E-car Sales Collapse

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On 7/2/2023 at 2:19 PM, notsonice said:

looking at the numbers and you are babbling BS as usual 

2017 was the peak in ICE vehicles .......and since then it is all downhill for ICE vehicles

Look at the chart (numbers) do you need help again??????

 

Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027. Right?

Edited July 6, 2023 by Ecocharger

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22 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027.

Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027.

2027??????

back to reality

The peak for ICE vehicles was 98 million    when you might ask.....2017

what happened since 2017

 

2022 ICE vehicle sale were 73 million vehicles and 2023...... heading lower and lower to  less than 71 million vehicles

 

and the future

2024...... oh my less than 68 Million vehicles and

2025 off a cliff ....60 million vehicles

damn pesky EVs

2017 was the peak for ICE vehicles...and the future.....enjoy the chart below .....looks like 2027 ICE vehicles will be less than 50 percent of the peak sales year 2017 (98 million) and those pesky EVs.....50 percent of new car sales

oh oh my ....Peak oil ....it already happened......still waiting for your dead cat bounce.....2022 must have been so disappointing for you...... both oil and coal did not achieve new highs.........

Pesky EVs and renewables

 

you should print out the chart ....tape it to your fridge......enjoy it everyday

Edited July 5, 2023 by notsonice

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11 hours ago, notsonice said:

Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027.

2027??????

back to reality

The peak for ICE vehicles was 98 million    when you might ask.....2017

what happened since 2017

 

2022 ICE vehicle sale were 73 million vehicles and 2023...... heading lower and lower to  less than 71 million vehicles

 

and the future

2024...... oh my less than 68 Million vehicles and

2025 off a cliff ....60 million vehicles

damn pesky EVs

2017 was the peak for ICE vehicles...and the future.....enjoy the chart below .....looks like 2027 ICE vehicles will be less than 50 percent of the peak sales year 2017 (98 million) and those pesky EVs.....50 percent of new car sales

oh oh my ....Peak oil ....it already happened......still waiting for your dead cat bounce.....2022 must have been so disappointing for you...... both oil and coal did not achieve new highs.........

Pesky EVs and renewables

 

you should print out the chart ....tape it to your fridge......enjoy it everyday

Okay, so you think that we are living in 2027? Whatever.

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11 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027.

You are the one that said it and now you are so slimy that you are attributing it to him.

Edited July 6, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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26 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Okay, so you think that we are living in 2027? Whatever.

Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027........

those are your comments

when/if  you sober up , please take a look at your own comments......

you posted ...........Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027.

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

You are the one that said it and now you are so slimy that you are attributing it to him.

Okay, so you think that we are living in 2027, Jay?

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9 hours ago, notsonice said:

Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027........

those are your comments

when/if  you sober up , please take a look at your own comments......

you posted ...........Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027.

 

 

 

You really believe that we live in 2027? Okay, whatever.

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22 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027.

You sober up yet???? you do know it is 2023 not 2027

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https://www.autoevolution.com/news/after-a-botched-ev-push-general-motors-is-in-deep-trouble-211660.html

General Motors vowed to surpass Tesla as the number one EV maker in the U.S., and its plans look rock solid on paper. In reality, the carmaker is struggling to produce the GMC Hummer EV and Cadillac Lyriq, its Ultium-based EVs, in significant numbers. To make matters worse, GM has announced a voluntary separation program to trim its workforce.

GM has not announced how many people it expects to accept the offer, but it wants to cut $2 billion per year in costs as a result. The times have lost patience with legacy carmakers, and Mary Barra already knows that.

 

It's not about surpassing Tesla anymore, it's about survival. 

After a Botched EV Push, General 

Edited July 6, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

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Ford to lose $3 billion from EV sales to consumers this year

By Chris Isidore, CNN

Updated 2:53 PM EDT, Thu March 23, 2023

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/23/business/ford-ev-losses/index.html

Edited July 6, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

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2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Okay, so you think that we are living in 2027, Jay?

You are the one who made the claim and I provided the evidence that you made the claim. Time to take your meds.

Once again here is YOUR post:

Edited July 6, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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1 hour ago, notsonice said:

You sober up yet???? you do know it is 2023 not 2027

Do you know that? You posted numbers from the 2027 perspective...do you think that we live in 2027?

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19 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

You are the one who made the claim and I provided the evidence that you made the claim. Time to take your meds.

