Ecocharger + 1,473 DL October 22, 2023 On 10/20/2023 at 4:41 AM, Rob Plant said: Opec: What is it and what is happening to oil prices? Opec: What is it and what is happening to oil prices? - BBC News Maybe this will help you ECO Can you spot the word "cut" or "cuts" anywhere in this article? I bet you can many times, and it even explains why they are cutting production just for your reference. When world oil production increases, that is not a "cut" by any standard. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP October 23, 2023 ECO yes production is increasing but production in OPEC+ is being cut to artificially prop up the price. OPEC+ represents approx. 40% of world oil+ gas production. If OPEC+ weren't cutting production and market forces were left to play out then the oil price would be significantly lower. This you already know of course. Cuts are cuts whichever way you choose to spin it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL October 23, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Rob Plant said: ECO yes production is increasing but production in OPEC+ is being cut to artificially prop up the price. OPEC+ represents approx. 40% of world oil+ gas production. If OPEC+ weren't cutting production and market forces were left to play out then the oil price would be significantly lower. This you already know of course. Cuts are cuts whichever way you choose to spin it. What counts is world oil production, which is increasing in line with increased consumer and industrial demands. An increasing industry by any standard. An increase in supply is not a cut in supply...simple logic, old boy. Edited October 23, 2023 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Ron Wagner + 707 October 23, 2023 https://www.cars.com/articles/here-are-the-11-cheapest-electric-vehicles-you-can-buy-439849/ Such a deal! NOT! NEWS Here Are the 11 Cheapest Electric Vehicles You Can Buy Cars.com illustration by Paul Dolan Stay in the know Don’t miss out on the latest news, reviews and videos from our in-house experts. Get updates in your inbox. Email Subscribe By Cars.com Editors September 26, 2023 Share More Share Options So you’ve decided to take a gamble on an electric vehicle, but you’d like to keep the ante down for getting into the game. There are lots of good reasons not to spend the kids’ college fund on the fanciest, six-figure EV — namely, sending them to college. Related: Electric Vehicles: Understanding the Terminology You might be just looking for an efficient second car for city use or commuting in high occupancy vehicle lanes, where it makes little sense to pay top dollar for 400 miles of range when a 200-mile EV would serve your needs. Or you might have figured out (accurately) that by the time your new EV’s lease or loan is finished, a wider selection of EVs with much improved technology will be available. Or the higher-than-expected cost to install Level 2 home charging, all but essential to owning an EV, might have shrunk your budget for the car itself. Whatever your reasons, there are EVs available now that won’t break the bank, though they’re generally still more expensive than comparable gasoline vehicles. Note that availability can be relative for EVs. Some are sold only in certain states, while others require a reservation for delivery weeks or months later. Below are 11 of the cheapest EVs you can buy, listed by starting price (including destination). The list features all-electric cars only; plug-in hybrid and fuel-cell models are excluded. Prices do not include the federal government’s tax credit, nor any state or local subsidies. Of note, the federal subsidy has changed considerably as of Jan. 1, and additional guidelines for vehicle eligibility based on battery and materials sourcing were announced recently; read our latest coverage here. The IRS provides a list of automakers and vehicles that are currently eligible for the credit, including the two most affordable EVs on sale today: the Chevrolet Bolt EV and Bolt EUV. Chevrolet Bolt EV, Bolt EUV 2022 Chevrolet Bolt EUV | Manufacturer image Starting price: $27,495 EPA-estimated range: 247-259 miles Following a notable price cut in late 2022, GM raised prices slightly on the 2023 Chevrolet Bolt EV and Bolt EUV. The automaker also recently announced that the pair will be discontinued at the end of the year Although their days are numbered, for now, the Bolts still claim the top two spots among the most affordable all-electric vehicles you can buy, with a starting price of $27,495 for the Bolt EV. Parent automaker GM also offers to help buyers with the cost to install a 240-volt home charger when they purchase or lease a new 2022 or 2023 Bolt EV or Bolt EUV from a qualifying Chevrolet dealer. Other than the pricing update, the 2023 models are largely unchanged from the 2022s that got freshened looks. The biggest styling change for the 2022 Bolt EV is a more upright front end that has “high-eye” daytime running lights and turn signals with headlights lower down. Inside, it has new seats and a new instrument panel with a standard 10.2-inch touchscreen and available 8-inch gauge display. A new shifter design uses toggles and buttons. Most safety tech is standard, landing the Bolts among the top EVs for the best value in 2023. The pair offers rear cross-traffic alert, a 360-degree camera system and adaptive cruise control as optional. DC fast-charging capability is now standard, and the Bolt EV also comes with a dual-level charge cord that can be used with a 120-volt household outlet or a more powerful 240-volt home outlet, such as what you might find for a clothes dryer. The Bolt powertrain carries over with a 65-kilowatt-hour battery and 200-horsepower electric motor. The Bolt EUV, which debuted for 2022, shares the same platform and powertrain, but with about 6 inches more length, more space and slightly less range for a bit more money. Although the two Bolts look similar, Chevy says they share no exterior sheet metal. Interior styling and features are similar, but the EUV is the first Chevy to offer GM’s Super Cruise driver-assist tech for hands-free driving on compatible roads; it’s a $2,200 option and only available on the more expensive trim level, Premier. Like the Bolt EV, the EUV has a standard fast-charging capability and dual-level charge cord. See the models compared. Nissan Leaf 2023 Nissan Leaf | Cars.com photo by Christian Lantry Starting price: $29,135 EPA-estimated range: 149-212 miles The 2023 Nissan Leaf is a small four-door hatchback and was one of the first fully electric vehicles available nationwide when it rolled out in the U.S. as a 2011 model. Over the years, it has improved with more range and added safety tech; it also got a longer-range sibling, the Leaf Plus, with a bigger battery. For 2023, the Leaf gets some minor styling tweaks, and its lineup is simplified to a standard-range Leaf S and longer-range Leaf SV Plus. The standard-range Leaf has a 40-kWh battery, a modest 147-hp electric motor and an EPA-rated 149 miles of range. The interior has few frills but does have a standard 8-inch touchscreen with navigation, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. The Leaf SV Plus, meanwhile, has a 62-kWh battery, a significant range boost to 212 miles and a more livable 214-hp motor. Mini Cooper SE Hardtop 2022 Mini Cooper SE Hardtop | Manufacturer image Starting price: $31,895 EPA-estimated range: 114 miles Once the cheapest EV in America, the Mini Cooper SE Hardtop — a two-door, four-seat hatchback — has been undercut by a few competitors. The Mini has relatively limited range but plenty of miles for daily commuting use. With its sporty looks and driving manners, 181-hp electric motor (good for 0-60 mph in 6.9 seconds) and small size, the Cooper SE Hardtop could appeal to shoppers looking for a fun urban runabout or second car. And while range is limited, Mini says the 32.6-kWh battery can be charged with 7.4 kilowatts of AC capacity in about four hours on a Level 2 home or public charger. For 2024, Mini has reintroduced the base Classic trim for the SE Hardtop with a more affordable starting price over the outgoing model year. In addition to the new base trim, the SE offers two higher trim levels plus a range of personalization options. Hyundai Kona Electric 2022 Hyundai Kona EV | Cars.com photo by Christian Lantry Starting price: $34,885 EPA-estimated range: 258 miles This four-door subcompact SUV is mostly similar in styling and interior layout to the gasoline Hyundai Kona: It’s comfortable in front, but tight in the backseat and cargo area. The Kona Electric has a 201-hp electric motor driving the front wheels, a 64-kWh battery and DC fast-charging capability that can go from 10% to 80% charge in as little as 47 minutes. The Kona line was freshened for 2022, and the Kona Electric got its own styling updates and wheels, plus interior changes that include a 10.25-inch touchscreen, a 10.25-inch instrument display and a redesigned center console with wireless charging capability. For 2023, the Kona Electric carries over largely unchanged. The Kona Electric is offered at dealers in a limited number of states, primarily those with required targets for zero-emission vehicle sales. Mazda MX-30 2022 Mazda MX-30 | Cars.com photo by Christian Lantry Starting price: $35,485 EPA-estimated range: 100 miles Mazda’s first full EV sold in the U.S., the MX-30, went on sale in California in October 2021, with a national rollout in the works “over the coming years,” the automaker said at the time; unfortunately for the SUV-like hatchback, the company reversed course in late July and announced its discontinuation stateside by the end of 2023. The car sports a coupelike roof design with rear-hinged half doors and minimalist interior. Inside, environmentally friendly materials include cork in the center console, animal-free upholstery and recycled plastic bottle fibers for the door trim. The electric motor makes 144 hp and 200 pounds-feet of torque and draws power from a 35.5-kWh battery driving the front wheels; AWD isn’t offered. Overall range of just 100 miles is underwhelming even among affordable EVs like the Leaf and Bolts, but Mazda throws in a few other perks, such as a preset number of complimentary loaner vehicles for road trips and $500 in ChargePoint credits for public charging or toward the installation of a Level 2 home charger. Volkswagen ID.4 2023 Volkswagen ID.4 | Manufacturer image Starting price: $40,290 EPA-estimated range: 209-275 miles The Volkswagen ID.4 is a small SUV that’s fairly roomy for its size. It’s also one of the more fun-to-drive and smooth-riding mainstream EVs, though the bar is pretty low on ride quality for EVs. City drivers also will appreciate a notably tight 33.6-foot turning diameter. The interior has a clean design and decent quality, though part of the design involves touch-sensitive controls we found frustrating to use. A 10-inch touchscreen is standard, with 12 inches optional. Cars.com’s independent testing of cargo capacity determined there’s 18.9 cubic feet behind the backseat, more than in the Ford Mustang Mach-E but notably less than in the Tesla Model Y. The 2023 model adds a Standard trim with a smaller, 62-kWh battery pack that also costs thousands less than models with larger batteries. The base model gets an EPA-rated 209 miles of range; range increases in ID.4s with larger batteries. The RWD ID.4 Pro has an 82-kWh battery and 201-hp electric motor, with modest acceleration and an EPA-rated range of 275 miles. The higher-level ID.4 Pro S trim pairs more standard features with the same battery and motor. A dual-motor AWD option with 295 hp and up to 2,700 pounds of towing capability is available, though range also drops to 255 miles for the Pro and Pro S. DC fast charging up to 135 kW is standard, and buyers also get three years of free fast charging (in 30-minute increments) at Electrify America stations. Kia Niro EV 2023 Kia Niro EV | Cars.com photo by Joe Bruzek Starting price: $40,875 EPA-estimated range: 253 miles Kia’s Niro EV is part of a line of electrified-only hatchbacks that also includes hybrid and plug-in hybrid versions, all of which received a full redesign for the 2023 model year. The 2023 Niro EV uses the same architecture as its predecessor, with standard front-wheel drive, a 64.8-kWh battery pack and a 201-hp motor to achieve an estimated maximum range of 253 miles. To get the price listed above, buyers should look for the base Niro Wind; the loaded trim is the Wave. Tesla Model 3 2022 Tesla Model 3 | Manufacturer image Starting price: $41,630 EPA-estimated range: 272-358 miles Tesla’s Model 3 sedan is the smallest vehicle in its lineup and, unsurprisingly, also its cheapest. Perhaps more than any other, it’s the Texas-based automaker that disregards conventional standards of updates by model year, but performance for the RWD base and dual-motor AWD Performance and Long Range versions for 2023 remains: up to 272 miles for the base, 315 miles for the Performance and up to 358 miles for the Long Range (range estimates vary by wheel size). The Full Self Driving feature made its return as a feature in June 2022, but the most significant change to the Model 3 for 2023 might be the recent price fluctuations that also apply to most of Tesla’s lineup. Hyundai Ioniq 6 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 6 | Cars.com photo by Aaron Bragman Starting price: $42,715 EPA-estimated range: 240-361 miles The latest addition to Hyundai’s all-electric Ioniq sub-brand, the 2023 Ioniq 6 sedan joins its Ioniq 5 SUV stablemate and becomes the newest rival for the Tesla Model 3. The Ioniq 6 offers the choice of a standard- or long-range variant with standard RWD or available AWD. While the long-range model boasts up to 361 miles of range compared to just 240 miles for the standard-range variant, it’s the base SE Standard Range trim that makes this list. The base model is powered by a 53-kWh battery and gets a single motor RWD setup for 149 hp; meanwhile, its long-range counterpart offers a larger 77.4-kWh battery and has available dual-motor AWD for up to 320 hp. Hyundai Ioniq 5 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 5 | Cars.com photo by Christian Lantry Starting price: $42,785 EPA-estimated range: 220-303 miles (estimated) The Hyundai Ioniq 5 has specs similar to the Kia EV6 (Kia and Hyundai