Is Europe heading for winter of discontent with extensive gas shortages?

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17 minutes ago, Hotone said:

And how did China treat African countries compared to the Western slave colonizers?

Are you comparing modern day China to 18th Century Europeans?

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1 hour ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

Are you comparing modern day China to 18th Century Europeans?

Yes, yes he is!

Unless I'm very very much mistaken the world and its ideologies and philosophies has changed enormously over the last 250 years.

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5 hours ago, Wombat One said:

As you said, you just don't know do you?

 

I know for Ukraine, because their military's internal documents leaked, and I know for the DPR, where there is a centralized listing of all of their casualties, numbering some 2500.

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On 8/15/2022 at 11:10 PM, NickW said:

So why use a Garmin GPS then?

Not a must. Here is one of the pilots using iPhone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyWYcVn3_tE

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On 8/23/2022 at 8:15 AM, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

seriously? 

what do you know of China to state this? Have you seen how the Chinese treat African countries? 

 

The Chinese treat the African countries very well. Ask somebody African.

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On 8/22/2022 at 3:41 PM, Tomasz said:

Russia started war after being provoked. It was said so many times in mainstream media that this was unprovoked attack - that this is best argument of provocation. Given by biggest languist of modern era Noam Chomsky

You must decide - you want to destroy Russia or to have a loing-term contract with Gazprom. You can eat cake and still have it.

Land is land, people live and die. This obsession over Putin is not woke. US citizens are ahead of the curve in knowing the impact from leaders making big mistakes is normal and repetitive. A new breed know the old east, west, socialism, communism authoritarian etc is nothing but names for small groups of basically incompetent leaders. It may take AI with some good programming to set commonsense guidelines for a rule of law based system. No country has that great of  history. The US system is very corrupt but less so than many systems. That’s not to brag but maybe we’re a little lucky. 1/3 the population supports a leader who staged a Coup. So we’re far from perfect. Ask the USSR, keeping a huge country together is very hard. It didn’t happen. China has big problems as well. The EU partnership is designed to be looser but there are many fringe systems that are not comparable. From England to Turkey to Poland, how can that work? Only compromise can keep groups of differing cultures together. That and jail for non compilers that would harm others. Trump demanded loyalty, with the Chinese and the Russians? He wasn't loyal to his own country. Putin did one thing for the world. He redrew the lines of semi cooperation for the sake of trade to more of a 1940 gather your Allie’s close and carry a big stick. Smack the jive turkeys if they misstep. 
 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

The Chinese treat the African countries very well. Ask somebody African.

I have many Nigerian, Angolan and Ghanian friends as I do business there. That is not what they say. 

Do you know any African you can ask? 

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On 8/23/2022 at 8:12 AM, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

Some of your commentary is not wrong. It is however, very short sighted. Nothing like high energy prices to make people invest in conserving energy such as better insulation on houses etc, more fuel efficient cars. Throughout history crisiss has propelled innovation and change. Why should this one be any different? And what is the longterm perspective for Russia is their gas becomes less relevant?

UK approves new nuclear propulsion regulations - Splash247

just one example. 

Lets be clear - high gas prices hurt in the short term, but necessity is the mother of innovation

 

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On 8/22/2022 at 9:10 PM, Tomasz said:

What can I Say. Congratulations. I dont know who should I thanks more

USA imposing sanctions against Russia to last European

or famous WEF. You know the legendary one mem - You will own nothing and be happy

Sorry but this is epic

 

 

UK approves new nuclear propulsion regulations - Splash247

Lets be clear - high gas prices hurt in the short term, but necessity is the mother of innovation

@Tomasz - you should move to Russia. I am sure they would welcome a fan as big as you. 

From this Europeans perspective the World needs a strong EU to keep the US in check and the world also needs a united West to say NO to China. 

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5 minutes ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

I have many Nigerian, Angolan and Ghanian friends as I do business there. That is not what they say. 

Do you know any African you can ask? 

In the first approximation, only people on Quora. They are largely in favor of the Chinese activities.

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3 minutes ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

From this Europeans perspective the World needs a strong EU to keep the US in check and the world also needs a united West to say NO to China. 

The EU has demonstrated itself to be a complete and utter failure at "keeping the US in check"  Moreover, the unelected morons in Brussels seemingly work for Uncle Sam rather than Europe. Keeping the US in check is really what Russia is there for. What Europeans just did is picking the wrong side.

Why and where exactly does this "united West" need to say NO to China? Like always a NO? Wouldn't you want to hear their question first? (Rhetorical question again, I suppose. There is no united West. Europe just sacrificed itself in the interest of preservation of Uncle Sam's hide)

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15 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

In the first approximation, only people on Quora. They are largely in favor of the Chinese activities.

so everything on the internet is true? As opposed to first hand exeperience and knowledge. 

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9 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

The EU has demonstrated itself to be a complete and utter failure at "keeping the US in check"  Moreover, the unelected morons in Brussels seemingly work for Uncle Sam rather than Europe. Keeping the US in check is really what Russia is there for. What Europeans just did is picking the wrong side.

lets agree to disagree. 

9 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Why and where exactly does this "united West" need to say NO to China? Like always a NO? Wouldn't you want to hear their question first? (Rhetorical question again, I suppose. There is no united West. Europe just sacrificed itself in the interest of preservation of Uncle Sam's hide)

If you had ever done business with a Chinese entity you would understand. 

I agree that the West isn't united as per now, but despite living in Austria you seem to be missing what is happening. Pls don't mistake short-term for longterm.

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10 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

The Chinese treat the African countries very well. Ask somebody African.

I have and they dont

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3 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

In the first approximation, only people on Quora. They are largely in favor of the Chinese activities.

