America Is Exceptional in Its Political Divide

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The divide has come to an end...Yugely 

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Edited November 17 by Eyes Wide Open

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The American people have seen what the Demoncrats are like long enough. The Trump tidal wave will continue to build for four years, and others Republicans will continue to build the wave. Vance may be next. He is an excellent campaigner. 

Edited November 22 by Ron Wagner

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Those who favor big government, usually the bureaucracy and government contractors have always sided with the erroneous Marxist ideology vs those who favor limited government, the protection of individual rights and free-market capitalism which has historically created the greatest prosperity for the majority. 

The former favors high taxes, regulatory fees, fines and penalties, and the latter favors minimal taxes and only malum in se regulations. Right now, it should be pretty obvious which group is in power and don't be fooled by those in the UniParty who claim to be in favor of liberty and free market capitalism yet always vote against them.       

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Those who favor big government, usually the bureaucracy and government contractors have always sided with the erroneous Marxist ideology vs those who favor limited government, the protection of individual rights and free-market capitalism which has historically created the greatest prosperity for the majority. 

The former favors high taxes, regulatory fees, fines and penalties, and the latter favors minimal taxes and only malum in se regulations. Right now, it should be pretty obvious which group is in power and don't be fooled by those in the UniParty who claim to be in favor of liberty and free market capitalism yet always vote against them.       

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5 hours ago, H. Skip Robinson said:

Those who favor big government, usually the bureaucracy and government contractors have always sided with the erroneous Marxist ideology vs those who favor limited government, the protection of individual rights and free-market capitalism which has historically created the greatest prosperity for the majority. 

The former favors high taxes, regulatory fees, fines and penalties, and the latter favors minimal taxes and only malum in se regulations. Right now, it should be pretty obvious which group is in power and don't be fooled by those in the UniParty who claim to be in favor of liberty and free market capitalism yet always vote against them.       

Tariffs are not free market capitalism.  Buying and selling oil from the petroleum reserves is not free market capitalism.

"Protection of individual rights" is a ridiculous comment in a time where women's rights are being taken away and the mass deportation plans.

The GOP took away your right to privacy years ago after 9/11.

Look at reality not ideologies.

Edited December 12 by TailingsPond

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13 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

Tariffs are not free market capitalism.  Buying and selling oil from the petroleum reserves is not free market capitalism.

"Protection of individual rights" is a ridiculous comment in a time where women's rights are being taken away and the mass deportation plans.

The GOP took away your right to privacy years ago after 9/11.

Look at reality not ideologies.

I reflect on what the limits of "Free Market Capitalism" (whatever that is) should be.

Can anyone propose any limits (a.k.a. Regulations)?

Edited December 12 by turbguy

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43 minutes ago, turbguy said:

I reflect on what the limits of "Free Market Capitalism" (whatever that is) should be.

Can anyone propose any limits (a.k.a. Regulations)?

Pure free market capitalism is just like democracy and communism.  They are concepts on paper but have never really existed.

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10 hours ago, turbguy said:

I reflect on what the limits of "Free Market Capitalism" (whatever that is) should be.

Can anyone propose any limits (a.k.a. Regulations)?

Yes, for the least, there should be a standard of quality before a product is allowed into the market. ( Regulation)

Products of low standard would waste resources, money and create unintended pollution unconsciously.

 

2. It is limited by how much capital one has to play in the market profitably and sustainably. ( Self limitation)

 

3. It is limited by availability of appropriate location ( self and geographical limitation)

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10 hours ago, specinho said:

Yes, for the least, there should be a standard of quality before a product is allowed into the market. ( Regulation)

Products of low standard would waste resources, money and create unintended pollution unconsciously.

Gee, such a "standard of quality" could impose a restriction on free speech is applied to social media "products".

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13 hours ago, turbguy said:

Gee, such a "standard of quality" could impose a restriction on free speech is applied to social media "products".

More than 10 years ago, i was fortunate to volunteer for a key note speaker in a conference called "Top 8 speakers in Asia". Was invited to have lunch with them.

One of the topic brought up was regarding free speech.

An example was brought up: there used to be a kind of media or reporters, who stepped beyond boundary of professional ethic and human right to disclose past relationship/ abortion/ stories of celebrities, current updates, out of wed lock pregnancies, who fornicate which rich last week etc. 

1. From one point of view, in order to increase sales of paper or magazine, reporters and media owner believe they need something new that could attract attention. So, they skew away from normal news path and take near to porn reporting style.

2. From another point of view,  privacy of celebrities are intruded rudely. But bad things that nobody willing to report before, or truth hidden behind hypocrisy, are disclosed by chance.

