Tom Nolan + 2,443 TN September 26, 2022 EXCERPTS: ...Green energy is a scam. It has nothing to do with saving the planet... ...Yes, the renewable energy grid will utterly fail to provide the energy needed to power our modern postindustrial society. That's precisely the point. By making energy even more scarce, those with their hands on the energy spigot will have the ultimate control over society, deciding when, where and how to allocate scarce energy supplies to the public. ... ...If you're here reading these words, then perhaps you already know where the green energy myth is taking us. You know about the Great Reset and Agenda 2030 and the push for a global technocracy. You probably even know precisely how they're going to convince the public to go along with this insanity. You know about the "green" propaganda and the "sustainable development" scam, and you know that the climate scam will be the cornerstone for the global carbon tax that will be the backbone of the de facto global government... https://corbettreport.substack.com/p/green-energy-is-a-scam-it-isnt-meant https://www.corbettreport.com/green-energy-is-a-scam-it-isnt-meant-to-work/ "Green" Energy Is a Scam. It Isn't MEANT to Work. The Corbett Report 21 hr ago by James Corbettcorbettreport.com September 24, 2022 Good news, everybody! A new report from the eggheads at Oxford University assures us that switching to renewables will actually save us trillions of dollars! You heard that right. It won't cost us trillions of dollars to build out a completely new global energy grid infrastructure based on technology that is still under development and then to switch the entire global economy onto it. No, don't be silly! It's going to save us trillions of dollars. TRILLIONS, I tell you! Now, I know what some of you skeptical Corbett Reporteers out there are thinking: how can that be? After all, as The Manhattan Contrarian blog points out in a recent post on the "Cost of the Green Energy Transition," the disruption to the European gas supply caused by the Ukraine kerfuffle is already wreaking havoc on Europe's economy, with Germans bracing for a 13% rise in their regulated consumer gas bills this year and UK residents facing a near tripling of their own energy bills. And that's before the Great Resetters start shutting off the pipes for real and forcing the hoi polloi on to the wind/solar/unicorn fart "green" energy grid. But why believe the actual economic pain you're experiencing (heating your own home this winter) when your Oxfordian overlords have big, fat reports (that no one will read) telling you how much money will be saved by switching over to a green energy grid? After all, the BBC and MSN and Nature World News are tripping all over themselves to repeat these findings unquestioningly, so who are you to bring up any of the pesky "facts" that contradict this comforting fairy tale? Oh, OK, I'll drop the act. The latest Oxford study—along with the many similar pronouncements made in recent years that the transition onto the green energy grid will be painless (or even profitable)—is easily debunkable propaganda. But it is pernicious propaganda. It's designed to get the plebes to actively embrace their own enslavement in the name of saving Mother Earth, and—up to this point—it has been remarkably effective in that goal. In truth, the green energy sustainable enslavement grid is a scam from top to bottom. But it is not simply a pie-in-the-sky pipe dream being sold to a gullible and ignorant public. It's worse than that. It is a carefully crafted lie that is designed to lead us into our new role as serfs on the neofeudal plantation in the coming green dystopia. Want to know the details? Let's dig in. The Green Energy Myth I don't know if you've been paying attention these last few decades, but the usual cadre of crimatologists, "activists," sustainable enslavement-pushing banksters and corrupt politicians are desperately trying to sell the public on the idea that windmills, solar panels and unicorn farts are a magical pixie dust capable of transforming the human population from greedy, fat-cat crapitalists raping the planet for fun and profit into peace-loving, Kumbaya communists living in perfect harmony with nature. Believe it or not, they're lying! Take the latest Oxford study I referred to above, for instance. Bearing the title "Empirically grounded technology forecasts and the energy transition," it starts by simply assuming the truth of the fundamental lie that the entire green myth is constructed upon: "Rapidly decarbonizing the global energy system is critical for addressing climate change." This is, of course, not true, as I have demonstrated time and time and time and time and time and time and time again. (And again and again and again and again.) But, after simply stating this bald-faced lie as fact, the Oxfordian boffins then have the gall to urinate on your face and tell you it's raining: "Compared to continuing with a fossil fuel-based system, a rapid green energy transition will likely result in overall net savings of many trillions of dollars—even without accounting for climate damages or co-benefits of climate policy." As always, I encourage you to read the report for yourself to see how they fabricate the so-called "evidence" for this surprising "conclusion"—though I'm sure you can imagine most of their tricks before you even open the link. First, they abuse blatantly bias-prone models to "estimate" (read: make up) future energy system costs, which, they freely admit, "will change with time due to innovation, competition, public policy, concerns about climate change, and other factors." Then, after gazing into their magical crystal ball and seeing whatever they want to see with regard to future costs, they use "probabilistic methods" to "view energy pathways through the lens of placing bets on technologies." I kid you not, this "empirically grounded" and totally "scientific" study tells us, in effect, that if we're betting men we should put all our chips on green . . . "green" energy, that is. Go on, read it for yourself. But here's the rub: these types of "scientific" studies only come off as believable to the most credulous Joe Sixpacks and Jane Soccermoms out there, the type who get their news from CNN and believe everything Al Gore tells them. These pithy platitudes promising perfectly painless energy transitions—even when they are dressed up in the language of empiricism and bear the imprimatur of Oxford University—are not credible in the least to anyone with a technical background in these areas. Indeed, the Oxford study and similar utopian predictions of green energy transitions rely on a stream of untenable assumptions and faulty logic. For example, as Manhattan Contrarian points out in his blog post on "Cost of the Green Energy Transition," the Oxford researchers take the downward price trend of lithium-ion (li-ion) batteries over the past two decades and extrapolate those figures out based on the assumption that they will continue falling indefinitely without limit. As the study even explicitly says, "We know of no empirical evidence supporting floor costs [on green technology deployment] and do not impose them." This is so certifiably insane it's difficult to know where to begin. First, let's interrogate the actual economic argument here, shall we? The researchers tip their hand when they show the current (2020) price of li-ion batteries as being about $100/kWh and "forecast" that it will drop to about $20/kWh by 2050. In actuality, the 2020 price for such batteries is (according to the National Renewable Energy Laboratory) about $350/kWh (see Figure ES-2), and those prices are predicted to drop to about $150/kWh by 2050. If that forecast is accurate, the actual 2050 price for li-ion batteries would still be 50% higher than the "current" price used in the Oxford study model. The discrepancy between these figures, Manhattan Contrarian points out, "appears to lie mainly in elements of a real-world battery installation other than the core battery itself, like a building to house it, devices to convert AC to DC and back, grid connections, 'balance of plant,' and so forth." In other words, the study's authors didn't look in any way at the real-world cost of actually installing, connecting, using and maintaining these batteries; they simply looked at the raw cost of the battery itself and ignored the rest. This methodology becomes even more problematic when you learn that Energy & Environmental Science actually published a study in 2018 estimating the real-world cost of installing and running a lithium-ion battery storage system capable of handling a US energy grid that ran on 80% wind and solar. Their conclusion? It would cost a staggering $2.5 trillion to get such a system up and running! Oddly, the Oxford study doesn't take these costs into account at all. They just tell you that the battery price will fall to $20/kWh and leave it at that. And what of the materials required to construct these lithium-ion batteries and solar panels and windmills and other green energy components? In case you were under the impression that the components for these technologies just magically materialized out of fairy dust in an environmentally-friendly way and then disappeared back into the ether after these installations break down, here's a 72-minute reality check from Simon Michaux, an associate professor of geometallurgy at the Geological Survey of Finland, in which he argues that: The quantity of metal required to make just one generation of renewable tech units to replace fossil fuels, is much larger than first thought. Current mining production of these metals is not even close to meeting