footeab@yahoo.com + 2,139 February 8 24 minutes ago, Jeroen Goudswaard said: There are many reasons to lease a car. 1. New in country, or a history of accidents. A leased car will have a much lower insurance premium. 2. New technology like BEV. What is the value of the BEV after 4 years? Given that depreciation is the largest cost of a car, you might want to hedge your exposure by leasing. 3. Fixed duration employment contract in a foreign country. We all know the poor residual value of a car if you _need_ to sell. 4. To buy a car typically involves a loan. Dependent on your credit rating, this loan could be very expensive. Leasing might turn out to be cheaper. So, you want what you want and refuse to live within your means so will DEMAND a bright shiny new car instead of a used car you can afford... I've never had a car loan, and never get comprehensive insurance as I never need it due to the simple fact I do not waste my money on shiny bling bling stupidity. I love people who do. Makes me money. Anyone leasing is a MORON--> Why? You Can't Afford It. When I sell, I love stupid suckers who wish to LEASE. Charge them 2X and they smile and pay; it is wonderful[for me]. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,652 RP February 8 6 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: When I sell, Ahh so youre a salesman after all!!! I thought you hated salespeople and called them stupid (like you do to anyone who has a different opinion to your own) Guess you were always in the stupid category! Just for your info NO business exists without sales and thats a FACT, so pretty damn important wouldnt you say? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 649 February 8 https://www.braunability.com/us/en/blog/mobility-solutions/how-long-do-hybrid-batteries-last.html#:~:text=Hybrid Battery Life Expectancy,upper limit on battery life. I always thought that hybrids would make the most sense for most American drivers, unless full EVs were much lower in price. I almost traded by huge van for a small pickup since I already have two other vehicles and am done with most extensive travel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeroen Goudswaard + 57 February 9 On 2/8/2024 at 10:17 AM, footeab@yahoo.com said: So, you want what you want and refuse to live within your means so will DEMAND a bright shiny new car instead of a used car you can afford... I've never had a car loan, and never get comprehensive insurance as I never need it due to the simple fact I do not waste my money on shiny bling bling stupidity. I love people who do. Makes me money. Anyone leasing is a MORON--> Why? You Can't Afford It. When I sell, I love stupid suckers who wish to LEASE. Charge them 2X and they smile and pay; it is wonderful[for me]. A used car that is within immediate cash reach would have to be 25% of new value. That's about an 8 year old car. An 8 year old car will have considerable maintenance costs. Suspension, timing belt, tyres, brake pads etc. That's the predictable part of it. If you are reallly going "cheap" you will have to deal with poor maintenance by the earlier owners. Then it could really go out of hand. That's why 4 year old cars with a full maintenance record are popular. But these cost 50% of new, and will likely need a loan. It turns out that buying a 4 year old car and keeping it for 4 years before you sell it is the cheapest option. But only if you can sell it well, only if you have a good no-claims record, and only if you can predict the residual value. What do you prefer? A monthly cost (incl. depreciation) anywhere between $200-800. Or a fixed predictable cost of $500. For many of us, it's better to let someone else take the risk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 February 9 7 hours ago, Jeroen Goudswaard said: A used car that is within immediate cash reach would have to be 25% of new value. That's about an 8 year old car. An 8 year old car will have considerable maintenance costs. Suspension, timing belt, tyres, brake pads etc. That's the predictable part of it. If you are reallly going "cheap" you will have to deal with poor maintenance by the earlier owners. Then it could really go out of hand. That's why 4 year old cars with a full maintenance record are popular. But these cost 50% of new, and will likely need a loan. It turns out that buying a 4 year old car and keeping it for 4 years before you sell it is the cheapest option. But only if you can sell it well, only if you have a good no-claims record, and only if you can predict the residual value. What do you prefer? A monthly cost (incl. depreciation) anywhere between $200-800. Or a fixed predictable cost of $500. For many of us, it's better to let someone else take the risk. If I may ask...actually base upon the depth of your posting...it would be fruitless. But then again perhaps the above analysis is common place in the EU. As of late some very suspect decisions have Bern made...Such Is Life. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,139 February 10 15 hours ago, Jeroen Goudswaard said: A used car that is within immediate cash reach would have to be 25% of new value. That's about an 8 year old car. An 8 year old car will have considerable maintenance costs. Suspension, timing belt, tyres, brake pads etc. That's the predictable part of it. If you are reallly going "cheap" you will have to deal with poor maintenance by the earlier owners. Then it could really go out of hand. That's why 4 year old cars with a full maintenance record are popular. But these cost 50% of new, and will likely need a loan. It turns out that buying a 4 year old car and keeping it for 4 years before you sell it is the cheapest option. But only if you can sell it well, only if you have a good no-claims record, and only if you can predict the residual value. What do you prefer? A monthly cost (incl. depreciation) anywhere between $200-800. Or a fixed predictable cost of $500. For many of us, it's better to let someone else take the risk. Are you insane? A $50k car loses $25k over 4 years... If you trade it in that is ALL you get.... That depreciation only happens if you hit 100,000 miles(160,000km) if you actually OWN the car... or ~$6000/year or $500/month for your scenario. If you actually OWN the car it is it is usually ~half that cost if private sale.   Or, since your average home requires 2 cars if not 3 if you have Older children, you can buy 2 used cars 10 year old you can buy for ~ ALL in cost of $10k(including any deferred maintenance) per car with $5000 left over for a junker that runs for you kid. Those 3 cars will run without major maintenance for another 7 years @15,000 miles/year and far more likely is 15 years with some maintenance which is absurdly easy to do. If you can't figure out how to change out spark plugs etc, well that is your fault.  Cost of owning used cars is literally 25% of your cost(Its actually far cheaper than this due to insurance costs, etc). Oh boo hoo, it is not new and ***might*** have a breakdown. So? Fix it. Not difficult. Why you have multiple cars to begin with. Last car I bought was a Honda Odyssey... I have paid $700 to fix it($120 was a new battery) and got it for free as it was not running and was headed to the scrapper... It has run for an additional 12 years now with the only addition of typical, brakes, oil, etc.  12 years/ $600 or $50/year... Not $500 per month or $6000/year.  Want just as cheap? Buy a used police car. Can pick them up here in the USA for ~$5k-->8K with ~50k-->85k miles on them where near all of them are highway miles. You would have to be an IDIOT to buy new or LEASE, but millions do every year. Why? EGO-->PRIDE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 501 GE February 10 (edited) On 2/9/2024 at 6:41 PM, footeab@yahoo.com said: 2 used cars 10 year old you can buy for ~ ALL in cost of $10k(including any deferred maintenance) per car with $5000 left over for a junker that runs for you kid. Those 3 cars will run without major maintenance for another 7 years @15,000 miles/year and far more likely is 15 years with some maintenance which is absurdly easy to do. If you can't figure out how to change out spark plugs etc, well that is your fault. It is highly unlikely a 10 year old car can get to 17 years old without major maintenance or repairs. If you look at the owners manual you will notice some pretty significant maintenance (transmission service, coolant flushes, brake pads) and likely repairs (battery replacement, fuel pump, brake rotors, your spark plugs). This is of course on top of all the fluid changes. I guess it depends on what you call major. Then of course there is the chance of the car getting seriously damaged in an accident during that 7 years, and the insurance will not pay much for a old beater. With a car less than 5 years old you can get full new replacement value insurance; although it is very expensive after year two. The math is only super great if you get somewhat lucky on your used cars, do your own work, and don't get hit or hit someone. Even then your budget math should include paying yourself for time spent troubleshooting and fixing old cars, and any time when the vehicle is out of service. There is a reason why the warranties often expire at 10 years 100,000Km. Edited February 11 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,097 DM February 10 3 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Are you insane? A $50k car loses $25k over 4 years... If you trade it in that is ALL you get.... That depreciation only happens if you hit 100,000 miles(160,000km) if you actually OWN the car... or ~$6000/year or $500/month for your scenario. If you actually OWN the car it is it is usually ~half that cost if private sale.   