Ecocharger + 1,384 DL July 7, 2023 43 minutes ago, notsonice said: I see you updated what you originally wrote..... Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027 Â to "Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027. Right?"Â you are unable to own what you write so now you babble BS Â lets get back to the topic at hand...... Enjoy the graph....have you bothered to print it out yet???? if not , do not worry ....I will keep reposting it for your convienence.... ICE Vehicles in terminal decline....the peak was 2017 and now......off a cliff............2027....the year that more EVs are produced than ICE vehicles...........Oil Demand......terminal decline PS did you get the latest on the Tesla numbers........2 million a year now.........Man , that Joe Biden sure knows how to help sell those EVs EVs are piling up unsold on the lots, showing that the market is saturated for EVs. Dead end. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 July 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: I am confirming that you misquoted me. Right? No as the screenshot of your post clearly shows I quoted you correctly. You misquoted yourself you dufus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeroen Goudswaard + 57 July 7, 2023 On 4/11/2023 at 4:53 AM, Ecocharger said: Of course oil will continue to dominate the freight business, there is no alternative now or ever. EV buses is nonsense, there is insufficient charging capability to support them. Only small personal vehicles are feasible, and then are inferior in terms of value or adaptability to fossil fuel vehicles. What do you drive? I can already guess....a USED fossil fuel car, you know, the ones which emit huge amounts of toxic fumes. Am I right? EV buses have been the only ones coming on the road where I live. They charge at the terminus, as the driver takes a coffee. Seems to work. I happen to drive a plug-in hybrid. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL July 7, 2023 9 hours ago, Jeroen Goudswaard said: EV buses have been the only ones coming on the road where I live. They charge at the terminus, as the driver takes a coffee. Seems to work. I happen to drive a plug-in hybrid. EV buses, as in local route, I assume. Not long-haul. Hybrids count as fossil fuel vehicles. The EV vehicles are piling up on the lots, the market for them appears saturated, that niche market appears saturated and at a dead end. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL July 7, 2023 10 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: No as the screenshot of your post clearly shows I quoted you correctly. You misquoted yourself you dufus. You finally figured out the flaw in the chart, which was put together by someone in 2027, back from the future? Took you a while, Jay. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,097 DM July 7, 2023 16 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: You finally figured out the flaw in the chart, which was put together by someone in 2027, back from the future? Took you a while, Jay.   once again you posted it was now 2027 Your post from a few days ago .........................Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027.  here is the exact post and time.......Enjoy    On 7/5/2023 at 12:27 PM, Ecocharger said: Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027.  you can babble BS (as usual) now to try to cover-up that you believed the other day it was now 2027.....  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,097 DM July 7, 2023 back to reality........Looks like the ICE vehicle is on the path to extinction..... CASH FOR CLUNKERS............. The peak for ICE vehicles was 98 million   when you might ask.....2017 what happened since 2017  2022 ICE vehicle sale were 73 million vehicles and 2023...... heading lower and lower to less than 71 million vehicles  and the future 2024...... oh my less than 68 Million vehicles and 2025 off a cliff ....60 million vehicles damn pesky EVs 2017 was the peak for ICE vehicles...and the future.....enjoy the chart below .....looks like 2027 ICE vehicles will be less than 50 percent of the peak sales year 2017 (98 million) and those pesky EVs.....50 percent of new car sales oh oh my ....Peak oil ....it already happened......still waiting for your dead cat bounce.....2022 must have been so disappointing for you...... both oil and coal did not achieve new highs......... Pesky EVs and renewables  you should print out the chart ....tape it to your fridge......enjoy it everyday Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL July 7, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, notsonice said:   once again you posted it was now 2027 Your post from a few days ago .........................Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027.  here is the exact post and time.......Enjoy    On 7/5/2023 at 12:27 PM, Ecocharger said: Hey, these number are already out of date, we live in 2027.  you can babble BS (as usual) now to try to cover-up that you believed the other day it was now 2027.....  You really are slow, old man. The chart itself claimed to be created from the perspective of 2027, I guess someone visited us from the future and put that lovely mess of a chart together. One of your own boys did that garbage? Edited July 7, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL July 7, 2023 3 hours ago, notsonice said: back to reality........Looks like the ICE vehicle is on the path to extinction..... CASH FOR CLUNKERS............. The peak for ICE vehicles was 98 million   when you might ask.....2017 what happened since 2017  2022 ICE vehicle sale were 73 million vehicles and 2023...... heading lower and lower to less than 71 million vehicles  and the future 2024...... oh my less than 68 Million vehicles and 2025 off a cliff ....60 million vehicles damn pesky EVs 2017 was the peak for ICE vehicles...and the future.....enjoy the chart below .....looks like 2027 ICE vehicles will be less than 50 percent of the peak sales year 2017 (98 million) and those pesky EVs.....50 percent of new car sales oh oh my ....Peak oil ....it already happened......still waiting