Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 August 12, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, surrept33 said: That's very much part of economics, and those are elected governments for the most part elected who pass those measures One can only assume your education and or culture background would be communists or socialistic perspective. The US system is by no means structured in such a manner. Edited August 12, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,475 DL August 12, 2023 14 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Again, I will agree that those who don't own their homes will be slower to adopt. Landlords will eventually add them as it adds value to the property. I disagree charging ports will become more expensive; technology almost always gets cheaper. There will be ultra-fast chargers very soon, add to that the fact cars spend most of their time parked charging isn't the problem you make it out to be. Most people with regular length commutes can go days without charging at all. The charging times are enormous for EVs, many many hours of charging, a huge drain on the electrical supply system. There are no fast chargers, just a myth about them. And all this bother for no good reason. Utter foolishness. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,475 DL August 12, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, surrept33 said: That's very much part of economics, and those are elected governments for the most part elected who pass those measures. It'a like economic situations where for example, uninformed tourists feed the wild animals in national parks, thereby killing them, and ruining tourism. In those situations, we elect governments to regulate such behavior by attempting to inform those tourists, or penalizing such behavior. Such types of laws are part of every democracy in different areas that have an effect on economics. There is no rational purpose for the CO2 regulations, the government needs to step up and explain what they are attempting to accomplish and why. Not good enough to just wave your arms and spout about "democracy". Democracy can be subverted by panic-mongers and unprincipled politicians, it takes time for public debate to overturn rogue political movements. Germany elected a rogue government in 1933 which came to power in a calculated panic campaign. It can happen. Edited August 12, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 710 August 13, 2023 On 8/10/2023 at 3:37 AM, Rob Plant said: More BS Volkswagen EV Sales Growing 50% In 2023 https://cleantechnica.com/2023/07/14/volkswagen-ev-sales-growing-50-in-2023/ https://insideevs.com/news/678964/volkswagen-group-global-bev-sales-2023q2/ Tiny production compared to China. https://insideevs.com/search/?q=chinese+ev+volume Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Sanches + 187 August 13, 2023 EV sales figures are bogus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEfwoqKRU8 EV cars are catching fire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOA7qKMcjcE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKa8mVOe5so Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Sanches + 187 August 13, 2023 17 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said: Tiny production compared to China. https://insideevs.com/search/?q=chinese+ev+volume China production numbers are bogus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEfwoqKRU8&t=124s 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP August 15, 2023 On 8/11/2023 at 6:28 PM, Ecocharger said: The Chinese EV product looks like an investment scheme and not for actual consumer use. China’s EV sales to exceed 8 million units by end of 2023 https://technode.com/2023/06/29/chinas-ev-sales-to-exceed-8-million-units-by-end-of-2023/ So the 8 million EV's that will be on the road in China arent "for actual consumer use" are you serious???? Do you honestly think they are making them for fun or to look "green"? And I'm the one who has to wake up lol, unbelievable! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP August 15, 2023 On 8/12/2023 at 4:18 PM, Ecocharger said: There are no fast chargers, just a myth about them. Do you honestly believe what you write, I'm truly flabberghasted https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/supercharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP August 15, 2023 On 8/13/2023 at 3:24 AM, Ron Wagner said: Tiny production compared to China. https://insideevs.com/search/?q=chinese+ev+volume Agreed Ron but the specific topic I was referring to from EWS was VW hence the post. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,475 DL August 15, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Rob Plant said: China’s EV sales to exceed 8 million units by end of 2023 https://technode.com/2023/06/29/chinas-ev-sales-to-exceed-8-million-units-by-end-of-2023/ So the 8 million EV's that will be on the road in China arent "for actual consumer use" are you serious???? Do you honestly think they are making them for fun or to look "green"? And I'm the one who has to wake up lol, unbelievable! I gave you the link for the China scam, it is just an investment scheme which piles up on lots unsold EVs marked as "SOLD". Never ends up on the road with people in them. That is a joke, old boy. Take a look at this. Here is an eye-opener showing how Chinese EVs are being produced according to investment schemes but not for actual use, and the pollution which results from Chinese unused EVs. There is a promo partway through this but the images are convincing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEfwoqKRU8 Edited August 15, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM August 15, 2023 9 hours ago, Ecocharger said: I gave you the link for the China scam, it is just an investment scheme which piles up on lots unsold EVs marked as "SOLD". Never ends up on the road with people in them. That is a joke, old boy. Take a look at this. Here is an eye-opener showing how Chinese EVs are being produced according to investment schemes but not for actual use, and the pollution which results from Chinese unused EVs. There is a promo partway through this but the images are convincing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEfwoqKRU8 8 million parked EV's in China???? what are you smoking today????? News out of China..... ICE vehicle sales have crashed in China........... China ICE sales will be halved again in 2024. New vehicle sales in China increased by almost 10% to 2,451,000 units in March 2023 from 2,234,000 in the same month of last year, according to passenger car and commercial vehicle wholesale data from the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers (CAAM).May 4, 2023 Gas Car Sales Collapsing in China Now ... - NextBigFuture.com Gas Car Sales Collapsing in China Now and Will Collapse in Europe By 2025 Sales of new energy vehicles (NEVs), mainly electrics and hybrids, increased 35% to 653,000 units in March and 26% to 1,586,000 year to date (YTD). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,475 DL August 16, 2023 9 hours ago, notsonice said: 8 million parked EV's in China???? what are you smoking today????? News out of China..... ICE vehicle sales have crashed in China........... China ICE sales will be halved again in 2024. New vehicle sales in China increased by almost 10% to 2,451,000 units in March 2023 from 2,234,000 in the same month of last year, according to passenger car and commercial vehicle wholesale data from the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers (CAAM).May 4, 2023 Gas Car Sales Collapsing in China Now ... - NextBigFuture.com Gas Car Sales Collapsing in China Now and Will Collapse in Europe By 2025 Sales of new energy vehicles (NEVs), mainly electrics and hybrids, increased 35% to 653,000 units in March and 26% to 1,586,000 year to date (YTD). Fake sales taking advantage of investment programs. Look at the images in that video. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,475 DL August 16, 2023 10 hours ago, notsonice said: 8 million parked EV's in China???? what are you smoking today????? News out of China..... ICE vehicle sales have crashed in China........... China ICE sales will be halved again in 2024. New vehicle sales in China increased by almost 10% to 2,451,000 units in March 2023 from 2,234,000 in the same month of last year, according to passenger car and commercial vehicle wholesale data from the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers (CAAM).May 4, 2023 Gas Car Sales Collapsing in China Now ... - NextBigFuture.com Gas Car Sales Collapsing in China Now and Will Collapse in Europe By 2025 Sales of new energy vehicles (NEVs), mainly electrics and hybrids, increased 35% to 653,000 units in March and 26% to 1,586,000 year to date (YTD). Not what it seems. Hybrids are fossil fuel vehicles. "Deliveries of BEVs increased 14% to 1,152,000 units YTD while sales of hybrid vehicles surged 74% to 434,000." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,475 DL August 16, 2023 (edited) Gasoline sales are rising through the roof world-wide. Some countries have surpassed the 2019 pre-Covid levels. These countries are hotbeds for oil demand and gasoline demand. U.S., Germany,, France, Sweden, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Denmark, Netherlands, Austria, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, India, Philippines. https://anasalhajjieoa.substack.com/p/the-rise-in-global-gasoline-consumption Edited August 16, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE August 16, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Fake sales taking advantage of investment programs. Look at the images in that video. Inside China’s EV Graveyard: Journalist Debunks Allegations Against Carmakers (msn.com) Mostly debunked and FYI the same thing occurs with fossil fuel vehicles. There are loads of scrap VW's from when they lied about emission standards. Ever been to Tucson AZ? There are fields full of perfectly good, but now useless, mothballed airplanes. Edited August 16, 2023 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP August 16, 2023 On 8/10/2023 at 1:49 AM, Eyes Wide Open said: It's Complicated..... “Customer resistance:” Volkswagen cuts EV production as it fails to keep up with market Volkswagen is cutting shifts and production on its electric vehicle lines at its Emden plant in Germany despite surging June EV sales figures in Europe. The company says the production cuts are due to “strong customer reluctance” to buy their EVs. https://thedriven.io/2023/07/06/customer-resistance-volkswagen-cuts-ev-production-as-it-fails-to-keep-up-with-market/ Volkswagen BEV (battery electric vehicle) sales in Q1 2023: Europe: 98,300 (up 68.1%) US: 15,700 (up 98.0%) China: 21,500 (down 25.4%) Rest of the world: 5,600 (up 37.1%) Total: 141,000 (up 42.1% year-over-year) https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2023/05/gas-car-sales-collapsing-in-china-first-and-then-in-europe.html Hmmm not really telling us the full picture were you EWS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 August 16, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Volkswagen BEV (battery electric vehicle) sales in Q1 2023: Europe: 98,300 (up 68.1%) US: 15,700 (up 98.0%) China: 21,500 (down 25.4%) Rest of the world: 5,600 (up 37.1%) Total: 141,000 (up 42.1% year-over-year) https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2023/05/gas-car-sales-collapsing-in-china-first-and-then-in-europe.html Hmmm not really telling us the full picture were you EWS Agreed my bad..your illuminating old news, take note of the timelines. What a difference a day makes! Green Energy has broken the EU...No more Green For You! Odd a bit Freudian is it not. Strong customer reluctance’ forces Volkswagen to slash electric vehicle production German car maker to pause work at major factory and lay off 300 staff ByHoward Mustoe30 June 2023 • 11:20am https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/06/30/volkswagen-slashes-electric-vehicle-production/ EV sales collapse as subsidies and tax credits come to an abrupt halt posted by AJOT | Mar 01 2023 at 11:45 AM The global electric vehicle (EV) market is reeling from one of the most dramatic collapses in monthly sales to date, with Rystad Energy research showing that only 672,000 units were sold in January, almost half of December 2022 sales and a mere 3% year-on-year increase over January 2022. The EV market share among all passenger car sales also tumbled to 14% in January, well down on the 23% seen in December. https://www.ajot.com/news/ev-sales-collapse-as-subsidies-and-tax-credits-come-to-an-abrupt-halt#:~:text=The ramifications of this will,unlikely in the immediate future. Edited August 16, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 August 16, 2023 (edited) Ya Don't Say... EU electric vehicle sales jump 71% helped by subsidies Sales of EVs and hybrid cars - which have both a battery and combustion engine - have soared in the bloc in the last three years, boosted by government subsidies and corporate fleets looking for low- or zero-emission vehicle options. Reuters June 21, 20235:29 AM PDTUpdated 2 months ago https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/european-car-sales-rise-may-acea-2023-06-21/ Edited August 16, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE August 16, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ya Don't Say... EU electric vehicle sales jump 71% helped by subsidies Sales of EVs and hybrid cars - which have both a battery and combustion engine - have soared in the bloc in the last three years, boosted by government subsidies and corporate fleets looking for low- or zero-emission vehicle options. Reuters June 21, 20235:29 AM PDTUpdated 2 months ago https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/european-car-sales-rise-may-acea-2023-06-21/ You are now at least accepting the sales numbers are good. Just crying about the how and why. Remember when you were convinced trump won the last election? haha I'm pretty sure you now accept the loss but still cry about the how and why. Edited August 16, 2023 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE August 16, 2023 But, but, hunter biden laptop.... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 August 17, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, TailingsPond said: But, but, hunter biden laptop.... Indeed the plot thickens, lights are lowered...the second act begins. Comer Releases Third Bank Memo Detailing Payments to the Bidens from Russia, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine Toggle navigation Press ReleasePublished: Aug 9, 2023 Comer Releases Third Bank Memo Detailing Payments to the Bidens from Russia, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine WASHINGTON—House Committee on Oversight and Accountability Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) today released a third bank records memorandum detailing new information obtained in the Committee’s investigation into the Biden family’s influence peddling schemes. The memorandum outlines how the Bidens and their business associates received millions from oligarchs in Russia, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine during Joe Biden’s vice presidency. After Hunter Biden received millions of dollars in payments, then-Vice President Joe Biden dined with his son’s foreign associates in Washington, D.C. Devon Archer, Hunter Biden’s