Mehmet 0 MM August 12, 2018 Does the large Oil and gas reserves found in egypt eradicate poverty of the nation? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW August 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mehmet said: Does the large Oil and gas reserves found in egypt eradicate poverty of the nation? Yep - just like it did in Venezuela. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mehmet 0 MM August 12, 2018 34 minutes ago, NickW said: Yep - just like it did in Venezuela. Need strong leadership Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW August 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mehmet said: Need strong honest leadership Corrected for you. Norway and Denmark are some of the best examples of how oil wealth has been used to improve society as a whole. In the Middle East most strong leaderships have stolen the oil wealth in one way or another for themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mehmet 0 MM August 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, NickW said: Corrected for you. Norway and Denmark are some of the best examples of how oil wealth has been used to improve society as a whole. In the Middle East most strong leaderships have stolen the oil wealth in one way or another for themselves. yes i mean to say Honest ..leadership with strong determination Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jan van Eck + 7,558 MG August 12, 2018 (edited) Readers may wish to keep in mind the current poverty situation in Egypt. Sitting in the middle of the City of Cairo is a cemetery. It is a quite large cemetery. Since there is no housing availability in Cairo, and since the population is rapidly expanding, people have been moving into the cemetery. Now remember, there is no electricity, no running water, no sewage, no streets and street lights, no nothing. And how many people are living on top of the graves, in huts and shacks, pooping outside on the other graves? 500,000! Yup, Cairo has this city within a city, with no services, of a half million people living on graves, with no water or sewer. (Or at least it did at one time; who knows, maybe the army has expelled them back into the desert. I don't really keep up on Egypt much.) They call it the "City of the Living Dead." The fecundity rate in Egypt is 6.7. That is an astonishing number, and it doubles the population in less than twelve years. Do you seriously think that the discovery of some gas is going to change that society? No chance. Egypt's problems stem from far too many people and uncontrollable reproduction. It remains deep in poverty until the population is stable, relative to the available resources. That implies that 3/4 of Egypt's population would have to emigrate - but to where? to the USA? To England? Hey, how about France? I don't think so. It also implies that Egypt has to go into an involuntary celibacy mode, and I don't see that on the horizon, either. Celibacy, or sexual abstinence, was the historical method of population control in Western countries, incidentally, something that is overlooked by both students and historians. In the 1800's perhaps only 35% of the men in England actually experienced sexual contact (coitus). The surplus males went to India as Army Officers, an entirely respectable career. Other males went into the Catholic Church for a life of abstinence from women. The males that went into the Royal Navy were abstinent from women (OK, not so much from men, but let's not go there). The men with money and property had access to women. Lots of women were spinsters throughout their lives, including most women who went into "service" in the grand manor-houses of the gentry, and those nurses in the charity hospitals. The upshot of all this abstinence was population control. You don't see any of that in Egypt. Hence, the population doubles in maybe 10 years. And now what? Edited August 12, 2018 by Jan van Eck 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW August 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Jan van Eck said: Readers may wish to keep in mind the current poverty situation in Egypt. Sitting in the middle of the City of Cairo is a cemetery. It is a quite large cemetery. Since there is no housing availability in Cairo, and since the population is rapidly expanding, people have been moving into the cemetery. Now remember, there is no electricity, no running water, no sewage, no streets and street lights, no nothing. And how many people are living on top of the graves, in huts and shacks, pooping outside on the other graves? 500,000! Yup, Cairo has this city within a city, with no services, of a half million people living on graves, with no water or sewer. (Or at least it did at one time; who knows, maybe the army has expelled them back into the desert. I don't really keep up on Egypt much.) They call it the "City of the Living Dead." The fecundity rate in Egypt is 6.7. That is an astonishing number, and it doubles the population in less than twelve years. Do you seriously think that the discovery of some gas is going to change that society? No chance. Egypt's problems stem from far too many people and uncontrollable reproduction. It remains deep in poverty until the population is stable, relative to the available resources. That implies that 3/4 of Egypt's population would have to emigrate - but to where? to the USA? To England? Hey, how about France? I don't think so. It also implies that Egypt has to go into an involuntary celibacy mode, and I don't see that on the horizon, either. Celibacy, or sexual abstinence, was the historical method of population control in Western countries, incidentally, something that is overlooked by both students and historians. In the 1800's perhaps only 35% of the men in England actually experienced sexual contact (coitus). The surplus males went to India as Army Officers, an entirely respectable career. Other males went into the Catholic Church for a life of abstinence from women. The males that went into the Royal Navy were abstinent from women (OK, not so much from men, but let's not go there). The men with money and property had access to women. Lots of women were spinsters throughout their lives, including most women who went into "service" in the grand manor-houses of the gentry, and those nurses in the charity hospitals. The upshot of all this abstinence was population control. You don't see any of that in Egypt. Hence, the population doubles in maybe 10 years. And now what? Which I suspect soon resolved their lack of female contact 😉 As you say the answer for Egypt and what to do with its gas wealth - invest in better family planning. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites