Tom Nolan + 2,443 TN February 27, 2022 'Question All Of It' - The Current Western Propaganda For Ukraine Is Epic In Scale https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/26/the-first-casualty-of-war-is-the-truth-the-current-western-propaganda-for-ukraine-is-epic-in-scale/ https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/question-all-it-current-western-propaganda-ukraine-epic-scale The First Casualty of War Is the Truth – The Current Western Propaganda for Ukraine Is Epic in Scale February 26, 2022 | Sundance | 682 Comments When we shared yesterday that all interested observers should be very wary of the information from media sources around Ukraine, there was a reason for that. Question everything. Take nothing at face value. If you have never experienced the propaganda push surrounding war, the totality of the inbound bullsh*t can be destabilizing, overwhelming and unnerving. It’s one of the reasons why CTH doesn’t share immediate information. Everyone has an agenda. Everything we are seeing in U.S. media surrounding U.S. interests in Ukraine is a massive propaganda operation with the headquarters in the U.S. State Department and U.S. intelligence community. The sense of sympathy you are feeling is part of an intentionally manipulative operation from within this DC matrix. The images, pictures, videos, speeches, soundbites and the cinematography broadcast by U.S. corporate media are all purposefully intended to create a very specific outlook within the American people toward the issues in Ukraine. The leftist United Nations, and the leftist U.S State Dept, will work together on this just like they have done in the prior examples (Ukraine 1.0, Libya, Egypt, etc.). It is very easy to become a victim of psychological warfare intended to manipulate our opinions. The neocons, war promoting agents working on behalf of the UniParty and the collective globalist interests, are all united in their effort. Unfortunately, almost everything being transmitted from corporate news into our psyche is part of a battle for your mind. The goal is to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. This is why people who are familiar with these types of tactics often tap-out when the drumbeats get loudest. {SEE HERE} The White House, which means the total globalist effort, tipped their hand earlier last week when they defined “strategic power” and their outlook toward winning the battle for the mind. Everything is about writing a script, creating a narrative, building a “better story,” where the globalists are the heroes. In essence, the “strategic power” battle is for your mind… …”Ultimately, the goal of our sanctions is to make this a strategic failure for Russia; and let’s define a little bit of what that means. Strategic success in the 21st century is not about a physical land grab of territory; that’s what Putin has done. In this century, strategic power is increasingly measured and exercised by economic strength, by technological sophistication and your story – who you are, what your values are; can you attract ideas and talent and goodwill? And on each of those measures, this will be a failure for Russia.” Everything in modern warfare is storytelling. Question all of it. The stories of the 13 guards on an island telling the Russian naval ship to fuck off… yeah, it was a lie (turns out they surrendered). The “Ghost of Kyiv” pilot, the lady with the sunflower seeds etc., now all recognized as lies and propaganda. And do not expect it to stop, because it won’t. Thus, the nature of warfare for your mind. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/25/hillary-clinton-calls-for-non-governmental-actors-and-hackers-to-lead-the-united-states-military-into-a-hot-war-against-russia-in-ukraine/ Hillary Clinton Calls for Non-Governmental Actors and Hackers To Lead the United States Military Into a Hot War Against Russia in Ukraine February 25, 2022 | sundance | 495 Comments Let us not forget the history of Egypt 2011, Libya 2012 and the original U.S. State Department Ukraine operations in 2014. Everything we are seeing in U.S. media surrounding U.S. interests in Ukraine is a massive propaganda operation with the headquarters in the U.S. State Department and U.S. intelligence community. The sense of sympathy you are feeling is part of an intentionally manipulative operation from within this DC matrix. The images, pictures, videos, speeches, soundbites and the cinematography broadcast by U.S. corporate media are all purposefully intended to create a very specific outlook within the American people toward the issues in Ukraine. The leftist United Nations, and the leftist U.S State Dept, will work together on this just like they have done in the prior examples (Ukraine 1.0, Libya, Egypt, etc.) If you question any of their constructs, if you point out the puppet strings, if you notice the collective distribution of