Biden threatens Putin " If . . . . no longer a Nord Stream 2 . . bring end to it"

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the had 100 percent control....

4 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

I highly doubt the Ukrainians ever had much direct access to the bombs.  You would have to be epic stupid to lose a A-bomb to a potential adversary.

for 5 years they did....this is why the agreement was made with them.....Big E are you losing it? History not your best subject?

.........At the time of Ukraine’s independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, Ukraine held the third largest nuclear arsenal in the world, including an estimated 1,900 strategic warheads, 176 intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), and 44 strategic bombers. By 1996, Ukraine had returned all of its nuclear warheads to Russia in exchange for economic aid and security assurances, and in December 1994, Ukraine became a non-nuclear weapon state party to the 1968 nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT). The last strategic nuclear delivery vehicle in Ukraine was eliminated in 2001 under the 1991 Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START). It took years of political maneuvering and diplomatic work, starting with the Lisbon Protocol in 1992, to remove the weapons and nuclear infrastructure from Ukraine.

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11 minutes ago, notsonice said:

how long do you think it takes to take the code part off the nuke and rewire them????? the Plutonium triggers and the actual nuke need no stinking codes......Who cares where the codes are when you got the bomb itself. The Ukrainians just did not have the codes to launch the suckers... The fear at the time was the nukes would end up in the wrong hands (who also did not have the codes). Stick the bomb in a plane and you have a launch vessel that has a few thousand miles in range. 

You could make it a dirty bomb, but not really launch it or detonate it easily. How does US make its own wares Turk-proof?

[notsonice + 1,063]

5 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

You could make it a dirty bomb, but not really launch it or detonate it easily. How does US make its own wares Turk-proof?

the Russians left behind disabled warheads....... They only disabled them but did not remove the bombs themselves or the triggers.....This was the whole problem ...it was estimated that it would take the Ukrainians , at the time , 18 months to get them back in working order. A real mess ...no need for dirty bombs...this is why the Budapest agreement was made with Ukraine...the One the Russians ditched in 2014............and they are doing again today.

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8 minutes ago, notsonice said:

the had 100 percent control....

for 5 years they did....this is why the agreement was made with them.....Big E are you losing it? History not your best subject?

.........At the time of Ukraine’s independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, Ukraine held the third largest nuclear arsenal in the world, including an estimated 1,900 strategic warheads, 176 intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), and 44 strategic bombers. By 1996, Ukraine had returned all of its nuclear warheads to Russia in exchange for economic aid and security assurances, and in December 1994, Ukraine became a non-nuclear weapon state party to the 1968 nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT). The last strategic nuclear delivery vehicle in Ukraine was eliminated in 2001 under the 1991 Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START). It took years of political maneuvering and diplomatic work, starting with the Lisbon Protocol in 1992, to remove the weapons and nuclear infrastructure from Ukraine.

I stand corrected.   I said "I highly doubt" for a reason. 

Certainly Russia was watching closely.

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quite the mess and now you know why the Ukrainians are so pissed today. Should the US give some bombs to Ukraine as Russia is not living up to their commitments....US and the UK send in troops ?????? This is why Ukraine thinks they should be let into NATO today  .......

Edited February 23, 2022 by notsonice

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Ideally nobody should have nukes.  A lot of work has been done on disarmament, distribution would be a step backwards. 

[TailingsPond + 460]

6 minutes ago, notsonice said:

quite the mess and now you know why the Ukrainians are so pissed today. Should the US give some bombs to Ukraine as Russia is not living up to their commitments....US and the UK send in troops ?????? This is why Ukraine thinks they should be let into NATO today  .......

Canada sent more troops to Ukraine.

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Russia deploys mobile crematoriums to follow its troops into battle

Ben Wallace, the Defence Secretary, suggests the vehicle-mounted incinerators will be used to hide evidence of battlefield casualties

By Dominic Nicholls, DEFENCE AND SECURITY EDITOR and Nataliya Vasilyeva, RUSSIA CORRESPONDENT, MOSCOW23 February 2022 • 8:06pm

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/02/23/russia-deploys-mobile-crematorium-follow-troops-battle/

Quote

 

Russian forces have prepared a mobile crematorium for use in any future conflict with Ukraine in what Britain’s Defence Secretary has described as “chilling”.

The MoD released footage of a vehicle-mounted crematorium with room to “evaporate” one human body at a time, which has been seen trailing Russian forces and is expected to follow any troops into Ukraine.

Ben Wallace, the Defence Secretary, suggested the use of such a system may be a way for the Kremlin to cover up any future combat losses, fearing a repeat of the criticism at home when Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014.

Mr Wallace said if Russian forces instigate conflict in Ukraine “we expect to see some of the things they've done previously”.

“Previously they've deployed mobile crematoriums to follow troops around the battlefield, which in anyone's book is chilling.

"If I was a soldier and knew that my generals had so little faith in me that they followed me around the battlefield with a mobile crematorium, or I was the mother or father of a son, potentially deployed into a combat zone, and my government thought that the way to cover up loss was mobile crematorium, I'd be deeply, deeply worried.

"It’s a very chilling side effect of how the Russians view their forces and for those of you who served, and being a soldier, knowing that trundling behind you is a way to evaporate you if you are killed in battle probably says everything you need to know about the Russian regime."

In the footage released by the MoD, Cyrillic text overlaid on the video says the equipment, which was created specifically for the destruction of hazardous biological waste, comes from a St Petersburg company called Tourmaline. The company’s website says it is ‘The Russian Incinerator Company’.

Attempts by The Telegraph to contact the company went unanswered.

Kremlin cover-up

At the time local and international media outlets, human rights groups and local activists reported Russian soldiers were being buried in unmarked graves in a bid to hide the fact they were operating inside Ukraine.

Protest groups, many formed by mothers of missing and dead soldiers, sprang up across Russia, notably in Moscow, rejecting attempts by the authorities to blame deaths on individuals who had wandered across the border.

One group, the Soldiers’ Mothers Committee, blamed Vladimir Putin for violating international law and said Russian military commanders forced soldiers to fight illegally in Ukraine “while mothers receive coffins with their sons, anonymously,” according to the Washington Post.

 

 

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3 hours ago, notsonice said:

Let every one have nukes ??? not really a good long term solution is it....... Under your thinking should Iran have nukes ??? or should South Africa still have them ?

 

We (the US) have plenty of Nukes, should we give some spare ones to Ukraine today????

 

or should we send in troops to enforce the Budapest Memorandum???

 

 

The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances refers to three identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994 to provide security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear powers: the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States. China and France gave somewhat weaker individual assurances in separate documents.^[1]

The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan.

As a result, between 1994 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons. Until then, Ukraine had the world's third-largest nuclear weapons stockpile,^[2][3] of which Ukraine had physical, but not operational, control. Russia alone controlled the codes needed to operate the nuclear weapons^[4][5] via Russian-controlled electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system.^[4][5] Formally, these weapons were controlled by the Commonwealth of Independent States.^[6]

In 2009, Russia and the United States released a joint statement that the memorandum's security assurances would still be respected after the expiration of the START Treaty.^[7]

After the annexation of Crimea by Russia in 2014, Canada,^[8] France, Germany, Italy, Japan,^[9] the UK^[10] and US^[11][12]stated that Russian involvement was a breach of its Budapest Memorandum obligations to Ukraine which had been transmitted to the United Nations under the signature of Sergey Lavrov and others,^[13] and in violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity. On 4 March 2014, the Russian president Vladimir Putin replied to a question on the violation of the Budapest Memorandum, describing the current Ukrainian situation as a revolution: "a new state arises, but with this state and in respect to this state, we have not signed any obligatory documents."^[14] Russia stated that it had never been under obligation to "force any part of Ukraine's civilian population to stay in Ukraine against its will." Russia suggested that the US was in violation of the Budapest Memorandum and described the Euromaidan as a US-instigated coup.^[15]

 

And what makes nine or so Countries so unique? Are you too young to remember “MAD“ mutual assured destruction. We have had battlefield nukes since the Korean War.

We placed them on the ground facing the USSR to prevent an overwhelming tank attack against NATO.

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2 hours ago, notsonice said:

the had 100 percent control....

for 5 years they did....this is why the agreement was made with them.....Big E are you losing it? History not your best subject?

.........At the time of Ukraine’s independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, Ukraine held the third largest nuclear arsenal in the world, including an estimated 1,900 strategic warheads, 176 intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), and 44 strategic bombers. By 1996, Ukraine had returned all of its nuclear warheads to Russia in exchange for economic aid and security assurances, and in December 1994, Ukraine became a non-nuclear weapon state party to the 1968 nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT). The last strategic nuclear delivery vehicle in Ukraine was eliminated in 2001 under the 1991 Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START). It took years of political maneuvering and diplomatic work, starting with the Lisbon Protocol in 1992, to remove the weapons and nuclear infrastructure from Ukraine.

sonice

Actually they were not sent back to Russia. They were transported out of the country by train and destroyed

Edited February 24, 2022 by bobo88

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4 hours ago, notsonice said:

Let every one have nukes ??? not really a good long term solution is it....... Under your thinking should Iran have nukes ??? or should South Africa still have them ?

 

We (the US) have plenty of Nukes, should we give some spare ones to Ukraine today????

 

or should we send in troops to enforce the Budapest Memorandum???

 

 

The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances refers to three identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994 to provide security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear powers: the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States. China and France gave somewhat weaker individual assurances in separate documents.^[1]

The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan.

As a result, between 1994 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons. Until then, Ukraine had the world's third-largest nuclear weapons stockpile,^[2][3] of which Ukraine had physical, but not operational, control. Russia alone controlled the codes needed to operate the nuclear weapons^[4][5] via Russian-controlled electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system.^[4][5] Formally, these weapons were controlled by the Commonwealth of Independent States.^[6]

In 2009, Russia and the United States released a joint statement that the memorandum's security assurances would still be respected after the expiration of the START Treaty.^[7]

After the annexation of Crimea by Russia in 2014, Canada,^[8] France, Germany, Italy, Japan,^[9] the UK^[10] and US^[11][12]stated that Russian involvement was a breach of its Budapest Memorandum obligations to Ukraine which had been transmitted to the United Nations under the signature of Sergey Lavrov and others,^[13] and in violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity. On 4 March 2014, the Russian president Vladimir Putin replied to a question on the violation of the Budapest Memorandum, describing the current Ukrainian situation as a revolution: "a new state arises, but with this state and in respect to this state, we have not signed any obligatory documents."^[14] Russia stated that it had never been under obligation to "force any part of Ukraine's civilian population to stay in Ukraine against its will." Russia suggested that the US was in violation of the Budapest Memorandum and described the Euromaidan as a US-instigated coup.^[15]

 

boring

Looks like this post has run its course.

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7 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

I believe we have to defend article five for NATO Countries. As far as Ukraine, I would give them battlefield nuke, meager yield to displace Russian tanks, and the EMP disrupt and fry their communications.

Sure. Let's see the great amurcun armed forces against a capable opponent. I wonder what amurcuns wll say and do when a few of their cities are vapourised. Fight to the destroy the entire planet, or try to save what is left?

oh wait. Psaki just now stated publicly in a presser the US will not be fighting Russia over Ukraine.  So the cowards have finally revealed their hand.

Isn't it odd how silent the US and EU were when the US invaded and bombed Yugoslavia and shred it to what amurcuns wanted, not what the residents wanted. ?

 

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21 minutes ago, frankfurter said:

 

Isn't it odd how silent the US and EU were when the US invaded and bombed Yugoslavia and shred it to what amurcuns wanted, not what the residents wanted. ?

 

nato, not the US. 

it was a humanitarian intervention in kosovo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia

it was only nato because China and Russia vetoed UN security council action.

It's only comparable if you really believe there is genocide going on in Donbas. 

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24 minutes ago, surrept33 said:

nato, not the US. 

it was a humanitarian intervention in kosovo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia

it was only nato because China and Russia vetoed UN security council action.

It's only comparable if you really believe there is genocide going on in Donbas. 

Fact: NATO is funded, armed, staffed, controlled by the US.

Fact: the NATO bombing was a unilateral action, decided by the US. At no time had any arm of the UN approved the US murderous hostility. Fact; European citizens were against the unilateral action and bombing.

Fact: The UN Charter prohibits the use of force except in the case of a decision by the Security Council under Chapter VII, or self-defence against an armed attack – neither of which were present in this case.

Fact: the US forces bombed the China Embassy, not NATO forces. A deliberate act of war against an unarmed, civilian group. This was not collateral damage.

 

[notsonice + 1,063]

4 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

And what makes nine or so Countries so unique? Are you too young to remember “MAD“ mutual assured destruction. We have had battlefield nukes since the Korean War.

We placed them on the ground facing the USSR to prevent an overwhelming tank attack against NATO.

I was asking you? I actually think no one country  is unique to have nukes and the same time tell others they cannot. So when Ukraine gave them up they were given assurances by Russia and the US and the UK. Now Russia has reneged 2 times with 2 separate invasions. Personally I think the US at a minimum should give Ukraine military goods and support at a much higher level than what we are doing today...patriot missiles....advanced drones/fighters...training ....etc etc at a minimum

[notsonice + 1,063]

2 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Sure. Let's see the great amurcun armed forces against a capable opponent. I wonder what amurcuns wll say and do when a few of their cities are vapourised. Fight to the destroy the entire planet, or try to save what is left?

oh wait. Psaki just now stated publicly in a presser the US will not be fighting Russia over Ukraine.  So the cowards have finally revealed their hand.

Isn't it odd how silent the US and EU were when the US invaded and bombed Yugoslavia and shred it to what amurcuns wanted, not what the residents wanted. ?

 

guess you thought Russians little demonstration of the nukes the other day with BelaRussia was just play...........Defending Russia at this point ??? good luck with that

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1 hour ago, frankfurter said:

Fact: NATO is funded, armed, staffed, controlled by the US.

Fact: the NATO bombing was a unilateral action, decided by the US. At no time had any arm of the UN approved the US murderous hostility. Fact; European citizens were against the unilateral action and bombing.

Fact: The UN Charter prohibits the use of force except in the case of a decision by the Security Council under Chapter VII, or self-defence against an armed attack – neither of which were present in this case.

Fact: the US forces bombed the China Embassy, not NATO forces. A deliberate act of war against an unarmed, civilian group. This was not collateral damage.

 

Frankie pay attention for a moment if you will. 

I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.^[1

^{Your destiny has been cast.]}

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27 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Frankie pay attention for a moment if you will. 

I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.^[1

^{Your destiny has been cast.]}

EWO, I hope you are against what Russia is doing.

 

2 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Fact: NATO is funded, armed, staffed, controlled by the US.

Fact: the NATO bombing was a unilateral action, decided by the US. At no time had any arm of the UN approved the US murderous hostility. Fact; European citizens were against the unilateral action and bombing.

Fact: The UN Charter prohibits the use of force except in the case of a decision by the Security Council under Chapter VII, or self-defence against an armed attack – neither of which were present in this case.

Fact: the US forces bombed the China Embassy, not NATO forces. A deliberate act of war against an unarmed, civilian group. This was not collateral damage.

 

1994 when It was all starting  I met a woman in Denmark in a train station who was a refugee from Bosnia....her mother was killed by a mortar into their apartment in 1992  (launched by team Slobo in his ethnic cleansing). She was a resident of Yugoslavia. Yep a mortar attack on civilians in civilian housing by Team Slobo. And to this day I remember her clearly state.....The Europeans are cowards and will not step in to stop the killing..Then she said I hope the US steps in with their military might and do what it takes to stop the war.... The murderous hostility was occurring for years by Slobo, including the killing of her mother. Slobo and his thugs were not unarmed civilian good guys. Yep the embassy was collateral damage, the US did not pick out the embassy and make it a sole target. Their target was Team Slobo in Kosovo. Kosovo was all about Slobos ethnic cleansing.  I hope Slobo is burning in Hell today for his genocide and war crimes

 

Today Putin is no different than Slobo.

Edited February 24, 2022 by notsonice

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7 hours ago, notsonice said:

1994 when It was all starting  I met a woman in Denmark in a train station who was a refugee from Bosnia....her mother was killed by a mortar into their apartment in 1992  (launched by team Slobo in his ethnic cleansing). She was a resident of Yugoslavia. Yep a mortar attack on civilians in civilian housing by Team Slobo. And to this day I remember her clearly state.....The Europeans are cowards and will not step in to stop the killing..Then she said I hope the US steps in with their military might and do what it takes to stop the war.... The murderous hostility was occurring for years by Slobo, including the killing of her mother. Slobo and his thugs were not unarmed civilian good guys. Yep the embassy was collateral damage, the US did not pick out the embassy and make it a sole target. Their target was Team Slobo in Kosovo. Kosovo was all about Slobos ethnic cleansing.  I hope Slobo is burning in Hell today for his genocide and war crime

Humans play different social roles throughout their lives. At one point a man can play the role of a son, father, husband, friend, doctor/professional etc. Similarly, every soldier is a civilian too depending on which role he is playing. It is absurd to differentiate someone as civilian and soldier just by looking whether he/she has a weapon or not. For example, a woman who is cultivating crops, cooking food, packing ammunition and providing logistics for her husband, brother, neighbour involved in war can't be called as civilian.

The idea of civilians arise from traditional systems of heirarchy where there were clashes between nobility solely to determine who is superior/stronger and the rightful ruler involving limited conflicts and direct confrontation based on rules of honour. Such battles must be compulsorily follow these 3 rules:

1. It is limited to a predesignated battleground with prohibition for using any form of guerilla tactics or war of attrition
2. Separation of warriors from civilians with warriors defined as those present in the battleground
3. Implicit obligation of those not present in the battleground (civilians) to accept the winners of the battle as their rulers

Where the above set of rules are not followed, may be because of:

• Non-combatants having political agendas/ideologies due to which they don't accept the winners of the battle as rulers. Such non-combatants can't be considered as civilians
• Use of guerilla tactics and war of attrition using support from local population/non-combatants. Locals supporting guerilla moves can't be considered civilians as they are actively involved in war logistics and surveillance

Now, tell me, how did you classify someone as civilian or soldier in Yugoslavia/Kosovo war? Did the above 3 rules apply in this scenario? Are you trying to say that a woman can't be involved in war efforts and refugees are always innocent civilians? How are you so sure that Chinese embassy was a collateral damage while the so called "civilian" deaths were not collateral damage?

[bobo88 + 58]

12 hours ago, notsonice said:

EWO, I hope you are against what Russia is doing.

 

1994 when It was all starting  I met a woman in Denmark in a train station.

Can you believe Russia used as one Justification for attacks the denazification of Ukraine  He called Ukrainians Nazis !

Oh, wait a minute .  Didn't Trudeau call the peaceful protestors in Canada Nazis ? And implement Marshall Law , arresting them, closing their bank accounts. Trueau  even called a Canadian Jewish legislator a Nazi. 

Now we know where Putin got the idea.  

Oh, wait again another minute. Hasn't the leadership of the U.S.  Democrat Party , CNN anchors, MSNBC anchors repeatedly call the half of the U.S. population Nazis, Confederate flag waving racists and worst.  Calling protestors at the Capital that turned violent guilty of indirection, sedition and worst. 

Now we know where Putin got the idea. 

That thug Putin attack is terrible. But if Europe didn't care why should he U.S. ? They probably care now.

Joe "tough guy" Biden who said Putin didn't want him to be President because u like his predecessor, would be tough with him.

* Putin loves Biden as President.

* Putin loves Biden Green New Deal and U.S. destroying their il industry.

* Putin loves U.S. and U.S. military focus on wokism and CRT.

* Putin loves U.S. OPEN Southern border and unlimited immigration .

* Putin loves the U.S. Democrat Party supports ANTFA an organization that supports anarchy.

* Putin loves that the Democrat Party has divided the nation and has them at each other's throats.

* Putin loves the fact Biden is letting record amount of lethal drugs thru border poisoning our youth.

* Putin loves Biden's DOJ surveillance, arrest and calling terrorist concerned mothers speaking up at School Board meetings.  Really. 

* Putin loves that Biden created runaway inflation, $4.00/gallon+ and high oil prices .

* Putin loves that the Biden family is on the take in Ukraine, China and Russia puting any of his policy in a compromising position .  

* Putin loves the fact that 81,000,000 U.S. citizens voted for Biden.

* Putin loves that Biden escalated the conflict by sending and boasting of sending nuclear bombers to Britain and bombers to Norway giving Putin an excuse to further argue he's threatened and flex his own nuclear power.

Ditto for China 

Can you imagine a worst person as President during this serious situation.  Before Biden ever makes a serious speech he needs 3 or 4 days of rest and preparation at the Relate beach house. Then after the speech needs 2 days to recuperate before they let him out in public.  That's great, a wartime President that needs his naps and calls it a day at 2:00 in he afternoon and that's on a good day.

We still have three more years of Biden.  Can't wait to hear his State Of The Union speech in Congress.

2014 MAP WHERE AT LEAST 50% OF THE OBLASTS WERE PRO RUSSIA AND PROTESTED OR FOUGHT.  RUSSIA MIGHT ANNEX SOME OR ALL OF THESE AND LET A PUTIN INSTALLED PRO RUSSIA GOVERNMENT CONTROL THE REST.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/2014_pro-Russian_unrest_in_Ukraine.png 

Edited February 24, 2022 by bobo88

[notsonice + 1,063]

14 hours ago, bobo88 said:

boring

Looks like this post has run its course.

 Yes we all tire of Russians protecting Putin . Keep people posting here, enjoy this post has not run its course. Time to start expelling Russians from the US. 