for your dead cat bounce.....2022 must have been so disappointing for you...... both oil and coal did not achieve new highs......... Pesky EVs and renewables  you should print out the chart ....tape it to your fridge......enjoy it everyday EVs are piling up on the sales lots, the dead end of a niche market. Sorry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 501 GE July 8, 2023 EV Interest At An All-Time High: Half Of US Car Buyers Eyeing Plug-In Models (msn.com) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 July 8, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: EV Interest At An All-Time High: Half Of US Car Buyers Eyeing Plug-In Models (msn.com) Ya Don't Say.... https://www.rystadenergy.com/news/ev-sales-collapse-as-subsidies-and-tax-credits-come-to-an-abrupt-halt EV sales collapse as subsidies and tax credits come to an abrupt halt Edited July 8, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 501 GE July 8, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ya Don't Say.... https://www.rystadenergy.com/news/ev-sales-collapse-as-subsidies-and-tax-credits-come-to-an-abrupt-halt EV sales collapse as subsidies and tax credits come to an abrupt halt According to rystadenergy.... "The company provides mainly oil and gas analyzes, but the share of renewable energy and carbon emission analyzes has increased continuously." So highly biased towards oil now, but also realizes RE is gaining market share Edited July 8, 2023 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,421 July 8, 2023 (edited) Given the obvious additional generating capacity that is going to exist (actually, DOES exist!) at night in Texas, I can see those Texas fossil generator owners drooling for EV adoption to increase. Keep that demand high after peak, so we can make more revenue! EV adoption is going to dramatically change the electric market. Edited July 8, 2023 by turbguy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,421 July 8, 2023 1 hour ago, TailingsPond said: According to rystadenergy.... "The company provides mainly oil and gas analyzes, but the share of renewable energy and carbon emission analyzes has increased continuously." So highly biased towards oil now, but also realizes RE is gaining market share Take a look at the open positions with that firm. They appear to be highly focused on RE and Carbon Capture. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,097 DM July 8, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Ecocharger said: EVs are piling up on the sales lots, the dead end of a niche market. Sorry. dead end??? then why are EV sales increasing everywhere  YTD US for 5 brands  Electric vehicles sold in the U.S. For the first half of the year The table shows the change in the number of electric passenger vehicles sold in the U.S. in the first half of 2023 from the same period a year prior. MISSING: summary MISSING: current-rows.   Jan-to-Jun2023 Jan-to-Jun2022 Year-over-year% change Tesla 336,892 259,790 30% 30% 30% Hyundai-Kia 38,457 34,518 11% 11% 11% General Motors 36,322 7,820 365% 365% 365% Volkswagen Group 26,538 12,424 114% 114% 114% Ford 25,709 22,979 12% 12% 12% Note: Passenger vehiclesTable: Gabriel Cortes / CNBCSource: Motor Intelligence     Edited July 8, 2023 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL July 8, 2023 4 hours ago, turbguy said: Given the obvious additional generating capacity that is going to exist (actually, DOES exist!) at night in Texas, I can see those Texas fossil generator owners drooling for EV adoption to increase. Keep that demand high after peak, so we can make more revenue! EV adoption is going to dramatically change the electric market. The EV market is now saturated and EVs are sitting stagnant in inventory lots. The party is over. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,315 RG July 8, 2023 Semi, vans, pickups, compacts? All these markets missed the party before made? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 July 8, 2023 (edited) The real reason the Green Toys are being cast aside..Substantial only with high cash govt cash flow, and Manchin has tightened the purse strings. Joe Manchin the Green Soup Nazi..No More Cash For You! Absolutely Unbelievable. https://electrek.co/2022/07/14/joe-manchin-sabotaging-us-clean-energy-plan/ The real reason Joe Manchin is sabotaging the US clean energy plan [update] https://www.rystadenergy.com/news/ev-sales-collapse-as-subsidies-and-tax-credits-come-to-an-abrupt-halt EV sales collapse as subsidies and tax credits come to an abrupt halt 01. March 2023  Contact News / Press release 01. March 2023 EV sales collapse as subsidies and tax credits come to an abrupt halt  Share The global electric vehicle (EV) market is reeling from one of the most dramatic collapses in monthly sales to date, with Rystad Energy research showing that only 672,000 units were sold in January, almost half of December 2022 sales and a mere 3% year-on-year increase over January 2022. The EV market share among all passenger car sales also tumbled to 14% in January, well down on the 23% seen in December. EV sales have been on a relatively consistent upward trajectory in recent years – aside from periods impacted by Covid-19 pandemic-related supply chain issues – and a significant collapse in sales is worrying news for the industry. Tax credits and government subsidies have propped up the EV market to date as countries identify passenger car fleet electrification as a core tactic for meeting net-zero emissions goals, but the reduction or removal of these subsidies this year has dampened consumer sentiment. Automakers are now scrambling to reverse the downward spiral and salvage the market in 2023. The automotive market is usually cyclical, with sales taking a hit after new subsidy rules come into effect at the start of each year, followed by a gradual recovery. However, the cuts in January this year hit harder than normal, triggering this dramatic collapse. The ramifications of this will be long-lasting and will impact sales through the first quarter of the year and potentially the rest of 2023. EV subsidies in many European countries and mainland China were sliced at the start of the year, and a return of any significance is highly unlikely in the immediate future. One ray of hope for the global outlook is the US market, which is just beginning its electrification journey and rolling out tax credits thanks to the Inflation Reduction Act. The US was the only major market that saw an increase in both EV sales and market share year-on-year, although its contribution to the global total is still relatively minimal. The sands are shifting for the global EV market. Consumer appetite for electric cars remains strong, but it’s clear that tax credits and subsidies still play a significant role in convincing consumers to make the switch. Carmakers may have no option but to respond with reduced prices. Abhishek Murali, clean tech analyst, Rystad Energy Learn more with Rystad Energy’s low-carbon solutions. China, the largest EV market globally, experienced a near 50% cut in EV sales in January 2023 compared to the prior month, but the year-over-year change was relatively flat due to the affinity of consumers for cheaper domestic-made models. The Chinese Association of Automotive Manufacturers forecasts a slowing of sales momentum this year, predicting around 8 million EV sales this year. We expect slow sales to continue through the first quarter, but CATL’s announcement of a price cut in battery cells for automotive offtakers will help boost sales again. Although there was a marginal year-on-year growth in EV sales in Europe last month, market performance has been grim, with many countries showing a steep drop in EV sales from December 2022. With EV subsidies coming to an end, many consumers brought forward their purchases from the first quarter of 2023 to December 2022, leading to a massive spike in purchases before the end of the year. Widespread subsidy reductions will have a lasting impact on sales activity, but automakers will not tolerate this weakening for long – Tesla is already testing their pricing limits, offering a massive discount, triggering a large volume of pre-orders. Germany have seen a steep falloff in sales and market share. Sales in Germany dropped about a third in January compared to 2022, totaling only 27,000 for the month. Market share in the country also fell off a cliff – after EVs accounted for 55% of all car sales in December 2022, the market share fell to just 15%. Elsewhere in Europe, the EV market share in the UK halved from about 40% to 20% month-to-month and from 50% to 24% in the Netherlands. This downward trend is replicated across much of Europe and will be giving automakers sleepless nights. Norway experienced the worst monthly passenger car sales in over 60 years, with just 1,860 vehicles sold, including EVs. Electric cars accounted for 76.3% of those sales, totaling 1,419 units. That market share was also the lowest and dipped below 80% for the first time in two years. A slew of new taxes have contributed to this, and battery electric vehicles are now impacted by two new taxes that will negatively impact sales.   https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/taxes/ev-tax-credit-electric-vehicle-tax-credit The EV tax credit was extended and revamped under the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, which means that people buying vehicles though 2032 may be eligible for these benefits. However, there may be some hiccups for consumers as the changes roll out this year. As of April 2023, electric vehicles have to meet new manufacturing standards requiring batteries and critical minerals to be at least partially sourced from the U.S. And there are other changes to account for, including income thresholds and price caps. While these latest rules may complicate your choices under the EV tax credit, the overall program is expected to result in more people using the benefit over time. The White House has estimated that credit could save taxpayers up to $950 per year. [1] Here's what you need to know about the federal tax incentives for electric vehicles, a summary of changes courtesy of the legislation, and an overview of which cars may qualify for the new credit according to the IRS.  Edited July 8, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 501 GE July 8, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: The real reason Joe Manchin is sabotaging the US clean energy plan [update]  "Coal investor and US Senator Joe Manchin III (D-WV) opposes his own political party’s clean energy program." Surprise! A politician cares more about his own portfolio more than public health and wellness or even his parties interests. *cough* trumpish *cough* anti-Democracy *cough* You already posted the stupid rystadenergy link. Try to keep up with yourself.  Edited July 8, 2023 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 July 8, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: "Coal investor and US Senator Joe Manchin III (D-WV) opposes his own political party’s clean energy program." Surprise! A politician cares more about his own portfolio more than public health and wellness or even his parties interests. *cough* trumpish *cough* anti-Democracy *cough* You already posted the stupid rystadenergy link. Try to keep up with yourself.  Focus: 300,000 companies in Germany are on the verge of bankruptcy  One in ten German companies has encountered financial problems and is at risk of bankruptcy. Currently, the European Union is faced with an energy crisis, provoking inflation and rising energy costs.  https://runews24.ru/eng/world/17/11/2022/d66ae69e83625be92fb62567a4959046  Germany to close all 84 of its coal-fired power plants, will rely primarily on renewable energy The plan includes some $45 billion in spending to mitigate the pain in coal regions. 