specifically repeated patterns, you are a labeled a Russian apologist. However, it is critical to retain our reference points to recognize when we are being misled by this effort. This is not to say that Russian President Vladimir Putin is a good actor in this scenario, he’s not. This is also not to say that Volodymyr Zelenskyy is a willful participant in this geopolitical scheme, he’s not. Zelenskyy is stuck in a scenario that is not in his control. He is doing the best he can to avoid the worst outcome, which means he is aligning with the U.S. State Dept, because it is the least bad of the two current options. There are genuine Ukraine freedom fighters, and genuine leaders inside Ukraine who are fighting to remain an independent state free from the influence of Russia. However, the free Ukrainian elements are also stuck with the political manipulations of external forces like the U.S. and NATO. The ultra-leftists in the U.S. Deep State Department have been playing in Ukraine for well over a decade. Do you really think they will just walk away from their investments without fighting to retain that influence? Of course not. Additionally, do you think the DC system has put this much effort into their control over Ukraine politics for this long, and would walk away without putting forth a fight? Again, of course not. This is the playground of people like former Senator John McCain and current U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham. Within the DC alignment, there is no distance between the political parties when it comes to the benefits of geopolitical influence. Republicans and Democrats are united in “foreign policy”, and institutions like the Senate Foreign Relations Committee are aligned with the intents and purposes of the Deep State intelligence apparatus and U.S. State Department. This is an alignment based on mutually beneficial outcomes. ♦ Without a doubt, there are U.S. military “contractors” and dark money special operations forces embedded within the Ukraine fighting units, who can quickly melt into the civilian population if an insurgency approach is needed. If Russia takes all of Ukraine (that’s a big ‘if’), we can be certain that U.S. elements will be inside the country triggering conflict to retake western control. The U.S. will never give up on their Ukraine investments. Authorization ‘finding memos‘, permitting covert operations in Ukraine, from the White House to the Gang of Eight in Congress would easily find support. The DC system will collectively align in common purpose, and there will be no dissent permitted. We are seeing that now. All of that said… depending on how tenuous it gets, the western alliance is already positioning to trigger an actual ‘hot’ conflict with deployment of the NATO article five charter under the auspices of cyber warfare. NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said today that “cyberattacks” against any NATO country by Russia can trigger article five of the NATO treaty. Meaning U.S-NATO forces will consider cyberattacks as justification for military engagement by the U.S. and NATO in Ukraine. The groundwork is being assembled for the United States to be pushed into more open military engagement. In order to pull this off, they need the media system to push a sympathy narrative, that’s where the Hollywood-centric U.S. State Department steps in. Watch out for this “pallywood” type propaganda when it surfaces, and recognize the intent is to manipulate the way you think, view and feel about the issues as they unfold. Yesterday, from the White House podium, Deputy National Security Advisor Daleep Singh boiled down the leftist view of geopolitical power to a cultural issue of social likeability. Singh stated, “Strategic success in the 21st century is not about a physical land grab of territory; that’s what Putin has done. In this century, strategic power is increasingly measured and exercised by economic strength, by technological sophistication and your story – who you are, what your values are; can you attract ideas and talent and goodwill? And on each of those measures, this will be a failure for Russia.” This is the same outlook on geopolitical power that took us to an interventionist position in Egypt, by removing Hosni Mubarark, and in Libya, killing Mouamar Kaddaffi. This is an approach based on using Big Tech and social media as weapons to manipulate the perspectives of Americans to support the interventionist intents of the U.S. government. They succeeded then in the Middle East by igniting the Islamist Spring, and they succeeded again in 2014 in the original Ukraine intervention. Big Tech (Google, Microsoft) and Social Media operations like Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, etc., are “non-governmental actors” who work on behalf of the intents of the U.S. government, specifically the U.S. State Dept. The intent is to shape