are affiliated automakers). That includes a similar choice of standard- or long-range battery packs and either RWD or AWD, though the Ioniq 5 has both slightly lower range estimates and a lower price than the EV6. It, too, can use 350-kW DC fast charging and also includes vehicle-to-load capabilities. For 2023, Hyundai improved the range of AWD Ioniq 5s to 266 from 256 miles, increased the maximum towing capacity for most models to 2,300 pounds from 1,650 and added a battery preconditioning feature. More From Cars.com: Your Guide to EV Batteries: Premature Death, Range Loss and Preservation Leased and Used Electric Vehicles Now Qualify for Federal Tax Credits Here Are the New Electric Vehicles Planned by 2026 Top 10 Most Efficient Electric Cars What’s New With Electric Vehicles for 2023? What It Cost to Outfit 6 Homes With EV Chargers How to Find EV Charging Stations More EV News Related Video: Cars.com’s Editorial department is your source for automotive news and reviews. In line with Cars.com’s long-standing ethics policy, editors and reviewers don’t accept gifts or free trips from automakers. The Editorial department is independent of Cars.com’s advertising, sales and sponsored content departments. 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TailingsPond + 1,007 GE October 24, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: https://www.cars.com/articles/here-are-the-11-cheapest-electric-vehicles-you-can-buy-439849/ Such a deal! NOT! NEWS Here Are the 11 Cheapest Electric Vehicles You Can Buy Cars.com illustration by Paul Dolan Stay in the know Don’t miss out on the latest news, reviews and videos from our in-house experts. Get updates in your inbox. Email Subscribe By Cars.com Editors September 26, 2023 Share More Share Options So you’ve decided to take a gamble on an electric vehicle, but you’d like to keep the ante down for getting into the game. There are lots of good reasons not to spend the kids’ college fund on the fanciest, six-figure EV — namely, sending them to college. Related: Electric Vehicles: Understanding the Terminology You might be just looking for an efficient second car for city use or commuting in high occupancy vehicle lanes, where it makes little sense to pay top dollar for 400 miles of range when a 200-mile EV would serve your needs. Or you might have figured out (accurately) that by the time your new EV’s lease or loan is finished, a wider selection of EVs with much improved technology will be available. Or the higher-than-expected cost to install Level 2 home charging, all but essential to owning an EV, might have shrunk your budget for the car itself. Whatever your reasons, there are EVs available now that won’t break the bank, though they’re generally still more expensive than comparable gasoline vehicles. Note that availability can be relative for EVs. Some are sold only in certain states, while others require a reservation for delivery weeks or months later. Below are 11 of the cheapest EVs you can buy, listed by starting price (including destination). The list features all-electric cars only; plug-in hybrid and fuel-cell models are excluded. Prices do not include the federal government’s tax credit, nor any state or local subsidies. Of note, the federal subsidy has changed considerably as of Jan. 1, and additional guidelines for vehicle eligibility based on battery and materials sourcing were announced recently; read our latest coverage here. The IRS provides a list of automakers and vehicles that are currently eligible for the credit, including the two most affordable EVs on sale today: the Chevrolet Bolt EV and Bolt EUV. Chevrolet Bolt EV, Bolt EUV 2022 Chevrolet Bolt EUV | Manufacturer image Starting price: $27,495 EPA-estimated range: 247-259 miles Following a notable price cut in late 2022, GM raised prices slightly on the 2023 Chevrolet Bolt EV and Bolt EUV. The automaker also recently announced that the pair will be discontinued at the end of the year Although their days are numbered, for now, the Bolts still claim the top two spots among the most affordable all-electric vehicles you can buy, with a starting price of $27,495 for the Bolt EV. Parent automaker GM also offers to help buyers with the cost to install a 240-volt home charger when they purchase or lease a new 2022 or 2023 Bolt EV or Bolt EUV from a qualifying Chevrolet dealer. Other than the pricing update, the 2023 models are largely unchanged from the 2022s that got freshened looks. The biggest styling change for the 2022 Bolt EV is a more upright front end that has “high-eye” daytime running lights and turn signals with headlights lower down. Inside, it has new seats and a new instrument panel with a standard 10.2-inch touchscreen and available 8-inch gauge display. A new shifter design uses toggles and buttons. Most safety tech is standard, landing the Bolts among the top EVs for the best value in 2023. The pair offers rear cross-traffic alert, a 360-degree camera system and adaptive cruise control as optional. DC fast-charging capability is now standard, and the Bolt EV also comes with a dual-level charge cord that can be used with a 120-volt household outlet or a more powerful 240-volt home outlet, such as what you might find for a clothes dryer. The Bolt powertrain carries over with a 65-kilowatt-hour battery and 200-horsepower electric motor. The Bolt EUV, which debuted for 2022, shares the same platform and powertrain, but with about 6 inches more length, more space and slightly less range for a bit more money. Although the two Bolts look similar, Chevy says they share no exterior sheet metal. Interior styling and features are similar, but the EUV is the first Chevy to offer GM’s Super Cruise driver-assist tech for hands-free driving on compatible roads; it’s a $2,200 option and only available on the more expensive trim level, Premier. Like the Bolt EV, the EUV has a standard fast-charging capability and dual-level charge cord. See the models compared. Nissan Leaf 2023 Nissan Leaf | Cars.com photo by Christian Lantry Starting price: $29,135 EPA-estimated range: 149-212 miles The 2023 Nissan Leaf is a small four-door hatchback and was one of the first fully electric vehicles available nationwide when it rolled out in the U.S. as a 2011 model. Over the years, it has improved with more range and added safety tech; it also got a longer-range sibling, the Leaf Plus, with a bigger battery. For 2023, the Leaf gets some minor styling tweaks, and its lineup is simplified to a standard-range Leaf S and longer-range Leaf SV Plus. The standard-range Leaf has a 40-kWh battery, a modest 147-hp electric motor and an EPA-rated 149 miles of range. The interior has few frills but does have a standard 8-inch touchscreen with navigation, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. The Leaf SV Plus, meanwhile, has a 62-kWh battery, a significant range boost to 212 miles and a more livable 214-hp motor. Mini Cooper SE Hardtop 2022 Mini Cooper SE Hardtop | Manufacturer image Starting price: $31,895 EPA-estimated range: 114 miles Once the cheapest EV in America, the Mini Cooper SE Hardtop — a two-door, four-seat hatchback — has been undercut by a few competitors. The Mini has