Biden threatens Putin " If . . . . no longer a Nord Stream 2 . . bring end to it"

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15 minutes ago, bobo88 said:

U.S. dose not trade much with Russia.  Europe does. Especially Germany.

German looks at Russia as a trading partner.

Not so much an enemy like your U.S. democratic party..

It's 2022.

Not 1980.

Woke America better wake up.

Germany has more or less mirrored America:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-hopes-putin-meet-will-yield-insight-into-his-aims-govt-source-2022-02-13/

Putin has made NATO as united than ever. It seems like he's kind of overplayed his hand. 

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15 hours ago, surrept33 said:

Germany has more or less mirrored America:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-hopes-putin-meet-will-yield-insight-into-his-aims-govt-source-2022-02-13/

Putin has made NATO as strong as ever. It seems like he's kind of overplayed his hand. 

NATO is worthless.

It's no longer relevant.  

U.S. is wasting their time and money running around trying to play international police while economic powers like China and Germany are fighting/investing in the economic war .  U.S. is losing that war.  

U.S. stayed in Afghanistan too long. Spent trillions. Gets embarrassed then China walks in and signs deals for the treasure chest of minerals such as lithium, copper, oil, gas , etc, etc. etc, etc, etc. to name a few.

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How much do you want to pay for US gasoline in a case of severe sanctions on Russia?

Oil even now is nearly triple digits. 

Just in time before US mid-term elections for Biden.

Inflation is at 40 year record level and looks good from Putin point of view. Inflation at over 10 % - why not.

So severe sanctions on Russia who is now a world energy price fixer you can exclude from the very begining.

Finally there will agreement on federalization of Ukraine.

Let me reveal you a secret- Putin DOESNT WANT TO ANNEX UKRAINE

Russia simply wants to bankrupt Ukraine by very high oil, NG and coal price and recent mess and war histeria that hurts Ukraine economically much harder than Russia

On Ukraine currently we have a record capital outflow and its best guarantee of no FDI for at least next couple of years because noone invest in future war zone.

For Putin - yes capital outflow. But at the same time oil nearly triple digits and NG at 25 $ per Mbbtu for Europe

Instead of weapons Ukraine needs a lot more a new Marshall aid programme - but it wont get it.

Its subject of annoying and deterring Russia and noone cares about well-being of Ukrainians.

Russian plan is to make live there so miserable that they finaly elect prorussian candidate.

Its a matter of sphere of infuence not annexation.

And Russian will  finally win?

 Why = because its much more determined and West needs a litle bit more neutral Russia in confrontation with China much more than Ukraine.

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Russia's plan is being implemented.

Due to the Western panic foreign investors now imposed much stricter sanctions on Ukraine than ever on Russia.The current crisis will have a heavy impact on the Ukrainian economy 

 Anyway the Russians are just watching - we have not even attacked yet and the Western diplomats, foreign instructors and Ukrainian oligarchs are fleeing in panic

This is a best proof for a reasonable man how much Ukraine is worth to them despite the never-ending propaganda.

If you are not going to defend Ukraine its high time to end discussion about NATO acession.

 

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Real assessment of the geostrategic situation in the region (without the wish concert):

- Ukraine will not join NATO / EU

- Crimea will not return to Ukraine

- The sale of weapons to Ukraine will not stop the possible aggression of Russia -

Sanctions will not deter Putin

- NATO will not fight for Ukraine.

The western impact zone ends at the Bug River.

The West has conquered that much after the collapse of the USSR but there will be no further expansion.

The end of US hegemony is near we are close to the formation of a new multipolar order since at least 2008.

Edited February 14, 2022 by Tomasz

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21 hours ago, ronwagn said:

There are already proposals to impeach Biden. They should be instituted shortly after the next election. He is an easy target for impeachment. The only thing protecting him might be RINOS that survive and the mainstream media power. I don't know how much they have left after the lies of the last few years. They are considered to be unreliable by most. 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-dips-second-lowest-record.aspx

The problem remains then you have an equally Pathetic Vice President to take his place.
 

She will not quietly stand by as others tell her what to do, say, sign etc.

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19 hours ago, Boat said:

So you gonna bake patriot cakes to hide the freedom files to break Trump out of jail? I suppose you’ll run McConnall as a replacement. I hear Pence is looking for a VP job without coup powers. Flushing documents on Jan 6, really? Lol Cheeto is a moral champion.

You really are some pathetic diehard Democrat, You need help, Call 911 or the Suicide prevention line!

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6 hours ago, Tomasz said:

Its not american interest whether Europe trades with Russia or not.

We dont want you overpriced LNG gas.

Its time for Europe to define its geopotlitical interest by themselves not under US hegemony.

disagree. EU-RU trade is entirely an American interest.  minus control of the EU, Amurcun power falls. Europeans need to remove their veils imposed by the zionists, see history and themselves clearly, and grow some scrotums.   As for invasions, I recall history lessons...  Charlemagne [France invades Russia].  Napoleon [France invades Russia].  UK tries to take Crimea (Crimean war). Hitler [Germany invades USSR (Russia)].  NATO (not one inch eastward) arms the entire central EU countries, invades and breaks up Yugoslavia, coerces Turkey to join, etc.  History would seem to show Russia has legitimate concerns about military attacks from the EU and south.  Or would you disagree?

 

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On 2/11/2022 at 11:07 AM, RichieRich216 said:

Nord Stream fans, No worries, brain dead Biden, will forget what he said in an hour.

Richie, you are the one who is brain dead.   All Biden has to is turn it over to Austin and Milley and get out of the way. They will handle it from there.   It is a cinch that the only uniform you have worn is a clown suit.

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1 hour ago, Tomasz said:

Real assessment of the geostrategic situation in the region (without the wish concert):

- Ukraine will not join NATO / EU

- Crimea will not return to Ukraine

- The sale of weapons to Ukraine will not stop the possible aggression of Russia -

Sanctions will not deter Putin

- NATO will not fight for Ukraine.

The western impact zone ends at the Bug River.

The West has conquered that much after the collapse of the USSR but there will be no further expansion.

The end of US hegemony is near we are close to the formation of a new multipolar order since at least 2008.

Tomaz, NATO is as united as I have seen since 1956.   France and the US agree on something. 

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2 hours ago, Tomasz said:

Russia's plan is being implemented.

Due to the Western panic foreign investors now imposed much stricter sanctions on Ukraine than ever on Russia.The current crisis will have a heavy impact on the Ukrainian economy 

 Anyway the Russians are just watching - we have not even attacked yet and the Western diplomats, foreign instructors and Ukrainian oligarchs are fleeing in panic

This is a best proof for a reasonable man how much Ukraine is worth to them despite the never-ending propaganda.

If you are not going to defend Ukraine its high time to end discussion about NATO acession.

 

Tomaz , a reasonable man will remember Mussolini and his big mouth.  How did he make out with his invasion of Greece in 1940 or the invasion of Egypt in 1940.  You have the same arrogant stupidity as the US top brass did in 1961 or the Chinese showed in 1979 in the invasion of Vietnam.   China had to turn tail and go home..   You really think the Belorussians can stand up to the Poles?  Every day Put=Put delays is another day the US, UK and France can deliver supplies.   I live in the approach/takeoff pattern for  Randolph AFB and Kelly field.  I haven't seen the 433rd fly this much since the time we went into Afghanistan.   7 C-5's outbound today. Poor Russian infantry , lambs to the slaughter.

Tell me how did the Russian Army fare against the Finns in 1939. Ukraine will be like invading Finland except  the US , France Britain Germany Poland won't hold out false hopes of assistance; several thousand  tons of supplies have already started arriving.  Russia would not have survived WWII any more than the UK or China without Lend-Lease   Who is send sending military supplies to Russia? How many thousand tons/day?  Mud comes soon.   Put=Put has  15 days before he is screwed like Hitler by waiting too long. .

The other thing  you and fools like Ritchie andFoot in mouth forget is we can make a total fool of Put_Put as an example to Xi and the CCP.   Kill two birds with one stone. China will learn they had better shut up about Taiwan and keep their navy at  home.

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12 hours ago, nsdp said:

Richie, you are the one who is brain dead.   All Biden has to is turn it over to Austin and Milley and get out of the way. They will handle it from there.   It is a cinch that the only uniform you have worn is a clown suit.

Austin and Miley are WOKE as***! As far as to what I did or didn't wear as a uniform, Well our family has been in every war and police action since World War I, even my oldest served, we take pride in our family of our service!

I have some nice reminders to shoulder and left thigh. 

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5 hours ago, bobo88 said:

Did you notice that Macron didn't trust Biden's call yesterday (Saturday) to Putin.

He called for himself before one upping Biden.  He wanted to make sure where Putin understood where NATO stands.  He knew Biden could be trusted with an hour phone call .

Can you imagine Biden talking for one hour ?  It's a conversation , not a speech he reads off of a teleprompter.  He had to think.

Obviously  Bobo you arent smart enough to realize that Put_Put has gotten the US and France to agree on foreign Policy since 1956

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1 hour ago, nsdp said:

Richie, you are the one who is brain dead.   All Biden has to is turn it over to Austin and Milley and get out of the way. They will handle it from there.   It is a cinch that the only uniform you have worn is a clown suit.

Austin  and Milley.

Is that the best U.S. can do ?

Sec of State Austin is teaching the armed forces and Pentagon "Critical Race Theory" while he should have been planning the safe withdrawal of US troops and friends from Afghanistan.  Austin and Biden have blood on their hands.

Thirteen young soldiers dead. 

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Just now, bobo88 said:

Austin  and Millet.

Is that the best U.S. can do ?

 

4 minutes ago, bobo88 said:

Austin  and Millet.

Is that the best U.S. can do ?

Better than the jokers you have.

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15 minutes ago, nsdp said:

Obviously  Bobo you arent smart enough to realize that Put_Put has gotten the US and France to agree on foreign Policy since 1956

Sure.

U.S. and France agree when the camera is on them.  

That's why Macron preempted Biden on the Saturday and called Putin before he did.

