8:05 PM, RichieRich216 said: Russia is working closely with China on future trades, not using the USD; how the shit for brainless President thinks that he can stop Russians pipeline and replace it with LNG is a logistics nightmare! Granted, other LNG countries have offered support, but Germany is presently quite Fucked for Natural Gas other than Russia. Merkel was warned this day would come but pressed forward anyway! Germany is now and for the foreseeable future tied to Putin and his fucked up plans to rebuild the former USSR. https://www.naturalgasintel.com/china-surpassed-japan-as-worlds-biggest-lng-importer-through-october/ https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/ China and Japan are the largest LNG importers. It works for them. Germany has a smaller economy than Japan. Edited February 9, 2022 by ronwagn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichieRich216 + 454 RK February 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, ronwagn said: https://www.naturalgasintel.com/china-surpassed-japan-as-worlds-biggest-lng-importer-through-october/ I was not indicating that they are an exporter of LNG. Simple put they offered to Divert their imports. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said: I was not indicating that they are an exporter of LNG. Simple put they offered to Divert their imports. Sorry, I should have directed that to Starschy. I was just saying that LNG works out well for both of them, even at high cost. The cost should decline as soon as production ramps up. There is plenty of natural gas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 9, 2022 13 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: Not just any fascist dictatorship, but a technologically advanced one! Finally, something good! Unless, actually bad? In which case, wouldn't you want us to live less, because it is what we deserve? But it can all be bad. Lesser load on the pension funds and healthcare, more breathing room for the young. Please adjust my moral compass, Ron? Russian fertility rate exceeded the USA for the first time since USSR (1.85 vs 1.8) Now, in the spirit of lies being statistics, this is how it really works https://obliviousinvestor.com/mean-vs-median-life-expectancy-for-retirement-planning/ Or, in my own words. Most such statistics you are looking at are titled "mean life expectation at birth" which is a fancy way to say average age for everybody who died the year you were born. The problem with that approach is that it tends to be weighted down by a long tail of arbitrarily healthy and young induhviduals who encounter a premature death due to external circumstances. For example, tramled when out hunting the giraffes? So, in the first approximation, you may have discovered that Russians are more likely to live a dangerous lifestyle. Here, the "long tail" distribution for US. It does not seem to be statistically well-formed. This is why is the median the more interesting one (though less commonly cited) Which stands for what is the age of death, which 50% exceeded and 50% To make a very simple example, if 3/4 of Spaniards died when they were 50, but 1/4 lived to be 100, their average would still be 83.(3) Why? Well, 100 is a relatively large number Here, we are getting into issues on how to do cumulations right. Because these should really be running averages/medians. Otherwise, do they really say absolutely nothing about far future t0 +72 years ahead. So, we cumulate a running adjustment (diff) between life expectancy of actual birth(t0) +/- life expectancy as if you were born today(t1), with (t1-t0) being your current age. Russia is not the same economic size as Spain. It is about the size of Germany on PPP terms. What is your excuse? You are like the second-richest country in the world, much richer than either Russia or Spain, yet is your life expectancy also not too great at just 78.79 (2019) (which is behind the likes of Colombia and Turkey) Moreover, is Russia on upward trend (over 73 for 2020), while yours - on downward (77 for 2020) So, we seem to be converging for some synergetic experiences there, no? Pretty close. Lets say less than Canada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tomasz + 1,608 February 9, 2022 The British Foreign Ministry has threatened Russian oligarchs with property confiscation in the event of a Russian attack on Ukraine. I have such an big impression that the British Foreign Ministry is led from the Kremlin personally by Putin, who had long warned his oligarchs against investing their money abroad. Ideas such as property confiscation, ban on studying banana youth in the West. I think Putin really hopes it will be introduced as soon as possible. And Russian society also strongly supports this. By the way, you will destroy a major center of influence on Russia from the West, but this is all the better for Putin. There is small problem who will now sponsor Tories and allow City of London to make some nice money laundering? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starschy + 211 PM February 9, 2022 (edited) The british announcement is not even worth considering. Oligarchs have for a long time their money in the Cayman. Some have a second Citizenship like Roman Abramovitch which has an Israeli Passport. Some may create an express solution in Hungary, Switzerland, Monaco, Cayman, Bvi, Singapore. Houses can be moved to a Netherland Foundation, Trust or an Offshore Spv (special purpose vehicle). All that is not under Britisch Jurisdiction. The loss of a few millions is not relevant. Such action would be a diaster for the London Stock exchange. Those companies would move their Bonds, Stock issues to a safer Place Edited February 9, 2022 by Starschy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites