Australian power prices go insane

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24 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

Jay: I'm speaking to the Australians!

Yes, the Australians just threw the fossils out of office and elected the greenies. 

New Australian Government Plans A Surge In Renewable Energy

The new Australian government has committed to renewable energy and storage as it pivots away from the policies of Scott Morrison.

June 20, 2022

 

Now that dunderheads like the hateful Scott Morrison have been purged by the voters of Australia, that country’s obstruction of renewable energy initiatives is coming to an end — and not a moment too soon for Australia and the world!

On Friday, newly elected Prime Minister Peter Albanese addressed an international conference convened by US president Joe Biden and announced that Australia has now fully embraced the 2015 Paris climate accords by adopting a plan that will reduce the nation’s carbon emissions 43% by 2030 compared to 2004 levels. The Morrison government steadfastly refused to take meaningful action to reduce emissions, setting Australia back by almost a decade compared to other nations.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has urged Australia’s energy sector to seize a once in a generation opportunity to help make the country a renewable superpower, after promising to legislate emissions reduction targets and pour billions into decarbonising the electricity grid.

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On 7/13/2022 at 2:56 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

Coal and gas are at record prices and you blame the high cost of electricity on renewables, pathetic. More coal and gas plants would just mean you were using even more outrageously priced coal and gas. The cost of electricity would not go down.

I understand that renewables should bring the demand down on oil and gas, however, the current administration decreased the supply of oil and gas to drive the demand of renewables. Unfortunately you aren’t understanding that concept when people comment back about it. Oil and gas demand is high + administration decreased the supply of oil = higher gas and oil prices. It’s a low level thinking technique used in behavioral science. Punishment to get results. Instead of using incentives for R&D of renewables, they are forcing R&D on the back of the world economy. NOW WITH THAT SAID, I can only say that about the US policies. AUS has its own dealings. 

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Explained | Why is Australia facing an electricity crisis despite being a top exporter of coal and gas?

Why was Western Australia saved from the crisis?

Interestingly, while Western Australia also has its own wholesale market, a built-in safeguard prevented the state from facing a power crisis.

In the 1980s, the State had adopted a Domestic Gas Policy, reserving LNG equivalent to 15 per cent of all exports from the Northwest for domestic use.

This means that apart from domestic-only power projects, Western Australia has, at all times, gas reserves for ensuring supplies for its gas-fired plants.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/explained-australia-electricity-crisis-despite-top-exporter-coal-gas/article65535960.ece

Edited July 15, 2022 by Eyes Wide Open

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On 7/13/2022 at 6:33 PM, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Its really simple solution... $$$ upfront: Watever nameplate capacity all the wind turbines or solar installations add up to, by law they should be FORCED to INSTALL and OPERATE as base load just like every other form of energy production.  Install nameplate capacity of Geothermal, NG, Oil, Coal, Nuclear good for months of operation during winter with an equation for battery or other energy storage backup but only if the ENTIRE nameplate capacity of battery backup is equal to the inverse of the LOWEST capacity factor per day of wind/solar   

So, in winter, capacity factor day for solar in a VERY sunny location is roughly ~1/3 summer and obviously lowest for say Northern Europe is in effect ZERO so by law to get any subsidy or preferential treatment must have a battery equal to Nameplate capacity * 2/3 of a day in a nice desert location and 100% in a lousy location.  

No more dumping all the cost onto others while pretending to be "cheap"

Forced by what mechanism? 

All power plants have some downtime - not just renewable sources.  So tell that giant coal plant it needs massive batteries too!  See how they like that news and if it helps them remain competitive. Their whole advantage was coal was cheap, and they were reliable, which now is not the case.

 

"The elevated prices have been driven by record prices for coal and gas, exacerbated by the war in Ukraine which has caused international buyers to turn away from Russia, a major supplier of global energy. At the same time, several coal-fired power stations have been shut for maintenance work, suffered breakdowns or have had coal supplies constrained, tightening up the balance between supply and demand during the peak winter months." 

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41 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Explained | Why is Australia facing an electricity crisis despite being a top exporter of coal and gas?

Why was Western Australia saved from the crisis?

Interestingly, while Western Australia also has its own wholesale market, a built-in safeguard prevented the state from facing a power crisis.

In the 1980s, the State had adopted a Domestic Gas Policy, reserving LNG equivalent to 15 per cent of all exports from the Northwest for domestic use.

This means that apart from domestic-only power projects, Western Australia has, at all times, gas reserves for ensuring supplies for its gas-fired plants.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/explained-australia-electricity-crisis-despite-top-exporter-coal-gas/article65535960.ece

Thanks for pointing out that fossil fuels are the problem in the eastern half of the grid.

Western Australia forges ahead with renewables transition as other states face energy crisis

By Keane Bourke

Posted Sat 18 Jun 2022 at 2:08pmSaturday 18 Jun 2022 at 2:08pm, updated Mon 20 Jun 2022 at 10:55pmMonday 20 Jun 2022 at 10:55pm

The Muja Power station near Collie will be closed within a decade.(ABC News: Sam Bold)

It's been a big week in the world of power — although for different reasons depending on which side of Australia you're on.

As much of the country struggles to keep the lights on, WA has taken a significant step in its renewables transition, announcing the end of state-run, coal-fired power plants by 2030.

It's expected to have a big impact on household bills in the future, but why is it happening now, and what does it all mean?

Here's a rundown of this week's local energy news.

What are the big changes?

The WA government had previously committed to retiring parts of its largest coal-fired plant, the Muja power station.

WA's epicenter for electricity ponders life beyond coal

Western Australia will do away with coal power by 2029, leaving the state's electricity hub without its major industry.

Read more

But this week, we found out what happens next — as it announced plans to close both of the coal-fired plants run by state-owned power provider Synergy by 2030.

By phasing out coal-fired power, Synergy estimates its carbon emissions would reduce by 80 per cent by 2030.

On top of marking a significant turning point for the nearby coal mining town of Collie, it's a big shift for the state's energy network.

To make up for the capacity being lost, the government will spend $3.8 billion over 10 years to add more renewable capacity to the grid.

Why the shift?

WA's power grid is changing, leaving less room for coal to fit into the mix.

Last year alone, about 300 megawatts of rooftop solar power was added to the grid – almost as much as the smaller of the two state-run plants.

West Australian households have been embracing solar at record rates.(ABC News: Briana Shepherd)

It means during the day there's little or no need for the coal-fired plants to run, but that causes issues because coal plants aren't designed to be turned on and off.

It takes 18 hours for a plant to go from being switched off to fully operational.

Will this cause power bills to rise? 

The government isn't giving a straight answer, but says sticking with coal-fired power would ultimately be more expensive.

Premier Mark McGowan said if the coal plants continued to operate, bills would rise by about $1,200 a year by 2030.

Instead, he committed to keeping power prices capped in line with inflation until at least 2025.

Mark McGowan said West Australians could expect their power bills to rise by about $1,200 a year by the end of the decade if the coal plants were not closed.(ABC News: James Carmody)

At the same time, the government is also hoping these changes can make Synergy more self-sufficient and less reliant on government grants.

Over the next four years, the government is planning to give Synergy $783.3 million in "financial viability" subsidies.

Effectively, that's money that recognises Synergy doesn't always act like an ordinary business, because there are times when it has to do things for reasons other than financial gain.

But it's hoped that by increasing the mix of renewable energy, Synergy's costs will be lower.

So what will replace the coal plants?

Some of the capacity will be replaced by renewables already being added to the grid – including rooftop solar.

But there still needs to be an ability to provide power when the sun isn't shining, or when there's extra demand.

That's why the new projects outlined in this announcement include 800MW of wind capacity and 2,000MWh of storage – including fast-start lithium-ion batteries.

The government's announcement marks a significant turning point for Collie.(ABC News: Anthony Pancia)

In welcome news for the town of Collie, the government is also looking into other technologies, including pumped hydro.

When renewable energy is available, it uses that power to pump water up a hill, "storing" the energy.

Then, when the power is needed, it's allowed to fall back down the hill, through a turbine, which adds power into the grid.

But the government isn't locking itself into just these schemes, with Synergy given some latitude in how it invests the $3.8 billion it's receiving.

What about hydrogen?

The government is holding out on hydrogen for a little bit longer. 

"In the future we would expect hydrogen to be able to replace natural gas, but that's currently not financially viable," Energy Minister Bill Johnston said this week.

Over the last year, about 31 per cent of the power in the South-West Interconnected System, which covers most of the state's population, was provided by gas, according to the Australian Energy Market Operator.

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WATCH

Duration: 5 minutes 50 seconds5m

 

Is green hydrogen the fuel of the future?

New gas-fired power stations have been ruled out beyond 2030, and the government says it's not likely there would be a need to build any before then.