Once again here is YOUR post:

You are a little slow today, Jay. The chart showing the 2027 perspective was not posted by me.

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8 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

You are a little slow today, Jay. The chart showing the 2027 perspective was not posted by me.

You are the one who said: 

"Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027."

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

Do you know that? You posted numbers from the 2027 perspective...do you think that we live in 2027?

you seem to think it is 2027 you posted "Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027."

 

but just in case you miss read the chart the last info they posted on the chart is for 2026....not 2027

 

you also stated......The chart showing the 2027 perspective......

you do understand that the information for 2026 is a projection based on what we all know now...

and once again new ICE vehicle sales ....falling off a cliff

now you should print out the chart....tape it to your fridge..... just a reminder of the future and the fall of Oil.....

Enjoy the transition....your Saudi pals will need to do more and more cuts to production

 

 

Edited July 6, 2023 by notsonice

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2 hours ago, notsonice said:

but just in case you miss read the chart the last info they posted on the chart is for 2026....not 2027

 

 The chart ends in 2026 so he said the numbers are out of date because "we live in 2027". 

 

Edited July 6, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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Toyota Claims Breakthrough That Will Lead To 745-Mile EV Battery (msn.com)

"Toyota claims it has made a technological breakthrough that will eventually lead to a solid-state battery capable of delivering up to 745 miles (1,199 kilometers) of range, all while completely recharging in 10 minutes"

 

That is a far longer range than ICE cars.

 

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54 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

Toyota Claims Breakthrough That Will Lead To 745-Mile EV Battery (msn.com)

"Toyota claims it has made a technological breakthrough that will eventually lead to a solid-state battery capable of delivering up to 745 miles (1,199 kilometers) of range, all while completely recharging in 10 minutes"

 

That is a far longer range than ICE cars.

 

Charging an EV capable of that many miles "in 10 minutes" will require incredible liquid-cooled conductors, wearing arc-flash suits, handling extremely heavy connectors...

...or an entirely new paradigm for EV charging.

 

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52 minutes ago, turbguy said:

Charging an EV capable of that many miles "in 10 minutes" will require incredible liquid-cooled conductors, wearing arc-flash suits, handling extremely heavy connectors...

...or an entirely new paradigm for EV charging.

 

Yeah, Toyota is lying out their ass about their non existent battery tech to prop up their stock price. Their batteries are made by BYD in China. 

Toyota has been anti EV and are now paying the price.

Edited July 7, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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8 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

You are the one who said: 

"Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027."

I was not the one who posted the 2027 perspective....read the other posts above.

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4 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

 The chart ends in 2026 so he said the numbers are out of date because "we live in 2027". 

 

The perspective would have to be 2027...you must be more numerically challenged than I thought.

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4 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

 The chart ends in 2026 so he said the numbers are out of date because "we live in 2027". 

 

You seemed to get the wrong quote again, Jay, This is just not your day.

My statement was actually a query to the poster. Read again.

Here is what I actually stated above.

"Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027. Right?"

Somehow you were determined to misquote.

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23 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

You seemed to get the wrong quote again, Jay, This is just not your day.

My statement was actually a query to the poster. Read again.

Here is what I actually stated above.

"Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027. Right?"

Somehow you were determined to misquote.

So you are confirming that you think we live in 2027.

Once again here is the screen grab of your post, it did not include the word Right with a question mark. My quote of you was exact:

 

Edited July 7, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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44 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

You seemed to get the wrong quote again, Jay, This is just not your day.

My statement was actually a query to the poster. Read again.

Here is what I actually stated above.

"Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027. Right?"

Somehow you were determined to misquote.

I see you updated what you originally wrote.....

Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027

 

to

"Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027. Right?" 

you are unable to own what you write so now you babble BS

 

lets get back to the topic at hand......

Enjoy the graph....have you bothered to print it out yet???? if not , do not worry ....I will keep reposting it for your convienence....

ICE Vehicles in terminal decline....the peak was 2017 and now......off a cliff............2027....the year that more EVs are produced than ICE vehicles...........Oil Demand......terminal decline

PS did you get the latest on the Tesla numbers........2 million a year now.........Man , that Joe Biden sure knows how to help sell those EVs

Edited July 7, 2023 by notsonice

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

So you are confirming that you think we live in 2027.

Once again here is the screen grab of your post, it did not include the word Right with a question mark. My quote of you was exact:

 

I am confirming that you misquoted me. Right?

Edited July 7, 2023 by Ecocharger