The discussion deduced that:

- definition of free speech ought to be standardized. This means there should be a consensus in understanding that

'free speech' = one can say anything as long as it is truth, not irrelevant content, malicious personal attack for attention, for fornication, out of jealousy/ snobbishness / losers mentality of low competence etc.

- violation of professional ethic shall be punished e.g. retrenchment, closing of channel/ company, compensation to the violated etc.

 

Unlike printed paper, magazine etc that can be traced to their working offices, things posted on social media are  harder to be restrained. 

Not too sure if registration should used real ID, and one person one account, would work to put out fire quickly.

 

 

Edited December 14 by specinho

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12 hours ago, specinho said:

The discussion deduced that:

- definition of free speech ought to be standardized. This means there should be a consensus in understanding that

Good luck with obtaining that "consensus".

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances".

That said, there are plenty of examples where "others than Congress" can take, and have taken, actions to successfully punish those people, and even outlets, that spread outright lies.

The Fox News network settlement with Dominion Systems, and the settlement of Mr. Alex Jones' case brought by the Sandy Hook school shooting parents are but two of many, many examples.

If an entity is going to develop and spread a mis-truth, it better cause no harm that could be exploited in the Courts. 

Money talks, and nobody (particularly the lawyers) walks.

 

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11 hours ago, turbguy said:

Good luck with obtaining that "consensus".

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances".

That said, there are plenty of examples where "others than Congress" can take, and have taken, actions to successfully punish those people, and even outlets, that spread outright lies.

The Fox News network settlement with Dominion Systems, and the settlement of Mr. Alex Jones' case brought by the Sandy Hook school shooting parents are but two of many, many examples.

If an entity is going to develop and spread a mis-truth, it better cause no harm that could be exploited in the Courts. 

Money talks, and nobody (particularly the lawyers) walks.

 

Thought there is a moderator in this forum. Why are those garbages sex links allowed to inundate the board?? Shouldn't those be screened out as spam before they show up??

Hope the person(s) who posted those will be traced and punished...

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The political divide is over, MAGA has won. The next two years for sure and probably far into the future. The people have spoken. Elections matter in the USA. The trends are clear, the Demoncrats are reeling from their own wasteful and crooked ways. 

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49 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said:

The political divide is over, MAGA has won. The next two years for sure and probably far into the future. The people have spoken. Elections matter in the USA. The trends are clear, the Demoncrats are reeling from their own wasteful and crooked ways. 

You win one election and think the divide is over? Haha.  MAGA is not a party, it is a slogan, it did not win anything.  "The next two years?"  Getting a little slow old man? 

BIden is still your POTUS - remember that traitor.

Edited Wednesday at 03:20 AM by TailingsPond

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52 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said:

Elections matter in the USA.

Unless you lose then you threaten to kill the vice-president and cause riots.

Numerous confessions and convictions.

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On 12/18/2024 at 10:28 AM, Ron Wagner said:

The political divide is over, MAGA has won. The next two years for sure and probably far into the future. The people have spoken. Elections matter in the USA. The trends are clear, the Demoncrats are reeling from their own wasteful and crooked ways. 

Political divide is probably not over. Judging from the few candidates nominated for the most important posts of the country, the instructors are probably making fun of USA by showing off their power. 

The first division is who controls the government. There are a few force in play: Saudi, German-Jews, black/dark brown fatty & in-laws. This created the mockery win of the past by the said to be very  corrupted. They have not done mocking.

Second division, of the few secretaries for the most important posts, you have

a) a strategic gambler trained hedge fund manager whose company had over  few thousands of investors that dropped to 20 but a fund raiser for Trump;

b) an economist whose models always got things wrong ( aahhh... Jim R, now we know who....) but a fundraiser for Trump's campaign and

c) two youngster of someone's sons.

Amidst, there is religious fan of christianity and born catholics.

Deduction was made:

1. they, or their  parents, used money to buy themselves, or their sons, the posts. 'o'  

2. Historically, if not mistaken, Kennedy School of government recorded, the post colonial parliamental division has always been between

- protestant & catholic;

- Irish over another group of migrants.

NOT ideology.

You have the duo conflicting religious parties as candidates, long winded, repeated, meaningless  debates might be foreseeable.

 

Robert Reich, who turned deficit budget into surplus in 1998 during clinton administration, classmates of theirs, might be more suitable to advise on cutting deficit and turning it into surplus.

 

The third division.