"But we'll be very cautious in our approach as we move towards 2030, and if we need to take action we will," Mr Johnston said.

Part of WA's hydrogen future will be centred around the Asian Renewable Energy Hub, north-east of Port Hedland.

The government this week announced BP would take a 40.5 per cent stake in the hub, which is planning to generate both wind and solar power, as well as producing green hydrogen.

Will this affect WA's energy security?

The Premier made clear he was confident this plan would secure WA's energy supply into the future, and the state would avoid the issues being experienced elsewhere.

Part of the reason for those issues has been the nature of the electricity market in the east, which is vastly different to WA's state-owned system.

Skyrocketing gas prices have also contributed, but WA largely doesn't have to worry about that because of its domestic reservation policy.

That policy means 15 per cent of gas reserves within the state's jurisdiction are quarantined for the local market.

Unlike the eastern states, a domestic gas reservation policy applies in WA. (Supplied: Chevron )

It's good news, both for now and into the future, with WA planning to rely on gas for more of its base-load power, given it can be fired up in as little as 16 minutes.

"When you have a reservation policy with gas, you can turn gas power stations on immediately," Mr McGowan said this week.

"When you have pumped hydro and batteries, the technology now is so good that you can provide base-load power using those mechanisms combined."

Edited July 15, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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35 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

Their whole advantage was coal was cheap, and they were reliable, which now is not the case.

Great point! Actually you have underscored the entire Green Energy debacle.

Only When Green Energy Is Implemented does the grid and it's ancillary network fail.

Bravo! 

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5 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Thanks for pointing out that fossil fuels are the problem in the eastern half of the grid.

Western Australia forges ahead with renewables transition as other states face energy crisis

By Keane Bourke

Posted Sat 18 Jun 2022 at 2:08pmSaturday 18 Jun 2022 at 2:08pm, updated Mon 20 Jun 2022 at 10:55pmMonday 20 Jun 2022 at 10:55pm

The Muja Power station near Collie will be closed within a decade.(ABC News: Sam Bold)

It's been a big week in the world of power — although for different reasons depending on which side of Australia you're on.

As much of the country struggles to keep the lights on, WA has taken a significant step in its renewables transition, announcing the end of state-run, coal-fired power plants by 2030.

It's expected to have a big impact on household bills in the future, but why is it happening now, and what does it all mean?

Here's a rundown of this week's local energy news.

What are the big changes?

The WA government had previously committed to retiring parts of its largest coal-fired plant, the Muja power station.

WA's epicenter for electricity ponders life beyond coal

Western Australia will do away with coal power by 2029, leaving the state's electricity hub without its major industry.

Read more

But this week, we found out what happens next — as it announced plans to close both of the coal-fired plants run by state-owned power provider Synergy by 2030.

By phasing out coal-fired power, Synergy estimates its carbon emissions would reduce by 80 per cent by 2030.

On top of marking a significant turning point for the nearby coal mining town of Collie, it's a big shift for the state's energy network.

To make up for the capacity being lost, the government will spend $3.8 billion over 10 years to add more renewable capacity to the grid.

Why the shift?

WA's power grid is changing, leaving less room for coal to fit into the mix.

Last year alone, about 300 megawatts of rooftop solar power was added to the grid – almost as much as the smaller of the two state-run plants.

West Australian households have been embracing solar at record rates.(ABC News: Briana Shepherd)

It means during the day there's little or no need for the coal-fired plants to run, but that causes issues because coal plants aren't designed to be turned on and off.

It takes 18 hours for a plant to go from being switched off to fully operational.

Will this cause power bills to rise? 

The government isn't giving a straight answer, but says sticking with coal-fired power would ultimately be more expensive.

Premier Mark McGowan said if the coal plants continued to operate, bills would rise by about $1,200 a year by 2030.

Instead, he committed to keeping power prices capped in line with inflation until at least 2025.

Mark McGowan said West Australians could expect their power bills to rise by about $1,200 a year by the end of the decade if the coal plants were not closed.(ABC News: James Carmody)

At the same time, the government is also hoping these changes can make Synergy more self-sufficient and less reliant on government grants.

Over the next four years, the government is planning to give Synergy $783.3 million in "financial viability" subsidies.

Effectively, that's money that recognises Synergy doesn't always act like an ordinary business, because there are times when it has to do things for reasons other than financial gain.

But it's hoped that by increasing the mix of renewable energy, Synergy's costs will be lower.

