Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 25, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 4:57 PM, Rob Plant said: Utter nonsense you fool! To try to dodge this by blaming a Ukranian armoured vehicle is disgusting frankly and belittles you and your country. As if a Ukranian tank would deliberately do this to its own civilians is ludicrous and you know it. Have you no shame at all Andrei? Expand Here, a close-up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfB_T6QKo8c Russia does not use this kind of armored vehicle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 25, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 5:23 PM, Strangelovesurfing said: How can you tell the difference? Ukrainian or Russian pretty hard to tell the difference between brothers. The first recorded case of brother killing brother ended up with one being marked with shame for eternity. Expand Close up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfB_T6QKo8c Russia does not use this kind of armored vehicle. With extra Strela launcher in the back? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strangelovesurfing + 737 JD February 25, 2022 (edited) On 2/25/2022 at 5:27 PM, Andrei Moutchkine said: Close up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfB_T6QKo8c Russia does not use this kind of armored vehicle. With extra Strela launcher in the back? Expand Still looks like brothers killing brothers to me, shame echos into eternity. Edited February 25, 2022 by Strangelovesurfing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 25, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 5:34 PM, Strangelovesurfing said: Still looks like brothers killing brothers to me, shame echos into eternity. Expand Sure. The Ukrainians have been doing this for the last 8 years, with your tacit approval. This is an attempt to ends the war decisively, not to start it. The specific incident is obviously an accident. You can see in the blowup that the driver lost control of the vehicle. Which is an odd version of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MT-LB with an extra Strela launcher endemic to Ukraine. (The Soviet original is only armed with small arms and is a towing vehicle, not a proper APC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,491 February 25, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 5:46 PM, Andrei Moutchkine said: This is an attempt to ends the war decisively, not to start it. Expand Yep, Russia started the war 8 years ago and is now attempting to decisively finish it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,491 February 25, 2022 (edited) On 2/25/2022 at 5:46 PM, Andrei Moutchkine said: Sure. The Ukrainians have been doing this for the last 8 years, with your tacit approval. This is an attempt to ends the war decisively, not to start it. The specific incident is obviously an accident. You can see in the blowup that the driver lost control of the vehicle. Which is an odd version of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MT-LB with an extra Strela launcher endemic to Ukraine. (The Soviet original is only armed with small arms and is a towing vehicle, not a proper APC) Expand Russia also operates them: 23 NOVEMBER 2021 Russian forces receive 9M333 SAMs The Russian MoD has taken delivery of 9M333 SAMs for its Strela-10M3 short-range air defence systems. (Russian MoD) The Russian Ministry of Defence (MoD) has received “the first mass deliveries” of 9M333 surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) from Kalashnikov, Rostec announced on its website on 18 November. Rostec said the new missile is designed to arm the Strela-10M3 air defence system 9A34M3 and 9A35M3 combat vehicles. It replaces legacy 9M37 missiles, which only had a dual-mode seeker. The 9M333 can be traced back to 1989, but Rostec stated that the missile delivered to the MoD was first demonstrated publicly at the Army 2020 exhibition before successfully completing qualification tests for the Russian MoD last December. Development of the missile was initiated in 2018 and the successful tests in December 2020 led to its serial production. https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/russian-forces-receive-9m333-sams#:~:text=The 9M333 has a horizontal,range of low-flying aircraft. Edited February 25, 2022 by Jay McKinsey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,491 February 25, 2022 (edited) On 2/25/2022 at 5:27 PM, Andrei Moutchkine said: Close up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfB_T6QKo8c Russia does not use this kind of armored vehicle. With extra Strela launcher in the back? Expand And here are the Russians using them:https://www.gazeta.ru/army/news/2021/11/18/16875835.shtml https://www.123rf.com/photo_136497422_kadamovskiy-training-ground-rostov-region-russia-august-26-2018-international-military-technical-for.html Edited February 25, 2022 by Jay McKinsey 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,291 DM February 25, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 6:44 PM, Jay McKinsey said: Yep, Russia started the war 8 years ago and is now attempting to decisively finish it. Expand The only way Putin will find a country to partner up with him is by force. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,491 February 25, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 7:50 PM, notsonice said: The only way Putin will find a country to partner up with him is by force. Expand How Russia does immigration to make up for their dwindling population. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 25, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 7:26 PM, Jay McKinsey said: Russia also operates them: 23 NOVEMBER 2021 Russian forces receive 9M333 SAMs The Russian MoD has taken delivery of 9M333 SAMs for its Strela-10M3 short-range air defence systems. (Russian MoD) The Russian Ministry of Defence (MoD) has received “the first mass deliveries” of 9M333 surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) from Kalashnikov, Rostec announced on its website on 18 November. Rostec said the new missile is designed to arm the Strela-10M3 air defence system 9A34M3 and 9A35M3 combat vehicles. It replaces legacy 9M37 missiles, which only had a dual-mode seeker. The 9M333 can be traced back to 1989, but Rostec stated that the missile delivered to the MoD was first demonstrated publicly at the Army 2020 exhibition before successfully completing qualification tests for the Russian MoD last December. Development of the missile was initiated in 2018 and the successful tests in December 2020 led to its serial production. https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/russian-forces-receive-9m333-sams#:~:text=The 9M333 has a horizontal,range of low-flying aircraft. Expand I suppose it is possible https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K35_Strela-10 9M333 Strela is a MANPADS. It does not really require a specific vehicle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K34_Strela-3 There was not really any Russian armor in Kiev at the time it was taken. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 25, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 7:32 PM, Jay McKinsey said: And here are the Russians using them:https://www.gazeta.ru/army/news/2021/11/18/16875835.shtml https://www.123rf.com/photo_136497422_kadamovskiy-training-ground-rostov-region-russia-august-26-2018-international-military-technical-for.html Expand OK, didn't know a Russian one like this existed, too. The one in the video had no round antenna dish. Possibly a square one further forward? There was no Russian armor in the middle of Kiev when this was taken. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 25, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 6:44 PM, Jay McKinsey said: Yep, Russia started the war 8 years ago and is now attempting to decisively finish it. Expand https://twitter.com/ValLisitsa/status/1496655938106839046 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,291 DM February 25, 2022 (edited) Ukraine will be Russia's Vietnam, When they finally figure it out that they are not wanted they will have 50,000 Russians in body bags. A lot of pissed off mothers will never forgive Putin. No one ever called Lyndon Johnson a great American Patriot. Everyone hated him by the time 1969 ended. Edited February 25, 2022 by notsonice 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 25, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 11:47 PM, notsonice said: Ukraine will be Russia's Vietnam, When they finally figure it out that they are not wanted they will have 50,000 Russians in body bags. A lot of pissed off mothers will never forgive Putin. No one ever called Lyndon Johnson a great American Patriot. Everyone hated him by the time 1969 ended. Expand Nah. A lot of people in Ukraine actually greet the Russians as liberators. You would too if they prohibited your very language. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 26, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 11:48 AM, Rob Plant said: Ukraine crisis: Russia has failed to take any of its major objectives and has lost 450 personnel, Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-crisis-russia-has-failed-to-take-any-of-its-major-objectives-and-has-lost-450-personnel-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-12550928 Expand How many tanks killed? It seems they are being held in reserve out of fear of hundreds of dead tanks. No air superiority either. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 26, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 11:51 PM, Andrei Moutchkine said: Nah. A lot of people in Ukraine actually greet the Russians as liberators. You would too if they prohibited your very language. Expand You have been grossly misled and all the proof is out there for everyone to see. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 26, 2022 On 2/26/2022 at 12:16 AM, ronwagn said: How many tanks killed? It seems they are being held in reserve out of fear of hundreds of dead tanks. No air superiority either. Expand Ukraine claims 30, Russia claims 0. I've seen at least one. They are not being held in reserve. Yes, air superiority. You are not seeing Russian armor because they are largely avoiding entering cities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 26, 2022 On 2/26/2022 at 12:17 AM, ronwagn said: You have been grossly misled and all the proof is out there for everyone to see. Expand You are the one being misled. I can actually understand what the locals are talking about on the videos. Why do you insist on following just one side of the war propaganda? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 26, 2022 On 2/26/2022 at 12:56 AM, Andrei Moutchkine said: You are the one being misled. I can actually understand what the locals are talking about on the videos. Why do you insist on following just one side of the war propaganda? Expand The Russian people do not even want Ukraine invaded, but Andrei knows better. Personally, I think Putin has lost his common sense and should be deposed in any way needed. The Russian people are some of the poorest people in the western world due to Putin. Now they will be even poorer. Andrei doesn't care. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 26, 2022 On 2/26/2022 at 1:00 AM, ronwagn said: The Russian people do not even want Ukraine invaded, but Andrei knows better. Personally, I think Putin has lost his common sense and should be deposed in any way needed. The Russian people are some of the poorest people in the western world due to Putin. Now they will be even poorer. Andrei doesn't care. Expand The Russian people are poor due to you trying to wreck their economy, perhaps? Don't confuse cause and effect. The support for the invasion is far from universal indeed, but I suppose nothing else worked. It was time to stop the war in Donbass, it has been going on for longer than WWII now. You should love Putin. He is the best thing that could happen for American arms sales. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 26, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 11:47 PM, notsonice said: Ukraine will be Russia's Vietnam, When they finally figure it out that they are not wanted they will have 50,000 Russians in body bags. A lot of pissed off mothers will never forgive Putin. No one ever called Lyndon Johnson a great American Patriot. Everyone hated him by the time 1969 ended. Expand According to US intelligence, Ukraine got about 72 hours left. The smarter mothers ought to know who to be pissed at - you. The new Nazi Ukraine was your proxy all along. You should love Putin. Best thing that could happen to American arms sales, you'll see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,491 February 26, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 11:07 PM, Andrei Moutchkine said: OK, didn't know a Russian one like this existed, too. The one in the video had no round antenna dish. Possibly a square one further forward? There was no Russian armor in the middle of Kiev when this was taken. Expand The video says a suburb of Kyiv. It has been widely reported that Russian armor was on the edge of Kyiv since yesterday. The one in the video has a round antenna dish. In the stowed position it is in the back. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 26, 2022 (edited) On 2/26/2022 at 1:12 AM, Jay McKinsey said: The video says a suburb of Kyiv. It has been widely reported that Russian armor was on the edge of Kyiv since yesterday. The one in the video has a round antenna dish. In the stowed position it is in the back. Expand The Russian armor is staging at the Hastomel airport. Which is the "edge of Kiev" that matters. There should be a fat Z on it if it were Russian. Next, you are bringing up the version that there are Russian saboteurs wearing Ukrainian uniforms who have been stealing Ukrainian armor? This is what the Ukrainian TV came up with, when it was firmly established that the vehicle was Ukrainian. Apparently, MT-LB upgraded with Strela go all the way back to USSR. Which I didn't know. Edited February 26, 2022 by Andrei Moutchkine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,491 February 26, 2022 On 2/26/2022 at 1:26 AM, Andrei Moutchkine said: The Russian armor is staging at the Hastomel airport. Which is the "edge of Kiev" that matters. There should be a fat Z on it if it were Russian. Next, you are bringing up the version that there are Russian saboteurs wearing Ukrainian uniforms who have been stealing Ukrainian armor? This is what the Ukrainian TV came up with, when it was firmly established that the vehicle was Ukrainian. Expand I'm just debunking your Russian misinformation campaign that Russia doesn't have that kind of vehicle. You do realize that the suburbs are on the edge of a city and that they extend out to and past Hastomel? I'm also impressed that the Russian army is telling you all of its armored vehicle locations. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,291 DM February 26, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 11:51 PM, Andrei Moutchkine said: Nah. A lot of people in Ukraine actually greet the Russians as liberators. You would too if they prohibited your very language. Expand A lot of people in Vietnam viewed the US as saviors from the communists. You do not remember? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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