E-car Sales Collapse

[Jay McKinsey + 1,489]

2 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Which you showed us is unreliable as a supplier of energy for industry, due to overreliance on wind and solar.

Thank you for the demonstration.

You are just showing us your desperation as you continue to lose.

[turbguy + 1,419]

3 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Looks like fossil fuel demand is ramping up...thanks for the data.

I wish to sincerely thank you for acknowledging NG is NOT "free".

BTW, that data is conveniently available on this very site! 

You should check it out.

Edited June 26, 2023 by turbguy

[Jay McKinsey + 1,489]

5 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

You cannot be a real economist without studying econometrics, old boy.

You missed the recent reports showing that new investment is flowing into diesel, in response to demand pressures.

That shows a market on the way up. You want to skip over the last 12 months? That shows your lack of inderstanding of how the markets function, they change month to month.

A market on the way up????????????????????????????

The diesel market is now 40% lower than a year ago:

You are really showing your desperation!

 

[Ecocharger + 1,384]

1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

A market on the way up????????????????????????????

The diesel market is now 40% lower than a year ago:

You are really showing your desperation!

 

You studied economics? But not econometrics? Not possible.

Anyway, you are playing cherry-picking with the business cycle and the oil cycle.

The markets for oil coming off a multi-year high twelve months ago. Possible recession looming.

So what? So nothing. Give us some real analysis. You really are desperate to cherry-pick volatile markets. Some joke.

Edited June 26, 2023 by Ecocharger

[Jay McKinsey + 1,489]

Yes I am cherry picking all that is happening today! 

What an imbecile you are!

The business cycle is fine in the West and the demand for oil is just average. But the demand for coal is very weak. Oil is next and then natural gas.

[Boat + 1,315]

On 6/24/2023 at 5:30 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

Yes, Xi's great goal is to turn China into a self sufficient economy. They aren't even close and have no chance of getting there between demographics and their utterly corrupt and screwed up domestic economy.

For example their domestic economy depends very much on the value of housing for living and investing. This created a huge savings rate but for a self sufficient consumer economy they need to decrease the savings rate and increase the consumption rate. These are mutually exclusive and contradictory goals.

When you chase foreign business out you create large holes in all parts of your economy. Chinas economy may never come back as foreign companies continue to leave. 

[Boat + 1,315]

for around 60+ years average oil demand went up 1.5 mbpy. Since the peak in 2019 oil demand has been stagnet. Oil is a huge important market but let’s face it. The glory days of continued growth are over. Welcome to the long slow slide. 

[Ecocharger + 1,384]

5 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Yes I am cherry picking all that is happening today! 

What an imbecile you are!

The business cycle is fine in the West and the demand for oil is just average. But the demand for coal is very weak. Oil is next and then natural gas.

You live on a different planet, Jay.

Coal is at an all-time high and is increasing product to meet record demand.

I guess if you believe in something long enough you can accept any trash from the Green factory.

 

[Ecocharger + 1,384]

38 minutes ago, Boat said:

for around 60+ years average oil demand went up 1.5 mbpy. Since the peak in 2019 oil demand has been stagnet. Oil is a huge important market but let’s face it. The glory days of continued growth are over. Welcome to the long slow slide. 

87% of new personal vehicles sold in Europe are fossil fuel vehicles, and that translates into huge numbers of new fossil fuel vehicles.....and, yes, they need oil products such as gasoline and diesel.

[Rob Plant + 2,652]

Anyway back to topic

Direct Lithium Extraction Is The EV Industry’s Shale Boom

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Direct-Lithium-Extraction-Is-The-EV-Industrys-Shale-Boom.html

[specinho + 440]

On 6/25/2023 at 6:54 AM, Jay McKinsey said:

If so then note that those are diehard conservative red staters that are wasting that public money.

Had this discussion on linkedin when the post was on debt ceiling and the trailing talks were on debts and spending. For your light alternative view:

Quote:"

If we regroup roughly how did those debts accummulate, we could probably get:

1. Trades

 - there is a grace period of several weeks to two three months or so to pay... But then, we forgot to pay... 😯 Not once, but again and again.

We expect the accountant to do the job, right? The accountant expects his runner to do it, right? The runner expects his dog to run it, right?

Has the money gone to the right account at the end or, delivered to the dog of the runner? 😧

 

2. Development spending and loans

- we have to build infrastructure, etc, right? Even though the government has the money, loans actually deemed more worthy.

Firstly, it's money of someone elses. They fork out huge chunk, but we only need to pay them bit by bit, right? The key is..... Even if we do not pay, the loans can be written off, somehow, by chance, like developing countries, right? '-'

 

Consequently, we have those cash in fed collecting interest and for other misusages, right? 

 

In a nutshell, it is an all win, no loss condition for us indebted, right? Subsequently, we believe the more the merrier, right? 'o' '-'

 

Oh Oo...... If Biden continues to rule, the dogs of unknown owners are going to be really rich.... '-'

"

 

Edited June 27, 2023 by specinho

[Ecocharger + 1,384]

17 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

You are just showing us your desperation as you continue to lose.

Man, you have already lost.

Here is the EV truck business, pathetic,

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Electric-Truck-Maker-Lordstown-Motors-Files-For-Bankruptcy.html

"Troubled U.S. electric truck manufacturer Lordstown Motors filed for bankruptcy on Tuesday and simultaneously sued Taiwan-based Foxconn for fraud and failure to follow through on its commitment to invest $170 million in the company.  "

Edited June 27, 2023 by Ecocharger

[Ecocharger + 1,384]

6 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Anyway back to topic

Direct Lithium Extraction Is The EV Industry’s Shale Boom

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Direct-Lithium-Extraction-Is-The-EV-Industrys-Shale-Boom.html

Rob, for someone concerned about industrial pollution, this should scare you. Lithium is dirty and dangerous mining for human health.

[Rob Plant + 2,652]

14 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Rob, for someone concerned about industrial pollution, this should scare you. Lithium is dirty and dangerous mining for human health.

Eco its nowhere near as bad as coal mate

Its not the pollution of lithium mining that is scary but the volumes of water required.

I have read a few threads on here where rivers are running dry or very close to it which is affecting hydropwer in places such as California without lithium being mined on mass scale, so that would be my main concern, is there actually enough water to sustain the ecosystem and produce lithium???

Mining of pretty much anything isnt great for the environment, unfortunately we need lots on REE as well as FF currently.

[Jay McKinsey + 1,489]

3 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Eco its nowhere near as bad as coal mate

Its not the pollution of lithium mining that is scary but the volumes of water required.

I have read a few threads on here where rivers are running dry or very close to it which is affecting hydropwer in places such as California without lithium being mined on mass scale, so that would be my main concern, is there actually enough water to sustain the ecosystem and produce lithium???

Mining of pretty much anything isnt great for the environment, unfortunately we need lots on REE as well as FF currently.

Our lithium mining will require no fresh water. The lithium brine comes to the surface from geothermal wells. This mining causes no harm to the environment and is 100% green. Some of the proceeds will go toward fixing the ecological disaster that is the Salton Sea.

[Jay McKinsey + 1,489]

3 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Man, you have already lost.

Here is the EV truck business, pathetic,

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Electric-Truck-Maker-Lordstown-Motors-Files-For-Bankruptcy.html

"Troubled U.S. electric truck manufacturer Lordstown Motors filed for bankruptcy on Tuesday and simultaneously sued Taiwan-based Foxconn for fraud and failure to follow through on its commitment to invest $170 million in the company.  "

EV truck sales just keep going up.

Ford on track to produce 150,000 F-150 Lightnings, lowering customer wait times. Ford Motor Co. is on track to reach its 150,000-unit production goal on the electric F-150 Lightning this year and giving the largest production increase to the XLT trim customers have been waiting for, the Dearborn automaker said Thursday ...Jun 8, 2023

 

Ford to increase F-150 Lightning production, lower customer ...

Check out the new Chevy Silverado EV

[Ecocharger + 1,384]

10 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Eco its nowhere near as bad as coal mate

Its not the pollution of lithium mining that is scary but the volumes of water required.

I have read a few threads on here where rivers are running dry or very close to it which is affecting hydropwer in places such as California without lithium being mined on mass scale, so that would be my main concern, is there actually enough water to sustain the ecosystem and produce lithium???

Mining of pretty much anything isnt great for the environment, unfortunately we need lots on REE as well as FF currently.

Lithium is toxic for human life.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK499992/#:~:text=Lithium toxicity signs are obvious,-threatening condition.

"Lithium toxicity signs are obvious and can be identified and managed easily; however, ignoring it can be fatal. Indeed, in some cases, lithium toxicity can lead to coma, brain damage, or even death. Moreover, lithium can induce serotonin syndrome, a potentially fatal and life-threatening condition. The use of serotonergic drugs or drugs inhibiting serotonin metabolism concomitantly with lithium will increase the risk of lithium precipitating serotonin syndrome."

