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2 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Ya Don't say...

Trump was right: 'Russian collusion' was a hoax. Good luck regaining public's trust.

The FBI does not dispute the special counsel's findings, but says it has already taken action and added safeguards in its investigations.

After four years, we finally have the full 316-page report from Justice Department special counsel John Durham, and it’s a damning indictment of some of our country’s leading institutions. 

Durham said the FBI should have never launched an investigation into alleged Russian collusion with Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign, given the slim evidence. 

 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/05/17/durham-report-vindicates-trump-fbi-russia-investigation/70222344007/

Trump was right???

well he will have his say in court....we will find out if he is corrupt as his is charged with 90 plus felonies....

 

Hope he has the balls to testify in his own defense.....or will his bone spurs act up again????ha ha ha

 

Just like the 2020 election. HE LOST...and he is wrong ....the election was not stolen ...... as he babbles on

Enjoy Democracy and the Jury system........

Guilty people plead the 5th....now who was the guy that stated that ?????????

Wonder how many times Trump will plead the 5th (again)

HA HA HA

remember only guilty people plead the 5th

Trump has had a lot to say about the Fifth Amendment in the past.

“You see the mob takes the Fifth,” he said. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

Another time, he said, “Fifth Amendment. Fifth Amendment. Fifth Amendment. Horrible.”

During a presidential debate, he said,

When you have your staff taking the Fifth Amendment, taking the Fifth, so they’re not prosecuted, when you have the man that set up the illegal server taking the Fifth, I think it’s disgraceful.

Trump is wrong and he will be Convicted

 

Enjoy the trials

and enjoy the GOP descending into chaos

 

Trump was right??? what a bunch of BS...........Biggest Loser on the planet

 

 

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54 minutes ago, notsonice said:

Trump was right???

well he will have his say in court....we will find out if he is corrupt as his is charged with 90 plus felonies....

 

Hope he has the balls to testify in his own defense.....or will his bone spurs act up again????ha ha ha

 

Just like the 2020 election. HE LOST...and he is wrong ....the election was not stolen ...... as he babbles on

Enjoy Democracy and the Jury system........

Guilty people plead the 5th....now who was the guy that stated that ?????????

Wonder how many times Trump will plead the 5th (again)

HA HA HA

remember only guilty people plead the 5th

Trump has had a lot to say about the Fifth Amendment in the past.

“You see the mob takes the Fifth,” he said. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

Another time, he said, “Fifth Amendment. Fifth Amendment. Fifth Amendment. Horrible.”

During a presidential debate, he said,

When you have your staff taking the Fifth Amendment, taking the Fifth, so they’re not prosecuted, when you have the man that set up the illegal server taking the Fifth, I think it’s disgraceful.

Trump is wrong and he will be Convicted

 

Enjoy the trials

and enjoy the GOP descending into chaos

 

Trump was right??? what a bunch of BS...........Biggest Loser on the planet

 

 

Ya Don't Say....

Revealing the New York Times’ Deceitful Russiagate Coverage

The inspector general revealed errors and omissions in wiretap applications targeting a former Trump campaign adviser and determined that an F.B.I. lawyer had doctored an email in a way that kept one of those problems from coming to light. (Mr. Durham’s team later negotiated a guilty plea by that lawyer.) But the broader findings contradicted Mr. Trump’s accusations and the rationale for Mr. Durham’s inquiry. Mr. Horowitz found no evidence that F.B.I. actions were politically motivated.

Those statements are woefully incomplete. Missing from that passage is the Times’ own assessment when the Horowitz report was released in 2019 that it was a “scathing critique” of the bureau. Gerth reports that “the IG also found seventeen significant errors and omissions by the FBI in its four applications to a secret court to monitor [Trump advisor Carter] Page, who the bureau [falsely] believed was spying for Russia.”

The Times withholds from its readers other widely known facts that Gerth reports. For example, while Horowitz said the bureau had a proper basis for opening the Trump probe, the IG said this was only because of “the low threshold for predication.” Although Horowitz did not find a smoking gun memo proving political bias, the bureau’s lead investigator on the case, Peter Strzok, had assured a colleague during the campaign that Trump would never become president: “No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it.

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/02/03/revealing_the_new_york_times_deceitful_russiagate_coverage_148809.html

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5 hours ago, notsonice said:

Trump was right??? what a bunch of BS...........Biggest Loser on the planet

 

Impeaching a Trump Impeachment

New Hunter Biden details justify the infamous 2019 Ukraine phone call!

