How Far Have We Really Gotten With Alternative Energy

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5 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

In California, 12.5% of new light-duty vehicle registrations were plug-in electric vehicles (PEV) in 2021. Next highest were the District of Columbia, Hawaii, Washington, and Oregon, which each had PEV registrations accounting for more than 7% of new registrations. Of all light-duty vehicle registrations in California for 2021, including new and existing registrations, 2.5% were PEV.

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/05/04/in-california-12-5-of-new-light-duty-vehicle-registrations-were-plug-in-electric-vehicles-in-2021/

Again, out of date.

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On 5/2/2022 at 3:16 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

How about backing your claim up with evidence? Of course you can't because it is not a problem at all.

The most rudimentary calculations by any expert show that capacity is exceeded with universal draw for overnight charging.

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18 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Eco the UK has had a massive increase in EV's and hybrids that most people charge overnight as it makes economical sense to do so. No upgrade to the UK's grid has been required, how does the US grid differ so much to the UK's? Is it because most of the US is on 120V compared to the UK 240V as standard? Sorry I'm not familiar with how your grid works.

EVs are still under 1% of the vehicle market in Europe, so there is nothing yet approaching a universal charging problem.

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20 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Again, out of date.

HaHa, We are just a third of the way through 2022 and you think that the last full year (2021) total numbers are out of date. No wonder you failed economics.

Ok, here is Q1 of 2022. April data won't be out for another week or two.

US electric car sales jumped to an impressive record high last quarter

 

Edited May 5, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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13 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

The most rudimentary calculations by any expert show that capacity is exceeded with universal draw for overnight charging.

Again with nothing to back up your silly claim.

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15 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Different way load is calculated maybe.  What is considered full rated or partial in the load calc.

Did a quick search and UK flat standard is 60A@240V 3 phase and old standard was 40A, so equivalent to roughly 90A@240V 2 phase which is very close to a lot of USA equivalent apartments/condos with 100A... Actual USA homes, 100A is not even close.  Usually 150A or higher which I assume will roughly be equal in the UK.  But see my previous post for a couple reasons the NEC(National Electric Code- USA) is absurdly conservative for load ratings.  One would truly have to look at the nitty gritty in the regulations for load allowable between 2 countries. IEC = international electric code and NEC and whatever equivalent UK version are nearly all identical. 

PS: UK has not added lots of EV's.  Lets not kid ourselves. 

PPS: UK/USA/Worldwide grid work identically; only difference is residential wiring.  Commercial wiring around the world is identical or nearly so though light commercial business wiring in the USA tends to gravitate towards residential USA wiring standards to a greater degree. 

As of Feb 2022 its 420,000 EV's and 780,000 PHEV's according to this. 

Electric vehicle market statistics 2022 - How many electric cars in UK ? (nextgreencar.com)

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7 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Again with nothing to back up your silly claim.

Ecocharger is using the typical claim that everyone will attempt to charge a near depleted EV at 1.17am on a Tuesday morning. 

I don't own an EV or PHEV yet but I would assume most people with home charging options top up charge every night

A mate with a Leaf basically recharges to 80% of capacity each night on off peak to cover commuting usage and consumes about 6kwh charged at 2.2KW. He only charges to 100% if going on a longer journey. At the charge time the UK grid has loads of spare capacity. 

Longer term if it becomes an issue smart meters will regulate the charging times. 

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On 5/4/2022 at 11:32 AM, Jay McKinsey said:

nearly half of Tesla vehicles produced in Q1 were equipped with a lithium iron phosphate (LFP) battery, containing no nickel or cobalt.

https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/static/IOSHZZ_TSLA_Q1_2022_Update_G9MOZE.pdf?xseo=&response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D"TSLA-Q1-2022-Update.pdf"

The range is poor, and the cost to charge depends on fossil fuel; the price is the outside the majority of people based on the breakdown of household income!

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22 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Instead of remaining ignorant of basic electricity basics, you could just STOP posting your ignorance all over the internet telling others they are stupid and wrong when YOU are the ignorant one.  Take a hint. 

Yea, this comment is more aligned with your previous comments, not really this comment as the sheer ignorant absurdity of your comment is appalling. 

Do your homework, or hire an electrician.

There are several rehabilitation drug facilities, Go to one!

