Biden threatens Putin " If . . . . no longer a Nord Stream 2 . . bring end to it"

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https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-climate-business-russia-europe-a4e956253d3640084f8bdfaa2c901be8

Ukraine crisis jolts Europe to push for secure energy supply

By ARITZ PARRA and DAVID McHUGH5 minutes ago

 

 

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25 minutes ago, bobo88 said:

Putin is a thug.

But he is a lot smarter then the Biden/Harris team.  

All true unfortunately!

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2 hours ago, Tomasz said:

This is clue 

Did your POTUS about month ago said publicly something about  total war like Iraq 2003? But in the same sentence he informed Putin that something totally different is "small incursions" into Ukraine? Do you want YouTube video? And this is small incursion just like he said.

I'm English not American!

None of it is relevant to me

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3 hours ago, Tomasz said:

You might not like NS II but according to Shell report it looks like this

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3802229-shell-lng-market-update-historic-deficit-market-in-coming-years

You might not like capitilism.......It will fill the gap without anyone having to suck up to Putin. How are you doing with your Gazprom shares today???? I love it that you are going bankrupt.

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8 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-climate-business-russia-europe-a4e956253d3640084f8bdfaa2c901be8

Ukraine crisis jolts Europe to push for secure energy supply

By ARITZ PARRA and DAVID McHUGH5 minutes ago

 

 

Today is proof no one should ever trust Putin, No One. Every Country in Europe will now push energy independence on a fast forward plan. How many days before Germany announces that the closed nuclear plants are reopening????? Germany has a real dilemma. Go without nat gas from Russia and Freeze, suck up to Russia, or pay super high prices for LNG. Today they announced Nordstream 2 is dead. My bet is they will reopen nuke plants

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Just now, notsonice said:

Today is proof no one should ever trust Putin, No One. Every Country in Europe will now push energy independence on a fast forward plan. How many days before Germany announces that the closed nuclear plants are reopening????? Germany has a real dilemma. Go without nat gas from Russia and Freeze, suck up to Russia, or pay super high prices for LNG. Today they announced Nordstream 2 is dead. My bet is they will reopen nuke plants

I actually dont see a way out for Germany on energy.

Yes they could reopen nukes but that will take time and even if they opened all of them they would still be well short of energy.

The shortsightedness of their energy policy politically is going to cripple the country and perhaps ultimately cause the EU to crumble.

Glad the UK left when we did!

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Japan ready to join any US-led sanctions on Russia

Japan on Tuesday said it stood ready to join the United States and other G7 industrialised nations in enacting sanctions on Russia should President Vladimir Putin order an invasion of Ukraine,

 

The confirmation by Tokyo comes as the crisis in Europe deepens, with the Russian leader on Monday ordering troops into two breakaway regions in Eastern Ukraine that Russia now recognises as independent states.

That action was “unacceptable and is a violation of international law”, said Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, who called Putin on Thursday to urge restraint. Japan was ready for a strong response that could include sanctions, he added.

Kishida’s office said he later held deep deliberations with Olaf Scholz, the leader of Germany, which holds the presidency of the G7, when the two re-affirmed cooperation on the Ukraine situation and agreed to monitor developments.

 

New sanctions by Japan, which would add to those imposed on Russia in 2014 after it occupied the Crimea, would include a ban on semiconductor chips and other key technology exports and restrictions on five major Russian banks, the Yomiuri newspaper reported earlier.

 

Although the world’s No. 3 economy is no longer a major exporter of semiconductors by volume, with only 10 per cent share of the global chip market, it is a key manufacturer of specialised electronic components, such as automotive chips and image sensors which are used in the supply chain of other manufacturers, and dominates in other advanced industrial fields, such as hi-tech manufacturing equipment.

Japan’s toughening stance against Russia contrasts with the softer diplomatic approach to Moscow taken by Japanese administrations in the past. They have courted Putin in an attempt to secure the return of islands occupied by Russian forces at the end of World War II.