Let the partisan spittle fly, as it did during the first Trump impeachment. Who sacked Ukraine’s prosecutor general in 2016 and why? This question is back thanks to congressional testimony by former Hunter Biden partner Devon Archer.

 

Whatever happened, it wasn’t what Donald Trump said happened. It also wasn’t what Joe Biden said happened. His claim to have arranged the firing of prosecutor Viktor Shokin with an ultimatum to then-President Petro Poroshenko was just another Joe tall tale. Mr. Shokin’s dismissal came months later at the behest of several Western governments.

 

But Mr. Archer’s testimony puts the kibosh on the simple tale told by Trump partisans that Mr. Shokin was canned to protect Joe and Hunter Biden. According to Mr. Archer, Mr. Shokin was valued by Ukraine’s leadership precisely because he kept a lid on the long-running investigation of Burisma, a gas company on whose board Hunter sat.

This accords with my take at the time. Mr. Biden didn’t need to do anything. In fact, he was free, along with the European Union and other donors, to strike an anticorruption pose over Mr. Shokin because he knew Ukraine had every incentive to protect the Bidens.

Whatever the reason for the firing, it certainly wasn’t for the purpose of making trouble for Burisma.

If so, Democrats now only have to defend a Hunter business scam of peddling an “illusion of access,” as party spinmeisters are putting it. Joe only has to be excused for insouciantly abetting the illusion with a few restaurant stop-bys, a few speakerphone chats about the weather, and by lending Hunter the trappings of the White House, Air Force Two, etc.

That is, pending the failure of other evidence to pan out. Mr. Archer says that on one occasion at least, over drinks, Burisma founder Mykola Zlochevsky urged Hunter to “phone D.C.” on his behalf and Hunter did. An FBI informant says Mr. Zlochevsky claimed to have recorded calls with both Bidens and paid $10 million in bribes. The laptop evidence presents various complications too.

My working assumption all along, though, has been that Joe Biden wasn’t so dumb as to do anything when he knew Hunter could extract millions for doing nothing.

But there’s also political risk in the Justice Department’s stringing out a tax investigation to allow charges related to Hunter’s Burisma earnings to fall away due to the statute of limitations. Of Hunter’s several windfalls, his Burisma earnings most directly leveraged his father’s role, most directly link to a specific act by his father (the Shokin firing), and provide the most direct credence to Mr. Trump’s first impeachment defense, concerning his phone call to President Zelensky fishing for information about Biden dealings in Ukraine.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/impeaching-a-trump-impeachment-hunter-biden-partisan-investigation-ukraine-gop-election-847d972

The U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, Ukraine, Oct. 1. PHOTO: SEAN GALLUP/GETTY IMAGES

Donald Trump keeps it simple, and likely too simple given Ukraine’s opaque and corrupt politics, when he says Joe Biden arranged the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor looking into a company that employed his son.

You can find quotes on both sides from Ukrainians, but all have axes to grind. And why was Ukraine’s then-President Petro Poroshenko so resistant to the prosecutor’s firing that Mr. Biden had to threaten to hold back $1 billion in aid? Never explained. Some reports say the prosecutor was actually using the threat of investigating Burisma as a lever to extort something of value from regime colleagues—which makes a certain sense.

Mr. Biden can claim he was uninfluenced by his son’s employment. But his staff knew about the job. The Ukrainians knew. America’s European allies knew. The World Bank and International Monetary Fund knew. All knew that Burisma had to be pussyfooted around to avoid causing a scandal for Mr. Biden that might mess up the Obama administration’s ability to sustain support for the shaky regime.

This is what made Hunter Biden worth the money Burisma paid him to sit on its board between April 2014 and April 2019. And whatever the reason for firing prosecutor Viktor Shokin, it was decidedly not with the goal of making trouble for Burisma.

Until a few weeks ago, the press understood the implicit corruption of U.S. foreign policy involved here. The facts themselves may not be disqualifying for Mr. Biden, but the sight of him endlessly prevaricating could be. And the story is not going away because Democrats have put Ukraine at the center of their impeachment spectacle.

