Biden threatens Putin " If . . . . no longer a Nord Stream 2 . . bring end to it"

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On 2/24/2022 at 1:42 PM, surrept33 said:

Ok, so "proxies" for the US would perform the aforementioned cyberattacks. 

As Russia understands, that's the beautiful thing about cyberattacks - plausible deniability. 

Nobody seems to consider it an act of war when Russia cyberattacks them, so...

I repeat. Go for it Joe.  Start WW lll.

Then Putin shuts down infrastructure, internet, governments in U.S.,  Germany, France, Italy , Spain, Poland, Hungry, etc, etc , etc .  .. .  and starts WW lll.

Plausible deniability

 

It was called "MAD"  or "Mutually Assured Distruction" . Only before they meant from nukes.  Now it means from cyber attacks. 

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Edited February 25, 2022 by bobo88

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4 minutes ago, kshithij Sharma said:

True. A pipeline can be shut for political reasons. The reason why the pipeline was shut was Israel occupation of Golan heights. Saudis did not want any transaction with Israel as it did not recognise Israel and hence stopped the pipeline after Israel - Jordan border. Later even that was stopped may be because the capacity was severely underutilised thereby increasing costs. Nevertheless, Saudi oil supply did not stop. Here, Saudi had little to lose as shipping cost is added to oil and it is the buyer who loses additional shipping money, not supplier.

In today's case, Nordstream 2 is not the key but Russian gas is. Unless someone substitutes Russian gas, it will be impossible to stop it. Nord Stream is simply the cheapest route for the gas. EU can choose a more expensive route but it will still be Russian gas and EU will simply be paying more to Russia for no reason. From buyer and political point of view, EU is going to lose if it stops Nordstream and Russia will remain unaffected as it will get its gas revenues regardless

War may end nat gas for Europe from Russia. If I was Ukraine that would be job 1.

 

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5 minutes ago, Boat said:

This next round of sanctions should have happened when Putin messed with the US elections and used Cyber attacks. Same medicine for China and Iran. There would be less disruption this drop in trade happened over time but in the case of Putin, more bad behavior kinda speeds up the process. I hope the world has had enough to do their part ending this trade. 

Russian Hoax was just a Hillary fantasy.

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Just now, bobo88 said:

Russian Hoax was just a Hillary fantasy.

So is an attack on Ukraine. Lol Lies and Vodka. 
 

The US media is saying the US is concerned for Europe. Lol I bet Trump could promise a wall Russia will pay for. 

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46 minutes ago, bobo88 said:

Russian Hoax was just a Hillary fantasy.

What NATO will do (and U.S. will pay for as in an additional $30 billion/year to defend Europe) is build/increase and man military bases in all the former Soviet states that joined NATO (Poland, Romania, Hungry, Balkans, etc).

I think Putin will consider that a win with Ukraine.  I think he knows attacking a NATO member could not be ignored at this time.  Maybe sometime in the future after Russia, China and Germany weaken the United States even more. 

(NOTE: Germany is much closer to Russia and China than they are to the U.S.   Germany is the only EU economy that counts )

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by bobo88

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Sanctions won’t work nearly as well unless India, Japan, S Korea, Australia etc join.  It’s put up or drop out time.

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1 hour ago, Boat said:

So is an attack on Ukraine. Lol Lies and Vodka. 
 

The US media is saying the US is concerned for Europe. Lol I bet Trump could promise a wall Russia will pay for. 

Hoax worked for Russia.

Hoax didn't work for Hillary.

Those Russian soldiers drunk on vodka will have taken the Ukraine Capital Kyiv in 48 to 72 hours.

That's hours not days.  

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by bobo88

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4 minutes ago, bobo88 said:

What NATO will do (and U.S. will pay for as in an additional $30 billion/year) is build/increase and man military bases in all the former Soviet states that joined NATO (Poland, Romania, Hungry, Balkans, etc).

I think Putin will consider that a win with Ukraine.  I think he knows attacking a NATO member could not be ignored at this time.  Maybe sometime in the future after Russia, China and Germany weaken the United States even more. 

 

This military base idea seems far fetched. There are plenty of weapons that are high tech and long range. You should scroll through the Air Force sometime. It’s free to see. 

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19 minutes ago, Boat said:

Sanctions won’t work nearly as well unless India, Japan, S Korea, Australia etc join.  It’s put up or drop out time.

You forgot the 800 lb gorilla , China.  Only Biden could have forced an alliance between Russia and China. 

During the next Presidential debate when some stupid cable news anchor asks " Who is the greatest threat to the U.S. ?".  The answer won't be China.  The answer won't be Russia.  It will be Joe Biden.  

Just kidding, sort of. 

The answer will be the Chinese - Russian Alliance.

Edited February 24, 2022 by bobo88

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China did one thing positive. Their attack on Taiwan fear has over 60 billion in chip manufacturing going up in Arizona. Does Russia use chips yet?

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13 minutes ago, Boat said:

This military base idea seems far fetched. There are plenty of weapons that are high tech and long range. You should scroll through the Air Force sometime. It’s free to see. 

It's being discussed today.  Doubt it is announced today. 

Those weapons are here now.

Russia just invaded Ukraine.

With bases it won't be that Russia invaded Balkans .  They will be attacking NATO (aka U.S. soldiers) Then look out.

Edited February 24, 2022 by bobo88

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4 minutes ago, bobo88 said:

Those weapons are here now.

Russia just invaded Ukraine.

With basis it won't be that Russia invaded Balkans .  They will be attack NATO (aka U.S. soldiers)

Glad you know what will happen. We have culture clash. Your English is so bad at times you make no sense. 