Tokyo’s delicate diplomacy has also been shaped by its reliance on Moscow for some of its energy needs. In 2021, Russia provided more than 12 per cent of Japan’s thermal coal, and almost a tenth of its liquefied natural gas.

That economic anguish, however, has been overtaken in recent years by growing concern about a revival in Russian activity in East Asia and Moscow’s deepening security cooperation with neighbouring China.

“Ukraine is facing a tense situation now, so we must firmly watch how it could affect Japan’s economy,” Finance Minister Shunichi Suzuki said at a briefing on Tuesday.

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9 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

I actually dont see a way out for Germany on energy.

Yes they could reopen nukes but that will take time and even if they opened all of them they would still be well short of energy.

The shortsightedness of their energy policy politically is going to cripple the country and perhaps ultimately cause the EU to crumble.

Glad the UK left when we did!

The nuke plants were just shut down last month....it will not take long to restart. Did they even get a chance to unload the rods?

 

Yes Germany has some tough decisions...you can bet there will be a lot of press releases out of Germany in the next few weeks on energy policy. Will be interesting on which way they go. In the meantime they will have to pay more for nat gas and oil. They are super rich on dollars ....it will not cripple them just hurt them in their wallets. 

 

EU was never good on making sure they are energy independent......We all know Energy Independence is everything . The US learned its lesson in 1973....really sucked pushing the car into the gas station and only getting 5 gallons..

 

I do think Renewable Energy, Battery storage and EV's  is the winner is all of this......For Germany which is oil and nat gas poor. Even in the US the high price of Oil and Nat gas will supercharge Solar and Wind. The green agenda has found a new partner..Putin

 

In the long run Oil is not going to come out as the winner. LNG is looking like it is a winner ....but not for Germany

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42 minutes ago, notsonice said:

not valid unless you have a good reason....I do not want to deliver is not good cause..Please tell everyone here, where do you live in Russia??? Contracts mean nothing in your neck of the world?

You don't think they have a good reason.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, notsonice said:

The nuke plants were just shut down last month....it will not take long to restart. Did they even get a chance to unload the rods?

 

Yes Germany has some tough decisions...you can bet there will be a lot of press releases out of Germany in the next few weeks on energy policy. Will be interesting on which way they go. In the meantime they will have to pay more for nat gas and oil. They are super rich on dollars ....it will not cripple them just hurt them in their wallets. 

 

EU was never good on making sure they are energy independent......We all know Energy Independence is everything . The US learned its lesson in 1973....really sucked pushing the car into the gas station and only getting 5 gallons..

 

I do think Renewable Energy, Battery storage and EV's  is the winner is all of this......For Germany which is oil and nat gas poor. Even in the US the high price of Oil and Nat gas will supercharge Solar and Wind. The green agenda has found a new partner..Putin

 

In the long run Oil is not going to come out as the winner. LNG is looking like it is a winner ....but not for Germany

Not last month been decommissioning for long time.

Easy to restart ?  Yea just flip a switch.

They won't restart them. 

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2 minutes ago, bobo88 said:

You don't think they have a good reason.

" .  .  . .  season that they have no control of"

 

again what part of Russia do you live in???? 

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Just now, bobo88 said:

Not last month been decommissioning for long time.

Easy to restart ?  Yea just flip a switch.

They won't restart them. 

Game just changed yesterday with Putins dumb ass moves.......... You think you have the answers to the future same as Putin??....I bet you he did not think Germany would have ever dumped Nordstream 2...Today it happened. Someone needs to change the dimwitted Putins diaper.

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20 hours ago, notsonice said:

Today is proof no one should ever trust Putin, No One. Every Country in Europe will now push energy independence on a fast forward plan. How many days before Germany announces that the closed nuclear plants are reopening????? Germany has a real dilemma. Go without nat gas from Russia and Freeze, suck up to Russia, or pay super high prices for LNG. Today they announced Nordstream 2 is dead. My bet is they will reopen nuke plants

Nobody ever trusted Putin.  Nothing new.