Or, since your average home requires 2 cars if not 3 if you have Older children, you can buy 2 used cars 10 year old you can buy for ~ ALL in cost of $10k(including any deferred maintenance) per car with $5000 left over for a junker that runs for you kid. Those 3 cars will run without major maintenance for another 7 years @15,000 miles/year and far more likely is 15 years with some maintenance which is absurdly easy to do. If you can't figure out how to change out spark plugs etc, well that is your fault.  Cost of owning used cars is literally 25% of your cost(Its actually far cheaper than this due to insurance costs, etc). Oh boo hoo, it is not new and ***might*** have a breakdown. So? Fix it. Not difficult. Why you have multiple cars to begin with. Last car I bought was a Honda Odyssey... I have paid $700 to fix it($120 was a new battery) and got it for free as it was not running and was headed to the scrapper... It has run for an additional 12 years now with the only addition of typical, brakes, oil, etc.  12 years/ $600 or $50/year... Not $500 per month or $6000/year.  Want just as cheap? Buy a used police car. Can pick them up here in the USA for ~$5k-->8K with ~50k-->85k miles on them where near all of them are highway miles. You would have to be an IDIOT to buy new or LEASE, but millions do every year. Why? EGO-->PRIDE  You would have to be an IDIOT to buy new or LEASE, but millions do every year. Why? EGO-->PRIDE....  You live in Cuba?????they never buy new cars.....millions are in your boat  can you say........ Giddy Up 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 501 GE February 10 (edited) 7 hours ago, notsonice said:  You would have to be an IDIOT to buy new or LEASE, but millions do every year. Why? EGO-->PRIDE....  You live in Cuba?????they never buy new cars.....millions are in your boat  can you say........ Giddy Up You know you have to listen to financial advice from someone who drives free clunkers. He is literally driving someones garbage. "got it for free as it was not running and was headed to the scrapper" His own "math" is also trash. How does $700 plus a brake job and labour equal $600? "I have paid $700 to fix it($120 was a new battery) and got it for free as it was not running and was headed to the scrapper... It has run for an additional 12 years now with the only addition of typical, brakes, oil, etc.  12 years/ $600 or $50/year... Not $500 per month or $6000/year." Edited February 10 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 February 10 (edited) 12 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Are you insane? A $50k car loses $25k over 4 years... If you trade it in that is ALL you get.... That depreciation only happens if you hit 100,000 miles(160,000km) if you actually OWN the car... or ~$6000/year or $500/month for your scenario. If you actually OWN the car it is it is usually ~half that cost if private sale.   Or, since your average home requires 2 cars if not 3 if you have Older children, you can buy 2 used cars 10 year old you can buy for ~ ALL in cost of $10k(including any deferred maintenance) per car with $5000 left over for a junker that runs for you kid. Those 3 cars will run without major maintenance for another 7 years @15,000 miles/year and far more likely is 15 years with some maintenance which is absurdly easy to do. If you can't figure out how to change out spark plugs etc, well that is your fault.  Cost of owning used cars is literally 25% of your cost(Its actually far cheaper than this due to insurance costs, etc). Oh boo hoo, it is not new and ***might*** have a breakdown. So? Fix it. Not difficult. Why you have multiple cars to begin with. Last car I bought was a Honda Odyssey... I have paid $700 to fix it($120 was a new battery) and got it for free as it was not running and was headed to the scrapper... It has run for an additional 12 years now with the only addition of typical, brakes, oil, etc.  12 years/ $600 or $50/year... Not $500 per month or $6000/year.  Want just as cheap? Buy a used police car. Can pick them up here in the USA for ~$5k-->8K with ~50k-->85k miles on them where near all of them are highway miles. You would have to be an IDIOT to buy new or LEASE, but millions do every year. Why? EGO-->PRIDE He may well be speaking to European standards, which are vastly different from US standard's. I've assisted a few individuals rebuilding RV engine's/ suspensions in the EU, to say there parts network's machine shop network's are limited would be a understatement. Maintenance is extremely expensive, and VAT taxation is aborent. What the US citizens take for granted European citizens would find unbelievable. This is all due to socialist designed infrastructure...read stunted. Having a conversation about automotive dynamics is impossible, the foundations are strikingly different. One stark contrast...A starter in the US may cost say $125...the EU 500. It's a lovely place to maintain a auto. Then there is the retail market place...again stunted. Highly regulated and controlled, again stunted socialism. If you ever have wondered why offshore mfgs demand to come to U.S. shores...it can be explained in one word..holygrail. Edited February 10 by Eyes Wide Open 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polyphia + 71 LT February 10 12 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Are you insane? A $50k car loses $25k over 4 years... If you trade it in that is ALL you get.... That depreciation only happens if you hit 100,000 miles(160,000km) if you actually OWN the car... or ~$6000/year or $500/month for your scenario. If you actually OWN the car it is it is usually ~half that cost if private sale.   