Then there’s this: On Aug. 28, 2016, the Financial Times reported that Mr. Trump’s rise to the GOP nomination had spurred “Kiev’s wider political leadership to do something they would never have attempted before: intervene, however indirectly, in a US election.” We open a can of worms when holding U.S. candidates responsible for things foreign governments do, or refrain from doing, to influence our elections. But the facts here are more compelling than anything dug up against the shambolic Trump campaign. Mr. Biden was acting as a virtual U.S. proconsul to Kiev, using U.S. aid to bludgeon actions from the Poroshenko government at the very moment a prominent Ukrainian ally was leaking confidential investigative material to discredit Mr. Trump’s campaign manager, Paul Manafort.

Mr. Trump’s way of fishing in these waters has been typically ill-advised, but presidents always have their political interests in mind when conducting foreign policy. (JFK and LBJ were blunt with aides about how their Vietnam decisions were influenced by their re-election needs.) Mr. Trump is also unique in the degree to which he is opposed in his own bureaucracy. Notice that Democrats have abandoned the silly claim that the “high crime” here is a campaign-finance violation. Their “damning” witnesses now are all administration officials who, unlike the president, are keen to turn the U.S. into Ukraine’s military guarantor.

Which brings us to the Achilles’ heel of this impeachment if the goal is to bring along a broad public: Democrats’ and the media’s astonishing and studied obliviousness to the bonfire they made of their own credibility with the Russia hoax. Unless I miss my guess, even many Trump-skeptical voters have no interest in giving victory to so corrupt an opposition. An irony is that many of these voters would probably make an exception for Mr. Biden, in whom they have a hard time seeing the kind of fanatically careerist sleaziness that motivates Adam Schiff. (Indeed, Mr. Biden keeps stepping in it with his base by saying nice things about various GOP colleagues.)

Let’s briefly touch on a few other points. The universal pretense that persons in authority (who aren’t Mr. Trump) know what they’re doing plays a role here. The media would have you believe Mr. Trump’s bureaucratic enemies are uniformly competent, disinterested and patriotic.

Secondly, I’ve come to regret referring to journalism as a profession. It’s clearly an industry given to “driving the numbers” with the trope du jour. Exceptions are as likely to be found on the left as the right. T.A. Frank of Vanity Fair, Glenn Greenwald of the Intercept, the Nation’s Aaron Maté and Rolling Stone’s Matt Taibbi are all writers on the left who knew the Russia collusion story was a fraud and said so for years.

Though I don’t expect to see it, one thing might yet transform our national dilemma: if Mr. Biden, in response to a reporter asking an interesting question for a change, lent his support to the Justice Department’s John Durham investigation into the Steele dossier and other troubling 2016 questions. The 2020 race then would become a shockingly different election from the one we’re now slated to get. The one we’re slated to get, unfortunately, is an all-out war of two sides that fundamentally reject each other’s 

 

https://archive.ph/qRZuP

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18 hours ago, turbguy said:

Just what will be the result when one (or a few) states disqualify #45 from the 2024  ballot due to proven 14th Amendment cases?

Oh not at all...Next Biden's impeachment inquiry and not to outdone...alien disclosure will follow the next day.

Never let a crisis go to waste comes to mind...creativity is not lacking in the Democratic leadership.

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32 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Never let a crisis go to waste comes to mind...creativity is not lacking in the Democratic leadership.

That "modus operandi" goes for both parties.

If #46 is impeached, he cannot be #47.  And that would certainly speak the honesty of the Democratic members of Congress, no?  Kinda like Goldwater telling Nixon to resign, or else!

If #45 is found to have violated the 14th, he cannot be #47 either.

Whoopee!!  Chris?  Mike?   Vivek???

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Things are so chaotic as of now it's really a reach to prognosticate much of anything. The neocons are irrelevant at this point...14th amendment...there as daft as Mconnel/Feinstien.

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22 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

It is his right to ask questions and make a statement.

Sure, but he asked his questions and made his statements about the election.  It was audited, that story is over.   His current statements are threats against the country which are not legal.  You are not allowed to plot a conspiracy to over throw the elected government.   Fancy that! 

 Traitors will be prosecuted EWS, remember that going forward; try to stay out of trouble. 

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43 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

.14th amendment...t

Something wrong about the 14th amendment?

I'm not a judge, never pretended to be.

But, I am a voter. Wyoming's not gonna strip that away.

But it kinda looks like #45 violated the 14th Amendment to this voter.

AND, it looks that way to a whole bunch of others voters.

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Then there's Rudy!

Mr. Giuliani admits that he lied. #45 repeated those lies. Now, Mr. Giuliani gets to see how much (if anything) he has to pay. Certainly, he will have to cough up the legal fees of BOTH litigants. This man was a hero when he was taking on the mafia as a US Attorney. \

Look at the comic book villain he has become.

Remember when he was trying to sell custom telephone recordings ("Hi! I'm Rudy! Happy Birthday!") on the internet? 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/26/us/politics/giuliani-georgia-election-workers.html?unlocked_article_code=_Bm0Ig4Oc6wW4ZFnghae9sl_Q1YUxhTP1yasvOct46hFkHYixS7yGRNccxPzGwC8VsZuZ0RE1haC0FWUOXcUcNGydo-SHkrqRpZgM9O4Flkp0hFUtTZEqBvb57LCQl2iiMGgmEOZsyDUuAiHLi2ZTdWMun6O9P0bZv-2VY2rBvh1YrJbHHfpmvp12v3ZdHkJBwHu3wpKWzmSOx71en4qD5AYr4reIO_r9v1aPa_QFtmVv3MrrLPW7MagAi1HsVicItzjtH_3iT1r448SP11YoeWvNMQvVuoMV6tqokf2Dg70LzlDfqaQ2xjG14gvN8NSh52fNASWG_mih_38YqnDHuD60JhPvxp_VSeHXvfh5Q&smid=url-share

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1 hour ago, turbguy said:

Something wrong about the 14th amendment?

It's part of the constitution, which he no longer respects.  A traitor.

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2 hours ago, turbguy said:

Something wrong about the 14th amendment?

I'm not a judge, never pretended to be.

But, I am a voter. Wyoming's not gonna strip that away.

But it kinda looks like #45 violated the 14th Amendment to this voter.

AND, it looks that way to a whole bunch of others voters.

I might suggest you obtain a copy for reading just prior to sleeping. It will be marvelously calming, perhaps sedative like qualities for those still suffering from TDS.

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5 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

I might suggest you obtain a copy for reading just prior to sleeping. It will be marvelously calming, perhaps sedative like qualities for those still suffering from TDS.

Section 3

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

 

This is probably why #45 isn't paying any legal fees.  BUT, #45 HAS given some of them comfort.

Good luck getting 2/3rds of both Houses.

TDS goes BOTH ways.

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12 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

 

Impeaching a Trump Impeachment

New Hunter Biden details justify the infamous 2019 Ukraine phone call!

Let the partisan spittle fly, as it did during the first Trump impeachment. Who sacked Ukraine’s prosecutor general in 2016 and why? This question is back thanks to congressional testimony by former Hunter Biden partner Devon Archer.

 

Whatever happened, it wasn’t what Donald Trump said happened. It also wasn’t what Joe Biden said happened. His claim to have arranged the firing of prosecutor Viktor Shokin with an ultimatum to then-President Petro Poroshenko was just another Joe tall tale. Mr. Shokin’s dismissal came months later at the behest of several Western governments.

 

But Mr. Archer’s testimony puts the kibosh on the simple tale told by Trump partisans that Mr. Shokin was canned to protect Joe and Hunter Biden. According to Mr. Archer, Mr. Shokin was valued by Ukraine’s leadership precisely because he kept a lid on the long-running investigation of Burisma, a gas company on whose board Hunter sat.

This accords with my take at the time. Mr. Biden didn’t need to do anything. In fact, he was free, along with the European Union and other donors, to strike an anticorruption pose over Mr. Shokin because he knew Ukraine had every incentive to protect the Bidens.

Whatever the reason for the firing, it certainly wasn’t for the purpose of making trouble for Burisma.

If so, Democrats now only have to defend a Hunter business scam of peddling an “illusion of access,” as party spinmeisters are putting it. Joe only has to be excused for insouciantly abetting the illusion with a few restaurant stop-bys, a few speakerphone chats about the weather, and by lending Hunter the trappings of the White House, Air Force Two, etc.

That is, pending the failure of other evidence to pan out. Mr. Archer says that on one occasion at least, over drinks, Burisma founder Mykola Zlochevsky urged Hunter to “phone D.C.” on his behalf and Hunter did. An FBI informant says Mr. Zlochevsky claimed to have recorded calls with both Bidens and paid $10 million in bribes. The laptop evidence presents various complications too.