[notsonice + 1,063]

1 hour ago, kshithij Sharma said:

Humans play different social roles throughout their lives. At one point a man can play the role of a son, father, husband, friend, doctor/professional etc. Similarly, every soldier is a civilian too depending on which role he is playing. It is absurd to differentiate someone as civilian and soldier just by looking whether he/she has a weapon or not. For example, a woman who is cultivating crops, cooking food, packing ammunition and providing logistics for her husband, brother, neighbour involved in war can't be called as civilian.

The idea of civilians arise from traditional systems of heirarchy where there were clashes between nobility solely to determine who is superior/stronger and the rightful ruler involving limited conflicts and direct confrontation based on rules of honour. Such battles must be compulsorily follow these 3 rules:

1. It is limited to a predesignated battleground with prohibition for using any form of guerilla tactics or war of attrition
2. Separation of warriors from civilians with warriors defined as those present in the battleground
3. Implicit obligation of those not present in the battleground (civilians) to accept the winners of the battle as their rulers

Where the above set of rules are not followed, may be because of:

• Non-combatants having political agendas/ideologies due to which they don't accept the winners of the battle as rulers. Such non-combatants can't be considered as civilians
• Use of guerilla tactics and war of attrition using support from local population/non-combatants. Locals supporting guerilla moves can't be considered civilians as they are actively involved in war logistics and surveillance

Now, tell me, how did you classify someone as civilian or soldier in Yugoslavia/Kosovo war? Did the above 3 rules apply in this scenario? Are you trying to say that a woman can't be involved in war efforts and refugees are always innocent civilians? How are you so sure that Chinese embassy was a collateral damage while the so called "civilian" deaths were not collateral damage?

so sad that you did not even address the war crimes of Slobo in Yugoslavia. Pitiful 

[notsonice + 1,063]

Putin destroying Russia and the Ukraine at the same time. Gazprom stocks crash again today.

Market Summary > Gazprom PAO (EDR)

4.10 USD−2.15 (34.40%)today

Feb 24, 10:01 AM EST • Disclaimer

 

Were is the dimwitted poster claiming he is making tons of money in his investment in Gazprom?????

 

London/Paris (CNN Business)Russian stocks crashed by as much as 45% and the ruble hit a record low against the dollar on Thursday.

The Moscow market rout was triggered by news that Russian troops had launched an attack on Ukraine, a move that is likely to trigger a new wave of "full scale" sanctions aimed at President Vladimir Putin's inner circle and Russia's oil-dependent economy.

A broad offensive by Russian forces targeted military infrastructure across Ukraine as well as several airports. The assault began hours before dawn and quickly spread across central and eastern Ukraine as Russian forces attacked from three sides. Putin warned of bloodshed unless Ukrainian forces lay down their arms.

The Moscow stock exchange had suspended trading earlier on Thursday but when dealing resumed, stocks went into free-fall.

[bobo88 + 58]

16 minutes ago, notsonice said:

so sad that you did not even address the war crimes of Slobo in Yugoslavia. Pitiful 

What ?  Slobo is not from Ukraine. You must have your postboards mixed up.  Not a problem. Just don't do it again. 

Edited February 24, 2022 by bobo88

[bobo88 + 58]

2 minutes ago, notsonice said:

Putin destroying Russia and the Ukraine at the same time. Gazprom stocks crash again today.

Market Summary > Gazprom PAO (EDR)

4.10 USD−2.15 (34.40%)today

Feb 24, 10:01 AM EST • Disclaimer

 

Were is the dimwitted poster claiming he is making tons of money in his investment in Gazprom?????

 

London/Paris (CNN Business)Russian stocks crashed by as much as 45% and the ruble hit a record low against the dollar on Thursday.

The Moscow market rout was triggered by news that Russian troops had launched an attack on Ukraine, a move that is likely to trigger a new wave of "full scale" sanctions aimed at President Vladimir Putin's inner circle and Russia's oil-dependent economy.

A broad offensive by Russian forces targeted military infrastructure across Ukraine as well as several airports. The assault began hours before dawn and quickly spread across central and eastern Ukraine as Russian forces attacked from three sides. Putin warned of bloodshed unless Ukrainian forces lay down their arms.

The Moscow stock exchange had suspended trading earlier on Thursday but when dealing resumed, stocks went into free-fall.

Good time to buy.

Buy low.

Sell high. 

Shaking out the weak sisters.?

The dividend return is huge. 

Edited February 24, 2022 by bobo88