Or, since your average home requires 2 cars if not 3 if you have Older children, you can buy 2 used cars 10 year old you can buy for ~ ALL in cost of $10k(including any deferred maintenance) per car with $5000 left over for a junker that runs for you kid. Those 3 cars will run without major maintenance for another 7 years @15,000 miles/year and far more likely is 15 years with some maintenance which is absurdly easy to do. If you can't figure out how to change out spark plugs etc, well that is your fault.  Cost of owning used cars is literally 25% of your cost(Its actually far cheaper than this due to insurance costs, etc). Oh boo hoo, it is not new and ***might*** have a breakdown. So? Fix it. Not difficult. Why you have multiple cars to begin with. Last car I bought was a Honda Odyssey... I have paid $700 to fix it($120 was a new battery) and got it for free as it was not running and was headed to the scrapper... It has run for an additional 12 years now with the only addition of typical, brakes, oil, etc.  12 years/ $600 or $50/year... Not $500 per month or $6000/year.  Want just as cheap? Buy a used police car. Can pick them up here in the USA for ~$5k-->8K with ~50k-->85k miles on them where near all of them are highway miles. You would have to be an IDIOT to buy new or LEASE, but millions do every year. Why? EGO-->PRIDE You live in fantasy land. The only way any of this could even approach being a reality is if you are a mechanic, a MAJOR "hobby" of yours is tooling around with cars, or you have a friend who is a mechanic who will do work on your car for free (and get the parts at a reduced price). Oh yea, and you would have to be extremely lucky multiple times over that your used car doesn't have any major sort of significant malfunction (e.g., transmission blows). 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 February 10 7 minutes ago, Polyphia said: You live in fantasy land. The only way any of this could even approach being a reality is if you are a mechanic, a MAJOR "hobby" of yours is tooling around with cars, or you have a friend who is a mechanic who will do work on your car for free (and get the parts at a reduced price). Oh yea, and you would have to be extremely lucky multiple times over that your used car doesn't have any major sort of significant malfunction (e.g., transmission blows). Perhaps from a European perspective you might well be correct, from a US perspective not so much, open your eyes a smidgen. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcin2 + 725 MK February 10 I do not believe in electric cars especially in Poland, there are only 15,000 true ones here. This winter I drove 750 km one day to see Prague, a lovely ancient city. With electrci car it would be impossible. My boss has Tesla but it is out of pure business calculation, he has second business and sells expensive wines and clients love them delivered with Tesla. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polyphia + 71 LT February 10 9 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Perhaps from a European perspective you might well be correct, from a US perspective not so much, open your eyes a smidgen. Maybe it is a bigger problem in Europe, but no, it is an accurate application to the US, too. I'll open my eyes a smidgen if you stop being an obtuse gaslighting conspiracy theorist--deal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 February 11 (edited) 18 hours ago, Polyphia said: Maybe it is a bigger problem in Europe, but no, it is an accurate application to the US, too. I'll open my eyes a smidgen if you stop being an obtuse gaslighting conspiracy theorist--deal? Been there done that in the EU on a scale you might not imagine. No obfuscation nor theorist it's is a very regressive system..I could have been by far more harsh. There so called automotive safety inspection processes and the fines dolled out for cosmetic issue's. Tough crowd over there.  