Biden threatens Putin " If . . . . no longer a Nord Stream 2 . . bring end to it"

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On 2/13/2022 at 2:03 AM, frankfurter said:

illicit drugs are a big problem in the Amurcun army. added to this are the extra genders. morale is low.

What is your point .  

Yes the U.S military has been taken over by woke transgender heroin addicts.  LOL.

What does this have to do with Putin taking a few Russian speaking oblasts in the east. LOL

What ? Once he take Luhansk he moves on to Paris and Berlin next ? 

Europe doesn't care about Ukraine. Former Soviet countries Poland and Hungary voted against bringing Ukraine into NATO.

It's amazing what Ukraine paying the Biden family a few million dollars buys .  

NATO isn't paying for the hundreds of millions in this effort.  Uncle Sam is courtesy of uncle Joe. U.S.  gave $2.5 Billion to Ukraine. Democrat Party needs a whipping boy to buoy their  credentials. 

A waste.

 

 

Edited February 14, 2022 by bobo88

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15 hours ago, nsdp said:

bobo,  Russia has exactly 1 count them 1 flyable combat ready Su-57.  When it is out numbered 122 to 1 by F-22's those are poor odds. Your Mig 31's had last production run in 1994 and they built only 500 total. . Air frames have 2500+ hours on them that is a tired airframe with high maintenance to flight hours.   Hanger Queens. . Notice Russian pilots average 90 hours per month. You need 200 to maintain competence.  We know from our Israeli friends how well  the Russian tank force  (mostly T-72's, how many NEW tanks has Russia built since 1990 and is Put-Put dumb enough to gamble them all in one place.) stand up against A-10's or Tornados much less Rafaels, Eurofighters and Grippens   with cluster bombs. .   You will need a lot of body bags.  Your two carriers are  no threat as long as they have to use the Naval variant of the Mig 29 against the Harry Truman  or the submarines Greece bought from Germany Italy.   The Reagan is on its way to the Suez Canal from Singapore.  You don't have sufficient screening forces for them to defend  themselves and attack something.  Then there is the vulnerability of Russia's rail system.   Armies gotta have bullets beans and toilet paper. Remember supply problems in Afghanistan?  Ukraine will go for your supply trucks  just like they did against the Nazis. Tanks with no fuel are sitting ducks.   Fuel trucks are target 1.   USSR had to use about 50% of its armor escorting fuel trucks in Afghanisatn.  You also have to move food to your local people as well; people gotta eat.   You don't have access to your oil and gas markets or other export markets.  Russia's a big country,  how are you going to feed any one if your electric grid doesn't work, your railroads are on manual signals and you are cut off from the internet?  24th Air Force can shut Russia down  and never leave San Antonio.  Swarms of little drones  that don't show up on radar doing kamikaze attacks on the fuel trucks which burn quickly. The  drones are already in Poland.   433rd Airlift Wing sent them out last week.

The way you boast you don't know any more about care and feeding an army than Nicholas  II.  If Put-Put is dumb enough to use nukes then will be no Russia.  Having Belorussia for an ally is like Germany having Italy as as an ally.  Remember what happened to the Italian 8thb Army when they had the 6th Army's flank at Stalingrad.

Russian SAM systems are extremely robust. None of the NATO airpower will work. In Syria, an S200 shot down a F35 plane of Israel. Israel later covered it up saying that the aircraft was severely damaged in a bird crash. But it was a stupid excuse as the engine of F35 was functional which is the only thing that can get damaged in a bird hit. Now, in Russian home theatre, Russia has massive number of S400 SAM which can easily strike out any hostile plane without breaking a sweat.

15 hours ago, ronwagn said:

It is about freedom also. Do you value it, or not?

Ukraine is not free. The last freely elected president Viktor Yanukovych was overthrown in a coup in 2014. The current Ukrainian govt is authoritarian and reliant on NATO covert military support and has no legitimacy on the ground.

