footeab@yahoo.com + 2,164 Friday at 04:03 AM 35 minutes ago, notsonice said: try to keep up with the times, Luddite the latest out of US CNBC Ford EV and hybrid sales surge 65% in May Ford's U.S. new vehicle sales rose 11.2% last month compared to May of last year, boosted by strong sales growth for all-electric and hybrid... . 1 week ago Electrek Ford's EV sales continue surging in May despite shifting plans Despite a recent pullback on its electric vehicle strategy amid “slower-than-expected” demand, Ford's EV sales continued surging in May. . 1 week ago Ah nice partial lie. Mach E numbers are LOWER than 2022 even with a BIG 10% price cut... Transit van are up, F150 lightning are up. Wow are they going to be disappointed as soon as winter rolls around just like the last batch who bought them and then sold them instantly and why no one bought them later in 2023. Yikes. There was a reason after the winter of 2022/2023 they could not sell the F150 worth a damn... I'll bet all the E vans were bought 100% by government types and not actual individuals. ~120 miles in good weather... LOL!!! No one in their right mind with an actual business would buy that trash. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,151 DM Friday at 04:27 AM 23 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Ah nice partial lie. Mach E numbers are LOWER than 2022 even with a BIG 10% price cut... Transit van are up, F150 lightning are up. Wow are they going to be disappointed as soon as winter rolls around just like the last batch who bought them and then sold them instantly and why no one bought them later in 2023. Yikes. There was a reason after the winter of 2022/2023 they could not sell the F150 worth a damn... I'll bet all the E vans were bought 100% by government types and not actual individuals. ~120 miles in good weather... LOL!!! No one in their right mind with an actual business would buy that trash. you are a joke...try to keep up with the times Luddite..... InsideEVs Global Plug-In Car Sales Increased 25% In April 2024 To 1.2 Million 1221181 new passenger plug-in electric cars were registered globally in April. The market share amounted to roughly 18% (compared to 16% a... . 2 days ago CleanTechnica What Falling Sales? Global EV Sales Grow 25% in April! EVs Now 18% of World Auto Sales. Global plugin vehicle registrations were up 25% in April 2024 compared to April 2023. . 5 days ago Forbes The Vibes Lie: Electric Vehicles Accelerate Toward 50% Of Global Sales Don't believe the media hype: New data shows global EV sales are on track to hit 50% of total vehicle sales by 2035. . 3 weeks ago 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,151 DM Friday at 04:39 AM right on target.........Green agenda .....Peak Oil has already happened ...OPEC is in full denial Pesky solar panels and EVs CleanTechnica What Falling Sales? Global EV Sales Grow 25% in April! EVs Now 18% of World Auto Sales. Global plugin vehicle registrations were up 25% in April 2024 compared to April 2023. . 5 days ago 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,392 DL Friday at 07:14 PM (edited) 15 hours ago, notsonice said: try to keep up with the times, Luddite the latest out of US CNBC Ford EV and hybrid sales surge 65% in May Ford's U.S. new vehicle sales rose 11.2% last month compared to May of last year, boosted by strong sales growth for all-electric and hybrid... . 1 week ago Electrek Ford's EV sales continue surging in May despite shifting plans Despite a recent pullback on its electric vehicle strategy amid “slower-than-expected” demand, Ford's EV sales continued surging in May. . 1 week ago Your data is old, some laugh. Here is the recent data. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Car-Industry-Misjudges-Consumer-Demand-for-Electric-Vehicles.html "Tumbling private demand for electric vehicles (EVs) has dominated media headlines throughout this year, fuelling car owners’ concerns over the high cost of making the transition. Car industry data, provided by the sector’s trade body the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT), showed sales to private buyers had fallen 7.7 per cent in April. This week’s SMMT data revealed a similar trend, with EV sales to the general public slipping another 2 per cent in May. The decline has prompted calls for the government to introduce taxpayer-funded incentives for buyers and driven a narrative in the Telegraph and Daily Mail that British car owners’ interest in purchasing EVs is waning." Furthermore there is renewed worry about the health problems of driving EV. "There are growing reports of electric car drivers suffering motion sickness, dizziness and nausea from the vehicles' braking and acceleration systems. And a former Tesla owner has claimed that she experienced nosebleeds, hair loss and 'debilitating' body pains while using the vehicle she purchased in 2021. While she was not entirely sure the Tesla was at fault, the Georgia resident and said her symptoms disappeared after selling the car. Tesla owners have had to trade in some models because the air conditioning systems were prone to mold, which can cause asthma-like symptoms. Tesla has been accused of being the 'worst offender' for causing motion sickness from its one-pedal throttle because they can be 'very jerky and really abrupt,' Ed Kim, president and chief analyst of AutoPacific said. The value of a used Tesla fell by more than $1,000 on average in the first half of January" No one seems to want a second-hand EV, their value is now dropping like a stone. Edited Friday at 07:16 PM by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,151 DM Friday at 10:39 PM (edited) 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Your data is old, some laugh. Here is the recent data. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Car-Industry-Misjudges-Consumer-Demand-for-Electric-Vehicles.html "Tumbling private demand for electric vehicles (EVs) has dominated media headlines throughout this year, fuelling car owners’ concerns over the high cost of making the transition. Car industry data, provided by the sector’s trade body the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT), showed sales to private buyers had fallen 7.7 per cent in April. This week’s SMMT data revealed a similar trend, with EV sales to the general public slipping another 2 per cent in May. The decline has prompted calls for the government to introduce taxpayer-funded incentives for buyers and driven a narrative in the Telegraph and Daily Mail that British car owners’ interest in purchasing EVs is waning." Furthermore there is renewed worry about the health problems of driving EV. "There are growing reports of electric car drivers suffering motion sickness, dizziness and nausea from the vehicles' braking and acceleration systems. And a former Tesla owner has claimed that she experienced nosebleeds, hair loss and 'debilitating' body pains while using the vehicle she purchased in 2021. While she was not entirely sure the Tesla was at fault, the Georgia resident and said her symptoms disappeared after selling the car. Tesla owners have had to trade in some models because the air conditioning systems were prone to mold, which can cause asthma-like symptoms. Tesla has been accused of being the 'worst offender' for causing motion sickness from its one-pedal throttle because they can be 'very jerky and really abrupt,' Ed Kim, president and chief analyst of AutoPacific said. The value of a used Tesla fell by more than $1,000 on average in the first half of January" No one seems to want a second-hand EV, their value is now dropping like a stone. Your data is old, some laugh????? did you notice on the graph presented that in 2024 the market share for EV is 18 percent and the article just put out 5 days ago states in April of 2024 EV sales were 18 Percent....nothing old about the chart or article well the only old thing , Luddite, is your tired BS babble Luddite........take the time to read the article and did you catch the recent article on China Y-O-Y decrease in oil imports for the first 5 months of 2024 over 2023 my my 50 percent of new passenger car sale in China are now EVs and now to boot LNG trucks are the rage in China sending diesel use down Peak oil already happened....................no one wants your clunkers CleanTechnica What Falling Sales? Global EV Sales Grow 25% in April! EVs Now 18% of World Auto Sales. Global plugin vehicle registrations were up 25% in April 2024 compared to April 2023. . 5 days ago Edited Friday at 10:49 PM by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,151 DM Friday at 10:46 PM Business Green 'Unprecedented market opportunity': Global EV market on track for record year, despite slower sales growth New BloombergNEF analysis confirms growing popularity of EVs, but warns sector not yet on track to meet net zero goals. . 2 days ago CleanTechnica What Falling Sales? Global EV Sales Grow 25% in April! EVs Now 18% of World Auto Sales. Global plugin vehicle registrations were up 25% in April 2024 compared to April 2023. . 5 days ago Forbes The Vibes Lie: Electric Vehicles Accelerate Toward 50% Of Global Sales Don't believe the media hype: New data shows global EV sales are on track to hit 50% of total vehicle sales by 2035. . 4 weeks ago 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,392 DL Saturday at 12:33 AM (edited) The reality is that personal sales in Britain of EVs have fallen 7%in just one month. This shows the disaster which happens to EV sales when the government removes buyer incentives, the personal sector has already been removed and the results are obvious, disaster. This coming year, the remaining supports will be removed for fleet and salary sacrifice EV sales, and the same disaster will happen to them. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Car-Industry-Misjudges-Consumer-Demand-for-Electric-Vehicles.html Here is the truth, there is no factual base supporting the view that fleet sales are booming, because the data for fleets and salary sacrifice does not exist. "It is impossible to tell the significance of salary sacrifice in the overall data as neither the relevant government bodies, the DVLA and HMRC, nor scheme operators, track the data." "In a statement, SMMT chief executive Mike Hawes told City A.M. “Salary sacrifice registrations are not listed separately as there is currently no official way to measure them as neither HMRC, DVLA or scheme operators provide this data.” In other words, this data is not even collected, so there is no way of knowing if fleet/salary sacrifice EV sales are increasing or decreasing. Only empty hot air claims that we know this data. And trying to muddy the picture by dragging in year-old numbers will not fool anyone. Edited Saturday at 04:27 AM by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,480 Sunday at 04:23 PM ...and then, "in the middle of nowhere"... https://cowboystatedaily.com/2024/06/15/why-the-heck-is-there-an-ev-charger-in-the-middle-of-nowhere-in-wyoming/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=campaign&_kx=Fm2KWNHm-QtZS1ku5PUAwaeGOoypnHgRivWLxD6Mgwg.UXPtrV Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 661 11 hours ago https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1802752042034663685 BREAKING: The new Tesla Model 3 Long Range now officially qualifies for the full $7,500 Federal EV credit in the US, according to Tesla. This means that the Model 3 Long Range now starts at just $39,990 including the EV credit! 