Edited February 11 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,139 February 11 (edited) On 2/10/2024 at 5:52 AM, Polyphia said: You live in fantasy land. The only way any of this could even approach being a reality is if you are a mechanic, a MAJOR "hobby" of yours is tooling around with cars, or you have a friend who is a mechanic who will do work on your car for free (and get the parts at a reduced price). Oh yea, and you would have to be extremely lucky multiple times over that your used car doesn't have any major sort of significant malfunction (e.g., transmission blows). So, because you REFUSE to learn SIMPLE shit any 12-->14 year old kid can learn and do; fixing a car in your world is "impossible"... Let me guess you grew up without a father?(I am sorry your growth as an adult was retarded) No it does not take anything more than a basic wrench set, a torch, a voltmeter, and an ODB2 scanner. Total cost of tools is around ~$1000 and if you go to a garage sale you can pick that stuff up for a fraction of that cost. True, if you buy it from SNAP-ON it will set you back $10,000--> No one owns snap-on tools you might have noticed...Pick up some free wood blocks and another clamp/jack. No, I do not do exhaust system work(never needs work anyways or needs 100% replacement). Everything else can be done with simple ass tools if you aren't LAZY. YOU are the definition of WHY Socialism sucks. YOU demand others do simple ass work for you as YOU are too damned LAZY to do for yourself and then bitch when they do it and charge you an arm and a leg for your lazyness....<<Look in the mirror>> EDIT: Suspension system stuff is a bit more difficult, but in last 20 years I have never had to do it. Modern cars run near maintenance free for 200,000 miles. If you get less than this other than a timing belt, ECR valve, and simple shit, you should be pissed. Oh yea, Never buy a used car from someone who drives on a dirt road... and never buy a used car from a used car dealer unless it is a used police car.  Private sale only. In age of internet looking up how long a car lasts is VERY simple IF, uh hem, IF you are NOT lazy. Edited February 11 by footeab@yahoo.com 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 501 GE February 12 (edited) 36 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: So, because you REFUSE to learn SIMPLE shit any 12-->14 year old kid can learn and do; fixing a car in your world is "impossible"... Let me guess you grew up without a father?(I am sorry your growth as an adult was retarded) No it does not take anything more than a basic wrench set, a torch, a voltmeter, and an ODB2 scanner. Total cost of tools is around ~$1000 and if you go to a garage sale you can pick that stuff up for a fraction of that cost. True, if you buy it from SNAP-ON it will set you back $10,000--> No one owns snap-on tools you might have noticed...Pick up some free wood blocks and another clamp/jack. No, I do not do exhaust system work(never needs work anyways or needs 100% replacement). Everything else can be done with simple ass tools if you aren't LAZY. YOU are the definition of WHY Socialism sucks. YOU demand others do simple ass work for you as YOU are too damned LAZY to do for yourself and then bitch when they do it and charge you an arm and a leg for your lazyness....<<Look in the mirror>> EDIT: Suspension system stuff is a bit more difficult, but in last 20 years I have never had to do it. Modern cars run near maintenance free for 200,000 miles. If you get less than this other than a timing belt, ECR valve, and simple shit, you should be pissed. Oh yea, Never buy a used car from someone who drives on a dirt road... and never buy a used car from a used car dealer unless it is a used police car.  Private sale only. In age of internet looking up how long a car lasts is VERY simple IF, uh hem, IF you are NOT lazy. You are an expert at fixing shit because you drive shitty cars. Smart people make money and pay other people to have busted knuckles and dirty fingernails. Secondly, if you are buying quality tools for a very low price you are probably buying stolen tools or defrauding a widow. Lastly, if you never work on exhaust systems you are driving noisy, extra polluting cars. The fossil cult claims catalytic converters make oil clean but that is not true if your car has a rusty exhaust or no cat at all.  Edited February 12 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,652 RP February 12 On 2/10/2024 at 5:42 PM, Marcin2 said: I do not believe in electric cars especially in Poland, there are only 15,000 true ones here. This winter I drove 750 km one day to see Prague, a lovely ancient city. With electrci car it would be impossible. My boss has Tesla but it is out of pure business calculation, he has second business and sells expensive wines and clients love them delivered with Tesla. Why would it? just recharge it at one of the 224,000 charging points Download the app to show you where these will be on your route take a break whilst your vehicle is recharging as I'm sure you need a toilet break and a coffee and something to eat at some point and there you are! Charging your electric vehicle in Europe | RAC Drive Chargemap - charging stations for electric