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16 hours ago, nsdp said:

bobo,  Russia has exactly 1 count them 1 flyable combat ready Su-57.  When it is out numbered 122 to 1 by F-22's those are poor odds. Your Mig 31's had last production run in 1994 and they built only 500 total. . Air frames have 2500+ hours on them that is a tired airframe with high maintenance to flight hours.   Hanger Queens. . Notice Russian pilots average 90 hours per month. You need 200 to maintain competence.  We know from our Israeli friends how well  the Russian tank force  (mostly T-72's, how many NEW tanks has Russia built since 1990 and is Put-Put dumb enough to gamble them all in one place.) stand up against A-10's or Tornados much less Rafaels, Eurofighters and Grippens   with cluster bombs. .   You will need a lot of body bags.  

This 2014 map below shows the eastern 1/3 of the country involved at the time.  This is the MOST Putin will take. 

He might only take those oblasts that directly abut the Russian border. That would make all the Azov Sea Russian territory allow control of who enters or not , as well as a buffer against the West and sole owner of any oil and gas within. 

MAP 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/2014_pro-Russian_unrest_in_Ukraine.png

Don't forget Uncle Joe gave Putin the Green Light to invade, " .  .  .  a minor incursion is acceptable , then we will decide what to do" 

knucklehead. This guy is dangerous.  It's like letting your grandfather that has Alzheimer to drive .  

Ukraine will have to make a choice whether to let the conflict to play out in the east or stepping up attacks on Russian (or goading Biden to do it for them) infrastructure etc.  If they chose the later they risk losing Kiev and may the whole country.

Biden's continued rhetoric does not allow for both U.S. and Putin to save face with a negotiated settlement.  It's like Biden wants a conflict ? 

Edited February 13, 2022 by bobo88

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36 minutes ago, bobo88 said:

It's like Biden wants a conflict ? 

Have you forgotten the world anarchy occurring during the Obama administration. Come on you dog faced pony soldier get with it.

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On 2/11/2022 at 6:11 PM, Eric Gagen said:

There's definitely better anti-tank weapons than the Javelin, but it's practically ideal for a force that is short on organization, and heavy equipment that is going to be fighting as an insurgency, for the following reasons:

• .  They are small enough to be reasonably carried by one person (although heavy), and because they are short, they can be hidden a lot of places a larger launcher can't
• They use a 'soft launch' 2 stage propellant that has no backblast area - that means they can be used from inside of small hidden space,or while lying down.
• After launch they are self guiding (heat seeking) so the person who shot it can immediately take cover, or start running away
• They have integrated night vision sights so you can attack in the dark
• It utilizes a 'popup' attack where the penetration and detonation comes from above.  This means not only that it can attack a lot of different types of vehicles, but it's also really effective at blowing up buildings, since they tend to respond very poorly from explosions that come from the top, but underneath the roof. It can also do direct fire if that is desired. 

All in all,  if you have a poorly armed, poorly organized resistance, they are pretty much perfect if you have a little time ahead of time to train people how to use them.  You can hide in the woods somewhere, wait til after dark, aim, shoot and run,  with a reasonable expectation that whatever they pointed at will have a bad day, and a fairly low risk of getting caught if used correctly.   

The idea isn't that this will be some wonder weapon that will stop a Russian invasion in it's tracks - it's that it will enable an effective resistance that makes any invasion and occupation very expensive in lives and equipment.  

I still believe the odds are they go back to plan "A" before Biden screwed it up.

1. They let Putin take the eastern territory he wants.

2.Biden calls for a United Nations Security Council emergency meeting.

3. Biden and Putin agree on the cease fire they agreed a long time ago. 

4. Putin gets the territory he wanted. 

5. Biden gets the Noble Peace prize and a respite from having to discuss his disastrous Presidency

6. Europe didn't care, never did

 

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9 minutes ago, bobo88 said:

1. They let Putin take the eastern territory he wants.

What territory is that exactly? The Donbas seems to be in economic ruin. If he tried to take any of the rest of Ukraine, it is guaranteed that there would be an armed insurgency. Not sure that fits Russia's cost benefit analysis. Let's not forget that Ukrainians seem to be in favor of a separate identity overwhelmingly than that of Russia, except for the Crimea. 