demand. Current reported mineral reserves are also not enough in size. Most concerning is copper as one of the flagged shortfalls. Exploration for more at required volumes will be difficult, with this seminar addressing these issues. Perhaps this is why, in point of fact, lithium prices are surging right now, with prices tripling in the last year in places like China, not plummeting as the Oxford study predicts. But the green energy myth goes well beyond the argument from economic impracticality. It isn't just that, in direct contradiction to the hogwash put out by the Oxford researchers and their ilk, such a transition will not save us trillions of dollars but actually cost us trillions of dollars. And it isn't just that—as country after country after country is now finding out—the transition to green energy production is pushing people further into poverty as they struggle to pay their increasing energy bills. It's not even that the green energy transition is provably already putting a strain on power grids that are struggling to keep up with electricity demand. It's that these "green" energy systems are not really green at all. In fact, wide-scale implementation of these renewable power technologies is actively harmful to the environment. Take those lithium-ion batteries we examined earlier. The lithium for these batteries comes from a mining process that is wreaking untold havoc on habitats around the world. In Chile, for example, a full 65% of the water in the region surrounding the Salar de Atacama salt flat is being consumed by lithium miners, who require 500,000 gallons of water for every tonne of lithium produced. And in Tibet, a toxic chemical leak from a lithium mine caused a mass die-off of fish and livestock in a nearby villlage, sparking mass protests. And that's to say nothing about the bevy of toxic materials found in solar panels that leach into the environment and will eventually need to be disposed of. Or the long-known fact that wind turbines "take a toll on birds," contributing to hundreds of thousands of avian deaths every year in the US alone. Or the oft-neglected environmental destruction that will come from clearing the millions of acres of land that will be required to run the solar and wind farms of the Oxfordians increasingly dystopian vision. Are you starting to get the picture? Yes, there is much more that could (and should!) be written about the green energy myth, but let's boil it down to a soundbite for those poor souls suffering from today's short attention span: So-called "green" energy is not about saving the planet. It's about controlling the planet. The Green Energy Reality I realize a certain portion of the population—having been programmed by half a century of over-the-top, anti-human propaganda—will have a single, predictable, knee-jerk reaction to anyone deconstructing the green energy myth: "You must be a Big Oil shill!" It's particularly funny when the accusation is leveled at me, since I literally wrote the documentary on How Big Oil Conquered the World. But even more to the point, I wrote the documentary on Why Big Oil Conquered the World, and those who have seen that documentary will know that the greatest trick the oligarchy ever pulled was convincing the public that all they were concerned with was oil. As those who delve deeply into the subject inevitably discover, the takeover of the world by these well-connected oiligarchs wasn't about oil at all. It was about power. This is precisely why the Rockefellers have divested from oil and why Saudi Arabia is trying to pivot to their robot citizens and Neom nonsense and why BP and Exxon and all the other members of the oiligarchy are setting "net zero" pledges. It's because the green energy system of the future (and thus the global economy that relies on it) will be even more strictly controlled in the future, and those who are bringing this controlled, technocratic slave state of the future into reality are seeking to monopolize and control the resources of the earth. To understand what is really happening here, we have to look past the low-level green energy propaganda that is meant for the fluoride-addled normies to lap up and look to the higher-level propaganda that is intended to bring the New World Order middle management up to speed on the new power paradigm. As usual, there's no better place to turn for precisely that type of propaganda than the pages of Foreign Affairs, the journal of the Council on Foreign Relations. In a recent article on "The Green Upheaval," they plainly admit what the green energy push is really about: "Talk of a smooth transition to clean energy is fanciful: there is no way that the world can avoid major upheavals as it remakes the entire energy system, which is the lifeblood of the global economy and underpins the geopolitical order." No, the green energy transition is not going to be a happy clappy cakewalk into a fantasy future, as the activists promise. And that particular rainbow will not lead to a multi-trillion-dollar pot of gold, as the Oxfordians promise. What it will do is radically upend the lives and livelihoods of every person on the planet by taking away the one thing that has done more than anything else in all of human history to empower the population to proclaim their independence from the oligarchs: access to cheap energy. Yes, the renewable energy grid will utterly fail to provide the energy needed to power our modern postindustrial society. That's precisely the point. By making energy even more scarce, those with their hands on the energy spigot will have the ultimate control over society, deciding when, where and how to allocate scarce energy supplies to the public. Europeans who are wondering how they will be able to afford to heat their homes and businesses this winter are just starting to understand what this new "green" economy will really look like for those on the lower rungs of the economic ladder. It is not difficult to discern the contours of the world that these energy transition advocates are driving us towards. It is a world in which all of the things we take for granted—the ability to travel freely, to buy and sell independently, to heat our own homes and even to turn on a lightbulb—will be privileges carefully rationed by our neofeudal overlords. Think you'll be able to control the thermostat in your own home once the new economic overlords have their "smart" "green" energy grid in place? Think again. Think you'll be able to eat as you normally do once the green mafia is in power? Think again. Think you'll be able to use your hard-earned digital energy credits to buy whatever you like or travel wherever you want in the technocratic tyranny of the future? Think again. Welcome to the Green Leap Forward, where you will own nothing, live in a hovel, face the possibility of freezing to death every winter and struggle to make ends meet . . . but you'll be happy! After all, you'll be allowed to eat ze bugs and use the energy ration that the global government doles out for you each day. And if that's not enough, then you can keep warm by vigorously patting yourself on the back for helping protect humanity from the wrath of the weather gods. You're saving the earth! Where We Go From Here If you're here reading these words, then perhaps you already know where the green energy myth is taking us. You know about the Great Reset and Agenda 2030 and the push for a global technocracy. You probably even know precisely how they're going to convince the public to go along with this insanity. You know about the "green" propaganda and the "sustainable development" scam, and you know that the climate scam will be the cornerstone for the global carbon tax that will be the backbone of the de facto global government. Perhaps you take hope from the resistance to this green enslavement agenda that is appearing around the world. Perhaps you take comfort seeing the Dutch farmers and the Sri Lankan farmers and the Argentinian farmers and the Irish farmers and their farmer friends around the globe rising up. Perhaps you take heart knowing that, with so many livelihoods throughout the world being threatened by this sick, anti-human agenda, the agenda will be derailed. And perhaps you take pity on the slumbering masses who are finally starting to rise in protest on the streets of Prague and Leipzig and London. The slumbering masses are awakening! I, too, think that these movements are, overall, a positive development . . . . . . but by themselves they are not enough. What are the farmers protesting for, after all? The right to dump glyphosate and other toxic chemicals on their GMO crops? And what are energy price protesters hoping to accomplish, exactly? Are they merely demanding that the government step in with more subsidies and price controls to ease the economic burden of the oh-so-necessary green energy transition? No, unless and until we start confronting this myth at its roots, we will continue to plunge headlong into the dystopic nightmare of the Great Resetters and their ilk. Yes, we do need an alternative energy system to power the economy of free humanity. We do need to abandon the system that chains our economic livelihood to the whims of the oil cartel and puts us at the mercy of the government-sanctioned energy cartel. We do need a decentralized system that takes advantage of every technological development for creating and storing our own power, so we can truly get off the grid. But that is not what is being sold to us in the name of the green energy hoax. The pushers of the Agenda 2030 nightmare do not want us to be independent and free; they want us to be even more tightly controlled and surveilled than before. Green energy is a scam. It has nothing to do with saving the planet. It has everything to do with artificially limiting our access to power and thus making the population more dependent than ever on the oligarchs and their systems of control. We must reject this racket and all of the pseudoscientific nonsense that is being used to push it on the public. Spread the word. That's how you can really save the planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Nolan + 2,443 TN September 26, 2022 NOTE: The Corbett article above goes into great detail about the Oxford paper. https://oilprice.com/The-Environment/Global-Warming/Climate-Change-Could-Cost-The-Global-Economy-23-Trillion-By-2050.html Climate Change Could Cost The Global Economy $23 Trillion By 2050 By Haley Zaremba - Sep 24, 2022, 2:00 PM CDT Climate change could cost the global economy as much as $23 trillion by 2050. The U.S. federal government alone could spend between $25 billion and $128 billion each year in such areas as coastal disaster relief, flood insurance and crop insurance. A new report from Oxford University found that switching from fossil fuels to renewable energy could save the world a whopping $12 trillion US dollars by just 2050. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markslawson + 1,057 ML September 27, 2022 11 hours ago, Tom Nolan said: ...Yes, the renewable energy grid will utterly fail to provide the energy needed to power our modern postindustrial society. Tom - I certainly agree with this point. RE has to date proved to be little more than a waste of time, and is set to cause major harm by failing to deliver on activist promises, However, I will try the line at the conspiracy theories. Those pushing this stuff are religious zealots who have become obsessed with emissions above all things, including the basic welfare of the ordinary energy consumer. They don't have other motives. As an aside, perhaps you could look at summarising or condensing some of the material you present. Its too much to take in. Yes, I know you wish to make a compelling case, but no-one's going to read all the material you present. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,323 RG September 27, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 7:22 AM, Tom Nolan said: EXCERPTS: ...Green energy is a scam. It has nothing to do with saving the planet... ...Yes, the renewable energy grid will utterly fail to provide the energy needed to power our modern postindustrial society. That's precisely the point. By making energy even more scarce, those with their hands on the energy spigot will have the ultimate control over society, deciding when, where and how to allocate scarce energy supplies to the public. ... ...If you're here reading these words, then perhaps you already know where the green energy myth is taking us. You know about the Great Reset and Agenda 2030 and the push for a global technocracy. You probably even know precisely how they're going to convince the public to go along with this insanity. You know about the "green" propaganda and the "sustainable development" scam, and you know that the climate scam will be the cornerstone for the global carbon tax that will be the backbone of the de facto global government... https://corbettreport.substack.com/p/green-energy-is-a-scam-it-isnt-meant https://www.corbettreport.com/green-energy-is-a-scam-it-isnt-meant-to-work/ "Green" Energy Is a Scam. It Isn't MEANT to Work. The Corbett Report 21 hr ago by James Corbettcorbettreport.com September 24, 2022 Good news, everybody! A new report from the eggheads at Oxford University assures us that switching to renewables will actually save us trillions of dollars! You heard that right. It won't cost us trillions of dollars to build out a completely new global energy grid infrastructure based on technology that is still under development and then to switch the entire global economy onto it. No, don't be silly! It's going to save us trillions of dollars. TRILLIONS, I tell you! Now, I know what some of you skeptical Corbett Reporteers out there are thinking: how can that be? After all, as The Manhattan Contrarian blog points out in a recent post on the "Cost of the Green Energy Transition," the disruption to the European gas supply caused by the Ukraine kerfuffle is already wreaking havoc on Europe's economy, with Germans bracing for a 13% rise in their regulated consumer gas bills this year and UK residents facing a near tripling of their own energy bills. And that's before the Great Resetters start shutting off the pipes for real and forcing the hoi polloi on to the wind/solar/unicorn fart "green" energy grid. But why believe the actual economic pain you're experiencing (heating your own home this winter) when your Oxfordian overlords have big, fat reports (that no one will read) telling you how much money will be saved by switching over to a green energy grid? After all, the BBC and MSN and Nature World News are tripping all over themselves to repeat these findings unquestioningly, so who are you to bring up any of the pesky "facts" that contradict this comforting fairy tale? Oh, OK, I'll drop the act. The latest Oxford study—along with the many similar pronouncements made in recent years that the transition onto the green energy grid will be painless (or even profitable)—is easily debunkable propaganda. But it is pernicious propaganda. It's designed to get the plebes to actively embrace their own enslavement in the name of saving Mother Earth, and—up to this point—it has been remarkably effective in that goal. In truth, the green energy sustainable enslavement grid is a scam from top to bottom. But it is not simply a pie-in-the-sky pipe dream being sold to a gullible and ignorant public. It's worse than that. It is a carefully crafted lie that is designed to lead us into our new role as serfs on the neofeudal plantation in the coming green dystopia. Want to know the details? Let's dig in. The Green Energy Myth I don't know if you've been paying attention these last few decades, but the usual cadre of crimatologists, "activists," sustainable enslavement-pushing banksters and corrupt politicians are desperately trying to sell the public on the idea that windmills, solar panels and unicorn farts are a magical pixie dust capable of transforming the human population from greedy, fat-cat crapitalists raping the planet for fun and profit into peace-loving, Kumbaya communists living in perfect harmony with nature. Believe it or not, they're lying! Take the latest Oxford study I referred to above, for instance. Bearing the title "Empirically grounded technology forecasts and the energy transition," it starts by simply assuming the truth of the fundamental lie that the entire green myth is constructed upon: "Rapidly decarbonizing the global energy system is critical for addressing climate change." This is, of course, not true, as I have demonstrated time and time and time and time and time and time and time again. (And again and again and again and again.) But, after simply stating this bald-faced lie as fact, the Oxfordian boffins then have the gall to urinate on your face and tell you it's raining: "Compared to continuing with a fossil fuel-based system, a rapid green energy transition will likely result in overall net savings of many trillions of dollars—even without accounting for climate damages or co-benefits of climate policy." As always, I encourage you to read the report for yourself to see how they fabricate the so-called "evidence" for this surprising "conclusion"—though I'm sure you can imagine most of their tricks before you even open the link. First, they abuse blatantly bias-prone models to "estimate" (read: make up) future energy system costs, which, they freely admit, "will change with time due to innovation, competition, public policy, concerns about climate change, and other factors." Then, after gazing into their magical crystal ball and seeing whatever they want to see with regard to future costs, they use "probabilistic methods" to "view energy pathways through the lens of placing bets on technologies." I kid you not, this "empirically grounded" and totally "scientific" study tells us, in effect, that if we're betting men we should put all our chips on green . . . "green" energy, that is. Go on, read it for yourself. But here's the rub: these types of "scientific" studies only come off as believable to the most credulous Joe Sixpacks and Jane Soccermoms out there, the type who get their news from CNN and believe everything Al Gore tells them. These pithy platitudes promising perfectly painless energy transitions—even when they are dressed up in the language of empiricism and bear the imprimatur of Oxford University—are not credible in the least to anyone with a technical background in these areas. Indeed, the Oxford study and similar utopian predictions of green energy transitions rely on a stream of untenable assumptions and faulty logic. For example, as Manhattan Contrarian points out in his blog post on "Cost of the Green Energy Transition," the Oxford researchers take the downward price trend of lithium-ion (li-ion) batteries over the past two decades and extrapolate those figures out based on the assumption that they will continue falling indefinitely without limit. As the study even explicitly says, "We know of no empirical evidence supporting floor costs [on green technology deployment] and do not impose them." This is so certifiably insane it's difficult to know where to begin. First, let's interrogate the actual economic argument here, shall we? The researchers tip their hand when they show the current (2020) price of li-ion batteries as being about $100/kWh and "forecast" that it will drop to about $20/kWh by 2050. In actuality, the 2020 price for such batteries is (according to the National Renewable Energy Laboratory) about $350/kWh (see Figure ES-2), and those prices are predicted to drop to about $150/kWh by 2050. If that forecast is accurate, the actual 2050 price for li-ion batteries would still be 50% higher than the "current" price used in the Oxford study model. The discrepancy between these figures, Manhattan Contrarian points out, "appears to lie mainly in elements of a real-world battery installation other than the core battery itself, like a building to house it, devices to convert AC to DC and back, grid connections, 'balance of plant,' and so forth." In other words, the study's authors didn't look in any way at the real-world cost of actually installing, connecting, using and maintaining these batteries; they simply looked at the raw cost of the battery itself and ignored the rest. This methodology becomes even more problematic when you learn that Energy & Environmental Science actually published a study in 2018 estimating the real-world cost of installing and running a lithium-ion battery storage system capable of handling a US energy grid that ran on 80% wind and solar. Their conclusion? It would cost a staggering $2.5 trillion to get such a system up and running! Oddly, the Oxford study doesn't take these costs into account at all. They just tell you that the battery price will fall to $20/kWh and leave it at that. And what of the materials required to construct these lithium-ion batteries and solar panels and windmills and other green energy components? In case you were under the impression that the components for these technologies just magically materialized out of fairy dust in an environmentally-friendly way and then disappeared back into the ether after these installations break down, here's a 72-minute reality check from Simon Michaux, an associate professor of geometallurgy at the Geological Survey of Finland, in which he argues that: The quantity of metal required to make just one generation of renewable tech units to replace fossil fuels, is much larger than first thought. Current mining production of these metals is not even close to meeting demand. Current reported mineral reserves are also not enough in size. Most concerning is copper as one of the flagged shortfalls. Exploration for more at required volumes will be difficult, with this seminar addressing these issues. Perhaps this is why, in point of fact, lithium prices are surging right now, with prices tripling in the last year in places like China, not plummeting as the Oxford study predicts. But the green energy myth goes well beyond the argument from economic impracticality. It isn't just that, in direct contradiction to the hogwash put out by the Oxford researchers and their ilk, such a transition will not save us trillions of dollars but actually cost us trillions of dollars. And it isn't just that—as country after country after country is now finding out—the transition to green energy production is pushing people further into poverty as they struggle to pay their increasing energy bills. It's not even that the green energy transition is provably already putting a strain on power grids that are struggling to keep up with electricity demand. It's that these "green" energy systems are not really green at all. In fact, wide-scale implementation of these renewable power technologies is actively harmful to the environment. Take those lithium-ion batteries we examined earlier. The lithium for these batteries comes from a mining process that is wreaking untold havoc on habitats around the world. In Chile, for example, a full 65% of the water in the region surrounding the Salar de Atacama salt flat is being consumed by lithium miners, who require 500,000 gallons of water for every tonne of lithium produced. And in Tibet, a toxic chemical leak from a lithium mine caused a mass die-off of fish and livestock in a nearby villlage, sparking mass protests. And that's to say nothing about the bevy of toxic materials found in solar panels that leach into the environment and will eventually need to be disposed of. Or the long-known fact that wind turbines "take a toll on birds," contributing to hundreds of thousands of avian deaths every year in the US alone. Or the oft-neglected environmental destruction that will come from clearing the millions of acres of land that will be required to run the solar and wind farms of the Oxfordians increasingly dystopian vision. Are you starting to get the picture? Yes, there is much more that could (and should!) be written about the green energy myth, but let's boil it down to a soundbite for those poor souls suffering from today's short attention span: So-called "green" energy is not about saving the planet. It's about controlling the planet. The Green Energy Reality I realize a certain portion of the population—having been programmed by half a century of over-the-top, anti-human propaganda—will have a single, predictable, knee-jerk reaction to anyone deconstructing the green energy myth: "You must be a Big Oil shill!" It's particularly funny when the accusation is leveled at me, since I literally wrote the documentary on How Big Oil Conquered the World. But even more to the point, I wrote the documentary on Why Big Oil Conquered the World, and those who have seen that documentary will know that the greatest trick the oligarchy ever pulled was convincing the public that all they were concerned with was oil. As those who delve deeply into the subject inevitably discover, the takeover of the world by these well-connected oiligarchs wasn't about oil at all. It was about power. This is precisely why the Rockefellers have divested from oil and why Saudi Arabia is trying to pivot to their robot citizens and Neom nonsense and why BP and Exxon and all the other members of the oiligarchy are setting "net zero" pledges. It's because the green energy system of the future (and thus the global economy that relies on it) will be even more strictly controlled in the future, and those who are bringing this controlled, technocratic slave state of the future into reality are seeking to monopolize and control the resources of the earth. To understand what is really happening here, we have to look past the low-level green energy propaganda that is meant for the fluoride-addled normies to lap up and look to the higher-level propaganda that is intended to bring the New World Order middle management up to speed on the new power paradigm. As usual, there's no better place to turn for precisely that type of propaganda than the pages of Foreign Affairs, the journal of the Council on Foreign Relations. In a recent article on "The Green Upheaval," they plainly admit what the green energy push is really about: "Talk of a smooth transition to clean energy is fanciful: there is no way that the world can avoid major upheavals as it remakes the entire energy system, which is the lifeblood of the global economy and underpins the geopolitical order." No, the green energy transition is not going to be a happy clappy cakewalk into a fantasy future, as the activists promise. And that particular rainbow will not lead to a multi-trillion-dollar pot of gold, as the Oxfordians promise. What it will do is radically upend the lives and livelihoods of every person on the planet by taking away the one thing that has done more than anything else in all of human history to empower the population to proclaim their independence from the oligarchs: access to cheap energy. Yes, the renewable energy grid will utterly fail to provide the energy needed to power our modern postindustrial society. That's precisely the point. By making energy even more scarce, those with their hands on the energy spigot will have the ultimate control over society, deciding when, where and how to allocate scarce energy supplies to the public. Europeans who are wondering how they will be able to afford to heat their homes and businesses this winter are just starting to understand what this new "green" economy will really look like for those on the lower rungs of the economic ladder. It is not difficult to discern the contours of the world that these energy transition advocates are driving us towards. It is a world in which all of the things we take for granted—the ability to travel freely, to buy and sell independently, to heat our own homes and even to turn on a lightbulb—will be privileges carefully rationed by our neofeudal overlords. Think you'll be able to control the thermostat in your own home once the new economic overlords have their "smart" "green" energy grid in place? Think again. Think you'll be able to eat as you normally do once the green mafia is in power? Think again. Think you'll be able to use your hard-earned digital energy credits to buy whatever you like or travel wherever you want in the technocratic tyranny of the future? Think again. Welcome to the Green Leap Forward, where you will own nothing, live in a hovel, face the possibility of freezing to death every winter and struggle to make ends meet . . . but you'll be happy! After all, you'll be allowed to eat ze bugs and use the energy ration that the global government doles out for you each day. And if that's not enough, then you can keep warm by vigorously patting yourself on the back for helping protect humanity from the wrath of the weather gods. You're saving the earth! Where We Go From Here If you're here reading these words, then perhaps you already know where the green energy myth is taking us. You know about the Great Reset and Agenda 2030 and the push for a global technocracy. You probably even