Edited June 28, 2023 by Ecocharger

[Ecocharger + 1,384]

7 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

EV truck sales just keep going up.

Ford on track to produce 150,000 F-150 Lightnings, lowering customer wait times. Ford Motor Co. is on track to reach its 150,000-unit production goal on the electric F-150 Lightning this year and giving the largest production increase to the XLT trim customers have been waiting for, the Dearborn automaker said Thursday ...Jun 8, 2023

 

Ford to increase F-150 Lightning production, lower customer ...

Check out the new Chevy Silverado EV

Then there is this,

"Troubled U.S. electric truck manufacturer Lordstown Motors filed for bankruptcy on Tuesday and simultaneously sued Taiwan-based Foxconn for fraud and failure to follow through on its commitment to invest $170 million in the company.  "

[footeab@yahoo.com + 2,139]

On 6/26/2023 at 7:07 AM, turbguy said:

Ahhh, FREE??

 

Ah, yes, you wish to be a technical imbecile I see.  Great... lovely. 

NG : Oil or : Coal ratio is what matters.

Yes, Texas NG is in effect FREE.  Same is true for Iran, Qatar, Russia, etc.  Essentially all you are paying for is a delivery fee. 

[Boat + 1,315]

17 hours ago, specinho said:

Had this discussion on linkedin when the post was on debt ceiling and the trailing talks were on debts and spending. For your light alternative view:

Quote:"

If we regroup roughly how did those debts accummulate, we could probably get:

1. Trades

 - there is a grace period of several weeks to two three months or so to pay... But then, we forgot to pay... 😯 Not once, but again and again.

We expect the accountant to do the job, right? The accountant expects his runner to do it, right? The runner expects his dog to run it, right?

Has the money gone to the right account at the end or, delivered to the dog of the runner? 😧

 

2. Development spending and loans

- we have to build infrastructure, etc, right? Even though the government has the money, loans actually deemed more worthy.

Firstly, it's money of someone elses. They fork out huge chunk, but we only need to pay them bit by bit, right? The key is..... Even if we do not pay, the loans can be written off, somehow, by chance, like developing countries, right? '-'

 

Consequently, we have those cash in fed collecting interest and for other misusages, right? 

 

In a nutshell, it is an all win, no loss condition for us indebted, right? Subsequently, we believe the more the merrier, right? 'o' '-'

 

Oh Oo...... If Biden continues to rule, the dogs of unknown owners are going to be really rich.... '-'

"

 

Didn’t debt out the wazoo start in 1980? That was Ronald Reagan running up the military. George Bush Sr wanted to raise taxes because he hated debt and the Republican has spent money ever since. They were no longer the conservatives. It was the beginning of Anti American let’s do a Coup, MAGA let’s call it a win, Fox News, Murdoch\pillowhead/Sidney/Rudy gang. 

[Boat + 1,315]

23 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

87% of new personal vehicles sold in Europe are fossil fuel vehicles, and that translates into huge numbers of new fossil fuel vehicles.....and, yes, they need oil products such as gasoline and diesel.

Of course they need oil. Your middle name will never be confused with data compression. 

[Jay McKinsey + 1,489]

3 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Then there is this,

"Troubled U.S. electric truck manufacturer Lordstown Motors filed for bankruptcy on Tuesday and simultaneously sued Taiwan-based Foxconn for fraud and failure to follow through on its commitment to invest $170 million in the company.  "

You mean Lordstown who has never delivered a car of any kind. No one cares. But get ready for Foxconn to start delivering EVs from that great big factory. 

Edited June 28, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

[TailingsPond + 501]

2 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Ah, yes, you wish to be a technical imbecile I see.  Great... lovely. 

NG : Oil or : Coal ratio is what matters.

Yes, Texas NG is in effect FREE.  Same is true for Iran, Qatar, Russia, etc.  Essentially all you are paying for is a delivery fee. 

You pay for delivery fees on top of the gas price. Nothing is free - except maybe wind and sunshine (but not electrical transmission).

Edited June 28, 2023 by TailingsPond

[Rob Plant + 2,652]

2 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

You pay for delivery fees on top of the gas price. Nothing is free - except maybe wind and sunshine (but not electrical transmission).

He's too stupid to realise that.

[TailingsPond + 501]

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