45 BILLION GONE WITH THE WIND. I LEAVE WITH YOU.  https://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-germany-coal-power-20190126-story.html Edited July 8, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polyphia + 71 LT July 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: The real reason the Green Toys are being cast aside..Substantial only with high cash govt cash flow, and Manchin has tightened the purse strings. Joe Manchin the Green Soup Nazi..No More Cash For You! Absolutely Unbelievable. https://electrek.co/2022/07/14/joe-manchin-sabotaging-us-clean-energy-plan/ The real reason Joe Manchin is sabotaging the US clean energy plan [update] https://www.rystadenergy.com/news/ev-sales-collapse-as-subsidies-and-tax-credits-come-to-an-abrupt-halt EV sales collapse as subsidies and tax credits come to an abrupt halt 01. March 2023  Contact News / Press release 01. March 2023 EV sales collapse as subsidies and tax credits come to an abrupt halt  Share The global electric vehicle (EV) market is reeling from one of the most dramatic collapses in monthly sales to date, with Rystad Energy research showing that only 672,000 units were sold in January, almost half of December 2022 sales and a mere 3% year-on-year increase over January 2022. The EV market share among all passenger car sales also tumbled to 14% in January, well down on the 23% seen in December. EV sales have been on a relatively consistent upward trajectory in recent years – aside from periods impacted by Covid-19 pandemic-related supply chain issues – and a significant collapse in sales is worrying news for the industry. Tax credits and government subsidies have propped up the EV market to date as countries identify passenger car fleet electrification as a core tactic for meeting net-zero emissions goals, but the reduction or removal of these subsidies this year has dampened consumer sentiment. Automakers are now scrambling to reverse the downward spiral and salvage the market in 2023. The automotive market is usually cyclical, with sales taking a hit after new subsidy rules come into effect at the start of each year, followed by a gradual recovery. However, the cuts in January this year hit harder than normal, triggering this dramatic collapse. The ramifications of this will be long-lasting and will impact sales through the first quarter of the year and potentially the rest of 2023. EV subsidies in many European countries and mainland China were sliced at the start of the year, and a return of any significance is highly unlikely in the immediate future. One ray of hope for the global outlook is the US market, which is just beginning its electrification journey and rolling out tax credits thanks to the Inflation Reduction Act. The US was the only major market that saw an increase in both EV sales and market share year-on-year, although its contribution to the global total is still relatively minimal. The sands are shifting for the global EV market. Consumer appetite for electric cars remains strong, but it’s clear that tax credits and subsidies still play a significant role in convincing consumers to make the switch. Carmakers may have no option but to respond with reduced prices. Abhishek Murali, clean tech analyst, Rystad Energy Learn more with Rystad Energy’s low-carbon solutions. China, the largest EV market globally, experienced a near 50% cut in EV sales in January 2023 compared to the prior month, but the year-over-year change was relatively flat due to the affinity of consumers for cheaper domestic-made models. The Chinese Association of Automotive Manufacturers forecasts a slowing of sales momentum this year, predicting around 8 million EV sales this year. We expect slow sales to continue through the first quarter, but CATL’s announcement of a price cut in battery cells for automotive offtakers will help boost sales again. Although there was a marginal year-on-year growth in EV sales in Europe last month, market performance has been grim, with many countries showing a steep drop in EV sales from December 2022. With EV subsidies coming to an end, many consumers brought forward their purchases from the first quarter of 2023 to December 2022, leading to a massive spike in purchases before the end of the year. Widespread subsidy reductions will have a lasting impact on sales activity, but automakers will not tolerate this weakening for long – Tesla is already testing their pricing limits, offering a massive discount, triggering a large volume of pre-orders. Germany have seen a steep falloff in sales and market share. Sales in Germany dropped about a third in January compared to 2022, totaling only 27,000 for the month. Market share in the country also fell off a cliff – after EVs accounted for 55% of all car sales in December 2022, the market share fell to just 15%. Elsewhere in Europe, the EV market share in the UK halved from about 40% to 20% month-to-month and from 50% to 24% in the Netherlands. This downward trend is replicated across much of Europe and will be giving automakers sleepless nights. Norway experienced the worst monthly passenger car sales in over 60 years, with just 1,860 vehicles sold, including EVs. Electric cars accounted for 76.3% of those sales, totaling 1,419 units. That market share was also the lowest and dipped below 80% for the first time in two years. A slew of new taxes have contributed to this, and battery electric vehicles are now impacted by two new taxes that will negatively impact sales.   https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/taxes/ev-tax-credit-electric-vehicle-tax-credit The EV tax credit was extended and revamped under the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, which means that people buying vehicles though 2032 may be eligible for these benefits. However, there may be some hiccups for consumers as the changes roll out this year. As of April 2023, electric vehicles have to meet new manufacturing standards requiring batteries and critical minerals to be at least partially sourced from the U.S. And there are other changes to account for, including income thresholds and price caps. While these latest rules may complicate your choices under the EV tax credit, the overall program is expected to result in more people using the benefit over time. The White House has estimated that credit could save taxpayers up to $950 per year. [1] Here's what you need to know about the federal tax incentives for electric vehicles, a summary of changes courtesy of the legislation, and an overview of which cars may qualify for the new credit according to the IRS.  