know precisely how they're going to convince the public to go along with this insanity. You know about the "green" propaganda and the "sustainable development" scam, and you know that the climate scam will be the cornerstone for the global carbon tax that will be the backbone of the de facto global government. Perhaps you take hope from the resistance to this green enslavement agenda that is appearing around the world. Perhaps you take comfort seeing the Dutch farmers and the Sri Lankan farmers and the Argentinian farmers and the Irish farmers and their farmer friends around the globe rising up. Perhaps you take heart knowing that, with so many livelihoods throughout the world being threatened by this sick, anti-human agenda, the agenda will be derailed. And perhaps you take pity on the slumbering masses who are finally starting to rise in protest on the streets of Prague and Leipzig and London. The slumbering masses are awakening! I, too, think that these movements are, overall, a positive development . . . . . . but by themselves they are not enough. What are the farmers protesting for, after all? The right to dump glyphosate and other toxic chemicals on their GMO crops? And what are energy price protesters hoping to accomplish, exactly? Are they merely demanding that the government step in with more subsidies and price controls to ease the economic burden of the oh-so-necessary green energy transition? No, unless and until we start confronting this myth at its roots, we will continue to plunge headlong into the dystopic nightmare of the Great Resetters and their ilk. Yes, we do need an alternative energy system to power the economy of free humanity. We do need to abandon the system that chains our economic livelihood to the whims of the oil cartel and puts us at the mercy of the government-sanctioned energy cartel. We do need a decentralized system that takes advantage of every technological development for creating and storing our own power, so we can truly get off the grid. But that is not what is being sold to us in the name of the green energy hoax. The pushers of the Agenda 2030 nightmare do not want us to be independent and free; they want us to be even more tightly controlled and surveilled than before. Green energy is a scam. It has nothing to do with saving the planet. It has everything to do with artificially limiting our access to power and thus making the population more dependent than ever on the oligarchs and their systems of control. We must reject this racket and all of the pseudoscientific nonsense that is being used to push it on the public. Spread the word. That's how you can really save the planet. Lol, electricity costs would be higher in Texas than California if it didn’t have renewables. You don’t live in the 8 months of 96 degree temp year after year. Texas also has steady growth in population along with growing manufacturing. Solar runs all that AC plus a bunch of nat gas. Wind, solar and nat gas grows every year. If Texas were a country it would be called a huge energy user. Solar + wind + batteries is the obvious and cheapest. Nat gas used to be the cheapest but no longer. Nat gas is very expensive and cannot be trusted to fuel a hungry state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,323 RG September 27, 2022 Let me woke your lack of education about electricity demand. I will type slow. If a typical house uses 500 kw in the summer it might use 700kw in the winter. Your state will vary. Solar and now Solar with batteries works great in the Summer. Not as good in the winter. Massive growth expected. Demand is bigger in the winter. You tank commanders factor this in…….ok? Solar and batteries are not ready to handle winter. Wind does typically work better in the winter but not to the scale needed by a massive percentage. Maybe someday? Let’s give it 10 years and see what tech has developed. Renewables survive and grow because even though they don’t provide an energy solution they come with savings and diversity in an extreme volatile nat gas price market. There is no green conspiracy and Trump got his butt kicked. Let’s stay real. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markslawson + 1,057 ML September 29, 2022 On 9/27/2022 at 11:22 PM, Boat said: Lol, electricity costs would be higher in Texas than California if it didn’t have renewables. You don’t live in the 8 months of 96 degree temp year after year. I shouldn't bother to comment on your posts but this is an absurd argument. Texas has a lot of wind energy because the geographical conditions favour wind production so wind farm developers can make a lot of money selling energy both to the local grid and other states with lunatic renewable energy policies. However, wind remains so unreliable that users are still often asked to curtail energy use. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Nolan + 2,443 TN September 29, 2022 On 9/27/2022 at 12:56 PM, Boat said: Let me woke your lack of education about electricity demand. I will type slow. If a typical house uses 500 kw in the summer it might use 700kw in the winter. Your state will vary. Solar and now Solar with batteries works great in the Summer. Not as good in the winter. Massive growth expected. Demand is bigger in the winter. You tank commanders factor this in…….ok? Solar and batteries are not ready to handle winter. Wind does typically work better in the winter but not to the scale needed by a massive percentage. Maybe someday? Let’s give it 10 years and see what tech has developed. Renewables survive and grow because even though they don’t provide an energy solution they come with savings and diversity in an extreme volatile nat gas price market. There is no green conspiracy and Trump got his butt kicked. Let’s stay real. Of course I am no Trump fan and do not vote because I am a Volluntaryist. You know that Boat. Boat, Go ahead...buy your rigged Carbon Credits and support your powerful elite Corporate Technocratic overlords who want to dictate how people live their lives in the name of that 'harmful' CO2. That is your choice. You can choose to be ruled by them. They like your support. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 September 29, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, markslawson said: I shouldn't bother to comment on your posts but this is an absurd argument. Texas has a lot of wind energy because the geographical conditions favour wind production so wind farm developers can make a lot of money selling energy both to the local grid and other states with lunatic renewable energy policies. However, wind remains so unreliable that users are still often asked to curtail energy use. No, Texas has a lot of wind energy generated(I won't call it power as any intermittent source does not generate Power, but can create energy) because #1 they have the natural gas and natural gas storage co located to make up for when the wind DOES NOT BLOW allowing #2 the geographical region with fairly consistent winds to have wind turbines built. EDIT: Remember, without quick firing, power demand curve following NG, Wind turbines are nearly impossible to install. Yea yea, you could follow the curve with diesel generators.... 🙄 Edited September 29, 2022 by footeab@yahoo.com 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 467 September 29, 2022 On 9/27/2022 at 8:17 AM, markslawson said: Tom - I certainly agree with this point. RE has to date proved to be little more than a waste of time, and is set to cause major harm by failing to deliver on activist promises, However, I will try the line at the conspiracy theories. Those pushing this stuff are religious zealots who have become obsessed with emissions above all things, including the basic welfare of the ordinary energy consumer. They don't have other motives. As an aside, perhaps you could look at summarising or condensing some of the material you present. Its too much to take in. Yes, I know you wish to make a compelling case, but no-one's going to read all the material you present. everyone is highly specialized nowadays, with only one or a few tasks at hands. The rest we usually delegate..... When people do not know better............ and they believe it is not their job to know, they delegate.......... The existing mess started off with kind intention, plus a little panic that oil and gas reserves would be drying up by 2030 or so, ended up such a mess because NO ONE knows better and no one bothers to know more about jobs of other 'experts'........ There is a common practice...."The tasks of a president and top officers are just putting down signature and meet the media", right? 'n' 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP September 30, 2022 14 hours ago, specinho said: everyone is highly specialized nowadays, with only one or a few tasks at hands. The rest we usually delegate..... When people do not know better............ and they believe it is not their job to know, they delegate.......... The existing mess started off with kind intention, plus a little panic that oil and gas reserves would be drying up by 2030 or so, ended up such a mess because NO ONE knows better and no one bothers to know more about jobs of other 'experts'........ There is a common practice...."The tasks of a president and top officers are just putting down signature and meet the media", right? 'n' If only the current UK government thought this! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,470 DL September 30, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 8:22 AM, Tom Nolan said: EXCERPTS: ...Green energy is a scam. It has nothing to do with saving the planet... ...Yes, the renewable energy grid will utterly fail to provide the energy needed to power our modern postindustrial society. That's precisely the point. By making energy even more scarce, those with their hands on the energy spigot will have the ultimate control over society, deciding when, where and how to allocate scarce energy supplies to the public. ... ...If you're here reading these words, then perhaps you already know where the green energy myth is taking us. You know about the Great Reset and Agenda 2030 and the push for a global technocracy. You probably even know precisely how they're going to convince the public to go along with this insanity. You know about the "green" propaganda and the "sustainable development" scam, and you know that the climate scam will be the cornerstone for the global carbon tax that will be the backbone of the de facto global government... https://corbettreport.substack.com/p/green-energy-is-a-scam-it-isnt-meant https://www.corbettreport.com/green-energy-is-a-scam-it-isnt-meant-to-work/ "Green" Energy Is a Scam. It Isn't MEANT to Work. The Corbett Report 21 hr ago by James Corbettcorbettreport.com September 24, 2022 Good news, everybody! A new report from the eggheads at Oxford University assures us that switching to renewables will actually save us trillions of dollars! You heard that right. It won't cost us trillions of dollars to build out a completely new global energy grid infrastructure based on technology that is still under development and then to switch the entire global economy onto it. No, don't be silly! It's going to save us trillions of dollars. TRILLIONS, I tell you! Now, I know what some of you skeptical Corbett Reporteers out there are thinking: how can that be? After all, as The Manhattan Contrarian blog points out in a recent post on the "Cost of the Green Energy Transition," the disruption to the European gas supply caused by the Ukraine kerfuffle is already wreaking havoc on Europe's economy, with Germans bracing for a 13% rise in their regulated consumer gas bills this year and UK residents facing a near tripling of their own energy bills. And that's before the Great Resetters start shutting off the pipes for real and forcing the hoi polloi on to the wind/solar/unicorn fart "green" energy grid. But why believe the actual economic pain you're experiencing (heating your own home this winter) when your Oxfordian overlords have big, fat reports (that no one will read) telling you how much money will be saved by switching over to a green energy grid? After all, the BBC and MSN and Nature World News are tripping all over themselves to repeat these findings unquestioningly, so who are you to bring up any of the pesky "facts" that contradict this comforting fairy tale? Oh, OK, I'll drop the act. The latest Oxford study—along with the many similar pronouncements made in recent years that the transition onto the green energy grid will be painless (or even profitable)—is easily debunkable propaganda. But it is pernicious propaganda. It's designed to get the plebes to actively embrace their own enslavement in the name of saving Mother Earth, and—up to this point—it has been remarkably effective in that goal. In truth, the green energy sustainable enslavement grid is a scam from top to bottom. But it is not simply a pie-in-the-sky pipe dream being sold to a gullible and ignorant public. It's worse than that. It is a carefully crafted lie that is designed to lead us into our new role as serfs on the neofeudal plantation in the coming green dystopia. Want to know the details? Let's dig in. The Green Energy Myth I don't know if you've been paying attention these last few decades, but the usual cadre of crimatologists, "activists," sustainable enslavement-pushing banksters and corrupt politicians are desperately trying to sell the public on the idea that windmills, solar panels and unicorn farts are a magical pixie dust capable of transforming the human population from greedy, fat-cat crapitalists raping the planet for fun and profit into peace-loving, Kumbaya communists living in perfect harmony with nature. Believe it or not, they're lying! Take the latest Oxford study I referred to above, for instance. Bearing the title "Empirically grounded technology forecasts and the energy transition," it starts by simply assuming the truth of the fundamental lie that the entire green myth is constructed upon: "Rapidly decarbonizing the global energy system is critical for addressing climate change." This is, of course, not true, as I have demonstrated time and time and time and time and time and time and time again. (And again and again and again and again.) But, after simply stating this bald-faced lie as fact, the Oxfordian boffins then have the gall to urinate on your face and tell you it's raining: "Compared to continuing with a fossil fuel-based system, a rapid green energy transition will likely result in overall net savings of many trillions of dollars—even without accounting for climate damages or co-benefits of climate policy." As always, I encourage you to read the report for yourself to see how they fabricate the so-called "evidence" for this surprising "conclusion"—though I'm sure you can imagine most of their tricks before you even open the link. First, they abuse blatantly bias-prone models to "estimate" (read: make up) future energy system costs, which, they freely admit, "will change with time due to innovation, competition, public policy, concerns about climate change, and other factors." Then, after gazing into their magical crystal ball and seeing whatever they want to see with regard to future costs, they use "probabilistic methods" to "view energy pathways through the lens of placing bets on technologies." I kid you not, this "empirically grounded" and totally "scientific" study tells us, in effect, that if we're betting men we should put all our chips on green . . . "green" energy, that is. Go on, read it for yourself. But here's the rub: these types of "scientific" studies only come off as believable to the most credulous Joe Sixpacks and Jane Soccermoms out there, the type who get their news from CNN and believe everything Al Gore tells them. These pithy platitudes promising perfectly painless energy transitions—even when they are dressed up in the language of empiricism and bear the imprimatur of Oxford University—are not credible in the least to anyone with a technical background in these areas. Indeed, the Oxford study and similar utopian predictions of green energy transitions rely on a stream of untenable assumptions and faulty logic. For example, as Manhattan Contrarian points out in his blog post on "Cost of the Green Energy Transition," the Oxford researchers take the downward price trend of lithium-ion (li-ion) batteries over the past two decades and extrapolate those figures out based on the assumption that they will continue falling indefinitely without limit. As the study even explicitly says, "We know of no empirical evidence supporting floor costs [on green technology deployment] and do not impose them." This is so certifiably insane it's difficult to know where to begin. First, let's interrogate the actual economic argument here, shall we? The researchers tip their hand when they show the current (2020) price of li-ion batteries as being about $100/kWh and "forecast" that it will drop to about $20/kWh by 2050. In actuality, the 2020 price for such batteries is (according to the National Renewable Energy Laboratory) about $350/kWh (see Figure ES-2), and those prices are predicted to drop to about $150/kWh by 2050. If that forecast is accurate, the actual 2050 price for li-ion batteries would still be 50% higher than the "current" price used in the Oxford study model. The discrepancy between these figures, Manhattan Contrarian points out, "appears to lie mainly in elements of a real-world battery installation other than the core battery itself, like a building to house it, devices to convert AC to DC and back, grid connections, 'balance of plant,' and so forth." In other words, the study's authors didn't look in any way at the real-world cost of actually installing, connecting, using and maintaining these batteries; they simply looked at the raw cost of the battery itself and ignored the rest. This methodology becomes even more problematic when you learn that Energy & Environmental Science actually published a study in 2018 estimating the real-world cost of installing and running a lithium-ion battery storage system capable of handling a US energy grid that ran on 80% wind and solar. Their conclusion? It would cost a staggering $2.5 trillion to get such a system up and running! Oddly, the Oxford study doesn't take these costs into account at all. They just tell you that the battery price will fall to $20/kWh and leave it at that. And what of the materials required to construct these lithium-ion batteries and solar panels and windmills and other green energy components? In case you were under the impression that the components for these technologies just magically materialized out of fairy dust in an environmentally-friendly way and then disappeared back into the ether after these installations break down, here's a 72-minute reality check from Simon Michaux, an associate professor of geometallurgy at the Geological Survey of Finland, in which he argues that: The quantity of metal required to make just one generation of renewable tech units to replace fossil fuels, is much larger than first thought. Current mining production of these metals is not even close to meeting demand. Current reported mineral reserves are also not enough in size. Most concerning is copper as one of the flagged shortfalls. Exploration for more at required volumes will