Old-Ruffneck + 1,245 er August 30 10 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Did anyone die? I don't know, they aren't after a week, talking about it in the news. That is one helluva blow-out. While some may think and say it's the worst pollution and ban oil. They are the ignorant ones. How is oil made? If you don't know the answer then do some research. Don't pole vault over mouse turds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,245 er August 30 1 hour ago, notsonice said: oh my how much oil was spilled as a result?????? the United States federal government estimated the total discharge at 4.9 MMbbl guess the old Luddite has to cling onto something , such as a burning EV photo, and at the same time his selective memory blocks out the reality of what oil does to nature, the planet as a whole and to everyone's health. Now I hope he appreciates the photo you posted...........it should be the number one reason in everyone's mind on why reducing the use of oil is a good thing. Posting ignorant comments just shows your intelligence and how low your IQ really is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM August 31 (edited) 17 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Did anyone die? 17 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Did anyone die? oh my how much oil was spilled as a result?????? the United States federal government estimated the total discharge at 4.9 MMbbl guess the old Luddites have to cling onto something , such as a burning EV photo, and at the same time their selective memories blocks out the reality of what oil does to nature, the planet as a whole and to everyone's health. Now I hope the Luddites appreciate the photo you posted...........it should be the number one reason in everyone's mind on why reducing the use of oil is a good thing. Then again the Luddites really do not want to address their own sins that are driven by their own greed. How many people were convicted in the big spill???????? the coverup was pretty big.....all in an effort to hide how bad they screwed up Edited August 31 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM August 31 (edited) On 8/21/2024 at 7:17 PM, Old-Ruffneck said: Name calling.....sad. I am not quite sure why your fixated on China's numbers? You actually believe their propaganda? Another hysterical Leftie thinking Kamala is gonna win and all will be the same. thinking Kamala is gonna win???? hey your posting it .................you brought up the discussion ................you seem quite worried ...so much so that you are now babbling bs hysterically about others who never express an opinion one way or another ....... Now one famous news agency just posted some real news........did you catch the recent poll numbers straight out of Fox news yesterday ....oh my or do you think this is more Chinese propaganda???? the only one that is hysterical these days is the one who claims the poll numbers are all fake or anything that does not support coal or oil must be posting fake news.............. now back to reality....price of oil cratered again today.........do you think this is another Chinese fake news story BRENT CRUDE •8 hours 76.93 -1.89 -2.40% an oversupplied market with the lack of demand Pesky Chinese EVs or do you think that any news that does not fit your wrapped sense of reality is China propaganda?????? 71% of Americans believe the climate crisis is harming ... CNN https://www.cnn.com › americans-climate-harm-pew-poll Oct 25, 2023 — A large majority of Americans – 71% – believe the climate crisis is causing at least some harm to people in the US. Edited August 31 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM August 31 as one of the Forum Luddites thinks all news about booming EV production numbers are just Chinese propaganda I thought I should post some good old fashioned straight out the most trusted news sources in the world Reuters China auto market hits milestone as EVs, hybrids make up half of July sales BEIJING, Aug 8 (Reuters) - Half of all vehicles sold in China in July were either new pure electric vehicles (EV) or plug-in hybrids,... . 3 weeks ago S&P Global Fuel for Thought: Electrification in China — On Track but Challenging Mainland China's transition to electrification reached a major milestone in July 2024 when sales of new-energy vehicles (NEVs) surpassed... . 1 day ago Fox Business Chinese company poised to overtake Tesla as biggest EV maker on path to global leadership: report Chinese electric vehicle manufacturer BYD already sells more units than Tesla, which includes hybrid EVs, but the manufacturer plans to... . Jan 3, 2024 Fortune Trump invites Chinese automakers to build cars in the U.S. Former President Donald Trump has reiterated an openness for Chinese automakers to build cars in the US as a way to boost the economy. . 1 month ago Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonathb + 10 JB September 4 If EV sales are collapsing so bad, how come Uncle Sam has to slap a 100% tariff on them? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,007 GE September 10 Power lines and EV's don't explode and kill 48 in a single event. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Nigeria-Fuel-Truck-Explosion-Kills-48.html 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM September 11 (edited) Pesky EVs....looks like sales did not collapse Reuters China oil products demand begins decline from 2023 peak, researcher says Oil products demand in China, long the driver of global crude consumption, peaked in 2023 and is forecast to decrease by 1.1% annually... . 23 hours ago Crude Oil Prices Today | OilPrice.com Researcher Claims China's Oil Product Demand Peaked in 2023 China's oil product demand has reached its peak and is expected to decline significantly in the coming years due to the shift towards... . 