In the end, Putin has very little negotiating power to get what it wants from the US. Maybe so against Europe, but not America. 

Guarantee that this will force the rest of Europe to more quickly be less reliant on Russian energy in the future. Maybe Russia and China will continue to align themselves together, but it's more or less them against the rest of the world. 

Edited February 13, 2022 by surrept33

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4 hours ago, bobo88 said:

Great plan if you want to start World War III and cut off oil and gas flow from Russia to Europe creating Super Economic Depression that is worse than anything Europe has ever seen.

Sounds like a plan.  Let's go for it.

Ukraine is a corrupt nation that has paid BIDEN family millions and squashed an investigation into Hunter.

Europe could care less if Putin takes the pro Russian oblasts in the eastern Ukraine. If Europe doesn't care why should I.S. ?

This is not 1980. Your Democrat Party is living in the past.  There is an economic war going on and the U.S. is losing.  Big time.  I have to hand it to you the U.S. is the most "Woke" country with a very "woke" military.  LOL.

Biden administration didn't care either until that knucklehead said on National TV that " .  .  .  a minor incursion was acceptable, then we decide what to do"

Why is your U.S wasting  time on Ukraine.  Ukraine is a corrupt  country that is one step up from a third world country.

Is it a diversion from this current administration first year Presidency.

Reminds me of Clinton in 1998 when he blew up a baby formula and malaria drug factory with 14 Minuteman missiles (did he really need 14) to distract from his troubles.  Now Biden positions nuclear capable bombers in Britain. Really ?  The guy is nuts. 

NATO gets involved. Stupid .  

 

 

 

The Dems oligarchs have much more money than all of Russia. Hell there are 3 states bigger than tiny Russia. Your like N Korea and the propaganda it puts out. Pretending we should listen and playing important. Russian threats have little relevance unless you suicide like the WWII Germans. 
PS there are 60 destroyers, x amount of subs and intercontinental missiles to deliver nukes. Saying nuclear capable missiles means shyt. You got an extra culvert to hide Putin in? Saddam might have some advice on how not to hide. 

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1 hour ago, bobo88 said:

I still believe the odds are they go back to plan "A" before Biden screwed it up.

1. They let Putin take the eastern territory he wants.

2.Biden calls for a United Nations Security Council emergency meeting.

3. Biden and Putin agree on the cease fire they agreed a long time ago. 

4. Putin gets the territory he wanted. 

5. Biden gets the Noble Peace prize and a respite from having to discuss his disastrous Presidency

6. Europe didn't care, never did

 

I don’t think that Biden is capable of remembering anything that long, much less a 5 step plan over the course of months.  He just sort of stumbles into events as they occur and makes up a response based on what he’s heard about it in the last 20 minutes.  

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1 hour ago, surrept33 said:

 

What territory is that exactly? The Donbas seems to be in economic ruin. If he tried to take any of the rest of Ukraine, it is guaranteed that there would be an armed insurgency. Not sure that fits Russia's cost benefit analysis. Let's not forget that Ukrainians seem to be in favor of a separate identity overwhelmingly than that of Russia, except for the Crimea. 

In the end, Putin has very little negotiating power to get what it wants from the US. Maybe so against Europe, but not America. 

Guarantee that this will force the rest of Europe to more quickly be less reliant on Russian energy in the future. Maybe Russia and China will continue to align themselves together, but it's more or less them against the rest of the world. 

We agree on that. This Russian stunt will cause economic expansion to retreat. There should be a split in trade relations. It may take a decade or longer but eliminating trade with the enemy seems like common sense. There was a large experiment with Russia and China, expanding trade, and it didn’t work. It wasn’t wrong to try, maybe just a little naive. 
Governments have always sacrificed their populations and even economies for big causes. Killing trade with rogue nations may be the best thing for the world. Don’t get mad because Musk may or may not sell you space space. Lol 

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Its not american interest whether Europe trades with Russia or not.

We dont want you overpriced LNG gas.

Its time for Europe to define its geopotlitical interest by themselves not under US hegemony.

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1 minute ago, Eric Gagen said:

I don’t think that Biden is capable of remembering anything that long, much less a 5 step plan over the course of months.  He just sort of stumbles into events as they occur and makes up a response based on what he’s heard about it in the last 20 minutes.  

Are you saying Biden can’t remember how the Republicans and GW almost took down the world? Or remember how he handled the Middle East? Why do you think those Dem’s won those elections. Even some racists voted for a black man they were so pissed. Even today many in your party would support a coup ending 256 years of Democracy because hate trumps the constitution. See what I did there?

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I suggest reading this for 

https://www.oxfordenergy.org/publications/quarterly-gas-review-issue-16/

Quarterly Gas Review – Issue 16

The recent geopolitical tensions between Russia and the West over the Russian build-up of troops close to the Ukrainian border have renewed public debate over Europe’s dependence on hydrocarbons imported from Russia, and natural gas in particular. There is particular concern over the security of pipeline gas deliveries to Europe via Ukraine. In this special edition of the Quarterly Gas Review, we begin by explaining the level of European dependence on gas imported by pipeline from Russia, before setting out several scenarios under which supplies from Russia might be disrupted. We then analyse how Europe might substitute those Russian supplies with supplies from other sources. Finally, using the NexantECA World Gas Model, we lay out three scenarios covering – a partial curtailment of supplies from Russia, a complete cessation of supplies from Russia, and the ‘base case’ but with Nord Stream 2 approval being permanently withheld – and how these scenarios would impact Europe’s gas balance in 2022 and 2023.

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1 minute ago, Tomasz said:

Its not american interest whether Europe trades with Russia or not.

We dont want you overpriced LNG gas.

Its time for Europe to define its geopotlitical interest by themselves not under US hegemony.

Not in our interest. Putin may be little Hitler. Russia certainly is not a stable force in the neighborhood. Europe along with many other countries pool their purchases of American weapon systems to keep them as cheap as possible. This is how they maintain the state of the art edge in technology. It’s a team effort. I don’t expect you Russian supporters to understand that concept. Putin will jail you for admitting it. 
I think you need to read about the world nat gas market over the next 30 years. I don’t think nat gas production can keep up with demand if all nations cooperated and were at peace. Many countries want to kill nuke and coal and use nat gas. Cars are going to electricity. Putin the idiot hates big money. Lol 

Im sure China is watching Putin drive up nat gas prices. He knows China is also dependent on Russian nat gas and oil. I don’t think there is trust building. Japan, India, S Korea, Philippines and all the rest of nat gas/oil consumers are not to happy either. You Russians are so single minded and don’t grasp the global picture. 
World politics churn slowly. Looks to me the free world is paying more for FF and Biden will be looked to punish the trouble maker.

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1 hour ago, Boat said:

Are you saying Biden can’t remember how the Republicans and GW almost took down the world? Or remember how he handled the Middle East? Why do you think those Dem’s won those elections. Even some racists voted for a black man they were so pissed. Even today many in your party would support a coup ending 256 years of Democracy because hate trumps the constitution. See what I did there?

No - I don’t  see what you did there.  I’m not even sure what ‘side’ you think I’m on based on this post.  Biden isn’t on a political team beyond the one he’s told he’s on, or some vague impressions from the last 40 years or so because he’s mentally unwell (probably due to old age) he’s not really in the conversation - he’s a subject of it.  

Edit: In case it isn't clear, no I don't think Biden remembers (or possibly never even knew or understood in the first place) "how the Republicans and GW almost took down the world? Or remember how he handled the Middle East?" The voters do - and that's why he and his team won, but I genuinely don't believe Biden has a good handle on the exact details of what led to that turn of events.  

Edited February 13, 2022 by Eric Gagen

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4 hours ago, kshithij Sharma said:

Russian SAM systems are extremely robust. None of the NATO airpower will work. In Syria, an S200 shot down a F35 plane of Israel. Israel later covered it up saying that the aircraft was severely damaged in a bird crash. But it was a stupid excuse as the engine of F35 was functional which is the only thing that can get damaged in a bird hit. Now, in Russian home theatre, Russia has massive number of S400 SAM which can easily strike out any hostile plane without breaking a sweat.

Ukraine is not free. The last freely elected president Viktor Yanukovych was overthrown in a coup in 2014. The current Ukrainian govt is authoritarian and reliant on NATO covert military support and has no legitimacy on the ground.

So I can put you down as another supporter of Putin the dictator for life of the totalitarian regime of crony capitalists. No different than Hitler. Under the name of communists they were worse than Hitler. They killed and enslaved more people. The Chinese have done even more. You deserve what you get. 

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57 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

So I can put you down as another supporter of Putin the dictator for life of the totalitarian regime of crony capitalists. No different than Hitler. Under the name of communists they were worse than Hitler. They killed and enslaved more people. The Chinese have done even more. You deserve what you get. 

But we knew that 20 years ago. It was our weakness and following the lead of the rich who wanted to chase markets, ignoring the history of many rouge nations. I don’t blame Putin for being Putin. Or XI for being XI. That’s who they are. We are reactionary politically in our own history so maybe there will be enough push to quit trading with those who outside the golden rule philosophy. What trade there is should follow standards that also follow a golden rule philosophy. That’s what a woke would do. 
No Trump loves Putin bs anymore. The non woke need to move on and pay their taxes.

Edited February 13, 2022 by Boat

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18 hours ago, ronwagn said:

There are already proposals to impeach Biden. They should be instituted shortly after the next election. He is an easy target for impeachment. The only thing protecting him might be RINOS that survive and the mainstream media power. I don't know how much they have left after the lies of the last few years. They are considered to be unreliable by most. 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-dips-second-lowest-record.aspx

If the republicans take the House I am sure Biden will be impeached daily. However there is no mathematical way for Republicans to take enough of the Senate to convict.

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20 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

If the republicans take the House I am sure Biden will be impeached daily. However there is no mathematical way for Republicans to take enough of the Senate to convict.

A plethora comes to mind...You may wish to acquire a new calculator...avoid solar....nasty stuff as of late.

Elections to the U.S. Senate will be held on November 8, 2022, and 34 of the 100 seats

Fourteen seats held by Democrats 

https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Senate_elections,_2022

 

What the Democrats don't want you to know: Party lost more than 1,030 seats in state legislatures, governor's mansions and Congress during Barack Obama's presidency

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4063898/As-Obama-accomplished-policy-goals-party-floundered.html

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4 hours ago, surrept33 said:

 

What territory is that exactly? The Donbas seems to be in economic ruin. If he tried to take any of the rest of Ukraine, it is guaranteed that there would be an armed insurgency. Not sure that fits Russia's cost benefit analysis. Let's not forget that Ukrainians seem to be in favor of a separate identity overwhelmingly than that of Russia, except for the Crimea. 

In the end, Putin has very little negotiating power to get what it wants from the US. Maybe so against Europe, but not America. 

Guarantee that this will force the rest of Europe to more quickly be less reliant on Russian energy in the future. Maybe Russia and China will continue to align themselves together, but it's more or less them against the rest of the world. 

1. An insurgency is not guaranteed success in the 1/3 eastern Ukraine when a majority are pro Russia. There will be one but after initial targets hit it will Peter out.  Some U.S stingers will knock out some tanks and vehicles.  But that's it. 

2. The Western 2/3 seem to be in favor of separate identity.  Good for them. Let it be. 

3. Russia doesn't want anything from U.S.  Maybe Putin wants that dope in the Whitehouse to stop calling him.  Then again Putin might enjoy the calls for a good laugh.  I visual Putin gathering his drinking buddies around the speaker phone and saying, " OK, I'm going to can him now . If you laugh out loud I won't invite you back.  This will be hilarious"

4. You think Europe will move quickly to be less reliant on Russian energy ? TOO WHAT ? ? ? LOL.

I'm not routing for Russia or Ukraine.

I just don't care .  I believe Europe doesn't care (except for may the Balkans).

I do wonder why the U.S. continues to support this corrupt country.  Must be the corrupt U.S. politicians.

Russia will take part of the eastern geography.  It won't take long. 

Edited February 13, 2022 by bobo88

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34 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

If the republicans take the House I am sure Biden will be impeached daily. However there is no mathematical way for Republicans to take enough of the Senate to convict.

Who knows. By the time the Midterms are over most of the Senate Democrats could be anxious to also impeach him.

Edited February 13, 2022 by bobo88

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12 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

A plethora comes to mind...You may wish to acquire a new calculator...avoid solar....nasty stuff as of late.

Elections to the U.S. Senate will be held on November 8, 2022, and 34 of the 100 seats

Fourteen seats held by Democrats 

https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Senate_elections,_2022

 

What the Democrats don't want you to know: Party lost more than 1,030 seats in state legislatures, governor's mansions and Congress during Barack Obama's presidency

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4063898/As-Obama-accomplished-policy-goals-party-floundered.html

I see you still haven't read the Constitution:

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present. https://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm#a1_sec3

Two thirds of the Senate is 67 votes. If Republicans win all 14 Dem seats they will only have 64 votes.

 

Edited February 13, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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2 hours ago, ronwagn said:

So I can put you down as another supporter of Putin the dictator for life of the totalitarian regime of crony capitalists. No different than Hitler. Under the name of communists they were worse than Hitler. They killed and enslaved more people. The Chinese have done even more. You deserve what you get. 

Ronwagn

Who has more crony capitalist Russia or the U.S.   .  .  .  .   .  or China ?

 

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3 hours ago, Tomasz said:

Its not american interest whether Europe trades with Russia or not.

We dont want you overpriced LNG gas.

Its time for Europe to define its geopotlitical interest by themselves not under US hegemony.

Did you notice that Macron didn't trust Biden's call yesterday (Saturday) to Putin.

He called for himself before one upping Biden.  He wanted to make sure where Putin understood where NATO stands.  He knew Biden could be trusted with an hour phone call .

Can you imagine Biden talking for one hour ?  It's a conversation , not a speech he reads off of a teleprompter.  He had to think.

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3 hours ago, Boat said:

We agree on that. This Russian stunt will cause economic expansion to retreat. There should be a split in trade relations. It may take a decade or longer but eliminating trade with the enemy seems like common sense. There was a large experiment with Russia and China, expanding trade, and it didn’t work. It wasn’t wrong to try, maybe just a little naive. 
Governments have always sacrificed their populations and even economies for big causes. Killing trade with rogue nations may be the best thing for the world. Don’t get mad because Musk may or may not sell you space space. Lol 

U.S. dose not trade much with Russia.  Europe does. Especially Germany.

German looks at Russia as a trading partner.

Not so much an enemy like your U.S. democratic party..

It's 2022.

Not 1980.

Woke America better wake up.

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4 hours ago, Boat said:

The Dems oligarchs have much more money than all of Russia. Hell there are 3 states bigger than tiny Russia. Your like N Korea and the propaganda it puts out. Pretending we should listen and playing important. Russian threats have little relevance unless you suicide like the WWII Germans. 
PS there are 60 destroyers, x amount of subs and intercontinental missiles to deliver nukes. Saying nuclear capable missiles means shyt. You got an extra culvert to hide Putin in? Saddam might have some advice on how not to hide. 

What the heck are you rambling about.

This post is discussing Russia taking a few Ukraine oblasts. That's it.

I'm saying Brandon sending Nuclear bombers to Britain is insane, stupid and he should be committed to a mental health facility.

Biden is more dangerous to the U.S. than 20 Russia's. 

You're starting to sound like Uncle Joe

Try to follow the conversation.  

PS. If it ever came to WW lll nobody will be spared.  Both China and Russia are ahead of the U.S. on ballistic nuke missiles. Pray we will never see it. 

Edited February 13, 2022 by bobo88