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On 5/4/2022 at 2:59 PM, Rob Plant said:

Richie the UK isnt in the EU!! The EU can do what the hell they like, I dont care, Germany have made some terribly bad decisions thanks to Merkel. The EU is in the sh*t because many countries backed cheap Russian gas supplies with no obvious alternative which was short sighted at best and idiotic at worst.

The UK produces approx 50% of its own gas with 1/3 being imported from Norway. That leaves approx 1/5 coming from elsehwere which the US is a supplier, but in real terms a very small supplier.

Over the last 12 months the UK's power has come mainly from Gas 39.1%, Renewables (mainly wind) 25.4%, and "other" 25.4% mainly nuclear and biomas.

Without renewables we would be up sh*t street, thats a fact.

It appears now though that the UK has become a major LNG hub due to its terminals and then backfilling into Europe either directly or indirectly by supplying electricity. I have noticed over the last few months the UK has switched to being a net exporter . At the time of writing UK  exporting 3.3GW of leccy to the continent.

Electricity Data Summary | BMRS (bmreports.com)

 

 

 

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On 3/17/2022 at 4:42 AM, Boat said:

I like that world chart posted the other day. It looks like green is growing 1% a year.  Putin is hurting FF’s future. Will green growth pick up? Some think so, others hope not. Lol One percent or one percent+ works for me. In 30 years that’s a lot of pollution taken out. Those of us that think green progress will be much faster are getting validation for being cheer leaders 15 years ago. We’ll we will see. 
I remember when the US was green at 1/3 of one percent per year. Today it’s close to 30% non FF.

One last transportation + as we move to an electric future. The huge amount of energy used to refine oil like gasoline and diesel will change the industry forever. Nat gas will be a big winner in the north, at least for now. For me, net zero is much further away, I’m thinking 45/50% by 2050. 

WRONG:About 78% of the nation's energy comes from fossil fuels, 8.9% from nuclear, and 12.5% from renewable sources. In 2019, renewables surpassed coal in the amount ..

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53 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

The range is poor, and the cost to charge depends on fossil fuel; the price is the outside the majority of people based on the breakdown of household income!

The range is equivalent to a lot of nickel cobalt cars but LFP costs much less and lasts much longer. The price of electricity only depends on FF to the extent FF is used for its creation. The ratio of FF in the power mix keeps decreasing every year.

EV sales keep skyrocketing.

 

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1 hour ago, RichieRich216 said:

WRONG:About 78% of the nation's energy comes from fossil fuels, 8.9% from nuclear, and 12.5% from renewable sources. In 2019, renewables surpassed coal in the amount ..

And two thirds of that FF energy is wasted through inefficient thermal process that wind and solar energy are not susceptible to: 

Edited May 5, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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23 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The range is equivalent to a lot of nickel cobalt cars but LFP costs much less and lasts much longer. The price of electricity only depends on FF to the extent FF is used for its creation. The ratio of FF in the power mix keeps decreasing every year.

EV sales keep skyrocketing.

 

If you really want to dig into this start from the beginning:

Raw materials and cost to mine, transportation and refine.

Once received the Cost to transport finished material to to companies to make there one of a thousand items to build The EV, is from the different manufacturers.

Cost to shipping all different parts from Tires, batteries, leather, sound system, You hopefully get this point.

Once all parts are needed to produce the EV, the expense of assembling, cost of people to drive to work to make, If you didn't get the last point, doubtful you will ever get it ever!

Now EV is Assembly now cost to ship, received and dealer prepare for delivery,

SO Taking All above into account, WHAT is the CARBON FOOTPRINT of that EV!

Not taking into account the same start to finish for the EV charging stations and their CARBON FOOTPRINT, AT the end what was saved?

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28 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

If you really want to dig into this start from the beginning:

Raw materials and cost to mine, transportation and refine.

Once received the Cost to transport finished material to to companies to make there one of a thousand items to build The EV, is from the different manufacturers.

Cost to shipping all different parts from Tires, batteries, leather, sound system, You hopefully get this point.

Once all parts are needed to produce the EV, the expense of assembling, cost of people to drive to work to make, If you didn't get the last point, doubtful you will ever get it ever!

Now EV is Assembly now cost to ship, received and dealer prepare for delivery,

SO Taking All above into account, WHAT is the CARBON FOOTPRINT of that EV!

Not taking into account the same start to finish for the EV charging stations and their CARBON FOOTPRINT, AT the end what was saved?

If the mining, shipping and assembly is done with renewable energy then the carbon footprint is very low. So simple you might even be able to understand it.