THE BIG QUESTION ??? By

As of last August the U.S. was importing close to 850 thousand bbls/day of crude and petrol products from Russia ! That's closer to 1 million bbls/day now. 

Does Biden expect Germany and Europe to cease buying gas and oil from Russia and still allow U.S. Corporation to buy 1 million bbls/day from Russia ?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-04/russia-captures-no-2-rank-among-foreign-oil-suppliers-to-u-s 

Well Joe, what say you ?

If yes Northeast gasoline and diesel prices are going to start to look like California.

Joe never thinks things thru before he puts his proverbial foot in his mouth. 

 

Edited February 23, 2022 by bobo88

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16 minutes ago, notsonice said:

again what part of Russia do you live in???? 

Rockaway, New York City.

Second generation Russian/American.

I work as a busboy at my Grandma Uma's Russian Restaurant.

Edited February 22, 2022 by bobo88

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4 minutes ago, bobo88 said:

Nobody ever trusted Putin.  Nothing new.

THE BIG QUESTION ???

As of last August the U.S. was importing close to 850 thousand bbls/day of crude and petrol products from Russia ! That's closer to 1 million bbls/day now. 

Does Biden expect Germany and Europe to cease buying gas and oil from Russia and still allow U.S. Corporation to buy 1 million bbls/day from Russia ?

Well Joe, what say you ?

If yes Northeast gasoline and diesel prices are going to start to look like California.

Joe never thinks things thru before he puts his proverbial foot in his mouth. 

 

As of last August the U.S. was importing close to 850 thousand bbls/day of crude and petrol products from Russia ! That's closer to 1 million bbls/day now. ???? who cares if we do not import anything from Russia. The US is not a net importer of oil or nat gas

In 2020, the United States exported about 8.50 MMb/d of petroleum to about 174 countries and 4 U.S. territories.

 

We do not need your Russian oil.

What do I say....Fuck Putin and those who support him. Got it troll?

 

 

Edited February 22, 2022 by notsonice

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Finland foreign minister: Joining NATO must remain an option for Ukraine, squashes idea of "Finlandization"

https://www.ft.com/content/d6059e77-0f1e-478e-b522-7a8d97dc1d5e

 

 

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Ukraine must be allowed to retain the option of Nato membership, Finland’s foreign minister has said, warning that Moscow’s open aggression seemed to be based on a “concept of the past and rebuilding the Soviet Union”.

“There were clues in Putin’s speech and in recent propaganda [about] Ukraine developing nuclear weapons and with the mentions of Odessa,” he told the Financial Times. “So you can start to see locations on a map that give a hint of what may be [the Kremlin’s] next steps.”

Putin has demanded that Nato withdraw from eastern Europe and the Baltics and bar Ukraine from joining the military alliance. Haavisto said this seemed to have grown out of Putin’s apparent “frustration with the past 30 years, the collapse of the Soviet Union and Russia’s self image” and that the Russian president’s actions were “based on some sort of concept of the past and rebuilding the Soviet Union”.

Although Nato has firmly rebuffed Putin’s demands, some have suggested a compromise whereby Ukraine effectively remains outside of the alliance while retaining the theoretical possibility of joining. Haavisto rejected that idea.

“It is very important that Nato keeps its open-door policy, that Finland keeps the right to apply . . . and that is our position for Ukraine and Georgia as well. Every country should have that right,” he said.

Haavisto said “you have to be a believer in diplomacy” and that the so-called Minsk process may have been one way of bringing peace to eastern Ukraine. “But that was then,” he added, given that Putin’s decision to send troops into the separatist areas had buried the Minsk agreements, which aimed to end the conflict that has left more than 14,000 people dead since 2014.

Haavisto also squashed the idea of using Finland’s cold war relationship with the Soviet Union as a model for Ukraine’s present-day relationship with Russia — the so-called Finlandisation of Ukraine.

“The term comes from history and the days of the cold war,” he said. “We don’t recommend that path to anyone.”

 

 

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4 minutes ago, bobo88 said:

Rockaway, New York City.

Second generation Americano.

 

You must not be up on your US history......We do not suck up to any Russian Dictator. Not since the commies took over Russia in 1918 and not now. Go ahead put a Russian flag in your front yard......We love to know where the traitors live

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4 minutes ago, notsonice said:

As of last August the U.S. was importing close to 850 thousand bbls/day of crude and petrol products from Russia ! That's closer to 1 million bbls/day now. ???? who cares if we do not import anything from Russia. The US is not a net importer of oil or nat gas

In 2020, the United States exported about 8.50 MMb/d of petroleum to about 174 countries and 4 U.S. territories.

 

We do not need your Russian oil.

What do I say....Fuck Putin and those who support him. Got it troll?

 

 

Getting very testy.

Blame belongs on Biden .

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44 minutes ago, notsonice said:

Today is proof no one should ever trust Putin, No One. Every Country in Europe will now push energy independence on a fast forward plan. How many days before Germany announces that the closed nuclear plants are reopening????? Germany has a real dilemma. Go without nat gas from Russia and Freeze, suck up to Russia, or pay super high prices for LNG. Today they announced Nordstream 2 is dead. My bet is they will reopen nuke plants

Fine with me. Europe should get energy wherever it is available including coal etc. Eventually they can maximize renewables and make their Greens happy. The energy shortage will rapidly disappear. Energy is everywhere. It just needs to be tapped. That does require financial support and will require freedom of choice to meet immediate needs. 

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29 minutes ago, notsonice said:

As of last August the U.S. was importing close to 850 thousand bbls/day of crude and petrol products from Russia ! That's closer to 1 million bbls/day now. ???? who cares if we do not import anything from Russia. The US is not a net importer of oil or nat gas

In 2020, the United States exported about 8.50 MMb/d of petroleum to about 174 countries and 4 U.S. territories.

 

We do not need your Russian oil.

What do I say....Fuck Putin and those who support him. Got it troll?

 

 

"In 2020, the United States exported about 8.50 MMb/d of petroleum to about 174 countries and 4 U.S. territories."

Yes, thru transfer pricing U.S. exports at cost and imports at full retail. Thus paying no  income taxes on huge profits.

Screw the U.S. consumers.

NAME ME ONE OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THAT EXPORTS VALUABLE NATURAL RESOURCES TO ONLY IMPORT MORE AT HIGHER COSTS ON PAPER.  THE U.S. POLITICIANS SCREW THEiR OWN CONSTITUANTS (and mfg companies) AND LAUGH ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK.

 

Edited February 22, 2022 by bobo88

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Just now, bobo88 said:

"In 2020, the United States exported about 8.50 MMb/d of petroleum to about 174 countries and 4 U.S. territories."

Yes, thru transfer pricing U.S. exports at cost and imports at full retail. Thus paying no  income taxes on huge profits.

Screw the U.S. consumers.

NAME ME ONE OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THAT EXPORTS VALUABLE NATURAL RESOURCES TO ONLY IMPORT MORE AT HIGHER COSTS ON PAPER.  THE U.S. POLITICIANS SCREW THIER OWN CONSTITUANTS AND LAUGH ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK.

 

Isn't that because of different grades and types of petroleum?  The US as the biggest consumer, producer, and refiner, is.... complicated..

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6 hours ago, bobo88 said:

"In 2020, the United States exported about 8.50 MMb/d of petroleum to about 174 countries and 4 U.S. territories."

Yes, thru transfer pricing U.S. exports at cost and imports at full retail. Thus paying no  income taxes on huge profits.