relatively limited range but plenty of miles for daily commuting use. With its sporty looks and driving manners, 181-hp electric motor (good for 0-60 mph in 6.9 seconds) and small size, the Cooper SE Hardtop could appeal to shoppers looking for a fun urban runabout or second car. And while range is limited, Mini says the 32.6-kWh battery can be charged with 7.4 kilowatts of AC capacity in about four hours on a Level 2 home or public charger. For 2024, Mini has reintroduced the base Classic trim for the SE Hardtop with a more affordable starting price over the outgoing model year. In addition to the new base trim, the SE offers two higher trim levels plus a range of personalization options. Hyundai Kona Electric 2022 Hyundai Kona EV | Cars.com photo by Christian Lantry Starting price: $34,885 EPA-estimated range: 258 miles This four-door subcompact SUV is mostly similar in styling and interior layout to the gasoline Hyundai Kona: It’s comfortable in front, but tight in the backseat and cargo area. The Kona Electric has a 201-hp electric motor driving the front wheels, a 64-kWh battery and DC fast-charging capability that can go from 10% to 80% charge in as little as 47 minutes. The Kona line was freshened for 2022, and the Kona Electric got its own styling updates and wheels, plus interior changes that include a 10.25-inch touchscreen, a 10.25-inch instrument display and a redesigned center console with wireless charging capability. For 2023, the Kona Electric carries over largely unchanged. The Kona Electric is offered at dealers in a limited number of states, primarily those with required targets for zero-emission vehicle sales. Mazda MX-30 2022 Mazda MX-30 | Cars.com photo by Christian Lantry Starting price: $35,485 EPA-estimated range: 100 miles Mazda’s first full EV sold in the U.S., the MX-30, went on sale in California in October 2021, with a national rollout in the works “over the coming years,” the automaker said at the time; unfortunately for the SUV-like hatchback, the company reversed course in late July and announced its discontinuation stateside by the end of 2023. The car sports a coupelike roof design with rear-hinged half doors and minimalist interior. Inside, environmentally friendly materials include cork in the center console, animal-free upholstery and recycled plastic bottle fibers for the door trim. The electric motor makes 144 hp and 200 pounds-feet of torque and draws power from a 35.5-kWh battery driving the front wheels; AWD isn’t offered. Overall range of just 100 miles is underwhelming even among affordable EVs like the Leaf and Bolts, but Mazda throws in a few other perks, such as a preset number of complimentary loaner vehicles for road trips and $500 in ChargePoint credits for public charging or toward the installation of a Level 2 home charger. Volkswagen ID.4 2023 Volkswagen ID.4 | Manufacturer image Starting price: $40,290 EPA-estimated range: 209-275 miles The Volkswagen ID.4 is a small SUV that’s fairly roomy for its size. It’s also one of the more fun-to-drive and smooth-riding mainstream EVs, though the bar is pretty low on ride quality for EVs. City drivers also will appreciate a notably tight 33.6-foot turning diameter. The interior has a clean design and decent quality, though part of the design involves touch-sensitive controls we found frustrating to use. A 10-inch touchscreen is standard, with 12 inches optional. Cars.com’s independent testing of cargo capacity determined there’s 18.9 cubic feet behind the backseat, more than in the Ford Mustang Mach-E but notably less than in the Tesla Model Y. The 2023 model adds a Standard trim with a smaller, 62-kWh battery pack that also costs thousands less than models with larger batteries. The base model gets an EPA-rated 209 miles of range; range increases in ID.4s with larger batteries. The RWD ID.4 Pro has an 82-kWh battery and 201-hp electric motor, with modest acceleration and an EPA-rated range of 275 miles. The higher-level ID.4 Pro S trim pairs more standard features with the same battery and motor. A dual-motor AWD option with 295 hp and up to 2,700 pounds of towing capability is available, though range also drops to 255 miles for the Pro and Pro S. DC fast charging up to 135 kW is standard, and buyers also get three years of free fast charging (in 30-minute increments) at Electrify America stations. Kia Niro EV 2023 Kia Niro EV | Cars.com photo by Joe Bruzek Starting price: $40,875 EPA-estimated range: 253 miles Kia’s Niro EV is part of a line of electrified-only hatchbacks that also includes hybrid and plug-in hybrid versions, all of which received a full redesign for the 2023 model year. The 2023 Niro EV uses the same architecture as its predecessor, with standard front-wheel drive, a 64.8-kWh battery pack and a 201-hp motor to achieve an estimated maximum range of 253 miles. To get the price listed above, buyers should look for the base Niro Wind; the loaded trim is the Wave. Tesla Model 3 2022 Tesla Model 3 | Manufacturer image Starting price: $41,630 EPA-estimated range: 272-358 miles Tesla’s Model 3 sedan is the smallest vehicle in its lineup and, unsurprisingly, also its cheapest. Perhaps more than any other, it’s the Texas-based automaker that disregards conventional standards of updates by model year, but performance for the RWD base and dual-motor AWD Performance and Long Range versions for 2023 remains: up to 272 miles for the base, 315 miles for the Performance and up to 358 miles for the Long Range (range estimates vary by wheel size). The Full Self Driving feature made its return as a feature in June 2022, but the most significant change to the Model 3 for 2023 might be the recent price fluctuations that also apply to most of Tesla’s lineup. Hyundai Ioniq 6 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 6 | Cars.com photo by Aaron Bragman Starting price: $42,715 EPA-estimated range: 240-361 miles The latest addition to Hyundai’s all-electric Ioniq sub-brand, the 2023 Ioniq 6 sedan joins its Ioniq 5 SUV stablemate and becomes the newest rival for the Tesla Model 3. The Ioniq 6 offers the choice of a standard- or long-range variant with standard RWD or available AWD. While the long-range model boasts up to 361 miles of range compared to just 240 miles for the standard-range variant, it’s the base SE Standard Range trim that makes this list. The base model is powered by a 53-kWh battery and gets a single motor RWD setup for 149 hp; meanwhile, its long-range counterpart offers a larger 77.4-kWh battery and has available dual-motor AWD for up to 320 hp. Hyundai Ioniq 5 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 5 | Cars.com photo by Christian Lantry Starting price: $42,785 EPA-estimated range: 220-303 miles (estimated) The Hyundai Ioniq 5 has specs similar to the Kia EV6 (Kia and Hyundai are affiliated automakers). That includes a similar choice of standard- or long-range battery packs and either RWD or AWD, though the Ioniq 5 has both slightly lower range estimates and a lower price than the EV6. It, too, can use 350-kW DC fast charging and also includes vehicle-to-load capabilities. For 2023, Hyundai improved the range of AWD Ioniq 5s to 266 from 256 miles, increased the maximum towing capacity for most models to 2,300 pounds from 1,650 and added a battery preconditioning feature. More From Cars.com: Your Guide to EV Batteries: Premature Death, Range Loss and Preservation Leased and Used Electric Vehicles Now Qualify for Federal Tax Credits Here Are the New Electric Vehicles Planned by 2026 Top 10 Most Efficient Electric Cars What’s New With Electric Vehicles for 2023? What It Cost to Outfit 6 Homes With EV Chargers How to Find EV Charging Stations More EV News Related Video: Cars.com’s Editorial department is your source for automotive news and reviews. In line with Cars.com’s long-standing ethics policy, editors and reviewers don’t accept gifts or free trips from automakers. The Editorial department is independent of Cars.com’s advertising, sales and sponsored content departments. Latest news Mini Releases More Details on Electric 2025 Countryman October 23, 2023 How Does the United Auto Workers Union Strike Affect Shoppers? October 23, 2023 2024 GMC Sierra 1500 AT4X AEV Edition Quick Spin: GMC’s Goldilocks Overlander? 