What is this garbage about Manchin? You have referenced on article from before the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) that Manchin helped get passed. It would have made more sense for you to post an article from April of this year that indicated if the Biden administration did not start investing in the US's energy security (i.e., fossil fuels), Manchin vowed to try to get the IRA repealed. Given that he got a gas pipeline out of the debt ceiling negotiations, I believe he has been pacified. In line with TailingPonds' statements about him, check out this article about how Manchin built his wealth. Be careful, though, EWO; it might send you into a frenzy. The word "coal" is mentioned a total of 68 times. https://theintercept.com/2021/09/03/joe-manchin-coal-fossil-fuels-pollution/  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 July 8, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Polyphia said: What is this garbage about Manchin? You have referenced on article from before the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) that Manchin helped get passed. It would have made more sense for you to post an article from April of this year that indicated if the Biden administration did not start investing in the US's energy security (i.e., fossil fuels), Manchin vowed to try to get the IRA repealed. Given that he got a gas pipeline out of the debt ceiling negotiations, I believe he has been pacified. In line with TailingPonds' statements about him, check out this article about how Manchin built his wealth. Be careful, though, EWO; it might send you into a frenzy. The word "coal" is mentioned a total of 68 times. https://theintercept.com/2021/09/03/joe-manchin-coal-fossil-fuels-pollution/  Game over little one...unless GM or Ford starts production..And that has not nor will not occur. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/09/trade-rules-democrats-inflation-tax-00073138 A congressional backroom deal to favor American factories is spiraling into a full-blown global trade conflict, with European and Asian allies furious at being cut out of lucrative U.S. tax credits for electric vehicles. The European Union, South Korea and Japan are pressing President Joe Biden to weaken America-first manufacturing rules in his signature climate bill ahead of Jan. 1, when only electric vehicles assembled in North America will be eligible for rebates to consumers. Now that must have stung a smidge...Why would Macron become defensive over US tax payer dollar's? Go figure that one. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/19/joe-manchin-davos-inflation-reduction-act-europe-00078510 You’re hurting my country’: Manchin faces Europe’s wrath The West Virginia senator is pushing Europeans to stop worrying and love the Inflation Reduction Act.  Edited July 8, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 July 8, 2023 (edited) Meanwhile while western civilization would be gutting it's it's energy infrastructure it would seem...actually it almost a vulgar display of coal fired infrastructure...Perhaps more coal generation than the entire western civilization combined...lets do some math shall we...I make that a double the coal fired infrastructure. Those are old stats. https://www.statista.com/statistics/859266/number-of-coal-power-plants-by-country/  Edited July 8, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 649 July 8, 2023 (edited) On 7/7/2023 at 12:35 AM, Jeroen Goudswaard said: EV buses have been the only ones coming on the road where I live. They charge at the terminus, as the driver takes a coffee. Seems to work. I happen to drive a plug-in hybrid. Public transit in the Netherlands is vastly different than in the USA. We must cover lots of land. Natural gas buses have worked extremely well for decades. Switching to batteries is a purely green political move. It will cost more all factors considered. CNG is preferable for all large vehicles. https://mapfight.xyz/map/san.bernadino/ San Bernardino County (California) compared to European countries Albania is 0.55 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Austria is 1.61 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Bosnia and Herzegovina is 0.98 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) The Balkans is 8.97 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Baltic States is 3.36 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Belgium is 0.59 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Benelux Union is 1.47 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Bulgaria is 2.13 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Belarus is 3.99 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Switzerland is 0.79 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Crimea is 0.52 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Czech Republic is 1.51 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Czechoslovakia is 2.46 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Germany is 6.86 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Denmark is 0.83 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Estonia is 0.87 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) England is 2.50 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Spain is 9.72 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Finland is 6.50 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) United Kingdom is 4.66 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Greece (mainland) is 2.12 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Croatia is 1.09 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Hungary is 1.79 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Republic of Ireland is 1.35 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Iceland is 1.98 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Italy is 5.79 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Kosovo is 0.21 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Lithuania is 1.25 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Latvia is 1.24 