My working assumption all along, though, has been that Joe Biden wasn’t so dumb as to do anything when he knew Hunter could extract millions for doing nothing.

But there’s also political risk in the Justice Department’s stringing out a tax investigation to allow charges related to Hunter’s Burisma earnings to fall away due to the statute of limitations. Of Hunter’s several windfalls, his Burisma earnings most directly leveraged his father’s role, most directly link to a specific act by his father (the Shokin firing), and provide the most direct credence to Mr. Trump’s first impeachment defense, concerning his phone call to President Zelensky fishing for information about Biden dealings in Ukraine.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/impeaching-a-trump-impeachment-hunter-biden-partisan-investigation-ukraine-gop-election-847d972

The U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, Ukraine, Oct. 1. PHOTO: SEAN GALLUP/GETTY IMAGES

Donald Trump keeps it simple, and likely too simple given Ukraine’s opaque and corrupt politics, when he says Joe Biden arranged the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor looking into a company that employed his son.

You can find quotes on both sides from Ukrainians, but all have axes to grind. And why was Ukraine’s then-President Petro Poroshenko so resistant to the prosecutor’s firing that Mr. Biden had to threaten to hold back $1 billion in aid? Never explained. Some reports say the prosecutor was actually using the threat of investigating Burisma as a lever to extort something of value from regime colleagues—which makes a certain sense.

Mr. Biden can claim he was uninfluenced by his son’s employment. But his staff knew about the job. The Ukrainians knew. America’s European allies knew. The World Bank and International Monetary Fund knew. All knew that Burisma had to be pussyfooted around to avoid causing a scandal for Mr. Biden that might mess up the Obama administration’s ability to sustain support for the shaky regime.

This is what made Hunter Biden worth the money Burisma paid him to sit on its board between April 2014 and April 2019. And whatever the reason for firing prosecutor Viktor Shokin, it was decidedly not with the goal of making trouble for Burisma.

Until a few weeks ago, the press understood the implicit corruption of U.S. foreign policy involved here. The facts themselves may not be disqualifying for Mr. Biden, but the sight of him endlessly prevaricating could be. And the story is not going away because Democrats have put Ukraine at the center of their impeachment spectacle.

Then there’s this: On Aug. 28, 2016, the Financial Times reported that Mr. Trump’s rise to the GOP nomination had spurred “Kiev’s wider political leadership to do something they would never have attempted before: intervene, however indirectly, in a US election.” We open a can of worms when holding U.S. candidates responsible for things foreign governments do, or refrain from doing, to influence our elections. But the facts here are more compelling than anything dug up against the shambolic Trump campaign. Mr. Biden was acting as a virtual U.S. proconsul to Kiev, using U.S. aid to bludgeon actions from the Poroshenko government at the very moment a prominent Ukrainian ally was leaking confidential investigative material to discredit Mr. Trump’s campaign manager, Paul Manafort.

Mr. Trump’s way of fishing in these waters has been typically ill-advised, but presidents always have their political interests in mind when conducting foreign policy. (JFK and LBJ were blunt with aides about how their Vietnam decisions were influenced by their re-election needs.) Mr. Trump is also unique in the degree to which he is opposed in his own bureaucracy. Notice that Democrats have abandoned the silly claim that the “high crime” here is a campaign-finance violation. Their “damning” witnesses now are all administration officials who, unlike the president, are keen to turn the U.S. into Ukraine’s military guarantor.

Which brings us to the Achilles’ heel of this impeachment if the goal is to bring along a broad public: Democrats’ and the media’s astonishing and studied obliviousness to the bonfire they made of their own credibility with the Russia hoax. Unless I miss my guess, even many Trump-skeptical voters have no interest in giving victory to so corrupt an opposition. An irony is that many of these voters would probably make an exception for Mr. Biden, in whom they have a hard time seeing the kind of fanatically careerist sleaziness that motivates Adam Schiff. (Indeed, Mr. Biden keeps stepping in it with his base by saying nice things about various GOP colleagues.)

Let’s briefly touch on a few other points. The universal pretense that persons in authority (who aren’t Mr. Trump) know what they’re doing plays a role here. The media would have you believe Mr. Trump’s bureaucratic enemies are uniformly competent, disinterested and patriotic.