opinion. Collaboratively, this network will coordinate with the messaging and narrative within corporate media. The alphabets, CNN, CNNi, Fox, MSNBC and the on-line allies at the New York Times, Washington Post, Politico, etc. then collaborate. Together the media and tech form a massive psychological campaign against the psyche of the American public. Everything is purposeful. That’s the backdrop for this important statement today from Hillary Clinton as she calls for all these interests and agencies to align in common cause to assist in the Ukraine “story”, to use the words of Daleep Singh yesterday. Listen to how former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton asks for “non-governmental” actors to get involved. The video is only two minutes, but listen carefully at 00:36 forward {Direct Rumble Link}: Keep in mind that NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg said cyberattacks by Russia would be considered triggers for article five war. Now you see Hillary Clinton openly called for the United States government and NGA’s to conduct cyberattacks against Russia. “I think we could also be attacking a lot of the government institutions and again, the oligarchs and their way of life through cyberattacks,” she declares. We are being manipulated for military engagement within Ukraine. We are being manipulated by the propaganda of the U.S. State Dept. We are being manipulated. It is not Ukraine President Volodymyr’s fault. He is as much a victim in this as we are. FUBAR Posted in Big Government, Big Stupid Government, Clinton(s), Cold Anger, Communist, Conspiracy ?, Culture, https://community.oilprice.com/topic/25880-oliver-stones-5-star-documentary-ukraine-on-fire-the-real-story-90-minutes/#comment-176410 Watch for Free https://community.oilprice.com/topic/25861-whats-happening-in-ukraine-questions-for-corbett-the-corbett-report-well-worth-watching/#comment-176294 Ukraine on Fire: The Real StoryFull Documentary by Oliver Stone (Original English version) (93 minutes) 4 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,266 DM February 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tom Nolan said: 'Question All Of It' - The Current Western Propaganda For Ukraine Is Epic In Scale https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/26/the-first-casualty-of-war-is-the-truth-the-current-western-propaganda-for-ukraine-is-epic-in-scale/ https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/question-all-it-current-western-propaganda-ukraine-epic-scale The First Casualty of War Is the Truth – The Current Western Propaganda for Ukraine Is Epic in Scale February 26, 2022 | Sundance | 682 Comments When we shared yesterday that all interested observers should be very wary of the information from media sources around Ukraine, there was a reason for that. Question everything. Take nothing at face value. If you have never experienced the propaganda push surrounding war, the totality of the inbound bullsh*t can be destabilizing, overwhelming and unnerving. It’s one of the reasons why CTH doesn’t share immediate information. Everyone has an agenda. Everything we are seeing in U.S. media surrounding U.S. interests in Ukraine is a massive propaganda operation with the headquarters in the U.S. State Department and U.S. intelligence community. The sense of sympathy you are feeling is part of an intentionally manipulative operation from within this DC matrix. The images, pictures, videos, speeches, soundbites and the cinematography broadcast by U.S. corporate media are all purposefully intended to create a very specific outlook within the American people toward the issues in Ukraine. The leftist United Nations, and the leftist U.S State Dept, will work together on this just like they have done in the prior examples (Ukraine 1.0, Libya, Egypt, etc.). It is very easy to become a victim of psychological warfare intended to manipulate our opinions. The neocons, war promoting agents working on behalf of the UniParty and the collective globalist interests, are all united in their effort. Unfortunately, almost everything being transmitted from corporate news into our psyche is part of a battle for your mind. The goal is to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. This is why people who are familiar with these types of tactics often tap-out when the drumbeats get loudest. {SEE HERE} The White House, which means the total globalist effort, tipped their hand earlier last week when they defined “strategic power” and their outlook toward winning the battle for the mind. Everything is about writing a script, creating a narrative, building a “better story,” where the globalists are the heroes. In essence, the “strategic power” battle is for your mind… …”Ultimately, the goal of our sanctions is to make this a strategic failure for Russia; and let’s define a little bit of what that means. Strategic success