be difficult, with this seminar addressing these issues. Perhaps this is why, in point of fact, lithium prices are surging right now, with prices tripling in the last year in places like China, not plummeting as the Oxford study predicts. But the green energy myth goes well beyond the argument from economic impracticality. It isn't just that, in direct contradiction to the hogwash put out by the Oxford researchers and their ilk, such a transition will not save us trillions of dollars but actually cost us trillions of dollars. And it isn't just that—as country after country after country is now finding out—the transition to green energy production is pushing people further into poverty as they struggle to pay their increasing energy bills. It's not even that the green energy transition is provably already putting a strain on power grids that are struggling to keep up with electricity demand. It's that these "green" energy systems are not really green at all. In fact, wide-scale implementation of these renewable power technologies is actively harmful to the environment. Take those lithium-ion batteries we examined earlier. The lithium for these batteries comes from a mining process that is wreaking untold havoc on habitats around the world. In Chile, for example, a full 65% of the water in the region surrounding the Salar de Atacama salt flat is being consumed by lithium miners, who require 500,000 gallons of water for every tonne of lithium produced. And in Tibet, a toxic chemical leak from a lithium mine caused a mass die-off of fish and livestock in a nearby villlage, sparking mass protests. And that's to say nothing about the bevy of toxic materials found in solar panels that leach into the environment and will eventually need to be disposed of. Or the long-known fact that wind turbines "take a toll on birds," contributing to hundreds of thousands of avian deaths every year in the US alone. Or the oft-neglected environmental destruction that will come from clearing the millions of acres of land that will be required to run the solar and wind farms of the Oxfordians increasingly dystopian vision. Are you starting to get the picture? Yes, there is much more that could (and should!) be written about the green energy myth, but let's boil it down to a soundbite for those poor souls suffering from today's short attention span: So-called "green" energy is not about saving the planet. It's about controlling the planet. The Green Energy Reality I realize a certain portion of the population—having been programmed by half a century of over-the-top, anti-human propaganda—will have a single, predictable, knee-jerk reaction to anyone deconstructing the green energy myth: "You must be a Big Oil shill!" It's particularly funny when the accusation is leveled at me, since I literally wrote the documentary on How Big Oil Conquered the World. But even more to the point, I wrote the documentary on Why Big Oil Conquered the World, and those who have seen that documentary will know that the greatest trick the oligarchy ever pulled was convincing the public that all they were concerned with was oil. As those who delve deeply into the subject inevitably discover, the takeover of the world by these well-connected oiligarchs wasn't about oil at all. It was about power. This is precisely why the Rockefellers have divested from oil and why Saudi Arabia is trying to pivot to their robot citizens and Neom nonsense and why BP and Exxon and all the other members of the oiligarchy are setting "net zero" pledges. It's because the green energy system of the future (and thus the global economy that relies on it) will be even more strictly controlled in the future, and those who are bringing this controlled, technocratic slave state of the future into reality are seeking to monopolize and control the resources of the earth. To understand what is really happening here, we have to look past the low-level green energy propaganda that is meant for the fluoride-addled normies to lap up and look to the higher-level propaganda that is intended to bring the New World Order middle management up to speed on the new power paradigm. As usual, there's no better place to turn for precisely that type of propaganda than the pages of Foreign Affairs, the journal of the Council on Foreign Relations. In a recent article on "The Green Upheaval," they plainly admit what the green energy push is really about: "Talk of a smooth transition to clean energy is fanciful: there is no way that the world can avoid major upheavals as it remakes the entire energy system, which is the lifeblood of the global economy and underpins the geopolitical order." No, the green energy transition is not going to be a happy clappy cakewalk into a fantasy future, as the activists promise. And that particular rainbow will not lead to a multi-trillion-dollar pot of gold, as the Oxfordians promise. What it will do is radically upend the lives and livelihoods of every person on the planet by taking away the one thing that has done more than anything else in all of human history to empower the population to proclaim their independence from the oligarchs: access to cheap energy. Yes, the renewable energy grid will utterly fail to provide the energy needed to power our modern postindustrial society. That's precisely the point. By making energy even more scarce, those with their hands on the energy spigot will have the ultimate control over society, deciding when, where and how to allocate scarce energy supplies to the public. Europeans who are wondering how they will be able to afford to heat their homes and businesses this winter are just starting to understand what this new "green" economy will really look like for those on the lower rungs of the economic ladder. It is not difficult to discern the contours of the world that these energy transition advocates are driving us towards. It is a world in which all of the things we take for granted—the ability to travel freely, to buy and sell independently, to heat our own homes and even to turn on a lightbulb—will be privileges carefully rationed by our neofeudal overlords. Think you'll be able to control the thermostat in your own home once the new economic overlords have their "smart" "green" energy grid in place? Think again. Think you'll be able to eat as you normally do once the green mafia is in power? Think again. Think you'll be able to use your hard-earned digital energy credits to buy whatever you like or travel wherever you want in the technocratic tyranny of the future? Think again. Welcome to the Green Leap Forward, where you will own nothing, live in a hovel, face the possibility of freezing to death every winter and struggle to make ends meet . . . but you'll be happy! After all, you'll be allowed to eat ze bugs and use the energy ration that the global government doles out for you each day. And if that's not enough, then you can keep warm by vigorously patting yourself on the back for helping protect humanity from the wrath of the weather gods. You're saving the earth! Where We Go From Here If you're here reading these words, then perhaps you already know where the green energy myth is taking us. You know about the Great Reset and Agenda 2030 and the push for a global technocracy. You probably even know precisely how they're going to convince the public to go along with this insanity. You know about the "green" propaganda and the "sustainable development" scam, and you know that the climate scam will be the cornerstone for the global carbon tax that will be the backbone of the de facto global government. Perhaps you take hope from the resistance to this green enslavement agenda that is appearing around the world. Perhaps you take comfort seeing the Dutch farmers and the Sri Lankan farmers and the Argentinian farmers and the Irish farmers and their farmer friends around the globe rising up. Perhaps you take heart knowing that, with so many livelihoods throughout the world being threatened by this sick, anti-human agenda, the agenda will be derailed. And perhaps you take pity on the slumbering masses who are finally starting to rise in protest on the streets of Prague and Leipzig and London. The slumbering masses are awakening! I, too, think that these movements are, overall, a positive development . . . . . . but by themselves they are not enough. What are the farmers protesting for, after all? The right to dump glyphosate and other toxic chemicals on their GMO crops? And what are energy price protesters hoping to accomplish, exactly? Are they merely demanding that the government step in with more subsidies and price controls to ease the economic burden of the oh-so-necessary green energy transition? No, unless and until we start confronting this myth at its roots, we will continue to plunge headlong into the dystopic nightmare of the Great Resetters and their ilk. Yes, we do need an alternative energy system to power the economy of free humanity. We do need to abandon the system that chains our economic livelihood to the whims of the oil cartel and puts us at the mercy of the government-sanctioned energy cartel. We do need a decentralized system that takes advantage of every technological development for creating and storing our own power, so we can truly get off the grid. But that is not what is being sold to us in the name of the green energy hoax. The pushers of the Agenda 2030 nightmare do not want us to be independent and free; they want us to be even more tightly controlled and surveilled than before. Green energy is a scam. It has nothing to do with saving the planet. It has everything to do with artificially limiting our access to power and thus making the population more dependent than ever on the oligarchs and their systems of control. We must reject this racket and all of the pseudoscientific nonsense that is being used to push it on the public. Spread the word. That's how you can really save the planet. Unfortunately, we live in a generation where many believe that science is not science, but rather a sophisticated form of political propaganda. The poor benighted denizens of our day no longer have any faith in objective scientific research, but rather have accepted the cynical view that "science" has no reality, but is just a game to be enjoined in the propaganda war advancing political goals. The saddest result of this cultural shift of scientific disillusion is that many scientists have accepted the flow of the times and agreed to float along and accept the societal beliefs that support their own institutions and occupations. They become hired guns, not genuine researchers. We are living in a world of moral decay. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,323 RG October 1, 2022 The world is just full of the non woke. Ya can’t google and make sense of it. It’s ok, that’s how religion got started. These other groups are start up off shoots of made up wannabe in charge let me make the rules dreamers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,323 RG October 1, 2022 On 9/29/2022 at 9:43 AM, footeab@yahoo.com said: No, Texas has a lot of wind energy generated(I won't call it power as any intermittent source does not generate Power, but can create energy) because #1 they have the natural gas and natural gas storage co located to make up for when the wind DOES NOT BLOW allowing #2 the geographical region with fairly consistent winds to have wind turbines built. EDIT: Remember, without quick firing, power demand curve following NG, Wind turbines are nearly impossible to install. Yea yea, you could follow the curve with diesel generators.... 🙄 Solar with batteries have very little history of intermittency unless it’s a tornado or hurricane. In the Gulf gas and oil have been taken out for months. ( nobody remembers that). It’s just recently that reality went from someday solar will be feasible to, at a large scale it’s the cheapest thing going for the summer. Wind pays for itself but can’t overcome large periods of intermittency. It’s still better on the average if you can’t afford $9 gas. Sorry boys, your crying like women will not stop renewables. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Nolan + 2,443 TN October 1, 2022 21 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Unfortunately, we live in a generation where many believe that science is not science, but rather a sophisticated form of political propaganda. The poor benighted denizens of our day no longer have any faith in objective scientific research, but rather have accepted the cynical view that "science" has no reality, but is just a game to be enjoined in the propaganda war advancing political goals. The saddest result of this cultural shift of scientific disillusion is that many scientists have accepted the flow of the times and agreed to float along and accept the societal beliefs that support their own institutions and occupations. They become hired guns, not genuine researchers. We are living in a world of moral decay. The entire scientific publishing process has been compromised by powerful influences which suppress many studies or "attempts to scientifically study' a topic. This is well known...the censorship and control and 'owners of journals' along with the falsification of data. But it will mostly not be reported by the MainStream Media. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeroen Goudswaard + 61 October 3, 2022 On 9/29/2022 at 4:43 PM, footeab@yahoo.com said: No, Texas has a lot of wind energy generated(I won't call it power as any intermittent source does not generate Power, but can create energy) because #1 they have the natural gas and natural gas storage co located to make up for when the wind DOES NOT BLOW allowing #2 the geographical region with fairly consistent winds to have wind turbines built. EDIT: Remember, without quick firing, power demand curve following NG, Wind turbines are nearly impossible to install. Yea yea, you could follow the curve with diesel generators.... 🙄 Norway solved that problem in a renewable sense many years ago. Use your excess wind power for pumped hydro. It's a cheap battery. Even a country the size of the USA could build that infrastructure easily, using either solar or wind as the power for these pumps. There is no need-per-se for quick firing gas plants. At the moment they are cheaper, but in the long run, a bad investment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Jeroen Goudswaard said: Norway solved that problem in a renewable sense many years ago. Use your excess wind power for pumped hydro. It's a cheap battery. Even a country the size of the USA could build that infrastructure easily, using either solar or wind as the power for these pumps. There is no need-per-se for quick firing gas plants. At the moment they are cheaper, but in the long run, a bad investment. 🤣🙄 The Eastern USA power grid, without transportation being electrified or heating being electrified, requires a volume of water equal to Lake Erie to be dropped to sea level every day at a 90% efficiency ratio. ~500 cubic kilometers of water, dropped ~200m Open a topographic map, you would literally have to dam up every valley in the Appalachian hills + a few areas which are actually mountains to even come close to this volume of water as backup for a few days. A few of these valley's are already damned up for pumped hydro storage actually. I believe the largest pumped hydro storage facility in the world is still in Virginia at 3+GW. This is beyond useless as a true backup to wind/solar in reality. Same goes for Europe. I did Europe's calculation a year ago and if they dammed up the Baltic sea 100m dropping it 50m with 90% conversion factor(I know, will NEVER happen), but this would provide roughly 2months of "battery" backup when the wind does not blow, sun does not shine in the winter in January/February. PS: Norway has a tiny amount of pumped hydro currently but could have MASSIVE amounts more. Norway also has great topography for pumped hydro storage... but then so does every valley in the ALPS... Currently ~1.5GW With the addition of much larger dams and larger HVDC lines to UK/Denmark etc they could do a lot more. As it is, they do not have that much pumped storage capacity. Yes, I agree, pumped hydro is the CHEAPEST battery solution around. Doubling the size of their generators on existing dams would be the best way to go about it to begin with. Face it, If one really does remove oil/ng/coal, Nuclear is the only real option + some things on the borders. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeroen Goudswaard + 61 October 3, 2022 You and I are talking different things. The pumped hydro I meant is to stabilize a power grid (and temporarily absorb excess power generation). Yours is to store energy to go through winter. That just is not feasible: you are right there. But it is also not necessary. On the scale of the USA, there is always sun or wind somewhere. It's just that occasionally, the grid of HVDC lines might not be able to keep up with demand. So you only locally need to have small (and many) pumped hydro stations where there are mountains (western USA, Appalachians), and a different storage mechanism where you don't. That could be hydrogen or molten salt or so. Of course there is space for nuclear, but given the cost of it, it will be a niche solution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM October 3, 2022 36 minutes ago, Jeroen Goudswaard said: You and I are talking different things. The pumped hydro I meant is to stabilize a power grid (and temporarily absorb excess power generation). Yours is to store energy to go through winter. That just is not feasible: you are right there. But it is also not necessary. On the scale of the USA, there is always sun or wind somewhere. It's just that occasionally, the grid of HVDC lines might not be able to keep up with demand. So you only locally need to have small (and many) pumped hydro stations where there are mountains (western USA, Appalachians), and a different storage mechanism where you don't. That could be hydrogen or molten salt or so. Of course there is space for nuclear, but given the cost of it, it will be a niche solution. So you only locally need to have small (and many) pumped hydro stations where there are mountains (western USA, Appalachians)????? you do not need mountains....One of the biggest pumped storage operations is on the shore of Lake Michigan in the state of Michigan. This oppurtunity presents it self in multiple sites on the Great Lakes. In addation you could build pumped storage on the bluffs overlooking the upper Mississippi river in Iowa, as their is plenty of water in the Mississippi to use as a lower source of water and atop the bluffs a live storage basin can be created. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,470 DL October 3, 2022 On 10/1/2022 at 12:12 PM, Tom Nolan said: The entire scientific publishing process has been compromised by powerful influences which suppress many studies or "attempts to scientifically study' a topic. This is well known...the censorship and control and 'owners of journals' along with the falsification of data. But it will mostly not be reported by the MainStream Media. Sad but true. The political hacks have invaded the scientific community, rendering it a hollowed shell of true science. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites