Rob Plant + 2,756 RP November 27, 2023 9 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: That the maintenance is too expensive for them. Ron that makes no sense at all! Surprisingly to some, it costs less to service an electric car than a petrol or diesel car. The average cost for a full service of an EV currently is £143.75, whereas the average cost for an ICE car comes to £174.23 - around 18% more (according to WhoCanFixMyCar).11 Oct 2023 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lexington green + 22 LG November 27, 2023 On 11/19/2023 at 10:11 PM, Ron Wagner said: Are you aware that there are more natural gas vehicles than there are electric vehicles in the world, and that they are far larger and are often large trucks that carry goods? That there are natural gas powered ships that sail the seas and are far cleaner than diesel run ships. Natural gas use is far more practical than the current technology in wind and solar. It should be powering our ICE vehicles since it is cleaner than diesel or gasoline and can run any ICE engine with minor alterations and a different fuel tank. That won't prevent the world from using both.  Wind and Solar don't have to drill, transport. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lexington green + 22 LG November 27, 2023  https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/in-2024-republican-ev-attacks-may-fall-short-as-swing-states-reap-investment  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lexington green + 22 LG November 27, 2023 14 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: I have read that the rental companies are not able to get proper maintenance for their EV fleets and that the prices do not make it profitable to invest in stocking them. That the maintenance is too expensive for them. Tesla is definitely not admired for it's maintenance infrastructure. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lexington green + 22 LG November 27, 2023 On 11/20/2023 at 4:20 AM, Rob Plant said: Actually Ron there arent Globally both CNG and EV's have 26 million vehicles "There are currently over 26 million natural gas vehicles and over 31,000 refuelling stations across the world, with over 50% of these vehicles in China, Iran, and India [13]." "26 million electric cars roaming global roads in 2022, " To be fair now we are nearly in 2024 those EV numbers will be well ahead of CNG now. Ron the conversion cost to CNG is between $6K-$12K they have less trunk space are less fuel efficient and only 1% of service stations have NG to refuel What Ever Happened to Natural Gas-Powered Cars? - Kelley Blue Book (kbb.com) This is probably why you dont drive one! NG is heavily used in Mass Transit.  But as battery tech advances, you will probably see more MT vehicles running on electricity.  And you can reduce emissions, extend range with NG in a hybrid power train.  1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lexington green + 22 LG November 27, 2023 I wonder how long it will be before someone tries to seize a wind farm or a solar installation? https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Houthi-Tanker-Seizures-Could-Reignite-the-War-Premium-in-Oil-Markets.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, lexington green said: I wonder how long it will be before someone tries to seize a wind farm or a solar installation? https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Houthi-Tanker-Seizures-Could-Reignite-the-War-Premium-in-Oil-Markets.html And do what with it? Hold a country to ransom? Thats not happening any time soon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lexington green + 22 LG November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Rob Plant said: And do what with it? Hold a country to ransom? Thats not happening any time soon. Wasn't meant to be a serious question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lexington green + 22 LG November 27, 2023  https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Hydrogen-Set-to-Compete-with-Fossil-Fuels.html  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lexington green + 22 LG November 27, 2023 Peak emissions discussion: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Rystad-Energy-Fossil-Fuel-Emissions-Will-Peak-Within-Two-Years.html  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 708 November 28, 2023 11 hours ago, lexington green said: That won't prevent the world from using both.  Wind and Solar don't have to drill, transport. Wind and solar are fine, we have wind turbine farms near me. The biggest problem is the bright lights at night, that are overwhelming when they are blinking off and on. Fortunately I don't have them that close. The subsidies come from our taxes and energy bills also. The charges are stated on our bills but do not include the transmission. We also subsidize old nuclear plants that were to be replaced. Illinois has plenty of natural gas, but the nuclear power industry paid off the politicians to keep their licenses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 708 November 28, 2023 16 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Ron that makes no sense at all! Surprisingly to some, it costs less to service an electric car than a petrol or diesel car. The average cost for a full service of an EV currently is £143.75, whereas the average cost for an ICE car comes to £174.23 - around 18% more (according to WhoCanFixMyCar).11 Oct 2023 Tell it to the car rental agencies, that is the source. Just reporting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 708 November 28, 2023 16 hours ago, Rob Plant said: And potentially hazardous! I have been researching this for years and have posted all the information. A simple compressor system is used. Outdoor charging or a ventilated garage are needed for safety. https://www.cngchat.com/ Do your own research. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 November 28, 2023 Just now, Ron Wagner said: I have been researching this for years and have posted all the information. A simple compressor system is used. Outdoor charging or a ventilated garage are needed for safety. https://www.cngchat.com/ Do your own research. A simple compressor that costs $7K for a residential version that takes 5 hours to fill your cramped car that has no room because of the big round tanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 November 28, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said: Tell it to the car rental agencies, that is the source. Just reporting. You have it wrong as usual Ron. First of all the primary negative cost factor for Hertz is Tesla cutting their prices which is killing their resale value and secondly collision repair costs are higher than for ICE cars. Maintenance is lower as Rob pointed out. The rental car company posted lower-than-expected margins for the previous quarter, and Scherr said EV repairs and Tesla price cuts affecting the resale value of Hertz's EVs by about one-third were the two main causes. Oct 26, 2023 — Tesla has been rapidly dropping its prices to spur sales, which has lowered the resale value of the EVs in Hertz's fleet by about one-third.  Hertz says Tesla fleet of rental EVs are 50 pct cheaper to ...  Aug 5, 2022 — Rental car giant says it's making 50-60% savings on maintenance costs with its recently acquired Tesla fleet compared to fossil fuel cars.   Edited November 28, 2023 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gkam44 + 26 November 28, 2023 This is just another conservative attempt to ruin America. They do not want to lose their investments in Exxon, so they continue to drive us into Heat Death. Yeah, Heat Death. If you have not had significant science, you will not believe it. Our PV solar system has powered our household and electric cars for eight years. It paid back in three. Do you still pay for electricity and gasoline? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 November 28, 2023 (edited)          "HEARDING CATS" Biden's Green Agenda has accomplished the impossible. They have actually successfully brought together the dealer body. Getting 20/50 together has always been a quite a event...4000 now that's extraordinary.... Car Dealers Warn Biden Administration to Pump Brakes on EV Plans The group of 3,700 dealers spread across all 50 states and covering all major car brands stated that electric vehicle inventories on car dealership lots are growing as deliveries outpace demand. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Car-Dealers-Warn-Biden-Administration-to-Pump-Brakes-on-EV-Plans.html Edited November 28, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM November 28, 2023 45 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:          "HEARDING CATS" Biden's Green Agenda has accomplished the impossible. They have actually successfully brought together the dealer body. Getting 20/50 together has always been a quite a event...4000 now that's extraordinary.... Car Dealers Warn Biden Administration to Pump Brakes on EV Plans The group of 3,700 dealers spread across all 50 states and covering all major car brands stated that electric vehicle inventories on car dealership lots are growing as deliveries outpace demand. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Car-Dealers-Warn-Biden-Administration-to-Pump-Brakes-on-EV-Plans.html and back to reality............try to reduce your drinking......... CBT News EV sales set to break records in U.S., but lag behind China EV sales are predicted to account for a record 9% of all passenger vehicles in the U.S. this year but still fall behind China and Germany. . 23 hours ago  Carscoops U.S. Poised To Cross 1 Million EV Sales Milestone Breaking Every Record Although more EVs are sitting on dealer lots, 2023 is still set to be a record-breaking sales year in the U.S.. . 1 day ago  AP News US EV sales to hit record this year EV sales are expected to hit a record 9% of all passenger vehicles this year, according to Atlas Public Policy. . 5 days ago  InsideEVs Ford, Hyundai And Chevrolet Led U.S. Non-Tesla BEV Sales In Q3 2023 The third quarter of 2023 is behind us, so let's look at how EV sales in the U.S. stacked up. . 1 week ago     Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 November 28, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, notsonice said: and back to reality............try to reduce your drinking......... CBT News EV sales set to break records in U.S., but lag behind China EV sales are predicted to account for a record 9% of all passenger vehicles in the U.S. this year but still fall behind China and Germany. . 23 hours ago  Carscoops U.S. Poised To Cross 1 Million EV Sales Milestone Breaking Every Record Although more EVs are sitting on dealer lots, 2023 is still set to be a record-breaking sales year in the U.S.. . 1 day ago  AP News US EV sales to hit record this year EV sales are expected to hit a record 9% of all passenger vehicles this year, according to Atlas Public Policy. . 5 days ago  InsideEVs Ford, Hyundai And Chevrolet Led U.S. Non-Tesla BEV Sales In Q3 2023 The third quarter of 2023 is behind us, so let's look at how EV sales in the U.S. stacked up. . 1 week ago     Activists blogging success will no longer bolster the Green Revolution..It is over, the 4th quarter will illuminate just how disasterous thing have become. Ford, GM, Mercedes come clean on EV demand weakness Automakers respond to concerns as consumers balk at EV push Facebook   https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/ford-gm-mercedes-come-clean-on-ev-demand-weakness Edited November 28, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 November 28, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Activists blogging success will no longer bolster the Green Revolution..It is over, the 4th quarter will illuminate just how disasterous thing have become. Ford, GM, Mercedes come clean on EV demand weakness Automakers respond to concerns as consumers balk at EV push Facebook   https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/ford-gm-mercedes-come-clean-on-ev-demand-weakness ICE vehicle demand weak and inventories are climbing fast. Despite UAW strikes at several plants throughout the month, new-vehicle inventory at the start of November was even higher than in early October, according to Cox Automotive’s analysis of vAuto Available Inventory data.  