in the 21st century is not about a physical land grab of territory; that’s what Putin has done. In this century, strategic power is increasingly measured and exercised by economic strength, by technological sophistication and your story – who you are, what your values are; can you attract ideas and talent and goodwill? And on each of those measures, this will be a failure for Russia.” Everything in modern warfare is storytelling. Question all of it. The stories of the 13 guards on an island telling the Russian naval ship to fuck off… yeah, it was a lie (turns out they surrendered). The “Ghost of Kyiv” pilot, the lady with the sunflower seeds etc., now all recognized as lies and propaganda. And do not expect it to stop, because it won’t. Thus, the nature of warfare for your mind. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/25/hillary-clinton-calls-for-non-governmental-actors-and-hackers-to-lead-the-united-states-military-into-a-hot-war-against-russia-in-ukraine/ Hillary Clinton Calls for Non-Governmental Actors and Hackers To Lead the United States Military Into a Hot War Against Russia in Ukraine February 25, 2022 | sundance | 495 Comments Let us not forget the history of Egypt 2011, Libya 2012 and the original U.S. State Department Ukraine operations in 2014. Everything we are seeing in U.S. media surrounding U.S. interests in Ukraine is a massive propaganda operation with the headquarters in the U.S. State Department and U.S. intelligence community. The sense of sympathy you are feeling is part of an intentionally manipulative operation from within this DC matrix. The images, pictures, videos, speeches, soundbites and the cinematography broadcast by U.S. corporate media are all purposefully intended to create a very specific outlook within the American people toward the issues in Ukraine. The leftist United Nations, and the leftist U.S State Dept, will work together on this just like they have done in the prior examples (Ukraine 1.0, Libya, Egypt, etc.) If you question any of their constructs, if you point out the puppet strings, if you notice the collective distribution of specifically repeated patterns, you are a labeled a Russian apologist. However, it is critical to retain our reference points to recognize when we are being misled by this effort. This is not to say that Russian President Vladimir Putin is a good actor in this scenario, he’s not. This is also not to say that Volodymyr Zelenskyy is a willful participant in this geopolitical scheme, he’s not. Zelenskyy is stuck in a scenario that is not in his control. He is doing the best he can to avoid the worst outcome, which means he is aligning with the U.S. State Dept, because it is the least bad of the two current options. There are genuine Ukraine freedom fighters, and genuine leaders inside Ukraine who are fighting to remain an independent state free from the influence of Russia. However, the free Ukrainian elements are also stuck with the political manipulations of external forces like the U.S. and NATO. The ultra-leftists in the U.S. Deep State Department have been playing in Ukraine for well over a decade. Do you really think they will just walk away from their investments without fighting to retain that influence? Of course not. Additionally, do you think the DC system has put this much effort into their control over Ukraine politics for this long, and would walk away without putting forth a fight? Again, of course not. This is the playground of people like former Senator John McCain and current U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham. Within the DC alignment, there is no distance between the political parties when it comes to the benefits of geopolitical influence. Republicans and Democrats are united in “foreign policy”, and institutions like the Senate Foreign Relations Committee are aligned with the intents and purposes of the Deep State intelligence apparatus and U.S. State Department. This is an alignment based on mutually beneficial outcomes. ♦ Without a doubt, there are U.S. military “contractors” and dark money special operations forces embedded within the Ukraine fighting units, who can quickly melt into the civilian population if an insurgency approach is needed. If Russia takes all of Ukraine (that’s a big ‘if’), we can be certain that U.S. elements will be inside the country triggering conflict to retake western control. The U.S. will never give up on their Ukraine investments. Authorization ‘finding memos‘, permitting covert operations in Ukraine, from the White House to the Gang of Eight in Congress would easily find support. The DC system will collectively align in common purpose, and there will be no dissent permitted. We are seeing that now. All of that said… depending on how tenuous it gets, the western alliance is already positioning to trigger an actual ‘hot’ conflict with deployment of the NATO article five