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Moldova is 0.65 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Montenegro is 0.27 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) North Macedonia is 0.49 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Netherlands is 0.80 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Norway is 6.22 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Northern Ireland is 0.27 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Poland is 6.00 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Portugal is 1.77 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Romania is 4.58 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Serbia is 1.70 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Scotland is 1.51 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Sweden is 8.65 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Slovenia is 0.39 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Slovakia is 0.94 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Ural Mountains is 9.60 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Wales is 0.40 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Yugoslavia is 4.91 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) San Bernardino County (California) compared to Asian countries UAE (United Arab Emirates) is 1.61 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Armenia is 0.57 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Azerbaijan is 1.66 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Bangladesh is 2.77 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Brunei is 0.11 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Bhutan is 0.74 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Chukchi Peninsula is 0.98 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Fiji is 0.35 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Georgia is 1.34 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Israel is 0.40 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Iraq is 8.42 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Jordan is 1.72 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Japan is 7.26 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Kamchatka Peninsula is 5.19 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Kyrgyzstan is 3.84 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Cambodia is 3.48 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Korean peninsula is 4.24 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) North Korea is 2.31 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) South Korea is 1.91 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Kurdistan is 7.53 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Kuwait is 0.34 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Laos is 4.55 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Lebanon is 0.20 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Levant is 6.24 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Sri Lanka is 1.26 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Malay peninsula is 4.65 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Malaysia is 6.35 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic (Azerbaijan) is 0.11 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Nepal is 2.83 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Oman is 5.94 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Papua New Guinea is 8.89 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Philippines is 5.76 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Palestine is 0.12 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Qatar is 0.22 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Syria is 3.56 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Thailand is 9.85 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Tajikistan is 2.75 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) East Timor is 0.29 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Turkmenistan is 9.37 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Taiwan is 0.69 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Uzbekistan is 8.59 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Vietnam is 6.36 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) West Bank is 0.11 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) San Bernardino County (California) compared to African countries Burkina Faso is 5.27 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Burundi is 0.53 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Benin is 2.16 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Congo is 6.57 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Ivory Coast is 6.19 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Cameroon is 9.13 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Darfur (Sudan) is 9.47 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Djibouti is 0.45 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Western Sahara is 5.11 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Eritrea is 2.26 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Gabon is 5.14 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Ghana is 4.58 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Gambia is 0.22 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Guinea is 4.72 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Equatorial Guinea is 0.54 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Guinea-Bissau is 0.69 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Halaib Triangle is 0.40 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Liberia is 2.14 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Lesotho is 0.58 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Morocco is 8.58 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Malawi is 2.28 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Rwanda is 0.51 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Sierra Leone is 1.38 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Senegal is 3.78 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Somaliland is 3.38 