Screw the U.S. consumers.

NAME ME ONE OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THAT EXPORTS VALUABLE NATURAL RESOURCES TO ONLY IMPORT MORE AT HIGHER COSTS ON PAPER.  THE U.S. POLITICIANS SCREW THIER OWN CONSTITUANTS AND LAUGH ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK.

 

US is king in refining...Maybe if you got out of your little Russian enclave in NYC you would know this. Head to the gulf coast and visit a refinery. Have you ever been to Houston???? 

 

You really have no clue what you are talking about....

You are a typical dimwitted Russian who still thinks Putin is a leader. 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, notsonice said:

US is king in refining...Maybe if you got out of your little Russian enclave in NYC you would know this. Head to the gulf coast and visit a refinery. Have you ever been to Houston???? 

 

You really have no clue what you are talking about....

You are a typical dimwitted Russian who still thinks Putin is a leader. 

 

 

 

I have been to your gulf.

I took my girlfriend Olga on vacation last Summer to Port Arthur.  We toured the refineries.  My favorite was Motiva.

I will marry Olga next year.  We will honeymoon at a resort on the Black Sea. Very beautiful there.

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2 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

I guess Germany, Poland and The Netherlands are in trouble as the main importers of oil from Russia but the rest of Europe would be fine.

Im also pretty sure MENA and N.America would be happy to fill the hole left by Russia

The Germans really have bet on the wrong horse this time.

Currently, Russian fuel represents more than a third of Europe's total imports.

More than seventy-percent of this oil comes through pipelines that cross through Ukrainian territory after leaving Russia. The destruction of war and the damage to the sector after US and EU sanctions are imposed, threaten the competitiveness of Russia in the energy sector.

There are four main countries that purchase the majority of Russia's crude oil: The Netherlands, Germany, Poland, and Belarus. In 2017, these four countries accounted for seventy percent of the total export volumes. Other countries who have some of the largest exports in 2020 included Italy, Finland, and Slovakia.

Do you think that oil markets are bilateral trade deals? The bilateral nature of trade in oil is solely based on convenience and logistical costs. If Russia stops selling oil, Germany, Netherlands, Poland etc will start buying oil from other sources like Norway, Nigeria, Libya, Saudi Arabia etc and that will mean other EU counties buying from these will see shortages. So, at the end, entire world will see oil price hikes. Only select few countries which have political dealings with oil suppliers like China, India which have political relations with West Asian countries, Belarus, Serbia, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan etc with Russian alliance will get oil supply. These countries are mostly insulated from oil price as the oil suppliers will give them investments and other forms of funding to bridge the price hike. But rest of the countries will see massive economic recession.

1 hour ago, notsonice said:

 Russia as it dominates oil markets.??? nope slow one , it does not. Putin is overpaying you

Nordstream 2 is dead. 

Did The world got along with no Iranian and Venezuelan oil? Sure did. When your great Russian economy has no one to buy your oil, you can use it for ? guess you can burn it

Nordstream never supplied even 1 can of gas as it was still in pilot testing mode. So, that is not a loss at all. Venezuelan oil never was a major factor as it is not true oil but tar sands which was replaced by Canada. Tar sands have very little value in markets other than USA. Only China & India are other states that have some tar sands processing refineries. No other country can process tar sands effectively. Iranian sanctions didn't affect markets simply because of USA shale and GCC production increase offsetting it. Iran exported just 1.8Mbpd which was easy to replace with the burgeoning shale production of USA.

Try replacing 8.8Mbpd of Russian & Kazakhstan oil and you will see why Russia dominates. You seem to not be bright to understand things other than what you are trained to understand.