But even if FF is used for the production of an EV then FF is also used for the production of an ICE, an EV covers its carbon footprint in a couple years of operation at most. 

Large–scale electric vehicle adoption can greatly reduce emissions from vehicle tailpipes. However, analysts have cautioned that it can come with increased indirect emissions from electricity and battery production that are not commonly regulated by transport policies. We combine integrated energy modeling and life cycle assessment to compare optimal policy scenarios that price emissions at the tailpipe only, versus both tailpipe and indirect emissions. Surprisingly, scenarios that also price indirect emissions exhibit higher, rather than reduced, sales of electric vehicles, while yielding lower cumulative tailpipe and indirect emissions. Expected technological change ensures that emissions from electricity and battery production are more than offset by reduced emissions of gasoline production. Given continued decarbonization of electricity supply, results show that a large–scale adoption of electric vehicles is able to reduce CO₂ emissions through more channels than previously expected. Further, carbon pricing of stationary sources will also favor electric vehicles. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-27247-y

 

Reuters analyzed data generated by an Argonne National Laboratory model to determine at what point a typical electric vehicle (EV) becomes cleaner than an equivalent gasoline car in terms of its lifetime carbon footprint.

Based on a series of assumptions, the data showed that a Tesla Model 3 in the United States, for example, would need to be driven for 13,500 miles (21,725 km) before it does less harm to the environment than a Toyota Corolla.https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/lifetime-carbon-emissions-electric-vehicles-vs-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/

Edited May 5, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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2 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

If you really want to dig into this start from the beginning:

Raw materials and cost to mine, transportation and refine.

Once received the Cost to transport finished material to to companies to make there one of a thousand items to build The EV, is from the different manufacturers.

Cost to shipping all different parts from Tires, batteries, leather, sound system, You hopefully get this point.

Once all parts are needed to produce the EV, the expense of assembling, cost of people to drive to work to make, If you didn't get the last point, doubtful you will ever get it ever!

Now EV is Assembly now cost to ship, received and dealer prepare for delivery,

SO Taking All above into account, WHAT is the CARBON FOOTPRINT of that EV!

Not taking into account the same start to finish for the EV charging stations and their CARBON FOOTPRINT, AT the end what was saved?

I hope you realize that EVERY item in your list applies equally to the production of ICE vehicles.  All you have done is list some of the inputs required for a generic automobile of any sort. 

Edited May 5, 2022 by Eric Gagen

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2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

If the mining, shipping and assembly is done with renewable energy then the carbon footprint is very low. So simple you might even be able to understand it.

But even if FF is used for the production of an EV then FF is also used for the production of an ICE, an EV covers its carbon footprint in a couple years of operation at most. 

Large–scale electric vehicle adoption can greatly reduce emissions from vehicle tailpipes. However, analysts have cautioned that it can come with increased indirect emissions from electricity and battery production that are not commonly regulated by transport policies. We combine integrated energy modeling and life cycle assessment to compare optimal policy scenarios that price emissions at the tailpipe only, versus both tailpipe and indirect emissions. Surprisingly, scenarios that also price indirect emissions exhibit higher, rather than reduced, sales of electric vehicles, while yielding lower cumulative tailpipe and indirect emissions. Expected technological change ensures that emissions from electricity and battery production are more than offset by reduced emissions of gasoline production. Given continued decarbonization of electricity supply, results show that a large–scale adoption of electric vehicles is able to reduce CO₂ emissions through more channels than previously expected. Further, carbon pricing of stationary sources will also favor electric vehicles. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-27247-y

 

Reuters analyzed data generated by an Argonne National Laboratory model to determine at what point a typical electric vehicle (EV) becomes cleaner than an equivalent gasoline car in terms of its lifetime carbon footprint.

Based on a series of assumptions, the data showed that a Tesla Model 3 in the United States, for example, would need to be driven for 13,500 miles (21,725 km) before it does less harm to the environment than a Toyota Corolla.https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/lifetime-carbon-emissions-electric-vehicles-vs-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/

As of today, the “ Carbon Footprint “ for current but EV and “Charging Stations” is greater than the EV savings!

In the next 40-50 years, that may change but for now, Fossil Fuel is Kink and will remain it. Learn to live with it or not, you can rationalized It anyway you desire.

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1 minute ago, RichieRich216 said:

As of today, the “ Carbon Footprint “ for current but EV and “Charging Stations” is greater than the EV savings!