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Eswatini (Swaziland) is 0.33 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Togo is 1.09 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Tunisia is 3.14 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Uganda is 4.63 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Zimbabwe is 7.50 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) San Bernardino County (California) compared to US States California (US) is 8.14 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Upper Peninsula of Michigan is 0.82 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Alabama (US) is 2.61 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Arkansas (US) is 2.63 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Arizona (US) is 5.65 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Colorado (US) is 5.18 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Connecticut (US) is 0.28 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Florida (US) is 3.27 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Georgia (US) is 2.96 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Hawaii (US) is 0.54 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Iowa (US) is 2.80 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Idaho (US) is 4.16 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Illinois (US) is 2.88 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Indiana (US) is 1.81 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Kansas (US) is 4.09 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Kentucky (US) is 2.01 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Louisiana (US) is 2.60 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Massachusetts (US) is 0.52 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Maryland (US) is 0.62 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Maine (US) is 1.76 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Michigan (US) is 2.89 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Minnesota (US) is 4.32 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Missouri (US) is 3.47 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Mississippi (US) is 2.41 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Montana (US) is 7.32 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) North Carolina (US) is 2.68 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) North Dakota (US) is 3.52 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Nebraska (US) is 3.85 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) New Hampshire (US) is 0.47 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) New Jersey (US) is 0.43 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) New Mexico (US) is 6.05 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Nevada (US) is 5.50 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) New York State (US) is 2.71 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Ohio (US) is 2.23 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Oklahoma (US) is 3.48 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Oregon (US) is 4.90 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Pennsylvania (US) is 2.29 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) South Carolina (US) is 1.59 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) South Dakota (US) is 3.84 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Tennessee (US) is 2.10 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Utah (US) is 4.22 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Virginia (US) is 2.13 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Vermont (US) is 0.48 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Washington (US) is 3.55 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Wisconsin (US) is 3.26 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) West Virginia (US) is 1.21 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Wyoming (US) is 4.90 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) San Bernardino County (California) compared to countries in the Americas Belize is 0.44 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Central America is 9.76 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Costa Rica is 0.98 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Cuba is 2.11 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Dominican Republic is 0.93 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Ecuador is 4.92 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Guatemala is 2.09 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) French Guiana is 1.60 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Guyana is 4.13 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Honduras is 2.16 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Haiti is 0.53 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Jamaica is 0.21 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Republic of Lakotah is 3.84 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Mojave Desert is 2.38 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) New England is 3.58 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Nicaragua is 2.50 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Panama is 1.45 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Puerto Rico (US) is 0.17 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Paraguay is 7.81 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Suriname is 3.15 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) El Salvador is 0.40 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Uruguay is 3.38 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Yucatan Peninsula is 3.48 times as big as San Bernardino County (California) Edited July 8, 2023 by Ron Wagner 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,315 RG July 9, 2023 That was weird Ron. Of course batteries are better than nat gas in cities because of emissions. Humans breath emissions in large cities. Then the noise pollution. Quiet vehicles are nice. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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