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By Fred Meier October 13, 2023 Latest expert reviews EXPERT REVIEW 2024 Kia Seltos Review: Better Than Ever By Brian Normile Road Test Editor EXPERT REVIEW 2024 Rolls-Royce Spectre Review: Eco-Conscious Excess Never Felt So Good By Aaron Bragman Detroit Bureau Chief EXPERT REVIEW 2023 Jeep Compass Quick Spin: New Engine Sends SUV in the Wrong Direction http://carsdotcom.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/jennifer-geiger-headshot-purple-sq-about-us.jpg By Jennifer Geiger News Editor Buying & Selling Find a Car Find a Dealer Listings by City Certified Pre-Owned Car Payment Calculators Car Reviews & Ratings Compare Side by Side Fraud Awareness Sell Your Car Explore Our Brand NewCars.com DealerRater For Dealers Dealer Login GrowWithCars.com FUEL Dealer Inspire DealerRater Accu-Trade Our Company About Cars.com Contact Cars.com Investor Relations Careers Licensing & Reprints Site Map Feedback Our Mobile App Connect With Us Terms & Conditions of Use Privacy Notice California Privacy Notice My Privacy Choices Accessibility Statement Ad Choices © 2023 Cars.com. 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Rob Plant + 2,756 RP October 24, 2023 It will be interesting to see if the US allow BYD to sell into the USA at their usual market price or whether they'll put loads of import duties on their cars. Ron its still early days for many auto manufacturers and many new models will be hitting the showrooms. Please note fuel and service costs are a lot cheaper annually than an ICE vehicle so you have to factor that in to the total price over the expected lifespan of your vehicle and that will be individual preference. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM October 24, 2023 e-car-sales-collapse?????? only in a Luddite's dreamworld https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/q3-2023-ev-sales/ Another Quarter, Another Record: EV Sales in the U.S. Surpass 300,000 in Q3, as Tesla Share of EV Segment Tumbles to 50% Thursday October 12, 2023 Electric vehicle (EV) sales volumes set another record in Q3, as total sales of battery-powered vehicles jumped past 300,000 for the first time in the U.S. market. Year-to-date EV sales through September reached just over 873,000, putting the market firmly on track to surpass 1 million for the first time ever. The milestone will likely be achieved in November. Total EV sales in Q3, according to an estimate from Kelley Blue Book, hit 313,086, a 49.8% increase from the same period one year ago and an increase from the 298,039 sold in Q2. Most automakers posted sizeable gains over 2022, with Volvo, Nissan, Mercedes and Hyundai delivering increases above 200%, thanks mostly to new products entering the market. In Q3, 14 new EV models that did not exist one year ago were in the mix, including Chevrolet Blazer and Silverado EVs. (The new Chevy EVs had very low sales – just an initial few to mark a Q3 launch). The EV market is transforming, to be sure. Electric vehicle sales accounted for 7.9% of total industry sales in Q3, a record and up from 6.1% a year ago and 7.2% in Q2. As Cox Automotive has been reporting, higher inventory levels, more product availability, and downward pricing pressure have helped spur continued linear growth of EV sales in the U.S. market. EV sales have now increased for 13 straight quarters. EV transaction prices in Q3 were down significantly from 2022. In an attempt to increase sales volume, Tesla slashed prices, which are now down roughly 25% year over year. The price cuts have helped, as Tesla’s Q3 sales grew by 19.5% year over year, surpassing the industry’s overall growth rate of 16.3%. However, Tesla’s share of the EV segment continues to plunge, hitting 50% in Q3, the lowest level on record and down from 62% in Q1. The long-promised Cybertruck may reverse the downward trend, although competition from Ford, Rivian and Chevrolet will likely impact Tesla’s electric pickup volume potential. The German luxury makes – Audi, BMW, and Mercedes – continue to rapidly increase sales of EV models. In Q3, BMW and Mercedes EV sales more than triple year-ago levels, while Audi posted an EV sales gain of 94%. Among automakers selling internal combustion engine (ICE) and EV products, Audi, BMW and Volvo had the richest mix of EVs in Q3. BMW had the highest proportion, with over 15% of its sales being EVs, followed by Audi and Volvo, with over 12% of their sales being EVs, according to Kelley Blue Book estimates. Mercedes, Porsche and VW all had an EV mix in excess of 10% last quarter. Q3 EV SHARE OF TOTAL BRAND SALES In 2020, just three years back, EV sales in the U.S. passed 250,000 for the first time. This year, the market will jump past 1 million. In Q3, Tesla remains the undisputed leader in EV sales, with Ford a distant #2 on the list, selling just over 20,000 EVs. Most analysts expect a flood of new EVs in the coming three years, with the number of available EV products likely to double by 2027. With this changing landscape, EV sales volume growth in the U.S. is expected to continue. Of late, product availability has grown exponentially, while consumer acceptance has grown in a more linear fashion. Those trends will likely continue, making for some very interesting market dynamics in the years ahead. Change is never easy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL October 25, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Rob Plant said: It will be interesting to see if the US allow BYD to sell into the USA at their usual market price or whether they'll put loads of import duties on their cars. Ron its still early days for many auto manufacturers and many new models will be hitting the showrooms. Please note fuel and service costs are a lot cheaper annually than an ICE vehicle so you have to factor that in to the total price over the expected lifespan of your vehicle and that will be individual preference. It looks like EV sales have stalled in both America and the UK and there are no signs that this situation will reverse going forward. Edited October 25, 2023 