E-car Sales Collapse

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Hyundai’s New $1.58 Billion South Korea Plant To Produce 200,000 EVs Annually (msn.com)

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49 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

It would seem you and I once had a conversation on such matters. By the way, a owner/dealer does not sell/steer customers in any shape or form...They do however sign the checks, now steering people around distressed old age merchandise is not what they do.

You have said a lot of stupid things in the past but this takes the cake.  Did you really just say a dealer does not steer customers in any shape or form?

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51 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said:

True but I could get 400 miles on 10 gallons in my Mirage and another 400 miles with two 5 gallon containers in the back. They sell for about $15,000 new. Match that economy with any street legal electric vehicle. These cars will run anywhere including mountains at any temperature.

And of course more lies. EV's are owning the Pikes Peak race because they aren't affected by mountain elevation.

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44 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

And we all know that is pure BS!  It is legendary how car sales people put people in cars they want to sell.

Time has taken your mind, your crow is empty and shrill. Automotive people have only one polictal driving force...True it is green in color yet that does not make money bad now does it.

 

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41 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

You have said a lot of stupid things in the past but this takes the cake.  Did you really just say a dealer does not steer customers in any shape or form?

That is correct, had you any incomprehension/understanding of the auto business...dealer's never engage with a customer...never.

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27 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Time has taken your mind, your crow is empty and shrill. Automotive people have only one polictal driving force...True it is green in color yet that does not make money bad now does it.

 

So you admit that you were wrong and I was correct. End of story.

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25 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

That is correct, had you any incomprehension/understanding of the auto business...dealer's never engage with a customer...never.

Yet that is their entire business to engage with customers. What an unabashed idiot you are!

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Just now, Jay McKinsey said:

So you admit that you were wrong and I was correct. End of story.

Exit stage left...A cartoon character of old. LMAO indeed you have lost your crow. I won your wrong. LMAO 

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1 minute ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Yet that is their entire business to engage with customers. What an unabashed idiot you are!

A teenage understanding at best. The job is to sell and much more importantly close a sale. It is not show and tell old man.

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14 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

A teenage understanding at best. The job is to sell and much more importantly close a sale. It is not show and tell old man.

Sell the thing you want to sell, don't show the thing you don't want to sell and everyone knows you are an idiot.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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2 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

And everyone knows you are an idiot.

I do believe you own that title, the Green Revolution is over. Chaos has is being extinguished...world wide.

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Any day now!

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15 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

Any day now!

The days have passed grasshopper, you only need to breathe deeply 

 

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Many ICE fans on here dont appreciate the mass uptake of ICE vehicles in the US took best part of 50 years.

See the stats from 1900-1950

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1246890/vehicles-use-united-states-historical/

Please bear in mind the Ford model T was released in 1908 as well, so mass production did exist fairly early on.

Back then ICE vehicles were expensive compared to owning a horse, pretty similar with ICE and EV's now dont ya think?

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3 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

I do believe you own that title, the Green Revolution is over. Chaos has is being extinguished...world wide.

Carbon Brief

Analysis: China’s emissions set to fall in 2024 after record growth in clean energy

China's CO2 emissions are set to fall in 2024 and could be facing structural decline, due to record growth in clean energy.

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looks like your Coal fire has gone out

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11 hours ago, notsonice said:

Carbon Brief

Analysis: China’s emissions set to fall in 2024 after record growth in clean energy

China's CO2 emissions are set to fall in 2024 and could be facing structural decline, due to record growth in clean energy.

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looks like your Coal fire has gone out

Ya Don't Say come to mind..

 

China is building six times more new coal plants than other countries, report finds

Everybody else is moving away from coal and China seems to be stepping on the gas," she says. "We saw that China has six times as much plants starting construction as the rest of the world combined."

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-six-times-more-new-coal-plants-than-other-countries-report-fin

Edited November 14, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

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1 minute ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Ya Don't Say come to mind..

 

China is building six times more new coal plants than other countries, report finds

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-six-times-more-new-coal-plants-than-other-countries-report-fin

stranded assets......

Kodak film .......gone due to Electronics

Coal power in China is on its way out due to Electronics....Pesky solar panels

did you enjoy the article .....it discusses the new power plants are just back up to Green power and the new coal power plants will best stranded assets

 

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6 minutes ago, notsonice said:

stranded assets......

Kodak film .......gone due to Electronics

Coal power in China is on its way out due to Electronics....Pesky solar panels

did you enjoy the article .....it discusses the new power plants are just back up to Green power and the new coal power plants will best stranded assets

 

And then there's Germany...And China again of course.