1 hour ago, notsonice said:

Today is proof no one should ever trust Putin, No One. Every Country in Europe will now push energy independence on a fast forward plan. How many days before Germany announces that the closed nuclear plants are reopening????? Germany has a real dilemma. Go without nat gas from Russia and Freeze, suck up to Russia, or pay super high prices for LNG. Today they announced Nordstream 2 is dead. My bet is they will reopen nuke plants

I have already stated before that only Byzantine/Eastern European countries ever trusted Russia. So, there was no trust in the first place. It is simply energy dominance of Russia compelling the Western EU states to need Russian supplies.

Germany and Japan are closing nuke plants because of USA asking them to close it. USA is planning a withdrawal as it no longer needs net imported oil (other than Canadian tar sands) due to energy independence. This means the countries under USA vassalage are being asked to close down nuclear plants as there are fears that these countries may become nuclear weapons states using the nuclear technology they obtained from USA. This phase out is due to security concerns rather than green energy

1 hour ago, surrept33 said:

Japan ready to join any US-led sanctions on Russia

Japan on Tuesday said it stood ready to join the United States and other G7 industrialised nations in enacting sanctions on Russia should President Vladimir Putin order an invasion of Ukraine,

 

The confirmation by Tokyo comes as the crisis in Europe deepens, with the Russian leader on Monday ordering troops into two breakaway regions in Eastern Ukraine that Russia now recognises as independent states.

That action was “unacceptable and is a violation of international law”, said Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, who called Putin on Thursday to urge restraint. Japan was ready for a strong response that could include sanctions, he added.

Kishida’s office said he later held deep deliberations with Olaf Scholz, the leader of Germany, which holds the presidency of the G7, when the two re-affirmed cooperation on the Ukraine situation and agreed to monitor developments.

 

New sanctions by Japan, which would add to those imposed on Russia in 2014 after it occupied the Crimea, would include a ban on semiconductor chips and other key technology exports and restrictions on five major Russian banks, the Yomiuri newspaper reported earlier.

 

Although the world’s No. 3 economy is no longer a major exporter of semiconductors by volume, with only 10 per cent share of the global chip market, it is a key manufacturer of specialised electronic components, such as automotive chips and image sensors which are used in the supply chain of other manufacturers, and dominates in other advanced industrial fields, such as hi-tech manufacturing equipment.

Japan’s toughening stance against Russia contrasts with the softer diplomatic approach to Moscow taken by Japanese administrations in the past. They have courted Putin in an attempt to secure the return of islands occupied by Russian forces at the end of World War II.

Tokyo’s delicate diplomacy has also been shaped by its reliance on Moscow for some of its energy needs. In 2021, Russia provided more than 12 per cent of Japan’s thermal coal, and almost a tenth of its liquefied natural gas.

That economic anguish, however, has been overtaken in recent years by growing concern about a revival in Russian activity in East Asia and Moscow’s deepening security cooperation with neighbouring China.

“Ukraine is facing a tense situation now, so we must firmly watch how it could affect Japan’s economy,” Finance Minister Shunichi Suzuki said at a briefing on Tuesday.

Japan is a vassal of USA. USA invaded Japan in 1945 and never left it. So, even today, Japan is under USA occupation and does not ahve independent foreign policy. So, Japanese foreign policy and sanction has no relevance

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I would advise everyone to take a sedative pill.

Did the Soviet Union ever cut off supplies to Europe? Whenever. Even at the height of the Cold War? NOT

Another thing is that Russia wants to earn as much as possible. But the Russians also have to eat.

In 2020, Gazprom sold 183 billion m3 of gas for USD 28 billion.

In 2021, 184 billion M3. Physically 0.5% more.

Nominally, from $ 28 billion to a note of $ 57 billion.

This is how I leave it for consideration.

It is in Russia's interest not to certify this gas pipeline, because it causes an increase in gas exchange prices in Europe (which is what Gazprom and the Russian budget earn) and forces purchases of highly processed products from Russia in place of gas.

Russia, its contribution to the construction of NS2 has already paid off, European companies - no

Edited February 22, 2022 by Tomasz