In the next 40-50 years, that may change but for now, Fossil Fuel is Kink and will remain it. Learn to live with it or not, you can rationalized It anyway you desire.

No, you are incorrect as the research I provided concludes. All you have is your empty claim.

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Good point; however, all the greenies don't want to consider that fossil fuels are utilized in every industry every day. 

There is not anything you do or touch today that doesn't have fossil fuel in it.

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1 minute ago, RichieRich216 said:

Good point; however, all the greenies don't want to consider that fossil fuels are utilized in every industry every day. 

There is not anything you do or touch today that doesn't have fossil fuel in it.

Maybe not today but tomorrow there will be.

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2 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

No, you are incorrect as the research I provided concludes. All you have is your empty claim.

An “empty claim” what don't you use or touch during today, yesterday, or last week that doesn't have fossil fuels as part of it.

I don't need to cut and paste an article by someone who may or may not have an. Agenda, 

I'll tell you the secret, but don't youtell anyone! You learned it in school, Ready for it, Chemistry!!

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Interesting conversation. Aside from that as the EU lies in near collapse due to Green Energy's massive investment and failure. The US is finally coming to the reality of the Greatest Bamboozle Ever Told.

 

Indiana utility delays coal phaseout over federal solar investigation

NiSource is working with its renewable generation developers to better understand the potential project impacts,” NiSource said. “The company anticipates that most solar projects originally scheduled for completion in 2022 and 2023 will experience delays of approximately 6 to 18 months.” 

As a consequence of this uncertainty, two coal units at Michigan City’s Schahfer Generating Station will remain online through 2025, two years longer than originally planned. 

The Commerce Department in March announced the probe into solar panel manufacturers based in Cambodia, Malaysia, Thailand and Vietnam, following a petition alleging the manufacturers are fronts for Chinese companies to dodge tariffs. The industry has reacted with alarm, with the Solar Energy Industry Association cutting its projections for solar installation in half in response. 

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/3478305-indiana-utility-delays-coal-phaseout-over-federal-solar-investigation/

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And maybe you will be correct but like it or not it's all about the dollar, british sterling, yen, etc.

 

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2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

If the mining, shipping and assembly is done with renewable energy then the carbon footprint is very low. So simple you might even be able to understand it.

But even if FF is used for the production of an EV then FF is also used for the production of an ICE, an EV covers its carbon footprint in a couple years of operation at most. 

Large–scale electric vehicle adoption can greatly reduce emissions from vehicle tailpipes. However, analysts have cautioned that it can come with increased indirect emissions from electricity and battery production that are not commonly regulated by transport policies. We combine integrated energy modeling and life cycle assessment to compare optimal policy scenarios that price emissions at the tailpipe only, versus both tailpipe and indirect emissions. Surprisingly, scenarios that also price indirect emissions exhibit higher, rather than reduced, sales of electric vehicles, while yielding lower cumulative tailpipe and indirect emissions. Expected technological change ensures that emissions from electricity and battery production are more than offset by reduced emissions of gasoline production. Given continued decarbonization of electricity supply, results show that a large–scale adoption of electric vehicles is able to reduce CO₂ emissions through more channels than previously expected. Further, carbon pricing of stationary sources will also favor electric vehicles. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-27247-y

 

Reuters analyzed data generated by an Argonne National Laboratory model to determine at what point a typical electric vehicle (EV) becomes cleaner than an equivalent gasoline car in terms of its lifetime carbon footprint.

Based on a series of assumptions, the data showed that a Tesla Model 3 in the United States, for example, would need to be driven for 13,500 miles (21,725 km) before it does less harm to the environment than a Toyota Corolla.https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/lifetime-carbon-emissions-electric-vehicles-vs-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/

Jay, you have not shown us WHY would we want to eliminate CO2. All we have now for CO2 reduction support is a small group of discredited statistical studies and a huge political agitation movement with no rational content.

Why would  anyone make the enormous personal sacrifices entailed in abandoning fossil fuels and hoping for some Utopian renewable fairy tale?

Show us something which makes a rational case for CO2 reduction. As of now, no one wants to give up their standard of living in exchange for a fairy tale.

You yourself have refused to make the transition to an EV vehicle, but are still filling your gas tank with fossil fuels. That does not inspire confidence in your rant.

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2 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

 All we have now for CO2 reduction support is a small group of discredited statistical studies and a huge political agitation movement with no rational content.

 

Otherwise known as 99% of all scientific research on climate change.