So what will replace the coal plants?

Some of the capacity will be replaced by renewables already being added to the grid – including rooftop solar.

But there still needs to be an ability to provide power when the sun isn't shining, or when there's extra demand.

That's why the new projects outlined in this announcement include 800MW of wind capacity and 2,000MWh of storage – including fast-start lithium-ion batteries.

The government's announcement marks a significant turning point for Collie.(ABC News: Anthony Pancia)

In welcome news for the town of Collie, the government is also looking into other technologies, including pumped hydro.

When renewable energy is available, it uses that power to pump water up a hill, "storing" the energy.

Then, when the power is needed, it's allowed to fall back down the hill, through a turbine, which adds power into the grid.

But the government isn't locking itself into just these schemes, with Synergy given some latitude in how it invests the $3.8 billion it's receiving.

What about hydrogen?

The government is holding out on hydrogen for a little bit longer. 

"In the future we would expect hydrogen to be able to replace natural gas, but that's currently not financially viable," Energy Minister Bill Johnston said this week.

Over the last year, about 31 per cent of the power in the South-West Interconnected System, which covers most of the state's population, was provided by gas, according to the Australian Energy Market Operator.

Space to play or pause, M to mute, left and right arrows to seek, up and down arrows for volume.

WATCH

Duration: 5 minutes 50 seconds5m

 

Is green hydrogen the fuel of the future?

New gas-fired power stations have been ruled out beyond 2030, and the government says it's not likely there would be a need to build any before then.

"But we'll be very cautious in our approach as we move towards 2030, and if we need to take action we will," Mr Johnston said.

Part of WA's hydrogen future will be centred around the Asian Renewable Energy Hub, north-east of Port Hedland.

The government this week announced BP would take a 40.5 per cent stake in the hub, which is planning to generate both wind and solar power, as well as producing green hydrogen.

Will this affect WA's energy security?

The Premier made clear he was confident this plan would secure WA's energy supply into the future, and the state would avoid the issues being experienced elsewhere.

Part of the reason for those issues has been the nature of the electricity market in the east, which is vastly different to WA's state-owned system.

Skyrocketing gas prices have also contributed, but WA largely doesn't have to worry about that because of its domestic reservation policy.

That policy means 15 per cent of gas reserves within the state's jurisdiction are quarantined for the local market.

Unlike the eastern states, a domestic gas reservation policy applies in WA. (Supplied: Chevron )

It's good news, both for now and into the future, with WA planning to rely on gas for more of its base-load power, given it can be fired up in as little as 16 minutes.

"When you have a reservation policy with gas, you can turn gas power stations on immediately," Mr McGowan said this week.

"When you have pumped hydro and batteries, the technology now is so good that you can provide base-load power using those mechanisms combined."

The only reliable/affordable source of energy in Australia....fossil fuels. Another fundamental that cannot be denied.

Edited July 15, 2022 by Eyes Wide Open

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4 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Yes, the Australians just threw the fossils out of office and elected the greenies. 

New Australian Government Plans A Surge In Renewable Energy

The new Australian government has committed to renewable energy and storage as it pivots away from the policies of Scott Morrison.

June 20, 2022

 

Now that dunderheads like the hateful Scott Morrison have been purged by the voters of Australia, that country’s obstruction of renewable energy initiatives is coming to an end — and not a moment too soon for Australia and the world!

On Friday, newly elected Prime Minister Peter Albanese addressed an international conference convened by US president Joe Biden and announced that Australia has now fully embraced the 2015 Paris climate accords by adopting a plan that will reduce the nation’s carbon emissions 43% by 2030 compared to 2004 levels. The Morrison government steadfastly refused to take meaningful action to reduce emissions, setting Australia back by almost a decade compared to other nations.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has urged Australia’s energy sector to seize a once in a generation opportunity to help make the country a renewable superpower, after promising to legislate emissions reduction targets and pour billions into decarbonising the electricity grid.

And the people are paying the price of this insanely stupid move! 

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1 hour ago, RichieRich216 said:

And the people are paying the price of this insanely stupid move! 

 

No they will be saving money because now they will have low cost renewables.  The high price of electricity is fully due to the high cost of fossil fuels and fossil fuel plant failure, that is undeniable.  Here are the costs for Eastern Australia over the past month, notice how fossil fuel is 26% more expensive than renewables, but of course you are impervious to data:

https://opennem.org.au/energy/au/?range=30d&interval=1d

Here is the whole year, where renewables offer even a larger cost savings where fossil is a whopping 41% more expensive.:

 

Edited July 15, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

The only reliable/affordable source of energy in Australia....fossil fuels. Another fundamental that cannot be denied.