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM October 25, 2023 14 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: It looks like EV sales have stalled in both America and the UK and there are no signs that this situation will reverse going forward. stalled....only when you do not pay attention to reality Enjoy the boom in EV Sales in the good ole USA https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/q3-2023-ev-sales/ Another Quarter, Another Record: EV Sales in the U.S. Surpass 300,000 in Q3, as Tesla Share of EV Segment Tumbles to 50% Thursday October 12, 2023 Electric vehicle (EV) sales volumes set another record in Q3, as total sales of battery-powered vehicles jumped past 300,000 for the first time in the U.S. market. Year-to-date EV sales through September reached just over 873,000, putting the market firmly on track to surpass 1 million for the first time ever. The milestone will likely be achieved in November. Total EV sales in Q3, according to an estimate from Kelley Blue Book, hit 313,086, a 49.8% increase from the same period one year ago and an increase from the 298,039 sold in Q2. Most automakers posted sizeable gains over 2022, with Volvo, Nissan, Mercedes and Hyundai delivering increases above 200%, thanks mostly to new products entering the market. In Q3, 14 new EV models that did not exist one year ago were in the mix, including Chevrolet Blazer and Silverado EVs. (The new Chevy EVs had very low sales – just an initial few to mark a Q3 launch). The EV market is transforming, to be sure. Electric vehicle sales accounted for 7.9% of total industry sales in Q3, a record and up from 6.1% a year ago and 7.2% in Q2. As Cox Automotive has been reporting, higher inventory levels, more product availability, and downward pricing pressure have helped spur continued linear growth of EV sales in the U.S. market. EV sales have now increased for 13 straight quarters. EV transaction prices in Q3 were down significantly from 2022. In an attempt to increase sales volume, Tesla slashed prices, which are now down roughly 25% year over year. The price cuts have helped, as Tesla’s Q3 sales grew by 19.5% year over year, surpassing the industry’s overall growth rate of 16.3%. However, Tesla’s share of the EV segment continues to plunge, hitting 50% in Q3, the lowest level on record and down from 62% in Q1. The long-promised Cybertruck may reverse the downward trend, although competition from Ford, Rivian and Chevrolet will likely impact Tesla’s electric pickup volume potential. The German luxury makes – Audi, BMW, and Mercedes – continue to rapidly increase sales of EV models. In Q3, BMW and Mercedes EV sales more than triple year-ago levels, while Audi posted an EV sales gain of 94%. Among automakers selling internal combustion engine (ICE) and EV products, Audi, BMW and Volvo had the richest mix of EVs in Q3. BMW had the highest proportion, with over 15% of its sales being EVs, followed by Audi and Volvo, with over 12% of their sales being EVs, according to Kelley Blue Book estimates. Mercedes, Porsche and VW all had an EV mix in excess of 10% last quarter. Q3 EV SHARE OF TOTAL BRAND SALES In 2020, just three years back, EV sales in the U.S. passed 250,000 for the first time. This year, the market will jump past 1 million. In Q3, Tesla remains the undisputed leader in EV sales, with Ford a distant #2 on the list, selling just over 20,000 EVs. Most analysts expect a flood of new EVs in the coming three years, with the number of available EV products likely to double by 2027. With this changing landscape, EV sales volume growth in the U.S. is expected to continue. Of late, product availability has grown exponentially, while consumer acceptance has grown in a more linear fashion. Those trends will likely continue, making for some very interesting market dynamics in the years ahead. Change is never easy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP October 25, 2023 7 hours ago, Ecocharger said: It looks like EV sales have stalled in both America and the UK and there are no signs that this situation will reverse going forward. Sigh No they havent! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Ecocharger + 1,473 DL October 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, Rob Plant said: Sigh No they havent! We looked at the numbers, they have. Personal sales of EVs have dropped in absolute numbers. EV sales have lost market share relative to fossil fuel vehicles. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM October 25, 2023 26 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: We looked at the numbers, they have. Personal sales of EVs have dropped in absolute numbers. EV sales have lost market share relative to fossil fuel vehicles. once again you are proven wrong Electric vehicle sales accounted for 7.9% of total industry sales in Q3, a record and up from 6.1% a year ago and 7.2% in Q2 both in total numbers and as a percentage Can you Read??????? Enjoy the boom in EV Sales in the good ole USA https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/q3-2023-ev-sales/ Another Quarter, Another Record: EV Sales in the U.S. Surpass 300,000 in Q3, as Tesla Share of EV Segment Tumbles to 50% Thursday October 12, 2023 Electric vehicle (EV) sales volumes set another record in Q3, as total sales of battery-powered vehicles jumped past 300,000 for the first time in the U.S. market. Year-to-date EV sales through September reached just over 873,000, putting the market firmly on track to surpass 1 million for the first time ever. The milestone will likely be achieved in November. Total EV sales in Q3, according to an estimate from Kelley Blue Book, hit 313,086, a 49.8% increase from the same period one year ago and an increase from the 298,039 sold in Q2. Most automakers posted sizeable gains over 2022, with Volvo, Nissan, Mercedes and Hyundai delivering increases above 200%, thanks mostly to new products entering the market. In Q3, 14 new EV models that did not exist one year ago were in the mix, including Chevrolet Blazer and Silverado EVs. (The new Chevy EVs had very low sales – just an initial few to mark a Q3 launch). The EV market is transforming, to be sure. Electric vehicle sales accounted for 7.9% of total industry sales in Q3, a record and up from 6.1% a year ago and 7.2% in Q2. As Cox Automotive has been reporting, higher inventory levels, more product availability, and downward pricing pressure have helped spur continued linear growth of EV sales in the U.S. market. EV sales have now increased for 13 straight quarters. EV transaction prices in Q3 were down significantly from 2022. In an attempt to increase sales volume, Tesla slashed prices, which are now down roughly 25% year over year. The price cuts have helped, as Tesla’s Q3 sales grew by 19.5% year over year, surpassing the industry’s overall growth rate of 16.3%. However, Tesla’s share of the EV segment continues to plunge, hitting 50% in Q3, the lowest level on record and down from 62% in Q1. The long-promised Cybertruck may reverse the downward trend, although competition from Ford, Rivian and Chevrolet will likely impact Tesla’s electric pickup volume potential. The German luxury makes – Audi, BMW, and