Secondly, I’ve come to regret referring to journalism as a profession. It’s clearly an industry given to “driving the numbers” with the trope du jour. Exceptions are as likely to be found on the left as the right. T.A. Frank of Vanity Fair, Glenn Greenwald of the Intercept, the Nation’s Aaron Maté and Rolling Stone’s Matt Taibbi are all writers on the left who knew the Russia collusion story was a fraud and said so for years.

Though I don’t expect to see it, one thing might yet transform our national dilemma: if Mr. Biden, in response to a reporter asking an interesting question for a change, lent his support to the Justice Department’s John Durham investigation into the Steele dossier and other troubling 2016 questions. The 2020 race then would become a shockingly different election from the one we’re now slated to get. The one we’re slated to get, unfortunately, is an all-out war of two sides that fundamentally reject each other’s 

 

https://archive.ph/qRZuP

A pile of BS  not worth the read

your diversion to Hunter when your leader is on his way to prison will not serve you well......

 

you post a pile of BS everytime.... do you think anyone reads what you post??? ha ha ha

Trump cannot use a defense that Hunter is crocked .......

Posting, as you usually do, a pile of BS shows that you do not take the charges against Trump seriously......

Enjoy the trials ....first one up well be televised.........

Pleading the 5th will be the norm for all of the rats....now which rats will turn on the other rats is the main question....

How many will let Trump run them over??? he is running over all of them now.......not paying for lawyers is an every man for himself strategy

How many value their own freedom????

October is coming fast..........Justice will be served...and Hunter? watching the spectacle as a free man

 

Sleepy Joe and the Dems??? watching the GOP try to make sure they all do not get sucked under as the SS Trump heads to the bottom of the Sea......every man for himself mentality will be the norm....the captain will do nothing to make sure the lifeboats are launched...He himself steered the ship right into the iceberg......hit it smacked head on.....no reversing course............Suicide mission

 

 

 

and those waiting on shore for the ship to arrive????....... oh the pain as the SS Trump never arrives on shore again...the ship is taking on water fast ...it has already hit the iceberg

 

You are now getting the real impeachment trials....the GOP has no say in these trials. Mitch oh Mitch....playing feeble is his only hope for an exit from the GOP

Enjoy the trials ....it is what you have been waiting for???

 

oh you have been waiting for a Hunter trial??????? a sleepy Joe trial??? ha ha ha ...the GOP clownshow will save Trump??? ha ha ha...

 

 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, turbguy said:

Section 3

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

 

This is probably why #45 isn't paying any legal fees.  BUT, #45 HAS given some of them comfort.

Good luck getting 2/3rds of both Houses.

TDS goes BOTH ways.

 

6 hours ago, notsonice said:

A pile of BS  not worth the read

your diversion to Hunter when your leader is on his way to prison will not serve you well......

 

you post a pile of BS everytime.... do you think anyone reads what you post??? ha ha ha

Trump cannot use a defense that Hunter is crocked .......

Posting, as you usually do, a pile of BS shows that you do not take the charges against Trump seriously......

Enjoy the trials ....first one up well be televised.........

Pleading the 5th will be the norm for all of the rats....now which rats will turn on the other rats is the main question....

How many will let Trump run them over??? he is running over all of them now.......not paying for lawyers is an every man for himself strategy

How many value their own freedom????

October is coming fast..........Justice will be served...and Hunter? watching the spectacle as a free man

 

Sleepy Joe and the Dems??? watching the GOP try to make sure they all do not get sucked under as the SS Trump heads to the bottom of the Sea......every man for himself mentality will be the norm....the captain will do nothing to make sure the lifeboats are launched...He himself steered the ship right into the iceberg......hit it smacked head on.....no reversing course............Suicide mission

 

 

 

and those waiting on shore for the ship to arrive????....... oh the pain as the SS Trump never arrives on shore again...the ship is taking on water fast ...it has already hit the iceberg

 

You are now getting the real impeachment trials....the GOP has no say in these trials. Mitch oh Mitch....playing feeble is his only hope for an exit from the GOP

Enjoy the trials ....it is what you have been waiting for???

 

oh you have been waiting for a Hunter trial??????? a sleepy Joe trial??? ha ha ha ...the GOP clownshow will save Trump??? ha ha ha...

 

 

 

 

 

Let the drama unfold..judgement comes when the final curtain drops.

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1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Let the drama unfold..judgement comes when the final curtain drops.

True, but given our legal system's machinations, it's gonna take YEARS to circle that drain.

