turbguy + 1,540 June 28, 2023 11 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Ah, yes, you wish to be a technical imbecile I see. Great... lovely. NG : Oil or : Coal ratio is what matters. Yes, Texas NG is in effect FREE. Same is true for Iran, Qatar, Russia, etc. Essentially all you are paying for is a delivery fee. I think that somebody has to pay to make a very special hole in the ground and some capturing and cleaning equipment for those earth-farts, no? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,540 June 28, 2023 11 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Ah, yes, you wish to be a technical imbecile I see. Great... lovely. NG : Oil or : Coal ratio is what matters. Yes, Texas NG is in effect FREE. Same is true for Iran, Qatar, Russia, etc. Essentially all you are paying for is a delivery fee. I think that somebody has to pay to make a very special hole in the ground and some capturing and cleaning equipment for those earth-farts, no? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL June 28, 2023 20 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said: You mean Lordstown who has never delivered a car of any kind. No one cares. But get ready for Foxconn to start delivering EVs from that great big factory. Everyone was getting ready for Lordstown. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL June 28, 2023 Just now, TailingsPond said: ICE to EV conversion kits on sale now! https://www.thedrive.com/news/holley-now-sells-bolt-on-kit-to-tesla-swap-vintage-chevy-c10-pickups?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=facebook Why would anyone be interested in those? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 June 28, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Everyone was getting ready for Lordstown. So what???? Maybe Lordstown will win their law suit. Lordstown produced zero cars. Foxconn though is about to start producing hundreds of thousands of EVs. Edited June 28, 2023 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 June 28, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Why would anyone be interested in those? Apparently a lot of people are. Business is booming. GlobeNewswire Hybrid EV Conversion Kit Market to grow at a CAGR of 16.5 percent reaching USD 1425.48 Mn by 2029 Hybrid EV Conversion Kit Market is segmented based on Vehicle Class and Application. Bottom-up approach was used to estimate the Hybrid EV... . Apr 19, 2023 Edited June 28, 2023 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL June 28, 2023 Just now, Jay McKinsey said: So what???? Maybe Lordstown will win their law suit. Lordstown produced zero cars. Foxconn though is about to start producing hundreds of thousands of EVs. Foxconn has produced how many cars??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL June 28, 2023 Just now, Jay McKinsey said: Apparently a lot of people are. Business is booming. GlobeNewswire Hybrid EV Conversion Kit Market to grow at a CAGR of 16.5 percent reaching USD 1425.48 Mn by 2029 Hybrid EV Conversion Kit Market is segmented based on Vehicle Class and Application. Bottom-up approach was used to estimate the Hybrid EV... . Apr 19, 2023 Hybrids are fossil fuel vehicles, which is good for the oil industry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 June 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: Foxconn has produced how many cars??? None but they own the factories that Lordstown was wanting to use. Foxconn's ambitions are aggressive. Initially targeting 5% of the global EV market and the equivalent of $33 billion in revenue from manufacturing EVs and components by 2025, Foxconn's longer-term goal is to make nearly half the world's EVs.https://www.reuters.com/technology/foxconn-races-become-an-ev-player-clock-is-ticking-2023-03-06/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 June 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: Hybrids are fossil fuel vehicles, which is good for the oil industry. Not really because they use half as much oil. Very basic economics. You just keep losing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL June 28, 2023 Just now, Jay McKinsey said: None but they own the factories that Lordstown was wanting to use. Foxconn's ambitions are aggressive. Initially targeting 5% of the global EV market and the equivalent of $33 billion in revenue from manufacturing EVs and components by 2025, Foxconn's longer-term goal is to make nearly half the world's EVs.https://www.reuters.com/technology/foxconn-races-become-an-ev-player-clock-is-ticking-2023-03-06/ And they have produced precisely ZERO. Case closed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL June 28, 2023 Just now, Jay McKinsey said: Not really because they use half as much oil. Very basic economics. You just keep losing. Hybrids rely on gasoline. Good for oil producers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE June 28, 2023 21 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Lithium is toxic for human life. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK499992/#:~:text=Lithium toxicity signs are obvious,-threatening condition. "Lithium toxicity signs are obvious and can be identified and managed easily; however, ignoring it can be fatal. Indeed, in some cases, lithium toxicity can lead to coma, brain damage, or even death. Moreover, lithium can induce serotonin syndrome, a potentially fatal and life-threatening condition. The use of serotonergic drugs or drugs inhibiting serotonin metabolism concomitantly with lithium will increase the risk of lithium precipitating serotonin syndrome." You are quoting a paper about people who take lithium on purpose long-term. Environmental exposure will never get close to that dose as the miners want the lithium. Do you think gold mines increase the gold level in rivers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL June 28, 2023 (edited) Just now, TailingsPond said: You are quoting a paper about people who take lithium on purpose long-term. Environmental exposure will never get close to that dose as the miners want the lithium. Do you think gold mines increase the gold level in rivers? Okay, let's start here, https://borrumenergysolutions.ca/blogs/blog/the-social-and-environmental-impacts-of-lithium-mining#:~:text=The process of extracting lithium,to long-term ecological damage. "Â The process of extracting lithium consumes significant amounts of water and energy, and lithium mining can pollute the air and water with chemicals and heavy metals. In addition, mining lithium can disrupt wildlife habitats and cause soil erosion, leading to long-term ecological damage. " Edited June 28, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 June 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Ecocharger said: Hybrids rely on gasoline. Good for oil producers. Hybrids are garbage currently with 2 exceptions... Those that have been on the market for ~10 years. Both made by Toyota... Prius/Corolla that already started with the most reliable ICE platform. If someone made electric drive, Diesel or gas, generator onboard, then and ONLY then do hybrids truly have an advantage for true fuel efficiency. Otherwise they are just expensive unreliable prone to breaking JUNK. All they do is INCREASE complexity making things much more expensive. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL June 28, 2023 (edited) Just now, footeab@yahoo.com said: Hybrids are garbage currently with 2 exceptions... Those that have been on the market for ~10 years. Both made by Toyota... Prius/Corolla that already started with the most reliable ICE platform. If someone made electric drive, Diesel or gas, generator onboard, then and ONLY then do hybrids truly have an advantage for true fuel efficiency. Otherwise they are just expensive unreliable prone to breaking JUNK. All they do is INCREASE complexity making things much more expensive. They are hot-selling vehicles in Europe. For those buyers who are reluctant to embrace the EVs (which are a nuisance to operate). Edited June 28, 2023 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL June 28, 2023 (edited) Just now, TailingsPond said: You are quoting a paper about people who take lithium on purpose long-term. Environmental exposure will never get close to that dose as the miners want the lithium. Do you think gold mines increase the gold level in rivers? Some more material for your enjoyment and education. https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/02/01/south-america-s-lithium-fields-reveal-the-dark-side-of-our-electric-future#:~:text=Lithium can be described as,soil and causes air contamination. "According to a report by Friends of the Earth (FoE), lithium extraction inevitably harms the soil and causes air contamination. " Edited June 28, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE June 29, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Some more material for your enjoyment and education. https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/02/01/south-america-s-lithium-fields-reveal-the-dark-side-of-our-electric-future#:~:text=Lithium can be described as,soil and causes air contamination. "According to a report by Friends of the Earth (FoE), lithium extraction inevitably harms the soil and causes air contamination. " That is still not a lithium poisoning risk as you posted - it is mining waste. You support mining waste (coal, oil) so STFU about pollution. Edited June 29, 2023 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE June 29, 2023 31 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: For those buyers who are reluctant to embrace the EVs (which are a nuisance to operate). How much user experience with EV's do you have? Please don't post a review of something you have never tried. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: And they have produced precisely ZERO. Case closed. Which is the same as Lordstown so your case is closed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL June 29, 2023 (edited) Just now, TailingsPond said: That is still not a lithium poisoning risk as you posted - it is mining waste. You support mining waste (coal, oil) so STFU about pollution. This is worse, more devastating. When water is contaminated, you drink it. https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2023/01/18/the-paradox-of-lithium/  "producing a battery weighing 1,100 pounds emits over 70% more carbon dioxide than producing a conventional car in Germany, according to research by the automotive consultancy Berylls Strategy Advisors. Furthermore, lithium mining requires a lot of water. To extract one ton of lithium requires about 500,000 liters of water, and can result in the poisoning of reservoirs and related health problems." Batteries have a larger carbon footprint than fossil fuel cars. https://www.industryweek.com/technology-and-iiot/article/22026518/lithium-batteries-dirty-secret-manufacturing-them-leaves-massive-carbon-footprint  "...the average German car owner could drive a gas-guzzling vehicle for three and a half years, or more than 50,000 kilometers, before a Nissan Leaf with a 30 kWh battery would beat it on carbon-dioxide emissions in a coal-heavy country, Berylls estimates show. And that's one of the smallest batteries on the market: BMW's i3 has a 42 kWh battery, Mercedes's upcoming EQC crossover will have a 80 kWh battery, and Audi's e-tron will come in at 95 kWh." Edited June 29, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL June 29, 2023 Just now, TailingsPond said: How much user experience with EV's do you have? Please don't post a review of something you have never tried. I have never tried them because they are a nuisance to operate. You put the cart before the horse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL June 29, 2023 Just now, Jay McKinsey said: Which is the same as Lordstown so your case is closed. Which means that ZERO + ZERO = ZERO Oh, sorry, Jay, you skipped econometrics. I will try to avoid numbers in future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 467 June 29, 2023 (edited) On 6/28/2023 at 10:38 AM, Boat said: Didn’t debt out the wazoo start in 1980? That was Ronald Reagan running up the military. George Bush Sr wanted to raise taxes because he hated debt and the Republican has spent money ever since. They were no longer the conservatives. It was the beginning of Anti American let’s do a Coup, MAGA let’s call it a win, Fox News, Murdoch\pillowhead/Sidney/Rudy gang. It might have started earlier, if not mistaken, during early 40s or late 30s..... Where budget deficit has been taught to be a must for economy to grow, or some sort... Besides the war... And the aftermath. The logic of " hating debts, so had to raise taxes" is as good as having a triangular tyres to a truck... Hating debts? Spend less!? 'o' -~- Conservatives cover many areas not just traditional budgeting. When they never sweat nor need to work to have food served on their tables, how do you think they know how money is earned or generated? How do they know how market is operating while they never need to buy essential things themselves? And they often have someone elses run their errants, troubles including solving affairs or kids outside of wedlocks. How do you expect them to solve your/ public problem or problems of the country when they are in charged? 'o' '-' Common sense is developed in the living of daily life. Not from reading books/ reports, hearing stories/ opinion, being rich or spending like after having laxative. In addition, spending habit is contagious within groups. One needs to spend more or spend like others in a group to belong... The opposition that wins would guarantee to behave much worse. They have to spend much much more than the previous government to win friends and votes, right? No money, no friend. Spend like having diarrhea, many would want to befriend you to get or use your money, yes? Democrates have many friends...... The fantastic story does not end there. They copy each other moves. And the happiest winners are dogs and runners..... of the unknown... With miserable government accounts to be tidied up... 'o' 'n' Edited June 29, 2023 by specinho Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE June 29, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, Ecocharger said:  "...the average German car owner could drive a gas-guzzling vehicle for three and a half years, or more than 50,000 kilometers, before a Nissan Leaf with a 30 kWh battery would beat it on carbon-dioxide emissions in a coal-heavy country, Berylls estimates show.  That is mostly talking about carbon dioxide which you claim is not pollution. EVs make more "plant food" and are therefore better by your logic haha. Secondly, the oil industry uses huge amounts of water and pollutes the air so do not complain about that. Lastly, cars last much longer than 50,000 Km Edited June 29, 2023 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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