Affordable? What a laugh.

Here are the real numbers for the past month. Notice how fossil fuel is 26% more expensive than renewables, but of course an undeniable fundamental is that you are also impervious to real data:

https://opennem.org.au/energy/au/?range=30d&interval=1d

Here is the whole year, where renewables offer even a larger cost savings where fossil is a whopping 41% more expensive.:

 

Edited July 15, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Affordable? What a laugh.

Here are the real numbers for the past month. Notice how fossil fuel is 26% more expensive than renewables, but of course an undeniable fundamental is that you are also impervious to real data:

https://opennem.org.au/energy/au/?range=30d&interval=1d

Here is the whole year, where renewables offer even a larger cost savings where fossil is a whopping 41% more expensive.:

 

Jay your mind is Jibber Wapped literally. Only when demand for any commodity exceeds supply do such market bubbles form. 

The singular need for this new supply demand would be a lack energy production. How could Australia be so short sided the population growth is stale. Demand has not risen...Australia depended on Green Energy...No more needs to said, Only conventional energy will make Australia whole again.

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38 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Jay your mind is Jibber Wapped literally. Only when demand for any commodity exceeds supply do such market bubbles form. 

The singular need for this new supply demand would be a lack energy production. How could Australia be so short sided the population growth is stale. Demand has not risen...Australia depended on Green Energy...No more needs to said, Only conventional energy will make Australia whole again.

You are so utterly clueless. You posted an article just three hours ago that said Australia was a top exporter of gas and coal but the state of Western Australia was avoiding the crisis because they had a law that protected 15% of their fossil fuels from being exported. The crisis is being driven by the export market! 

Green energy in Australia is only 33%, they depend far more on fossil fuels.

I just had the enjoyment of updating two Australian coal plants closure dates to just a few years from now on Wiki. There won't be any coal power in Western Australia by the end of the decade.

Synergy coal power stations including Muja to close as WA Government prioritises renewable energy

Western Australia's government has called time on its involvement in coal power, declaring the state will exit the market before 2030 and plough billions of dollars into renewable energy and storage.

Key points:

• State-owned Synergy will close its two coal power plants by 2029
• The government will plough billions into renewable energy
• About 1,200 staff at the two power stations will be affected

 

In a landmark announcement this afternoon, Premier Mark McGowan and Energy Minister Bill Johnston revealed state-owned power provider Synergy would shut its remaining coal-fired plants by 2029.

Mr McGowan said the change was needed because the proliferation of renewable energy sources meant coal power was becoming more expensive.

He said without a shift, household power bills could rise by around $1,200 a year by 2030.

Edited July 15, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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23 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The ACT reached 100% renewables in 2020.

Jay - this is just one example of the silly, misleading nonsense put about by the green lobby. Sure Canberra (that's the ACT plus a few small towns around it), can pretend that the total energy generated from wind farms just services the ACT but it isn't run as a separate grid. Its part of the far larger NSW state grid. Now if you look at this article its clear what's happened. The ACT government signed forward supply contracts when prices were much lower and the way the system works they can REDUCE SUPPORT PAYMENTS for feed in tariffs. So high prices can be reduced a little from previous highs. So much for your counter-example. As for the business about the UK's use of renewables offsetting the bad prices from conventional energy there is simply no evidence that this is the case. Anyway, leave it with you.  

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2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

You posted an article just three hours ago that said Australia was a top exporter of gas and coal but the state of Western Australia was avoiding the crisis because they had a law that protected 15% of their fossil fuels from being exported. The crisis is being driven by the export market! 

Green energy in Australia is only 33%, they depend far more on fossil fuels.

I just had the enjoyment of updating two Australian coal plants closure dates to just a few years from now on Wiki. There won't be any coal power in Western Australia by the end of the decade.

Jay - not 33 per cent yet - more like 24-25 although I'm sure you'll find sources that say 33. As for the crisis being driven by the export market, well, no, the real problem is the decades of screaming by greenies that the world is ending has resulted in a limiting of energy supplies in the west, then the supply of Russian gas was curtailed. You and others like you are, in part, to blame. Anyway, leave it with you. I have spent far too much time on this thread, which is mainly you raving.      