The total U.S. supply of available unsold new vehicles climbed to 2.40 million units. That is up 62%, or 919,000 units, from the same time a year ago. Inventory numbers include vehicles available on dealer lots and some in transit. Days of supply climbed to 67 at the start of November, up from 60 at the start of October. Inventory, measured as days’ supply, was 41% higher than the same timeframe from one year ago. ===== Fortune reports EV sales expected to hit new U.S. record in 2023—but Germany, China and Norway still lead the way Electric vehicle sales are expected to hit a record 9% of all passenger vehicles in the U.S. this year, according to Atlas Public Policy. That will be up from 7.3% of new car sales in 2022. https://fortune.com/2023/11/23/us-electric-vehicle-sales-2023-record/ Fortune magazine is not a green activist publication. ===== EVs only grew by 26% in the first month of Q4, yeah what a disaster, not. Plug-In Vehicle Sales A total of 112,483 plug-in vehicles (91,537 BEVs and 20,946 PHEVs) were sold during October 2023 in the United States, up 25.9% from the sales in October 2022. PEVs captured 9.37% of total LDV sales this month.  Edited November 28, 2023 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 November 28, 2023 20 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said: ICE vehicle demand weak and inventories are climbing fast. Despite UAW strikes at several plants throughout the month, new-vehicle inventory at the start of November was even higher than in early October, according to Cox Automotive’s analysis of vAuto Available Inventory data.  The total U.S. supply of available unsold new vehicles climbed to 2.40 million units. That is up 62%, or 919,000 units, from the same time a year ago. Inventory numbers include vehicles available on dealer lots and some in transit. Days of supply climbed to 67 at the start of November, up from 60 at the start of October. Inventory, measured as days’ supply, was 41% higher than the same timeframe from one year ago. ===== Fortune reports EV sales expected to hit new U.S. record in 2023—but Germany, China and Norway still lead the way Electric vehicle sales are expected to hit a record 9% of all passenger vehicles in the U.S. this year, according to Atlas Public Policy. That will be up from 7.3% of new car sales in 2022. https://fortune.com/2023/11/23/us-electric-vehicle-sales-2023-record/ Fortune magazine is not a green activist publication. ===== EVs only grew by 26% in the first month of Q4, yeah what a disaster, not. Plug-In Vehicle Sales A total of 112,483 plug-in vehicles (91,537 BEVs and 20,946 PHEVs) were sold during October 2023 in the United States, up 25.9% from the sales in October 2022. PEVs captured 9.37% of total LDV sales this month.  EVs reached 33% of sales in China, 35% in Germany, and 90% in Norway for the first six months of 2023,  China dumping 330,000 EV'S into the EU only further serves to illustrate the failed market place. Now a guy with your deep background in econ just might catch on...then again perhaps not. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 November 28, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: EVs reached 33% of sales in China, 35% in Germany, and 90% in Norway for the first six months of 2023,  China dumping 330,000 EV'S into the EU only further serves to illustrate the failed market place. Now a guy with your deep background in econ just might catch on...then again perhaps not. EV demand in China continues to skyrocket! Global EV sales stay strong, China hits record despite end of subsidies Reuters November 13, 20239:07 PM PST EV sales in China, the world's largest auto market, increased 29% year-to-date in September. The global EV market showed 34% growth in the same period. "What's notable about October's figures is that EV demand in China continues to reach record highs even though the subsidies were cut ... 2023 is set to be another banner year for China in terms of EV sales," ---- Chinese EVs make much more money being sold in the EU. If you had an understanding of econ you might get a clue.  Edited November 28, 2023 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 November 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said: Chinese EVs make much more money being sold in the EU. If you had an understanding of econ you might get a clue. Ya Don't Say...Actually Prove it comes to mind. LMAO this should be hilarious... Edited November 28, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Gato + 254 Bs November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ya Don't Say...Actually Prove it comes to mind. LMAO this should be hilarious... Using slave labor or underpaid labor helps out the Chinese plenty in reaping profits🤗 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 November 29, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ya Don't Say...Actually Prove it comes to mind. LMAO this should be hilarious... Well as the data I provided shows the price of an EV in China is half that of the EU and the Chinese EVs from BYD, the largest EV manufacturer, are being sold in Europe at European prices. I know this is a very difficult concept for you but if you sell your car in a different market for almost twice the price you make a lot more money. Specifically the BYD Tang is $39K to $44K in China and they are selling it in Europe for 72K euros which is about $79K dollars.   Edited November 29, 2023 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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