Those in favour of Chinese involvement in their country are very short sighted.

China will eventually dominate all aspects of each and every African nation through its power and influence through trade.

This will also affect each country politically and IMO is a stealth way of empire building.

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4 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Those in favour of Chinese involvement in their country are very short sighted.

China will eventually dominate all aspects of each and every African nation through its power and influence through trade.

This will also affect each country politically and IMO is a stealth way of empire building.

Which is still more benign than US, which also does non-stealth Well, having said that, I don't see the Chinese spawning a legion of "NGOs", which proceed to hijack countries' political and media agendas. All the levers of Chinese influence appear to be purely economic, which is not very stealth.

You don't mind the Yankees controlling everything in your country? Which they invariably do.

Edited August 25, 2022 by Andrei Moutchkine

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6 hours ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

lets agree to disagree. 

If you had ever done business with a Chinese entity you would understand. 

I agree that the West isn't united as per now, but despite living in Austria you seem to be missing what is happening. Pls don't mistake short-term for longterm.

Does buying from AliExpress count?

Local Austrians are brainwashed tools of American imperial agenda, same as everyone in EU. But, they still try to maintain some amount of professed neutrality. I only got thrown out from all the local forums. Were I in Germany, I'd probably be in jail already. (Not to speak of the Nazi rampage going on in the Baltics)

Longterm and shorterm interest of Western Europe is the same - Eurasian integration. The only party who is against this is US, and possibly sometimes the UK. This means doing a lot of business with both the Russians and the Chinese.

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6 hours ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

so everything on the internet is true? As opposed to first hand exeperience and knowledge. 

No, but Quora is at least interactive. This is guy is developing into a real friend of mine in Africa

https://www.quora.com/profile/Boris-Ezomo

He's half-Russian, half-Nigerian and is a medical doctor in Nigeria now.

Dissing the West and praising China goes approximately here

https://wakeupafrica.quora.com/

I am currently in a ban for two weeks there.

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On 8/22/2022 at 5:33 PM, Tomasz said:

Its very simple. It could have been maybe just enough to prevent this war - maybe

But unfortunately its not enough if you know history and russian greavances

NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard | National Security Archive (gwu.edu)

Why this is so important. Because as far as I know Putin mentions not one inch eastward EVERY SINGLE TIME AS FAR AS REMEMBER

And this is it- total lack of trust.

You ever asked yourself why following the collapse of the Soviet Union Eastern European states (inc the Baltics) were banging on the door of NATO pleading to be let in? Likewise some of their motivation to join the EU was to distance themselves from Russia and anchor onto the economic power of that bloc. 

There was no conspiracy to get them to join - they were pleading to be let in. 

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7 hours ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

UK approves new nuclear propulsion regulations - Splash247

Lets be clear - high gas prices hurt in the short term, but necessity is the mother of innovation

@Tomasz - you should move to Russia. I am sure they would welcome a fan as big as you. 

From this Europeans perspective the World needs a strong EU to keep the US in check and the world also needs a united West to say NO to China. 

Don't be silly

 

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On 8/23/2022 at 7:12 AM, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

The west will cope. 

You seem to be living in this illusion that this shortterm pain is perpetual. Yes, gas prices hurt. But have you noticed how this is changing EUs views on Nuclear? 

Some of your commentary is not wrong. It is however, very short sighted. Nothing like high energy prices to make people invest in conserving energy such as better insulation on houses etc, more fuel efficient cars. Throughout history crisiss has propelled innovation and change. Why should this one be any different? And what is the longterm perspective for Russia is their gas becomes less relevant? 

Quite. Everyone I know is doing various stuff to reduce consumption efficiently.  

At my house we are putting up another 2.7KW of solar. The boiler circ temp going from 63 to 58. Next spring 4 new triple glazed windows and 70mm external cladding

Loads of people putting in solar, more loft insulation, doing the boiler circ trick, cranking down room temps - most houses in Europe far too warm. 

It will have a major long term effect on consumption. 

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38 minutes ago, NickW said:

You ever asked yourself why following the collapse of the Soviet Union Eastern European states (inc the Baltics) were banging on the door of NATO pleading to be let in? Likewise some of their motivation to join the EU was to distance themselves from Russia and anchor onto the economic power of that bloc. 

There was no conspiracy to get them to join - they were pleading to be let in. 

Yes, there is a conspiracy, too. All the Eastern European elites potentially loyal to their previous administrations were purged and replaced by Western shills. See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lustration

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2 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Yes, there is a conspiracy, too. All the Eastern European elites potentially loyal to their previous administrations were purged and replaced by Western shills. See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lustration

Commies? 

All the Poles. Romanian's, Czechs, Estonians, & Slovaks I personally know have one set of  things in common 

They hate the Soviet Union / Communism

They don't trust and are frightened of Russia

They see their futures aligned with western nations and its institutions namely the EU and NATO. 

 

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2 minutes ago, NickW said:

Commies? 

All the Poles. Romanian's, Czechs, Estonians, & Slovaks I personally know have one set of  things in common 

They hate the Soviet Union / Communism

They don't trust and are frightened of Russia

They see their futures aligned with western nations and its institutions namely the EU and NATO.

Congratulations on having such obedient new puppets. I was wrong about the Romanians, BTW. In their case, the previous leadership was summarily executed. Such a great start on the path of discovery of the Western values.

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3 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Congratulations on having such obedient new puppets. I was wrong about the Romanians, BTW. In their case, the previous leadership was summarily executed. Such a great start on the path of discovery of the Western values.

Given the record the Ceaușescu's have I won't shed any tears for their demise at the hands of their own people. 

Executing a mass murderer is hardly the same as butchering civillians on the streets of Bucha (and other locations).