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37 minutes ago, markslawson said:

Jay - not 33 per cent yet - more like 24-25 although I'm sure you'll find sources that say 33. As for the crisis being driven by the export market, well, no, the real problem is the decades of screaming by greenies that the world is ending has resulted in a limiting of energy supplies in the west, then the supply of Russian gas was curtailed. You and others like you are, in part, to blame. Anyway, leave it with you. I have spent far too much time on this thread, which is mainly you raving.      

24% is so 2020. The source for 33% is the Australian Energy Market Operator API with daily data. I know how much you love old outdated data but the current numbers from the grid market operator are available here https://opennem.org.au/energy/au/?range=1y&interval=1M

By raving you mean showing real data and real economic analysis that destroys your propositions. 

Enjoy all that low cost renewable energy headed your way.

Edited July 16, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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57 minutes ago, markslawson said:

Jay - not 33 per cent yet - more like 24-25 although I'm sure you'll find sources that say 33. As for the crisis being driven by the export market, well, no, the real problem is the decades of screaming by greenies that the world is ending has resulted in a limiting of energy supplies in the west, then the supply of Russian gas was curtailed. You and others like you are, in part, to blame. Anyway, leave it with you. I have spent far too much time on this thread, which is mainly you raving.      

Would you by chance be deferring to the Green Awakening..It seems just like yesterday..yet today due to the Green Socialist activism that has over taken the EU the entire world must pay for their malfeasance..

Achieving global leadership in renewable energies

Memo30 November 2016Brussels

Renewable electricity, cleaner heating and cooling, decarbonised transport, empowered consumers and at least 27% renewables in the EU will bring clean energy for all Europeans.

See also the press release: Clean Energy for All Europeans - unlocking Europe's growth potential

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/MEMO_16_3987

 

In line with E.U. competition law and policy, Germany deregulated the market for gas and electricity distribution, allowing consumers to chose their distributor. Today, the country has more than 800 electricity suppliers and nearly as many gas suppliers. Four electricity suppliers (E.ON, EnBW, Vattenfall and RWE) account for 80% of the market. In 2001, three years after taking power, the Social Democrat/Green coalition implemented a policy of energy modernization based on the development of renewable energies and a withdrawal from nuclear power by 2021 through a phased shutdown of the country's 19 reactors. After winning the elections in 2009, the CDU/FDP coalition with Angela Merkel at the helm granted nuclear operators a stay and postponed the closing of plants until the 2030s.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/MEMO_16_3987

 

France to close 14 nuclear reactors by 2035: Macron

President Emmanuel Macron said Tuesday that France would shut down 14 of the country's 58 nuclear reactors currently in operation by 2035, of which between four and six will be closed by 2030.

https://phys.org/news/2018-11-france-nuclear-reactors-macron.html

Edited July 16, 2022 by Eyes Wide Open

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13 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Would you by chance be deferring to the Green Awakening..It seems just like yesterday..yet today due to the Green Socialist activism that has over taken the EU the entire world must pay for their malfeasance..

Achieving global leadership in renewable energies

Memo30 November 2016Brussels

Renewable electricity, cleaner heating and cooling, decarbonised transport, empowered consumers and at least 27% renewables in the EU will bring clean energy for all Europeans.

See also the press release: Clean Energy for All Europeans - unlocking Europe's growth potential

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/MEMO_16_3987

 

In line with E.U. competition law and policy, Germany deregulated the market for gas and electricity distribution, allowing consumers to chose their distributor. Today, the country has more than 800 electricity suppliers and nearly as many gas suppliers. Four electricity suppliers (E.ON, EnBW, Vattenfall and RWE) account for 80% of the market. In 2001, three years after taking power, the Social Democrat/Green coalition implemented a policy of energy modernization based on the development of renewable energies and a withdrawal from nuclear power by 2021 through a phased shutdown of the country's 19 reactors. After winning the elections in 2009, the CDU/FDP coalition with Angela Merkel at the helm granted nuclear operators a stay and postponed the closing of plants until the 2030s.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/MEMO_16_3987

 

France to close 14 nuclear reactors by 2035: Macron

President Emmanuel Macron said Tuesday that France would shut down 14 of the country's 58 nuclear reactors currently in operation by 2035, of which between four and six will be closed by 2030.

https://phys.org/news/2018-11-france-nuclear-reactors-macron.html

It is hard to tell which one of you loves ancient data and info more. It is certainly a solid part of the fossil playbook.