Edited September 2, 2023 by turbguy

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22 minutes ago, turbguy said:

True, but given our legal system's machinations, it's gonna take YEARS!

Not at all Turbguy, this new Congress has been here for what..8months. It would appear were within two weeks of impeachment inquiries.  

Yet it does look as if these investigations have been on going for yrs. Another oddity would be most of the drama has it foundations in whistleblowers or leaks. Very odd...let us absorb the play unfolding...don't blink a eye...you might miss something.

The Best Is Yet to Come

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4 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Not at all Turbguy, this new Congress has been here for what..8months. It would appear were within two weeks of impeachment inquiries.  

Yet it does look as if these investigations have been on going for yrs. Another oddity would be most of the drama has it foundations in whistleblowers or leaks. Very odd...let us absorb the play unfolding...don't blink a eye...you might miss something.

The Best Is Yet to Come

I'll be sure to check back by the end of September...

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6 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

The Best Is Yet to Come

 

For once I agree with EWS, the best is to come. 

We just have vastly different idea of what is to come.

 

 

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12 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Not at all Turbguy, this new Congress has been here for what..8months. It would appear were within two weeks of impeachment inquiries.  

Yet it does look as if these investigations have been on going for yrs. Another oddity would be most of the drama has it foundations in whistleblowers or leaks. Very odd...let us absorb the play unfolding...don't blink a eye...you might miss something.

The Best Is Yet to Come

don't blink a eye...you might miss something.????

5 years and no one has missed anything........with your big investigation of Hunter.....yawn

Just a bunch of GOP lunatics chasing their own tails.....

 

don't blink an eye???? what a fucking joke ......Only a loser would state do not blink an eye after 5 years of moldy nothingburgers served by the GOP lunatics .

 

 

It would appear were within two weeks of impeachment inquiries.  ????

who cares what the GOP is doing with Hunter.........He is not an office holder....impeach Hunter all you want as he is the only one that has done anything wrong....misdemeanor tax violations....oh my...the Leader of the investigation could not even get that right......

GOP clownshow............

did I miss anything else....????nope

 

now back to the real world

Trump is charged with real crimes ....trials starting in less than 60 days

now you should not blink an eye as more states are now investigating him

Arizona next up for Felony charges against Trump or maybe Michigan or better yet Nevada.......

maybe you should not blink an eye............over 90 felony charges in how many days?????? what is he running at one felony a day..........

ha ha ha ha only a moron would support Trump these days...........Lock Him Up

  

Edited September 3, 2023 by notsonice

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14 hours ago, notsonice said:

don't blink a eye...you might miss something.????

5 years and no one has missed anything........with your big investigation of Hunter.....yawn

Just a bunch of GOP lunatics chasing their own tails.....

 

don't blink an eye???? what a fucking joke ......Only a loser would state do not blink an eye after 5 years of moldy nothingburgers served by the GOP lunatics .

 

 

It would appear were within two weeks of impeachment inquiries.  ????

who cares what the GOP is doing with Hunter.........He is not an office holder....impeach Hunter all you want as he is the only one that has done anything wrong....misdemeanor tax violations....oh my...the Leader of the investigation could not even get that right......

GOP clownshow............

did I miss anything else....????nope

 

now back to the real world

Trump is charged with real crimes ....trials starting in less than 60 days

now you should not blink an eye as more states are now investigating him

Arizona next up for Felony charges against Trump or maybe Michigan or better yet Nevada.......

maybe you should not blink an eye............over 90 felony charges in how many days?????? what is he running at one felony a day..........

ha ha ha ha only a moron would support Trump these days...........Lock Him Up

  

Perhaps a goodnight sleep is in order here, you seem a bit frazzled as of late.

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On 9/1/2023 at 6:04 PM, Eyes Wide Open said:

Oh not at all...Next Biden's impeachment inquiry and not to outdone...alien disclosure will follow the next day.

House Oversight Chairman James Comer laid out new details to support allegations that members of Joe Biden’s family including his son Hunter received millions of dollars in payments from foreign entities in China and Romania including when Biden was vice president.

Recently received  bank records cited were obtained by the committee through a subpoena, and include payments made to companies tied to Hunter Biden. Republicans allege that Hunter Biden used his familial connections to help facilitate a meeting in 2016 between a Serbian running for United Nations Secretary-General and then-national security adviser to the vice president Colin Kahl.