All the Euro leaders are laughing at Biden and the U.S. citizens that voted for him

 

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10 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

Austin and Miley are WOKE as***! As far as to what I did or didn't wear as a uniform, Well our family has been in every war and police action since World War I, even my oldest served, we take pride in our family of our service!

I have some nice reminders to shoulder and left thigh. 

Welcome to the club. I have just one kidney.  Which side was your family on in the Civil War.  We fought for the Constitution no traitors in our family.

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6 minutes ago, nsdp said:

 

Better than the jokers you have.

LOL

I have Austin and Milley unfortunately.

 

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14 minutes ago, bobo88 said:

Austin  and Millet.

Is that the best U.S. can do ?

Sec of State Austin is teaching the armed forces and Pentagon "Critical Race Theory" while he should have been planning the safe withdrawal of US troops and friends from Afghanistan.  Austin and Biden have blood on their hands.

The disaster in Kabul was originally Chump's deal lest you forget. Nowhere nearly as bad as weapons of mass destruction or leaving the exit to Tora Bora unguarded when Britain offered a battalion of the best mountain troops in the world.  The Gurkha  Rifles.

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1 hour ago, nsdp said:

Tomaz , a reasonable man will remember Mussolini and his big mouth.  How did he make out with his invasion of Greece in 1940 or the invasion of Egypt in 1940.  You have the same arrogant stupidity as the US top brass did in 1961 or the Chinese showed in 1979 in the invasion of Vietnam.   China had to turn tail and go home..   You really think the Belorussians can stand up to the Poles?  Every day Put=Put delays is another day the US, UK and France can deliver supplies.   I live in the approach/takeoff pattern for  Randolph AFB and Kelly field.  I haven't seen the 433rd fly this much since the time we went into Afghanistan.   7 C-5's outbound today. Poor Russian infantry , lambs to the slaughter.

Tell me how did the Russian Army fare against the Finns in 1939. Ukraine will be like invading Finland except  the US , France Britain Germany Poland won't hold out false hopes of assistance; several thousand  tons of supplies have already started arriving.  Russia would not have survived WWII any more than the UK or China without Lend-Lease   Who is send sending military supplies to Russia? How many thousand tons/day?  Mud comes soon.   Put=Put has  15 days before he is screwed like Hitler by waiting too long. .

The other thing  you and fools like Ritchie andFoot in mouth forget is we can make a total fool of Put_Put as an example to Xi and the CCP.   Kill two birds with one stone. China will learn they had better shut up about Taiwan and keep their navy at  home.

excellent. you are right, Hitler waited. stop barking, get moving. no time to lose.  let's see the great amurcun army in a real fight. and, let's see you at the front line. be sure to tell your relatives to post their thoughts after DC  and San Diego are vapourised.

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7 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

I see you still haven't read the Constitution:

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present. https://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm#a1_sec3

Two thirds of the Senate is 67 votes. If Republicans win all 14 Dem seats they will only have 64 votes.

 

There are already two Democrats that might go along and there are plenty of other possibles. Two years later another third come up for election in a presidential year also. 

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29 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

There are already two Democrats that might go along and there are plenty of other possibles. Two years later another third come up for election in a presidential year also. 

Two Democrats makes only 66 which is still less than 67. Most of the Democrat Senate seats up for election are in diehard blue states. There are no other possibilities. 

Two years later is the Presidential election. If the Democrats win the Presidency they certainly aren't losing two thirds of the Senate. 

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7 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

I see you still haven't read the Constitution:

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present. https://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm#a1_sec3

Two thirds of the Senate is 67 votes. If Republicans win all 14 Dem seats they will only have 64 votes.

 

Are you daft? Only a mass defection with in the Democratic Party will save it from being disbanded. Manchin&Sinema have been leading the movement for the past 8 months.

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Just now, Eyes Wide Open said:

Are you daft? Only a mass defection with in the Democratic Party will save it from being disbanded. Manchin&Sinema have been leading the movement for the past 8 months.

Huh? What senile BS are you babbling about now?

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Putin does not want Ukraine to be a NATO member and have nukes installed on its border. Think of the Cuba crisis Mk II. Putin will invade the country the moment the first inkling of a NATA membership becomes firm. He has said this many a time, and we now see that this is not just a threat but a real consequence. So why is this the time to really make a stand? Putin has the money (oil and gas prices through the roof) and Biden can't afford to look weak. Unless Biden backs down, we get war.

What can Europe do? At the moment, there is not enough natural gas without the Russians. The EU consumes 380 Bcm a year, The EU produces 47 Bcm itself, the rest is import from Russia, Norway and North Africa. Russia is by far the largest exporter, and it provides 38% of the gas (144 Bcm). 144 Bcm is about 700 Q-Max LNG tankers, or about 2 LNG tankers a day. Additional production from the pipeline exporters is even less likely. No ullage and/or no production capacity. That's the gap that needs to be filled if Putin would close off the pipelines. That's not realistic in the next 5-10 years, so Europe cannot do a thing, except for telling Biden to stop the unholy idea of pushing NATO into Ukraine.