France Announces Major Nuclear Power Buildup

President Emmanuel Macron outlined plans for a wave of new-generation atomic reactors as the country seeks to slash planet-warming emissions.

President Emmanuel Macron of France speaking at a turbine factory on Thursday. “The time has come for a nuclear renaissance,” he said.Credit...Jean-Francois Badias/Agence France-Presse, via Pool/Afp Via Getty Images

Published Feb. 10, 2022Updated Feb. 11, 2022

President Emmanuel Macron announced a major buildup of France’s huge nuclear power program on Thursday, pledging to construct up to 14 new-generation reactors and a fleet of smaller nuclear plants as the country seeks to slash planet-warming emissions and cut its reliance on foreign energy.

“What our country needs is the rebirth of France’s nuclear industry,” Mr. Macron said at a nuclear turbine factory in the industrial city of Belfort in eastern France as throngs of workers and political officials gathered around. “The time has come for a nuclear renaissance,” he added.

Edited July 16, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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1 hour ago, markslawson said:

Jay - this is just one example of the silly, misleading nonsense put about by the green lobby. Sure Canberra (that's the ACT plus a few small towns around it), can pretend that the total energy generated from wind farms just services the ACT but it isn't run as a separate grid. Its part of the far larger NSW state grid. Now if you look at this article its clear what's happened. The ACT government signed forward supply contracts when prices were much lower and the way the system works they can REDUCE SUPPORT PAYMENTS for feed in tariffs. So high prices can be reduced a little from previous highs. So much for your counter-example. As for the business about the UK's use of renewables offsetting the bad prices from conventional energy there is simply no evidence that this is the case. Anyway, leave it with you.  

Renewables are zero marginal cost of production. Their economic models and markets work differently than fossil. The situation in ACT is a completely valid representation of renewables decreasing costs. You just don't like it because it proves you wrong. The same is happening in the UK.

WindEconomics: Wind energy is already saving UK consumers money

Wind farm operators paid £157 million to electricity suppliers in Q4 2021 as the reference price rose above their agreed contract prices for the first time

And the contract price for new renewables just reached a new record low, so expect a lot more:

Price of offshore wind power falls to cheapest ever level in UK

Contract price is nearly 6% lower than previous auction in 2019, which could ease pressure on energy bills

 

Ørsted turbines at the Hornsea One field. The Danish company has won the contract for the world’s biggest offshore wind project at Hornsea Three. Photograph: Ørsted/EPA

 

 

Alex Lawson Energy correspondent

Fri 8 Jul 2022 05.54 EDT

The price of offshore wind power in the UK has fallen to an all-time low, which could ease the pressure on future household energy bills.

Following the biggest ever UK renewables auction, the government said on Thursday the contract price for windfarms was nearly 6% lower than the previous auction, despite the rising cost of materials to build windfarms.

 

A string of new contracts should add about 7 gigawatts of clean power capacity to Britain’s turbine fleet by 2026. The government hopes to have 50GW by 2030 and has embarked on a push to expand Britain’s renewables industry in the face of rocketing fossil fuel prices.

 

Edited July 16, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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On 7/13/2022 at 1:37 AM, markslawson said:

It's taken me a few days to get around to posting this. Unfortunately, the article is behind a pay wall, but the excerpts should give you an idea of the lunacy. All prices are in $A but one $A is about $US68 cents, so to convert to USD reduce all amounts by one third. Also bear in mind that before green lunacy took hold, average wholesale prices used to be around $40 MWh and until a couple of years ago were still about $80 MWh.

From Australian Financial Review on Monday

"Prices for wholesale power more than doubled to an unheard-of average of $323 a megawatt-hour in Queensland in the June quarter, easily the highest of any state in the past two decades, according to adviser Energy Edge. 

“And the quarter was so high that it nearly lifted the average price for the entire financial year above the previous highest quarter in Q1 2017,” Mr Stabler said.

"Price increases were even higher in other states, rising 293 per cent from the March quarter to $$224/MWh, of 247 per cent in NSW to $302/MWh; and of 260.5 per cent in South Australia to $256/MWh, according to the Energy Edge data."

Of course not all of this is due to green lunacy. The problem is that continued green activism has demonised coal so much that no-one is building new conventional plants (there is one gas plant in the pipeline which the government is building, that's it) and the aging plants still in service cannot cope. The part below is a fair summary of what's happening. Remember its winter in Australia.