cars Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,097 DM February 12 (edited) On 2/10/2024 at 10:42 AM, Marcin2 said: I do not believe in electric cars especially in Poland, there are only 15,000 true ones here. This winter I drove 750 km one day to see Prague, a lovely ancient city. With electrci car it would be impossible. My boss has Tesla but it is out of pure business calculation, he has second business and sells expensive wines and clients love them delivered with Tesla. Poland is stuck in the past......Coal Coal Coal .......Oil Oil Oil Latest news out of Poland Poland’s new government has promised a new coal phase-out date as it signalled support for a 90% reduction in net greenhouse gas output across the EU by 2040   Let me guess you are upset with your new government and their adoption of a Green Strategy and then you start posting BS....... Nice try I drove 750 km one day to see Prague, a lovely ancient city. With electrci car it would be impossible????? BS it is not impossible to drive to Prague from Poland in an EV, unless you really are clueless PS??? How long is it going to take to clean all the coal soot off of all the lovely buildings in Praque.  Poland to withdraw court cases against EU climate policies Reuters https://www.reuters.com › world › europe › poland-with...    Feb 2, 2024 — Poland will no longer take the EU to court to attempt to cancel numerous climate change policies, and is preparing to withdraw lawsuits the ...    Poland's new government commits to join EU 'fight' against ... Euronews.com https://www.euronews.com › Green › Green News    Jan 15, 2024 — Poland's new government commits to join EU 'fight' against climate change.  Poles are less concerned about climate change than their ... European Investment Bank https://www.eib.org › infographics › poland-less-conc...    The survey also reveals, that – with only 40% of Poles believing that climate change has already become a threat to humanity, against 59% for the EU average – ...  Missing: denial ‎| Show results with: denial   Edited February 12 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polyphia + 71 LT February 16 On 2/11/2024 at 6:43 PM, footeab@yahoo.com said: So, because you REFUSE to learn SIMPLE shit any 12-->14 year old kid can learn and do; fixing a car in your world is "impossible"... Let me guess you grew up without a father?(I am sorry your growth as an adult was retarded) No it does not take anything more than a basic wrench set, a torch, a voltmeter, and an ODB2 scanner. Total cost of tools is around ~$1000 and if you go to a garage sale you can pick that stuff up for a fraction of that cost. True, if you buy it from SNAP-ON it will set you back $10,000--> No one owns snap-on tools you might have noticed...Pick up some free wood blocks and another clamp/jack. No, I do not do exhaust system work(never needs work anyways or needs 100% replacement). Everything else can be done with simple ass tools if you aren't LAZY. YOU are the definition of WHY Socialism sucks. YOU demand others do simple ass work for you as YOU are too damned LAZY to do for yourself and then bitch when they do it and charge you an arm and a leg for your lazyness....<<Look in the mirror>> EDIT: Suspension system stuff is a bit more difficult, but in last 20 years I have never had to do it. Modern cars run near maintenance free for 200,000 miles. If you get less than this other than a timing belt, ECR valve, and simple shit, you should be pissed. Oh yea, Never buy a used car from someone who drives on a dirt road... and never buy a used car from a used car dealer unless it is a used police car.  Private sale only. In age of internet looking up how long a car lasts is VERY simple IF, uh hem, IF you are NOT lazy. I have to say if nothing else, you are consistent--in terms of spewing some (usually hate-filled) verbal diarrhea. Once again, you pull things out of your arse, and throw them at the wall to see if anything might stick. Since you brought it up, my father worked as...wait for it...a mechanic. And while I did learn some of the basics about car maintenance and repair, I didn't learn how to complete the more major repairs. I had scholarly and athletic activities that were more meaningful to me that I pursued, which enabled me to be the very productive member of society that I have been my entire life. It is not that I couldn't have learned more about car repair, I just chose not to--I don't enjoy doing it, and I am successful enough that I can pay someone else to do it. And I don't complain about how much it costs me either. I am wise enough to find someone who is honest, who charges reasonable rates for labor, and who doesn't charge astronomical mark-ups on parts. Your expectation that EVERONE has to learn to do it, and if they do not learn they are LAZY, is close-minded and absolutely ridiculous. Should I expect everyone to have a PhD because it has served me well? So let's turn to you and your behavior. Let me guess, you were dropped on your head frequently as a child (explains the nonsensical ideas you have that are never backed up by data or reality) and/or your mother did not love you enough/at all (explains your incessant hostility)? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 501 GE February 16 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Polyphia said: I have to say if nothing else, you are consistent--in terms of spewing some (usually hate-filled) verbal diarrhea. Once again, you pull things out of your arse, and throw them at the wall to see if anything might stick. Since you brought it up, my father worked as...wait for it...a mechanic. And while I did learn some of the basics about car maintenance and repair, I didn't learn how to complete the more major repairs. I had scholarly and athletic activities that were more meaningful to me that I pursued, which enabled me to be the very productive member of society that I have been my entire life. It is not that I couldn't have learned more about car repair, I just chose not to--I don't enjoy doing it, and I am successful enough that I can pay someone else to do it. And I don't complain about how much it costs me either. I am wise enough to find someone who is honest, who charges reasonable rates for labor, and who doesn't charge astronomical mark-ups on parts. Your expectation that EVERONE has to learn to do it, and if they do not learn they are LAZY, is close-minded and absolutely ridiculous. Should I expect everyone to have a PhD because it has served me well? So let's turn to you and your behavior. Let me guess, you were dropped on your head frequently as a child (explains the nonsensical ideas you have that are never backed up by data or reality) and/or your mother did not love you enough/at all (explains your incessant hostility)? One of my friends was / is a journey man mechanic. He did it for years but is now a power engineer making $230,000/a working 1 week on 1 week off at a oilsand (SAGD) facility). He has a son and there is zero chance he would tell his son to become a mechanic.  "Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be cowboysDon't let 'em pick guitars or drive them old trucksLet 'em be doctors and lawyers and such." He remains a very nice friend to have around though when you have a breakdown. When I was poor he did, a water pump, fuel pump, and a starter on various beaters for me, for free other than the auto-wrecker part (if we could find one). Foot would also be surprised I replaced a fuel pump this year by myself. Just because I generally choose not to do my own work doesn't mean I can't do my own work. Toyota wanted ~$1200 total and I did it myself with an Amazon part for about $400 and a bunch of my time and frustration. In hindsight I should have just paid Toyota. You have to remove the back seat to access the pump inside the gas tank, that was by far the most laborious thing. That back seat is bolted down like a mother f'. Had to use a big breaker bar on the torx bit. The job was absolutely not worth my time. I should have just thrown cash at the problem, but I got it done and it works just fine. A fuel pump is pretty trivial when you have years of experience working with very high pressure liquid chromatography systems (4000 - 5000 psi) worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. Edited February 16 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 649 February 17 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPbpPL5Atlw Ford & GM SHOCKED As EVs Are Catching Fire in HUGE Numbers! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 501 GE February 18 3 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPbpPL5Atlw Ford & GM SHOCKED As EVs Are Catching Fire in HUGE Numbers! YouTube is not a reference. Get a direct quote from Ford or GM. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,097 DM February 20 On 2/17/2024 at 3:30 PM, Ron Wagner said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPbpPL5Atlw Ford & GM SHOCKED As EVs Are Catching Fire in HUGE Numbers! most common cause of fires in all cars????? Fuel leaks........ who would have known that gasoline can catch fire????? 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 649 February 20 (edited) I think there might be more fires in EVs if they were more popular and people could afford them. Fewer fires because fewer EVs. According to recent data from the U.S. Department of Energy, not much. In this graphic, we visualize light-duty vehicle registrations in 2022, broken out by fuel type. It shows that out of the 281 million cars registered nationally, electric (EV) and plug-in hybrid (PHEV) vehicles represented only 1.2%.Nov 21, 2023  Visualized: EV Market Share in the U.S. - Visual Capitalist Edited February 20 by Ron Wagner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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