former business partner, recently testified that then-Vice President Joe Biden was “the brand” sold to enrich the Biden family and was used to send “signals” of access, power, and influence. “During Joe Biden’s vice presidency, Hunter Biden sold him as ‘the brand’ to reap millions from oligarchs in Kazakhstan, Russia, and Ukraine. It appears no real services were provided other than access to the Biden network, including Joe Biden himself. And Hunter Biden seems to have delivered. This is made clear by meals at Café Milano where then-Vice President Joe Biden dined with oligarchs from around the world who had sent money to his son,” said Chairman Comer. “It’s clear Joe Biden knew about his son’s business dealings and allowed himself to be ‘the brand’ sold to enrich the Biden family while he was Vice President of the United States. The House Oversight Committee will continue to follow the money trail and obtain witness testimony to determine whether foreign actors targeted the Bidens, President Biden is compromised or corrupt, and our national security is threatened.” Below is a summary of the third bank records memorandum. The full memorandum can be found here. Committee Staff is Releasing Payments from Russia, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine that Occurred During Joe Biden’s Vice Presidency: The Committee has now identified over $20 million in payments from foreign sources to the Biden family and their business associates. Hunter Biden and Devon Archer Used Rosemont Seneca Entities to Bring in Millions from Oligarchs in Europe and Asia: Using accounts nominally tied to Devon Archer (but using the familiar “Rosemont Seneca” branding), Hunter Biden received incremental payments originating from foreign sources, attempting to hide the source and size of the payments. In February 2014, a Russian Oligarch Sent $3.5 Million to a Shell Company Associated with Hunter Biden and Devon Archer: Russian billionaire Yelena Baturina transferred $3.5 million to Rosemont Seneca Thornton, a shell company. Approximately $1 million was transferred to Devon Archer, and the remainder was used to initially fund a new company account, Rosemont Seneca Bohai, which Devon Archer and Hunter Biden used to receive other foreign wires. https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-releases-third-bank-memo-detailing-payments-to-the-bidens-from-russia-kazakhstan-and-ukraine/ Edited August 17, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE August 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Indeed the plot thickens, lights are lowered...the second act begins. Called it. Follow the trump trials instead, they will happen sooner and be more entertaining. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 August 17, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Called it. Follow the trump trials instead, they will happen sooner and be more entertaining. I've stated many times the drama will be unparalleled, a little frumpy county prosecutor indicting a former president! And now this Barack Obama told ex, ‘I make love to men daily, but in the imagination,’ letter shows https://nypost.com/2023/08/12/barack-obama-told-ex-i-make-love-to-men-daily-but-in-the-imagination/ Edited August 17, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 710 August 17, 2023 On 8/15/2023 at 3:26 AM, Rob Plant said: Agreed Ron but the specific topic I was referring to from EWS was VW hence the post. OK, I agree that VW might become competitive but are you saying it is now? I am looking from the U.S. point of view. Will China ever be allowed to compete in the West? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 710 August 17, 2023 (edited) https://www.google.com/search?q=How+many+electric+cars+have+already+been+sold+in+the+u.s.a.&sca_esv=557690181&rlz=1CAVARX_enUS996US996&biw=1280&bih=644&sxsrf=AB5stBgHc8xq6SPkGRHFIAcf3uOwpD6GoQ%3A1692253114049&ei=urvdZI2_AqSoptQPrvCdkAg&ved=0ahUKEwiNhO6NhuOAAxUklIkEHS54B4IQ4dUDCBA&oq=How+many+electric+cars+have+already+been+sold+in+the+u.s.a.&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiO0hvdyBtYW55IGVsZWN0cmljIGNhcnMgaGF2ZSBhbHJlYWR5IGJlZW4gc29sZCBpbiB0aGUgdS5zLmEuMgUQIRigATIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKABMgUQIRigATIFECEYoAFIgYYCUKsUWLzUAXAJeACQAQCYAXygAfohqgEFMzAuMTa4AQzIAQD4AQHCAgoQABhHGNYEGLADwgIHECMYigUYJ8ICCBAAGIoFGJECwgIGEAAYFhgewgIFEAAYgATCAgoQABiABBgUGIcCwgIIEAAYigUYhgPCAgQQIxgnwgIHEAAYigUYQ8ICBRAhGKsCwgIIECEYFhgeGB3iAwQYACBBiAYBkAYI&sclient=gws-wiz-serp I forced chat GPT to give me an actual answer about how many EVs hav been sold in the USA. The predictions are very annoying. Chat GPT tells me how many ICE vehicles have been sold but is programmed to promote EVs. https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=557690181&rlz=1CAVARX_enUS996US996&sxsrf=AB5stBi3UL9a80xWJKYooTeUvI8EPdJbIA:1692253574258&q=How+many+ice+cars+have+already+been+sold+in+the+u.s.&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjJlKfph-OAAxU_k4kEHXwdBNoQBSgAegQICxAB&biw=1280&bih=644&dpr=1.5 Edited August 17, 2023 by Ron Wagner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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