From a newsletter titled: 

A Tsunami of Executive Orders, Jim Rickards

Military and Defense

Demand the resignation of all Generals who were involved in the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Demand the resignation of all Generals who supported Mark Milley’s DEI and woke policies.

End transgender surgery and treatments and paid abortions for military service members.

Reinstate rank and seniority for military members forced out because they refused COVID shots

 

Note: 

Afghanistan is progressing well in peaceful environment. The withdrawal might have been the right decision. All generals should be rewarded for their courage to withdraw from the place of no woman, no beer, no cigarette, no light or electricity, no water, no loo, no grass, no plant, not even cactus after decades (?) of being there?

DEI = diversity, equality, inclusivity.

Generals who supported it (verbally?) should be rewarded. If all white kids, especially middle income and above, go crazy after learning how to shoot, via video games and drafted into training, you still have other colours to back up national defense team. If all rich kids die in crazy shooting with one another and with other races, lower income normal and kind kids would still be around to protect the innocents.

Remember, it might be those generals and soldiers above who swang the votes for Trump gave it the final margin previously. They believed Trump will take care of  these men in service, before and  after retirement.

The above executive orders are clearly a sabotaging act to test if Trump still has a functional memory and good working brain. Or, a controlling act by the trio divisive power.

Sign not one piece of those, until department of budget and efficiency has cleared  the path for other things to take place...

Edited Thursday at 06:52 AM by specinho

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Trump wants elimination of debt ceiling.

Does that sound like someone who wants to balance the budget or someone who just wants a credit card with no limit?  Oh and he wants it done under Biden term.   LOL

Do not kid yourself, the massive tax breaks for the rich will bankrupt the country more than ever and he needs that credit.

Biden is not going to do it for him.  Musk wants a government shutdown and no new credit, his subordinate just wants the credit card.

There are fiscal conservatives and there are people who just like spending other peoples money.

https://thehill.com/business/5048443-trump-debt-ceiling-abolition/

https://www.scrippsnews.com/politics/trump-vance-direct-congress-to-raise-debt-ceiling-on-bidens-watch

The political divide is very much not over.  The conservatives are infighting.  They can't agree on how to MAGA.

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On 12/20/2024 at 2:44 AM, TailingsPond said:

Trump wants elimination of debt ceiling.

Does that sound like someone who wants to balance the budget or someone who just wants a credit card with no limit?  Oh and he wants it done under Biden term.   LOL

Do not kid yourself, the massive tax breaks for the rich will bankrupt the country more than ever and he needs that credit.

Biden is not going to do it for him.  Musk wants a government shutdown and no new credit, his subordinate just wants the credit card.

There are fiscal conservatives and there are people who just like spending other peoples money.

https://thehill.com/business/5048443-trump-debt-ceiling-abolition/

https://www.scrippsnews.com/politics/trump-vance-direct-congress-to-raise-debt-ceiling-on-bidens-watch

The political divide is very much not over.  The conservatives are infighting.  They can't agree on how to MAGA.

Not sure if they have misinterpreted the context that said (roughly):"

.... China would not mind selling less to USA.... Imagine the sale was $100, china has to buy into debts of usa... Instead of getting paid $13.50 installment per month, china received only $3.50 interest payment........ After a while, $100 owed would become $50 and maybe cancelled, out of goodwill......" ?!

Those scoundrels.... Resorting to dishonesty or doing things without honour......... 'o'

Trump would be naive to believe there is no consequence. He did it once before. Do it again to make things worse?? 

There, he has no aim is proven right, like every other leaders... And do not know what to do... Losing his guts to time...

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In short: tariffs are a tax. They are a regressive, consumption tax, meaning that they hit everyone at the same rate. That means as a percent of income, it hits working people harder than rich people. And, they’re inflationary. Tariffs increase the price of imported goods and incentivize companies to increase prices of domestic goods. They’re generally good for a few select businesses and bad for consumers.

Free trade is the foundation of capitalism, it's frustrating seeing folks gleefully accepting the privilege of paying more so they can pay for billionaires' tax cuts. Even more frustrating is, prices will never go down--they raised because of the pandemic (demand, existing tariffs), then raised because of post-pandemic conditions (supply chain, inflation), now they're going to increase even more (increased tariffs). And for absolutely nothing.

 

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On 12/17/2024 at 9:28 PM, Ron Wagner said:

The political divide is over, MAGA has won. The next two years for sure and probably far into the future. The people have spoken. Elections matter in the USA. The trends are clear, the Demoncrats are reeling from their own wasteful and crooked ways. 

all hail to President Musk, our unelected oligarch who Trump sold his office to