"The elevated prices have been driven by record prices for coal and gas, exacerbated by the war in Ukraine which has caused international buyers to turn away from Russia, a major supplier of global energy. At the same time, several coal-fired power stations have been shut for maintenance work, suffered breakdowns or have had coal supplies constrained, tightening up the balance between supply and demand during the peak winter months." 

 

I have been writing for years about the corruption insanity of how citizens of countries who export commodities pay an inflated price like those who import their products. For example the US paying exorbitant nat gas prices as multiple pipelines feed Mexico and ships filled with gas float to Japan. Biden is on watch and will never escape my wrath for killing the economy at the expense of the poor. 

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But yea, the poor Australian citizen has been abused for decades as well. It’s no wonder the idea of renewables is so popular. Export, export, export but charge out the butt at home. This type of corruption strikes at the very root of fairness and democracy. This is Putin type policy. Out with the dogs. 😎

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11 hours ago, Boat said:

This type of corruption strikes at the very root of fairness and democracy.

Boat open your eye's, your frustration lies in one world order. Australia would not have a energy crisis if the country put Australia first. You might ask yourself as to why a governing body would allow it's citizenship to be jeopardized. Do a deep dive into the WTO and it's functioning...mostly importantly sovereign countries losing there sovereign rights. The Busch administration actually had to go back into after it was written and signed to rewrite it due to the fact it egregiously violated the US court system.

You speak to environmental/ social justice quite often. You might take the time to research the history of automotive imports into the US. Japan and Germany flourished while US auto workers were decimated. I have no qualms saying specifically the Black community...Detroit is a glaring example and today that community is in ruin.

It only gets worse, GM you might know it as a car company, it really is a parts manufacturer... The World's Largest.. by far..or was. To make these parts took precision machining...now here's the rub. Those lathes/machines  were  made by hand crafted machine's that enabled precision lathes to be made  a hundred years of engineering and perfection machining  They could build parts that allowed the US to build a infrastructure second to none...Today China has those machines and the tech...they can build anything the US can. China virtually bought AC delco...and the machines that made AC delco. And now Tesla has built factories in China, tech that was bought and paid for by US citizens...That tech is now China's.

All of these tradgies are a result of one world order, corporate order. Question would Germany have the need for such large energy needs without auto manufacturing? Take a look at how many autos Germany exports..it's stunning...As to China..almost overnight they will become the world's largest  auto industry..Brought to by GM or what was GM. 

The above tragedies are tearing the US democrat system apart, and enabling socialist and communist systems across the globe...and world body is beginning to flounder badly...Communism along with Socialism are once again tearing it apart.

To this thread, Australia is punishing it's citizenship,  Only to maintain this world order, and a socialist green ideology...very badly conceived and implemented.

And more...interwoven world society is very ill advised.

The US’s selfish war on inflation will tip the world into recession

The US’s selfish war on inflation will tip the world into recession

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jul/16/the-uss-selfish-war-on-inflation-will-tip-the-world-into-recession

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imagine.............. there is no sun, no wind, or cyclone hitting, flood inundating.... no electricity........ what could be done?

 

The latest saver of Aussies could be these.................. old paraffin candle and matches............

According to a book " ten thousand whys - chemistry", paraffin is said to be a clean energy.... environmentally friendly, yes? 'u'

Edited July 16, 2022 by specinho

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4 hours ago, specinho said:

The latest saver of Aussies could be these.................. old paraffin candle and matches............

 

We actually have a couple of old oil lamps, we could use those.. come to think of it the house I'm in is old enough to have a fire place. We'd just have to rip out the gas heater in there now and we could burn some wood from the garden. Its cold in Melbourne at the moment. I have both that gas heater and a blow-out electrical heater on.. Brrrrrrrrrr! 

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6 hours ago, markslawson said:

. I have both that gas heater and a blow-out electrical heater on.. Brrrrrrrrrr! 

Poor baby, you had to put socks, pants, and a sweatshirt on.  Its 15C... Brrrrr.  I feel for you!

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18 hours ago, markslawson said:

We actually have a couple of old oil lamps, we could use those.. come to think of it the house I'm in is old enough to have a fire place. We'd just have to rip out the gas heater in there now and we could burn some wood from the garden. Its cold in Melbourne at the moment. I have both that gas heater and a blow-out electrical heater on.. Brrrrrrrrrr! 

old enough house.............. means.... the wood structure is nearly past shelf life? '-'

A fire place ........ how timely......... '~'

have a spoon full of wine or liquor for the warming effect??