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10 minutes ago, Boat said:

Glad you know what will happen. We have culture clash. Your English is so bad at times you make no sense. 

It's the "twitter age". Short and to the point. No unnecessary words. But you do understand the point being made. Correct ?

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The world is tired of the U.S. coups all over the place. NATO should've been disbanded decades ago.

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2 hours ago, Boat said:

War may end nat gas for Europe from Russia. If I was Ukraine that would be job 1.

 

Biden did not include Russian Energy in today's sanctions. 

Price of oil pulled back.

The one sanction that would have produce the greatest damage to Russia's economy would be kick Russia off of the Banking Transaction System called SWIFT.  Germany told Biden ," don't you dare".  Biden backed down. 

Markets comeback shows the smart money thinks this whole Ukraine situation won't be that bad.

When the Fox Whitehouse correspondent asked Biden about the affect of a long lasting conflict Biden responded, " This won't last long".  He actually said that.

Some people called this all along.

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2 hours ago, Boat said:

So is an attack on Ukraine. Lol Lies and Vodka. 
 

The US media is saying the US is concerned for Europe. Lol I bet Trump could promise a wall Russia will pay for. 

Zelenskyy issued 10,000 rifles to Kyiv bus drivers, teachers, pensioners, etc.

OMG 

Zelenskyy should issue a body bag with each rifle.

 

 

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by bobo88

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14 minutes ago, bobo88 said:

Zelenskyy issued 10,000 rifles to Kyiv bus drivers, teachers, pensioners, etc.

OMG 

Zelenskyy should issue a body bag with each rifle.

 

 

 

Remember Nam? Viet Cong never had much more than rifles...... Putins soldiers will have targets on their backs everywhere they go........ No need for body bags for Team Putin he is bringing in mobile crematoriums. Russia will have 10,000s of urns filled with ashes of their beloved sons shipped back from the streets of Ukraine every month. Watch out for those old ladies ....ha ha ha

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All I wanted was a mutual deal for permament neutral status of Ukraine

Game of chicken from both sides lead us to this

It didnt have to happen.

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All I wanted was a mutual deal to permament neutral status of Ukraine

Game of chicken from both sides lead us to this

It didnt have to happen.

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Kremlin issues 2 demands to Ukraine:

1)Per Minsk2 agreement, disarm

2)Remain neutral; no joining #NATO

No demands for VolodymyrZelensky to step down.

No demand for Ukraine to join Russian Federation.

Putin says incursion can end now if terms are met

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5 hours ago, bobo88 said:

I repeat. Go for it Joe.  Start WW lll.

Then Putin shuts down infrastructure, internet, governments in U.S.,  Germany, France, Italy , Spain, Poland, Hungry, etc, etc , etc .  .. .  and starts WW lll.

Plausible deniability

 

It was called "MAD"  or "Mutually Assured Distruction" . Only before they meant from nukes.  Now it mean from cyber attacks. 

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Ok, fine, let's send them Governor of Texas Greg Abbott to take down Russia's power grids.   🧐

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21 hours ago, notsonice said:

Remember Nam? Viet Cong never had much more than rifles...... Putins soldiers will have targets on their backs everywhere they go........ No need for body bags for Team Putin he is bringing in mobile crematoriums. Russia will have 10,000s of urns filled with ashes of their beloved sons shipped back from the streets of Ukraine every month. Watch out for those old ladies ....ha ha ha

I don't remember Nam.

I wasn't born yet.

How many Cong with rifles died ? 

Estimated deaths of Viet Cong/North Vietnam between 533,00 to 1,489,000.  They won but at what cost.  Don't you feel for that Kyiv bus driver that gets killed trying to fight the Rußian army ? Yes, that busriver who  leaves behind a wife and 3 kids.  For what ?  

Didn't realize Kyiv wads jungle warfare like Nam, with bugi sticks.

Edited February 25, 2022 by bobo88

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12 hours ago, surrept33 said:

Ok, fine, let's send them Governor of Texas Greg Abbott to take down Russia's power grids.   🧐

What the hell are you talking about ? 

Too bad Beto isn't Gov. He could skate board over there and fight those Ruskies. Must be nice being Beto, marry a rich girl and try running and winning for office the rest of your life. 

Edited February 25, 2022 by bobo88

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On 2/24/2022 at 2:27 PM, Boat said:

Glad you know what will happen. We have culture clash. Your English is so bad at times you make no sense. 

So day one Russia attacks from Belarus in the North, Kursk in the North, Crimea in the South and Donbas in the East.

Haven't heard much about the thrust from Donbas in the east ??? Quiet on the Eastern front.  That is because the Ukrainian army have dug in West of Donbas to thwart the Russians Eastern push.. 

The Ukrainian forces dug in West of Donbas is the Ukrainian version of the "Marginot Line" .  Ukraine has committed the major portion of their military in this massive deployment.  Russia is patient.  They're not stupid.  

All these troops committed are now preoccupied in Eastern Ukraine.  They're not in the South or North. Russia will take the South, North, Kyiv Capital and replace the Zelenskyy government .  They will then fight Ukraine's  "Marginot Line" from all sides, plus heavy artillery and Russian Airforce if the Ukrainian's are still up for a fight.  

Edited February 25, 2022 by bobo88

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6 hours ago, Boat said:

China did one thing positive. Their attack on Taiwan fear has over 60 billion in chip manufacturing going up in Arizona. Does Russia use chips yet?

like all amurcns, yours is a warped view. the US blackmailed TSMC into building a fab in the US. btw, how is that fab going? how many years behind schedule?