Mercedes – continue to rapidly increase sales of EV models. In Q3, BMW and Mercedes EV sales more than triple year-ago levels, while Audi posted an EV sales gain of 94%. Among automakers selling internal combustion engine (ICE) and EV products, Audi, BMW and Volvo had the richest mix of EVs in Q3. BMW had the highest proportion, with over 15% of its sales being EVs, followed by Audi and Volvo, with over 12% of their sales being EVs, according to Kelley Blue Book estimates. Mercedes, Porsche and VW all had an EV mix in excess of 10% last quarter. Q3 EV SHARE OF TOTAL BRAND SALES In 2020, just three years back, EV sales in the U.S. passed 250,000 for the first time. This year, the market will jump past 1 million. In Q3, Tesla remains the undisputed leader in EV sales, with Ford a distant #2 on the list, selling just over 20,000 EVs. Most analysts expect a flood of new EVs in the coming three years, with the number of available EV products likely to double by 2027. With this changing landscape, EV sales volume growth in the U.S. is expected to continue. Of late, product availability has grown exponentially, while consumer acceptance has grown in a more linear fashion. Those trends will likely continue, making for some very interesting market dynamics in the years ahead. Change is never easy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 October 25, 2023 (edited) Just another day in Green Paradise...go figure! Honda-GM Ditch $5B Plan To Jointly Develop Affordable EVs https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Honda-GM-Ditch-5B-Plan-To-Jointly-Develop-Affordable-EVs.html Edited October 25, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM October 25, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Just another day in Green Paradise...go figure! Honda-GM Ditch $5B Plan To Jointly Develop Affordable EVs https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Honda-GM-Ditch-5B-Plan-To-Jointly-Develop-Affordable-EVs.html GM????? they have way too high labor costs and and their Unions do not like cars with fewer parts....EVs are so much simpler to build and with much less parts (2000) The GM unions are on strike as they see the hand writing on the wall ....EV assemply needs 30 to 40 percent less labor than ICE vehicles and half of the maintenence and last twice as long GM of today is not going to exist much longer..... Honda is still moving forward ...from your own post..... Honda says it is sticking to its plans to go all-electric by 2040, despite withdrawal from the joint plans with GM. Enjoy the transition ....clunker cars and clunker companies are heading to the scrap yard....into the Green Paradise Hell for clunkers......todays clunkers....tommorows recycled steel Edited October 25, 2023 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,245 er October 25, 2023 49 minutes ago, notsonice said: GM????? they have way too high labor costs and and their Unions do not like cars with fewer parts....EVs are so much simpler to build and with much less parts (2000) The GM unions are on strike as they see the hand writing on the wall ....EV assemply needs 30 to 40 percent less labor than ICE vehicles and half of the maintenence and last twice as long GM of today is not going to exist much longer..... Honda is still moving forward ...from your own post..... Honda says it is sticking to its plans to go all-electric by 2040, despite withdrawal from the joint plans with GM. Enjoy the transition ....clunker cars and clunker companies are heading to the scrap yard....into the Green Paradise Hell for clunkers......todays clunkers....tommorows recycled steel You need change your name to notsosmart!! Need quit tokin' on the bowl there....... Without taxpayers paying, EV's would be near zero sales!!! But that chat is for another day. Your ignorance in the statements above show your biased and argumentative. Another ignorant Keyboard warrior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 October 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, notsonice said: GM????? they have way too high labor costs and and their Unions do not like cars with fewer parts....EVs are so much simpler to build and with much less parts (2000) The GM unions are on strike as they see the hand writing on the wall ....EV assemply needs 30 to 40 percent less labor than ICE vehicles and half of the maintenence and last twice as long GM of today is not going to exist much longer..... Honda is still moving forward ...from your own post..... Honda says it is sticking to its plans to go all-electric by 2040, despite withdrawal from the joint plans with GM. Enjoy the transition ....clunker cars and clunker companies are heading to the scrap yard....into the Green Paradise Hell for clunkers......todays clunkers....tommorows recycled steel Ya Don't say... Tesla joins GM, Ford in slowing EV factory ramp as demand fears spread By Abhirup Roy and Ben Klayman October 19, 20237:39 AM PDTUpdated 6 days ago SAN FRANCISCO, Oct 19 (Reuters) - Tesla (TSLA.O) on Wednesday joined General Motors (GM.N) and Ford (F.N) in being cautious about expanding electric vehicle (EV) production capacity, citing economic uncertainties and underscoring fears of a slowdown in demand. Tesla CEO Elon Musk said he was worried that higher borrowing costs would prevent potential customers from affording its vehicles despite substantial price cuts, and that he would wait for clarity on the economy before ramping up its planned factory in Mexico. EV startups Lucid (LCID.O) and Rivian (RIVN.O) were also both lower Thursday, losing more than 3% each. Lucid on Tuesday reported a near 30% plunge in third-quarter production and only a marginal increase in deliveries despite big discounts, raising worries about demand for its Air luxury sedan. Rivian, which makes electric pickup trucks and sport utility vehicles, also disappointed investors this month when it shied away from raising its full-year production forecast despite stronger-than-expected third-quarter numbers. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-joins-gm-ford-slowing-ev-factory-ramp-demand-fears-spread-2023-10-19/ Edited October 25, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM October 25, 2023 13 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ya Don't say... Tesla joins GM, Ford in slowing EV factory ramp as demand fears spread By Abhirup Roy and Ben Klayman October 19, 20237:39 AM PDTUpdated 6 days ago SAN FRANCISCO, Oct 19 (Reuters) - Tesla (TSLA.O) on Wednesday joined General Motors (GM.N) and Ford (F.N) in being cautious about expanding electric vehicle (EV) production capacity, citing economic uncertainties and underscoring fears of a slowdown in demand. Tesla CEO Elon Musk said he was worried that higher borrowing costs would prevent potential customers from affording its vehicles despite substantial price cuts, and that he would wait for clarity on the economy before ramping up its planned factory in Mexico. EV startups Lucid (LCID.O) and Rivian (RIVN.O) were also both lower Thursday, losing more than 3% each. Lucid on Tuesday reported a near 30% plunge in third-quarter production and only a marginal increase in deliveries despite big discounts, raising worries about demand for its Air luxury sedan. Rivian, which makes electric pickup trucks and sport utility vehicles, also disappointed investors this month when it shied away from raising its full-year production forecast despite stronger-than-expected third-quarter numbers. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-joins-gm-ford-slowing-ev-factory-ramp-demand-fears-spread-2023-10-19/ all the horses do not cross the finish line at the same time ...and some horses ...well they never finish and some are taken out permanently however overall...................... https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/q3-2023-ev-sales/ Another Quarter, Another Record: EV Sales in the U.S. Surpass 300,000 in Q3, as Tesla Share of EV Segment Tumbles to 50% Thursday October 12, 2023 Electric vehicle (EV) sales volumes set another record in Q3, as total sales of battery-powered vehicles jumped past 300,000 for the first time in the U.S. market. Year-to-date EV sales through September reached just over 873,000, putting the market firmly on track to surpass 1 million for the first time ever. The milestone will likely be achieved in November. st quarter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 October 25, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, notsonice said: all the horses do not cross the finish line at the same time ...and some horses ...well they never finish and some are taken out permanently however overall...................... https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/q3-2023-ev-sales/ Another Quarter, Another Record: EV Sales in the U.S. Surpass 300,000 in Q3, as Tesla Share of EV Segment Tumbles to 50% Thursday October 12, 2023 Electric vehicle (EV) sales volumes set another record in Q3, as total sales of battery-powered vehicles jumped past 300,000 for the first time in the U.S. market. Year-to-date EV sales through September reached just over 873,000, putting the market firmly on track to surpass 1 million for the first time ever. The milestone will likely be achieved in November. st quarter. Whoa...UK trending..it's a world wide phenomena! https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/electric-vehicles-carmakers-put-the-brakes-on-costly-revolution-gkxbqs9nw#:~:text=British and European manufacturers are,an industry body has said. Edited October 25, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM October 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said: You need change your name to notsosmart!! Need quit tokin' on the bowl there....... Without taxpayers paying, EV's would be near zero sales!!! But that chat is for another day. Your ignorance in the statements above show your biased and argumentative. Another ignorant Keyboard warrior. Met lots of turds like you out in the field.....the biggest concentration of turds...Central Illinois ....South of your Capital Low IQ.......Fat...slow..... We called them FIBs.....you do not what FIB stands for?????? By the way do you have anything worthwhile to ever post??? or just your standard ignorant BS babble Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM October 25, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, notsonice said: Eyes Wide Open Legend Members + 3,349 3,516 posts 8 minutes ago Whoa...UK trending..it's a world wide phenomena! https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/electric-vehicles-carmakers-put-the-brakes-on-costly-revolution-gkxbqs9nw#:~:text=British and European manufacturers are,an industry body has said. 10 month old article....and since then ...Sales in Europe are increasing........ do you need the links to the already posted articles????? EVs gain market share in the US and UK https://carbontracker.org/one-in-three-uk-car-sales-may-be-fully-electric-by-end-23-as-s-curve-transforms-market/ Edited October 25, 2023 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,007 GE October 25, 2023 31 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said: . Without taxpayers paying, EV's would be near zero sales!!! I disagree. They would still sell plenty but would be limited to wealthy people. They are fancy status symbols and have very sporty performance. Insane acceleration while feeling smug about protecting the environment - priceless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM October 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: I disagree. They would still sell plenty but would be limited to wealthy people. They are fancy status symbols and have very sporty performance. Insane acceleration while feeling smug about protecting the environment - priceless. the Oil industry runs on subsidies and in the end never cleans up after itself wonder if the bigshot...Old dickhead will send in his share to help cleanup the oil industries mess https://www.budget.senate.gov/chairman/newsroom/press/sen-whitehouse-on-fossil-fuel-subsidies-we-are-subsidizing-the-danger- It's not just the US: according to the International Energy Agency, fossil fuel handouts hit a global high of $1 trillion in 2022 – the same year Big Oil pulled in a record $4 trillion of income. In the United States, by some estimates taxpayers pay about $20 billion dollars every year to the fossil fuel industry.May 3, 2023 sen. whitehouse on fossil fuel subsidies: “we are subsidizing ... It Could Cost $21 Billion to Clean Up California's Oil Sites ... ProPublica https://www.propublica.org › article › cost-of-californi... May 18, 2023 — An expert used California regulators' methodology to estimate the cost of cleaning up the state's onshore oil and gas industry The Maple Oil And Gas Companies Shirking Responsibility For $123 Billion In Cleanup Costs: Report A new report from the non-profit organization Environmental Defence reveals that despite making ample profits, Canada's oil and gas... . Aug 1, 2023 DeSmog Cleaning Up After the North Sea Oil Industry Will Cost Billions – But Nobody Wants to Pay This story is the start of The North Sea Investigations, a multi-year international reporting project on the battle for the future of the... . May 19, 2023 Grist The cost to clean up New Mexico's oil and gas industry? $8 billion. The state has secured just 2 percent of that total from oil and gas operators. . May 21, 2021 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 707 October 26, 2023 On 10/24/2023 at 2:52 AM, Rob Plant said: It will be interesting to see if the US allow BYD to sell into the USA at their usual market price or whether they'll put loads of import duties on their cars. Ron its still early days for many auto manufacturers and many new models will be hitting the showrooms. Please note fuel and service costs are a lot cheaper annually than an ICE vehicle so you have to factor that in to the total price over the expected lifespan of your vehicle and that will be individual preference. There are a lot of financial factors favoring ICE vehicles also. It depends on many factors including government policies that push EV's and make oil prices higher. Only many years of experience will validate EV prognostications. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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