charter under the auspices of cyber warfare. NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said today that “cyberattacks” against any NATO country by Russia can trigger article five of the NATO treaty. Meaning U.S-NATO forces will consider cyberattacks as justification for military engagement by the U.S. and NATO in Ukraine. The groundwork is being assembled for the United States to be pushed into more open military engagement. In order to pull this off, they need the media system to push a sympathy narrative, that’s where the Hollywood-centric U.S. State Department steps in. Watch out for this “pallywood” type propaganda when it surfaces, and recognize the intent is to manipulate the way you think, view and feel about the issues as they unfold. Yesterday, from the White House podium, Deputy National Security Advisor Daleep Singh boiled down the leftist view of geopolitical power to a cultural issue of social likeability. Singh stated, “Strategic success in the 21st century is not about a physical land grab of territory; that’s what Putin has done. In this century, strategic power is increasingly measured and exercised by economic strength, by technological sophistication and your story – who you are, what your values are; can you attract ideas and talent and goodwill? And on each of those measures, this will be a failure for Russia.” This is the same outlook on geopolitical power that took us to an interventionist position in Egypt, by removing Hosni Mubarark, and in Libya, killing Mouamar Kaddaffi. This is an approach based on using Big Tech and social media as weapons to manipulate the perspectives of Americans to support the interventionist intents of the U.S. government. They succeeded then in the Middle East by igniting the Islamist Spring, and they succeeded again in 2014 in the original Ukraine intervention. Big Tech (Google, Microsoft) and Social Media operations like Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, etc., are “non-governmental actors” who work on behalf of the intents of the U.S. government, specifically the U.S. State Dept. The intent is to shape opinion. Collaboratively, this network will coordinate with the messaging and narrative within corporate media. The alphabets, CNN, CNNi, Fox, MSNBC and the on-line allies at the New York Times, Washington Post, Politico, etc. then collaborate. Together the media and tech form a massive psychological campaign against the psyche of the American public. Everything is purposeful. That’s the backdrop for this important statement today from Hillary Clinton as she calls for all these interests and agencies to align in common cause to assist in the Ukraine “story”, to use the words of Daleep Singh yesterday. Listen to how former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton asks for “non-governmental” actors to get involved. The video is only two minutes, but listen carefully at 00:36 forward {Direct Rumble Link}: Keep in mind that NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg said cyberattacks by Russia would be considered triggers for article five war. Now you see Hillary Clinton openly called for the United States government and NGA’s to conduct cyberattacks against Russia. “I think we could also be attacking a lot of the government institutions and again, the oligarchs and their way of life through cyberattacks,” she declares. We are being manipulated for military engagement within Ukraine. We are being manipulated by the propaganda of the U.S. State Dept. We are being manipulated. It is not Ukraine President Volodymyr’s fault. He is as much a victim in this as we are. FUBAR Posted in Big Government, Big Stupid Government, Clinton(s), Cold Anger, Communist, Conspiracy ?, Culture, https://community.oilprice.com/topic/25880-oliver-stones-5-star-documentary-ukraine-on-fire-the-real-story-90-minutes/#comment-176410 Watch for Free https://community.oilprice.com/topic/25861-whats-happening-in-ukraine-questions-for-corbett-the-corbett-report-well-worth-watching/#comment-176294 Ukraine on Fire: The Real StoryFull Documentary by Oliver Stone (Original English version) (93 minutes) No one reads your garbage. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Nolan + 2,443 TN February 28, 2022 6 hours ago, notsonice said: No one reads your garbage. NotSoNice, You display your own deliberate ignorance. Anyone can LOOK AT THE SIDE-BY-SIDE IMAGES with different dates and grasp the propaganda. You can't look...and that has always been the case with you...and thus you are doomed to a world of illusion and unreality. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rossh + 18 RH February 28, 2022 (edited) RH Yes, I agree. The BS factor gets turned up to 10 during tensions, and the US has clearly invested considerable effort over the years into manipulating Ukraine for its own benefit with its perpetual hobby of world and foreign government control. 12 hours ago, Tom Nolan said: 'Question All Of It' - The Current Western Propaganda For Ukraine Is Epic In Scale Edited February 28, 2022 by rossh 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 28, 2022 21 hours ago, notsonice said: No one reads your garbage. Seems like you do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,266 DM February 28, 2022 Just now, Andrei Moutchkine said: Seems like you do? naw, I see his name and go right to the reply and post without reading his garbage. Same for 50 percent of your posts. Seems like all you are posting now is Putin garbage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Structural Master + 18 March 3, 2022 If the American people knew the truth about whats goin on in Ukraine.. There would be no support or sympathy for the Ukrainian people.. Due to their Nazi past present and future... Just google Azov 30th Battalion Facebook-Announces-Narrow-Exception-for-Previously-Censored-Neo-Nazi-Azov-Battalion.jpeg (640×363) (wp.com) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Structural Master + 18 March 3, 2022 History has proven.. Nobody kills Nazis better than the Russians.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Structural Master + 18 March 3, 2022 SAMURAI POLICE 1109: THE AZOV BATTALION (soldierexecutionerprolifer2008.blogspot.com) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,266 DM March 4, 2022 17 minutes ago, Structural Master said: If the American people knew the truth about whats goin on in Ukraine.. There would be no support or sympathy for the Ukrainian people.. Due to their Nazi past present and future... Just google Azov 30th Battalion Facebook-Announces-Narrow-Exception-for-Previously-Censored-Neo-Nazi-Azov-Battalion.jpeg (640×363) (wp.com) How many Nazis in the Ukraine.....a few hundred???? How many Ukrainians....50 million....... We know the truth and it is not about problems with Nazis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Structural Master + 18 March 5, 2022 Lets debate Ukraine Nazi Past Present and Future.. MSM Ukraine Deception being put upon the American people... Or everyone can Just Google Right Sector or Azov 30th Battalion or Donbass Cyborgs and judge for themselves.. Most Americans are oblivious to the Ukrainian Civil War that Biden Clinton and Nulan Started Under the Obama Admin in 2014.. Or the Ukrainian genocide commited against ethnic Russian Ukrainians in Eastern Ukraine.. over 14000 dead.. After we overthrew the the duly elected pro russian government and put in place actual Swastica wielding real life modern day nazis under Porenshenko.. of which there is no mention on MSM.. instead we in America get a Putin just decided to attack for no reason Narrative.. And if you dont believe it youre a Nazi..! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Structural Master + 18 March 5, 2022 (edited) Your request for an American no fly zone is denied... But dont lose sight of the fact that Biden started this war in 2014 when he put Actual Nazis in power in Ukraine who then proceeded to killing 14000 Ethnic Russian Ukrainians in Eastern Ukraine.. The truth that is not mentioned on MSM.. But some know the truth.. Good Luck.. Edited March 5, 2022 by Structural Master Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 475 March 5, 2022 (edited) On 2/28/2022 at 3:42 AM, Tom Nolan said: 'The groundwork is being assembled for the United States to be pushed into more open military engagement. In order to pull this off, they need the media system to push a sympathy narrative, that’s where the Hollywood-centric U.S. State Department steps in. Watch out for this “pallywood” type propaganda when it surfaces, and recognize the intent is to manipulate the way you think, view and feel about the issues as they unfold. This is the same outlook on geopolitical power that took us to an interventionist position in Egypt, by removing Hosni Mubarark, and in Libya, killing Mouamar Kaddaffi. This is an approach based on using Big Tech and social media as weapons to manipulate the perspectives of Americans to support the interventionist intents of the U.S. government. They succeeded then in the Middle East by igniting the Islamist Spring, and they succeeded again in 2014 in the original Ukraine intervention. We are being manipulated for military engagement within Ukraine. We are being manipulated by the propaganda of the U.S. State Dept. We are being manipulated. It is not Ukraine President Volodymyr’s fault. He is as much a victim in this as we are. not sure if I understand the paragraphs correctly.......... 1. This coup is backed by Hollywood because Zelensky was an actor and comedian? They are doing more damage than good showing power the wrong way? 2. Or supporting him for what he had been through as Jews? 3. this link is "gaddafi quotes" https://www.google.com/search?q=gaddafi+quotes&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjFoJLYuq_2AhW1JbcAHXSfCrgQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=gaddafi&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQARgGMgcIABCxAxBDMgQIABBDMgQIABBDMgQIABBDMgQIABBDMgQIABBDMgQIABBDMgQIABBDMgQIABBDMgQIABBDUABYAGD-L2gAcAB4AIABwwGIAcMBkgEDMC4xmAEAqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=2JgjYsXUOrXL3LUP9L6qwAs&bih=526&biw=1024 not too sure why is he removed by the US? If he is missed and there have been searches for the second gaddafi, would these mean he was a good leader? Are those heavy lobbists to let Ukraine go on war for nothing did it for their ideology of democracy that all people must vote to be counted and for their greed? All major oil players might have their respective shares in Ukraine. Therefore, these people are new comers trying to get in by force? 4. Zelensky is probably not a victim but a culprit. As a president, he should choose to protect the citizens and country with his power. Therefore, if he had chosen to make himself clearer that he would like to remain neutral, not leaning to either Europe-US or Russia, he would have avoided the war, at ease......... But still enjoy aids from both sides......... If he was pressured to comform, he should be able to show them a better way on how they can get gas or share without hassle and leave Ukraine undisturbed. 5. what is this manipulation about? testing the limit of power for newbies? Edited March 5, 2022 by specinho Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,325 RG March 6, 2022 So the US could easily set an oil price for N America at $85 and $3 for natural gas. Any exports beyond N America can go with the global price. If we do cut Russian oil there is no need for the alpha dogs to pay extra. liars and scammers are peddling fear and insecurity. Contact me for ideas to think realistically. Yea, I be woke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,325 RG March 6, 2022 We using that 600 billion of Putins to buy those drones, stingers and Carl Gustaf tank killers yet? Get- er-done, wasting daylight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,325 RG March 6, 2022 To show solidarity to the Ukraine I may make a ceremonial trip to the Permian and breath in some pollution. Climate change may have to take a back seat till the world is cleared of Russians. We could immigrate some from the Ukraine to plug methane leaks in millions of nat gas abandoned wells. Use Putins 600 billion to pay for it. I have other uses for Putins 600 billion. Stay tuned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surrept33 + 612 st March 6, 2022 22 hours ago, Structural Master said: When you dont know shit you should keep your mouth shut.. Lets debate Ukraine Nazi Past Present and Future.. MSM Ukraine Deception being put upon the American people... Or everyone can Just Google Right Sector or Azov 30th Battalion or Donbass Cyborgs and judge for themselves.. Most Americans are oblivious to the Ukrainian Civil War that Biden Clinton and Nulan Started Under the Obama Admin in 2014.. Or the Ukrainian genocide commited against ethnic Russian Ukrainians in Eastern Ukraine.. over 14000 dead.. After we overthrew the the duly elected pro russian government and put in place actual Swastica wielding real life modern day nazis under Porenshenko.. of which there is no mention on MSM.. instead we in America get a Putin just decided to attack for no reason Narrative.. And if you dont believe it youre a Nazi..! Yeah, not like Russia doesn't have pro-russia nazi paramilitaries of its own: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_separatist_forces_in_Donbas#Far-right_extremism Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuarterCenturyVet + 312 JL March 6, 2022 16 hours ago, Boat said: To show solidarity to the Ukraine I may make a ceremonial trip to the Permian and breath in some pollution. Climate change may have to take a back seat till the world is cleared of Russians. We could immigrate some from the Ukraine to plug methane leaks in millions of nat gas abandoned wells. Use Putins 600 billion to pay for it. I have other uses for Putins 600 billion. Stay tuned. You seem to think everything is a pollutant when it's probably just your genetic defects that are causing your sensitivity your environment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoMack + 549 JM March 6, 2022 I have to agree with Tom Nolan; The propaganda coming out of the media in the U.S. is epic! It seems the only guy on the planet that is speaking the truth about what is happening in Ukraine is Douglas Macgregor. You can't watch or read the media looking like they just lost a loved one when describing the ongoing war in Ukraine, but then you listen to MacGregor and you know you are hearing the truth. Zelensky needs to accept Putin's deal and go neutral. No more crap about joining NATO, no more freaking "no-fly zone", and