12:15 PM · Jun 17, 2024 · 24.1M Views Will this price be low enough to increase Tesla Model 3 sales? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,151 DM 9 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, Ron Wagner said: https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1802752042034663685 BREAKING: The new Tesla Model 3 Long Range now officially qualifies for the full $7,500 Federal EV credit in the US, according to Tesla. This means that the Model 3 Long Range now starts at just $39,990 including the EV credit! 12:15 PM · Jun 17, 2024 · 24.1M Views Will this price be low enough to increase Tesla Model 3 sales? lower prices....results in higher sales...then the competition lowers prices for a similar product........ time will tell ........ when the cost of a Tesla is the same as an equivalent ICE vehicle...watch out A Tesla with dual motors AWD still in the plus $45,000 for starters....bring the dual motor version down to $40,000...Daddy will by it for their wife/ daughters /sons the tipping point (EVs more than 50 percent of the market) that already has been reached in China will be reached in the US when AWD EVs are on the market for 30,000 to 35,000. You can bet BYD will open an EV (unionized plant) in the US within the next few years to satisfy the UAW (Mexico will be sooner) and to get around tariffs. With so few parts in an EV compared to an ICE vehicle ....actual extra costs due to Union Labor will not be significant/. Most of the parts (sub assemblies) will be made in Mexico ...move across the border for final assembly........Made in America slapped on the car. Matter of time Like the evolution from cameras with film to digital cameras...what does a burner phone with a camera cost these days....$50 at most the costs of taking a photo...peanuts and the cost of maintaining /charging up an EV Peanuts Tech Brew EV prices dropped again in February, nearing parity with ICE vehicles EVs' price premium “remains a significant barrier for consumer adoption,” according to one analyst. . Mar 19, 2024 Green Car Reports Half of 2024 EVs have lower 5-year ownership cost vs. ICE Despite strong depreciation, and before several more EV models qualified for the tax credit, nearly half of EVs cost less over time. . Apr 14, 2024 Edited 9 hours ago by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,164 8 hours ago 17 minutes ago, notsonice said: when the cost of a Tesla is the same as an equivalent ICE vehicle...watch out A Tesla with dual motors AWD still in the plus $45,000 for starters....bring the dual motor version down to $40,000...Daddy will by it for their wife/ daughters /sons the tipping point (EVs more than 50 percent of the market) that already has been reached in China will be reached in the US when AWD EVs are on the market for 30,000 to 35,000. You can bet BYD will open an EV (unionized plant) in the US within the next few years to satisfy the UAW (Mexico will be sooner) and to get around tariffs. With so few parts in an EV compared to an ICE vehicle ....actual extra costs due to Union Labor will not be significant/. Most of the parts (sub assemblies) will be made in Mexico ...move across the border for final assembly........Made in America slapped on the car. Matter of time Like the evolution from cameras with film to digital cameras...what does a burner phone with a camera cost these days....$50 at most the costs of taking a photo...peanuts and the cost of maintaining /charging up an EV Peanuts Tech Brew EV prices dropped again in February, nearing parity with ICE vehicles EVs' price premium “remains a significant barrier for consumer adoption,” according to one analyst. . Mar 19, 2024 Green Car Reports Half of 2024 EVs have lower 5-year ownership cost vs. ICE Despite strong depreciation, and before several more EV models qualified for the tax credit, nearly half of EVs cost less over time. . Apr 14, 2024 LOL Your link: "A 2020 Consumer Reports study found that the ownership-cost advantages of EVs were particularly strong for SUVs and pickup trucks, for example."... and I guarantee they are calling Hybrids EV's to make this claim because NO actual EV comes close. To believe that garbage you have to have your head so far up your arse, you have forgotten what shit smells like. There is no viable EV PU let alone SUV for sale, let alone at an affordable price currently. ICE are literally half the cost and can actually FUNCTION as a PU truck or SUV which the EV's cannot. Oh yea, and their insurance costs less than half. So no... Link is pure LIE and last I checked it is 2024... not 2020... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 542 GE 5 hours ago (edited) On 6/13/2024 at 8:59 PM, Ecocharger said: "There are growing reports of electric car drivers suffering motion sickness, dizziness and nausea from the vehicles' braking and acceleration systems. Perhaps because they offer way more performance than ICE cars. Similarly a modern jet fighter flown to its limits will cause more nausea than some old biplane. They should probably dial back the horsepower on some EVs. Old people that are used to gas clunkers probably can't properly handle that kind of power. Just Funny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TahsL46ctpE Edited 5 hours ago by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 542 GE 5 hours ago Tesla model S has 670 - 1,020 HP depending on package. That is nuts. My current (gas) daily driver is 110 HP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 542 GE 4 hours ago 4 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: There is no viable EV PU let alone SUV for sale, let alone at an affordable price currently. ICE are literally half the cost and can actually FUNCTION as a PU truck or SUV which the EV's cannot. Oh yea, and their insurance costs less than half. So no... Link is pure LIE and last I checked it is 2024... not 2020... Most people who drive PU trucks do not work with them, they drive them to office jobs. Look in the box of most PU trucks you see, no scratches from doing actual work. They just played with too many Tonka trucks as kids and want to feel like a big man. Probably the same reason they need to own guns; played with G.I. Joe dolls too much. Go Joe! SUVs are just modified minivans... What percentage of Jeep owners do you imagine drive them off-road like in the commercials? In reality they drive them in a city to Walmart to buy crap. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,151 DM 4 hours ago (edited) 4 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: LOL Your link: "A 2020 Consumer Reports study found that the ownership-cost advantages of EVs were particularly strong for SUVs and pickup trucks, for example."... and I guarantee they are calling Hybrids EV's to make this claim because NO actual EV comes close. To believe that garbage you have to have your head so far up your arse, you have forgotten what shit smells like. There is no viable EV PU let alone SUV for sale, let alone at an affordable price currently. ICE are literally half the cost and can actually FUNCTION as a PU truck or SUV which the EV's cannot. Oh yea, and their insurance costs less than half. So no... Link is pure LIE and last I checked it is 2024... not 2020... Luddite, you get upset very easily when the news of the day does not work to support your BS . so strap on a new diaper and get used to the facts the prices of EVs are dropping fast and your beloved Clunkers?????? EV sales are rising around the world and Clunkers????? well they are losing more and more market share every day Pesky solar panels and EVs CleanTechnica What Falling Sales? Global EV Sales Grow 25% in April! EVs Now 18% of World Auto Sales. Global plugin vehicle registrations were up 25% in April 2024 compared to April 2023. . 5 days ago China, its the worlds largest new car market and EVs now have 50 percent of the market, all due to the low cost of EVs only a matter of time that low cost EVs will take over the US market........ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-06-07/long-range-evs-now-cost-less-than-the-average-us-new-car Long-Range EVs Now Cost Less Than the Average New ... Bloomberg https://www.bloomberg.com › news › articles › long-ran... Jun 7, 2024 — EVs Pass a Key Measure of Price Parity in US. Several 300-mile range EVs now cost less than the average new car ; EV Lease Deals Are Winning on ... https://www.emergingtechbrew.com/stories/2024/03/19/ev-prices-february-2024-kbb Tech Brew https://www.emergingtechbrew.com › stories › 2024/03/19 Mar 19, 2024 — EV prices dropped 12.8% YoY in February—the latest sign that plug-in cars could soon reach price parity with combustion engine vehicles. Edited 4 hours ago by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,151 DM 3 hours ago Luddites, strap on your diapers, China is releasing EV pickup trucks this year........ China's BYD to launch first electric pickup truck this year CNBC https://www.cnbc.com › 2024/04/04 › chinas-byd-to-la... Apr 4, 2024 — BYD teased its upcoming electric pickup truck which the Chinese auto giant said it would launch in 2024. BYD. BYD China Reveals ALL NEW $25,000 Pickup Truck That Shocks ... YouTube · Wallay Blue 69.5K+ views · 2 months ago 10:11 China has unveiled a groundbreaking $25000 pickup truck that has sent shockwaves through the entire automotive industry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,151 DM 3 hours ago (edited) The World Economic Forum China has an EV advantage but can it maintain its edge? Chinese automakers account for more than half of the electric vehicles (EVs) produced worldwide. Research shows there is growing consumer... . 22 hours ago some of the highlights....no room for Clunkers in the Chinese market AlixPartners’ recently published Electric Vehicle Consumer Sentiment Survey indicates China’s EV market, by far the largest in the world, is poised to flourish. Some 97% of 1,000 China-based respondents to our study said their next vehicle purchase is likely to be an EV, compared to 35% in the US and 43% in Europe. EVs sell in China for the equivalent of $34,400, considerably lower than the $55,242 average selling price in the US. Edited 3 hours ago by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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