China and Germany: Firing Up Coal Power While Wind Takes a Back Seat

 

 

 

• NEWS

 

China and Germany: Firing Up Coal Power While Wind Takes a Back Seat

 

 

Countries postpone lofty climate goals to adapt to demands of reality.

• Bridget Ryder
• — September 9, 2023

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Germany is dismantling a wind farm to make way for more coal mining, while China is on a spree to open new coal mines.

So goes the global push for renewable energy and decarbonisation, another sign of the reality check facing the proposed energy transition away from fossil fuels to ‘renewable’ energy such as wind. 

 

 

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/china-and-germany-firing-up-coal-power-while-wind-takes-a-back-seat/

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Oh lookie here...The UK is indulging..what a bunch of heathens..The sheer audacity of air conditioning.

Do solar panels break in heatwaves? Experts explain why UK return to coal wasn’t due to wilting tech

 

https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/06/13/do-solar-panels-break-in-heatwaves-experts-explain-why-uk-return-to-coal-wasnt-due-to-wilt

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33 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Oh hi cookie here...The UK is indulging..what a bunch of heathens..The sheer audacity of air conditioning.

Do solar panels break in heatwaves? Experts explain why UK return to coal wasn’t due to wilting tech

 

https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/06/13/do-solar-panels-break-in-heatwaves-experts-explain-why-uk-return-to-coal-wasnt-due-to-wilt

What a dumb post. UK had three coal power plants at the beginning of the year and now they have one left which is scheduled to be closed in a year

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54 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

What a dumb post. UK had three coal power plants at the beginning of the year and now they have one left which is scheduled to be closed in a year

Ohh its gets better...just another day in Green Paradise...Using coal plants to stabilize their grid?...LMAO 

 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/britons-paying-hundreds-of-millions-to-turn-off-wind-turbines-as-network-cant-handle-the-power-they-make-on-the-windiest-days-12822156

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10 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Ohh its gets better...just another day in Green Paradise...Using coal plants to stabilize their grid?...LMAO 

 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/britons-paying-hundreds-of-millions-to-turn-off-wind-turbines-as-network-cant-handle-the-power-they-make-on-the-windiest-days-12822156

Too much power is a good "problem" to have.  The only reason it costs money to turn the windmills down is contracts with the energy company.

They will soon add more transmission lines and storage.

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3 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

They will soon add more transmission lines and storage.

Umm you sure about that?

What has happened and why?

Swedish energy giant Vattenfall has announced it is to shut down development of the Norfolk Boreas site, off the Norfolk coast.

It was awarded one of the government's Contracts for Difference (CfDs) for the first phase one of the biggest offshore wind zones in the world last year.

CfDs effectively guarantee a fixed price for the electricity produced for 15 years. It meant that if prices were low, the companies would get a subsidy. If prices rise, the gains must be paid back.

But Vattenfall said it had seen its costs, driven by inflation, supply issues and rising wages, soar by 40%.

 

The money the government had agreed to pay them, the firm said, would not cover these increased costs.

Chief executive Anna Borg said: "Conditions are extremely challenging across the whole industry right now, with a supply chain squeeze, increasing prices and cost of capital, and fiscal frameworks not reflecting current market realities."

 

What does the scrapping of a wind farm plan mean for UK renewable energy?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-norfolk-66267860

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5 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Umm you sure about that?

Do you read the articles you post?

From your post:

"We're wasting power instead of exporting it or using it and this is really cheap power that we're wasting."

"we're investing in and overhauling electricity networks so we reach net-zero power at the lowest cost to consumers.  We're speeding up planning reforms and regulatory approvals to increase network capacity rapidly."

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24 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

What does the scrapping of a wind farm plan mean for UK renewable energy?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-norfolk-66267860

 

To answer that question read the article.

"George Freeman, MP for Mid Norfolk, said he was "not too worried" it would undermine the government's long term commitment to net zero."

Norfolk County Council said while it was "naturally disappointed" the development had been "paused" the company had "reassured" it the rest of the Norfolk offshore plan would still go ahead.

"If the government gets the policy wrong on the current round of renewables auctions and doesn't keep pace with increasing costs," he said, "the UK could end up even more reliant on foreign gas, leaving households on the hook with higher bills."

"The onshore work is still going ahead. There is a feeling that this will be resolved "because there is no alternative" as one expert put it."