21 hours ago Edited September 11 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL September 11 On 9/4/2024 at 12:40 PM, jonathb said: If EV sales are collapsing so bad, how come Uncle Sam has to slap a 100% tariff on them? You have just answered your own question. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,007 GE September 11 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: You have just answered your own question. Tariffs reduce sales, if no American wanted to buy foreign made EVs there would be no reason to put a tariff on them. It's protectionism of US vehicle manufactures at the expense of the average Joe who has to pay double for a cheap EV. Simple. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL September 11 (edited) 5 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Tariffs reduce sales, if no American wanted to buy foreign made EVs there would be no reason to put a tariff on them. It's protectionism of US vehicle manufactures at the expense of the average Joe who has to pay double for a cheap EV. Simple. Except the average Joseph (like you and I) do not even own an EV. And will not own one now, for sure. Where is that lady to answer our concerns about this? She got off lightly last night. Edited September 11 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM September 12 (edited) Pesky EVs....looks like sales did not collapse https://cnevpost.com/2024/09/11/china-nev-retail-214000-in-sept-1-8-2024/ China NEV retail at 214,000 in Sept 1-8, up 11% from same period last month Lei Kang Sep 11, 2024 18:36 GMT+8 China's NEV retail penetration was 55.15 percent in the September 1-8 period, and 44.92 percent year-to-date. 55 percent now was 53 in August...... by the end of the year 65% and the end of 2025.....85% then the exporting on a massive scale takes place Oil is doomed no more growth....$100 oil ??????not in 2025 or 2026 Edited September 12 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL September 12 17 hours ago, notsonice said: Pesky EVs....looks like sales did not collapse https://cnevpost.com/2024/09/11/china-nev-retail-214000-in-sept-1-8-2024/ China NEV retail at 214,000 in Sept 1-8, up 11% from same period last month Lei Kang Sep 11, 2024 18:36 GMT+8 China's NEV retail penetration was 55.15 percent in the September 1-8 period, and 44.92 percent year-to-date. 55 percent now was 53 in August...... by the end of the year 65% and the end of 2025.....85% then the exporting on a massive scale takes place Oil is doomed no more growth....$100 oil ??????not in 2025 or 2026 The Chinese data are wild and getting wilder...looks like about 96% of the Chinese transportation sector is still fossil fuel. Sorry, buddy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM September 13 (edited) 9 hours ago, Ecocharger said: The Chinese data are wild and getting wilder...looks like about 96% of the Chinese transportation sector is still fossil fuel. Sorry, buddy. How is that oil demand in China going these days??? getting hot and hotter everyday???? Pesky EVs ruining your clunker parade???? Electric Cars Are Driving China Toward the End of the Age ... Bloomberg https://www.bloomberg.com › graphics › 2023-china-ev-... Dec 21, 2023 — Rapid uptake of battery-powered vehicles means China may already have reached peak oil demand, years earlier than anyone expected. PS this is what a transition looks like....When is the last time you bought a roll of film????? looks like a tech transition takes around 15 to 20 years Edited September 13 by notsonice 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL September 16 Film cameras are only the marginal end of anything. That all you can come up with? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 707 September 16 It is more like just a total vehicle sales collapse now. Stellantis is closing out Dodge, Chrysler, Ram Trucks, and Jeep. Many thousands of unsold Jeeps are owned by dealers that are now 2003, 2004, and 2005 models. Dealers are being left to fail without help from Stellantis. Ford, Chevy, and all the others are suffering from lack of sales. This is due to jacking up prices to unaffordable prices. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM September 17 (edited) On 9/15/2024 at 7:24 PM, Ecocharger said: Film cameras are only the marginal end of anything. That all you can come up with? Film cameras are only the marginal end of anything.????? yet they were the answer for recording images for 150 years and no one thought it would become obsolete same as the horse drawn carriages or the coal fired locomotive or the incandescent light bulb or the landline telephone or floppy disks or VCRs or Video disks or phone books or vacuum tubes now lets talk about electricity in homes, Rome was not built overnight....looks like it took 50 years for Electricity to reach/homes retrofitted with wiring in every household in the US ....now you tell me how many new homes were built after 1900 without electricity........ Next up your clunker.......your clunkers only have a life span of around 15 years ...... Enjoy the transition.........will anyone sell a car in 2030 that does not have the ability to plug it in??? Edited September 17 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL September 19 On 9/16/2024 at 8:00 PM, notsonice said: Film cameras are only the marginal end of anything.????? yet they were the answer for recording images for 150 years and no one thought it would become obsolete same as the horse drawn carriages or the coal fired locomotive or the incandescent light bulb or the landline telephone or floppy disks or VCRs or Video disks or phone books or vacuum tubes now lets talk about electricity in homes, Rome was not built overnight....looks like it took 50 years for Electricity to reach/homes retrofitted with wiring in every household in the US ....now you tell me how many new homes were built after 1900 without electricity........ Next up your clunker.......your clunkers only have a life span of around 15 years ...... Enjoy the transition.........will anyone sell a car in 2030 that does not have the ability to plug it in??? Your world ends in 1955? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL September 19 On 9/16/2024 at 12:12 AM, Ron Wagner said: It is more like just a total vehicle sales collapse now. Stellantis is closing out Dodge, Chrysler, Ram Trucks, and Jeep. Many thousands of unsold Jeeps are owned by dealers that are now 2003, 2004, and 2005 models. Dealers are being left to fail without help from Stellantis. Ford, Chevy, and all the others are suffering from lack of sales. This is due to jacking up prices to unaffordable prices. This is concomitant with the collapse of EV sales, so it is not anything related to a transition or technological change...just the downside of the economy-wide business cycle. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM September 19 4 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Your world ends in 1955? 1955 .........you were alive in 55???? boy your are an old fart....... get used to tech changes...... your ICE clunkers are being replaced with EVs and Plugin hybrids....voooom voooooom nothing wrong with new Tech is there???? and the kicker , it means less and less oil use cars are evolving fast.........for a Luddite such as yourself............hold on tite....... your gas powered golf carts are a thing of the past The Arizona Republic Silence reigns as electric vehicle makers show off RVs, motorbikes and golf carts No exhaust fumes lingered in the air and the vehicles made little noise at an exhibition of new electric vehicle technology. . May 9, 2024 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL September 20 (edited) 7 hours ago, notsonice said: 1955 .........you were alive in 55???? boy your are an old fart....... get used to tech changes...... your ICE clunkers are being replaced with EVs and Plugin hybrids....voooom voooooom nothing wrong with new Tech is there???? and the kicker , it means less and less oil use cars are evolving fast.........for a Luddite such as yourself............hold on tite....... your gas powered golf carts are a thing of the past The Arizona Republic Silence reigns as electric vehicle makers show off RVs, motorbikes and golf carts No exhaust fumes lingered in the air and the vehicles made little noise at an exhibition of new electric vehicle technology. . May 9, 2024 Sorry old man, you are really glued to the EV mantra again. Take a brief look at reality for once (just for once) and see what is happening to your precious EV markets in the free world. EV sales are DOWN big-time and this has caused the decline in EV sales prices. EVs are now in full retreat, no surprise, just as predicted here. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/European-Carmakers-Call-for-Urgent-Action-as-EV-Sales-Crash.html "Battery electric vehicle (BEV) registrations in the European Union tumbled by 44% in August from a year earlier as all new car sales slumped by 18%, the European Automobile Manufacturers' Association, ACEA, said on Thursday,..." "The total market share of BEVs dipped to 14.4% from 21% a year earlier. “This was driven by the spectacular drop in the two biggest markets for BEV cars: Germany (-68.8%) and France (-33.1%),” ACEA said today...." "With lower EV sales than expected, major carmakers in the U.S. and Europe are scaling back production of electric vehicles amid overcapacity and are rethinking their ambitious EV sales goals." Sorry to puncture your dreams again, old boy. Edited September 20 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,007 GE September 20 15 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Sorry old man, you are really glued to the EV mantra again. Take a brief look at reality for once (just for once) and see what is happening to your precious EV markets in the free world. EV sales are DOWN big-time and this has caused the decline in EV sales prices. EVs are now in full retreat, no surprise, just as predicted here. You have numerous posts about an economic downturn. Do you see the biases in your opinions? If the price of oil or the number of ICE vehicles sold goes down you attribute it to a temporary blip in the economy. If the price of EVs or number sold goes down you attribute it to the outright death of an industry. Try logic 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL September 21 On 9/20/2024 at 2:01 PM, TailingsPond said: You have numerous posts about an economic downturn. Do you see the biases in your opinions? If the price of oil or the number of ICE vehicles sold goes down you attribute it to a temporary blip in the economy. If the price of EVs or number sold goes down you attribute it to the outright death of an industry. Try logic No, sorry, both EV sales and ICE sales are down together, which indicates that this is not just a realignment of the market but a total market decline, indicative of a general economic recession. However, EV sales have been hammered much more severely than ICEs, so that shows how the EV experiment was dependent upon temporary government supports, which have now come off. The EV experiment was fun, but brief. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,007 GE September 21 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: The EV experiment was fun, but brief. LOL. Just watch, EVs will continue to be sold. Tell me when (an actual date) when a major vehicle manufacturer will completely swear off making new EVs. No, Ford scaling back one plant does not count. Show me when Ford says they won't make any EVs. Edited September 21 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,007 GE September 21 https://www.ford.ca/electric-vehicles/ GM is committed to 100% EV https://www.gm.ca/en/home/commitments/electrification.html 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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