the time for countries to increase their military spending and send lethal weapons to Ukraine is over. It was absolutely clear that this media blitz was all a bunch of bullshit when they rallied around Miss Ukraine holding an Airsoft and the headlines screamed "Miss Ukraine has joined the military and will fight for Ukraine. She showed her latest Instagram photo holding her Kalashnikov and said anyone crossing the border into Russia will be killed!" Now if that didn't tell the people that this was all a load of crap about the war, I don't know what would do it. But, then again, there was Iraq. Meanwhile, Putin's henchmen are negotiating with Iran on behalf of the Biden Administration. As usual, Biden is a total F Up and for some bizarre reason is determined to get back into that Iran Nuke deal. 3 U.S. negotiators have already left and under their breath said "this is not a good deal"! What did they mean? It's all give and no take. Like Biden it is weak and isn't enforceable, but Biden's obsession with this garbage starts with "again" sending billions to Iran. And it is just a matter of time when he lifts the oil sanctions on Iran and the rest is nuclear history. Meanwhile back at the "big room" where the U.S. is not allowed, Putin tells Biden he better lift all the sanctions against Russian interests or he'll kill the deal. Thank God for Putin in this one, since it will be a foregone conclusion Iran will cheat, we'll pay for funding every terrorist group from here to the Gaza Strip, and then 4 nuclear powers will have their eye on the U.S. It is quite something to watch the West realize that their Green New Deal was a Catastrophic Piece of Shit, since going Green means you don't produce oil, gas, coal or nuclear in your own country, you import it from somewhere else. That somewhere else for the EU and the U.S. happens to be Russia. So, the EU is firing up their coal and nuclear plants and the greenies are all in but they have found they still won't be able to produce enough energy so it appears that Russia is still in the cat bird seat. Meanwhile, as China tells the world it is not a good idea for Russia to enter Ukraine, we know they are now closer than ever and Putin knew before he attacked Ukraine China had his back. They have their own SWIFT system and soon the dollar will be history as the world's reserve currency. So, we see the folly of dismantling your energy sector and you would think Biden would learn. But, not only no, but hell no. On February 20, 2022, the BLM had the applications approved for 18 wells in the Permian Basin due to the Louisiana ruling by a federal judge who ruled against the Biden moratorium on drilling and permitting on federal lands offshore and onshore. So, as rigs are gearing up to move, the DOJ stepped in a slapped an injunction against the BLM. Biden says "oh well, what can you do", and that was that, no drilling. Meanwhile Texas and 14 other states are suing the EPA for the most restrictive controls on methane emissions that will ensure the slowdown on refineries, drilling, pipelines, currently producing wells, and the economic impact on driving on both cars and trucks will take a major hit. Adding to Biden and his handlers climate hysteria, a judge in D.C. bans 80 million acres offshore Gulf of Mexico from oil and gas operations. But Total just won a massive lease offshore for 500, 950' wind turbines offshore NY and NJ. But, isn't that the issue with the EU - wind turbines aging and oh no, very little wind. DOE Granholm meanwhile, is holding up 8 permits for LNG ports and holds that power since the tankers will cross federal waters. So, another pile on while they watch a war in another country where one has the energy resources to control other countries. In a very weird statement, Nancy Pelosi says ban Russian oil and gas, but Biden's relationship with Saudi Arabia is in the tank and they are the only OPEC nation that has the spare capacity to export enough so it is anyone's guess how high crude and natural gas prices will go. But, then again we're back to Iran. Hopefully the pressure will build against the Biden Administration's war on the energy sector and he opens federal lands to exploration and development. If he does, John (the private jet climate super-hypocrite) Kerry said he'd quit if that happens. So, that would be two awesome events. But, don't hold out much hope on either front. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Structural Master + 18 March 6, 2022 21 hours ago, surrept33 said: Yeah, not like Russia doesn't have pro-russia nazi paramilitaries of its own: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_separatist_forces_in_Donbas#Far-right_extremism I have not heard of russian nazis.. Historically.. Nobody has killed more nazis than the russians.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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