The foreign payments raise questions about Hunter Biden’s business activities while his father was vice president, but the committee does not suggest any illegality about the payments from foreign sources. The bank records by themselves also do not indicate the purpose of the payments that were made.

The memo marks Comer’s most direct attempt to substantiate his allegations that Biden family members have enriched themselves off the family name. Comer has suggested that Biden may have been improperly influenced by the financial dealings, particularly by his family’s foreign business partners.

But the latest report does not show any payments made directly to Joe Biden, either as vice president or after leaving office.

Comer has been publicly teasing information for months about the paper trail committee Republicans have uncovered through subpoenas sent to multiple banks and trips to the Treasury Department to review records.

Comer and other Republicans on the committee held a press conference May 10th to tout their findings.

“These people didn’t come to Hunter Biden because he understood world politics or that he was experienced in it, or that he understood Chinese businesses. They wanted him for the access his last name gave him,” Rep. Nancy Mace, a South Carolina Republican, said during the news conference.

On Wednesday, Comer was asked about specific policy decisions Biden made while president or vice president that may have been directly influenced by these foreign payments. Comer failed to name any and instead pointed to then-vice president Biden traveling around the world and discussing foreign aid in the last year of the Obama administration, and added they think there are decisions Biden made as president that “put China first and America last.” Comer said the committee “will get into more of those later.”

White House spokesperson Ian Sams said in a statement to CNN, “Congressman Comer has a history of playing fast and loose with the facts and spreading baseless innuendo, while refusing to conduct his so-called ‘investigations’ with legitimacy. He has hidden information from the public to selectively leak and promote his own hand-picked narratives as part of his overall effort to lob personal attacks at the President and his family.”

Comer is putting 2 and 2 together and telling people it’s a lot more than 4.

Or a "swing and a miss".

Meanwhile...

Donald Trump has pursued business deals in Russia since 1987, and has repeatedly traveled there to explore potential business opportunities. In 1996, Trump trademark applications were submitted for potential Russian real estate development deals. Trump, his children, and his partners have repeatedly visited Russia, connecting with real estate developers and Russian government officials to explore joint venture opportunities. Trump was never able to successfully conclude any real estate deals in Russia. However, individual Russians have invested heavily in Trump properties, and, following Trump's bankruptcies in the 1990s, he borrowed money from Russian sources. Both Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump have said that Russia was an important source of money for the Trump businesses.

 

THEN...

There's Ivanka and her 34+ Chinese trademarks which are worth hundreds of millions of dollars. And Jared with his 2 billion loan from the Butcher Prince of Saudi Arabia.

Apparently its perfectly fine for Apple, Starbucks, Walmart, GM, GE, Microsoft, and even the Trumps, to do business with Foreign countries.. But if you do business with them while having the last name Biden, that is apparently a huge crime (?)

No foreign influence to see here, move on...

 

 

 

Edited September 3, 2023 by turbguy

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1 hour ago, turbguy said:

Meanwhile...

Donald Trump has pursued business deals in Russia since 1987, and has repeatedly traveled there to explore potential business opportunities. In 1996, Trump trademark applications were submitted for potential Russian real estate development deals. Trump, his children, and his partners have repeatedly visited Russia, connecting with real estate developers and Russian government officials to explore joint venture opportunities. Trump was never able to successfully conclude any real estate deals in Russia. However, individual Russians have invested heavily in Trump properties, and, following Trump's bankruptcies in the 1990s, he borrowed money from Russian sources. Both Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump have said that Russia was an important source of money for the Trump businesses.

 

THEN...

There's Ivanka and her 34+ Chinese trademarks which are worth hundreds of millions of dollars. And Jared with his 2 billion loan from the Butcher Prince of Saudi Arabia.

Apparently its perfectly fine for Apple, Starbucks, Walmart, GM, GE, Microsoft, and even the Trumps, to do business with Foreign countries.. But if you do business with them while having the last name Biden, that is apparently a huge crime (?)

No foreign influence to see here, move on...

You are quite correct, doing business would be completely legal with Russia or any sovereign nation under the guides lines of US law and international law. Now I do believe the Biden question would be...unreported income...tax evasion and perhaps bribery just off the top of my head of course.

Question...how does one do business with a foreign country and have no business? Other than being the US vice-president..Now that's interesting...I'm sure we will find out...cash flows only coming in..not a dime flowing out. 

Edited September 3, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

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On 9/1/2023 at 9:09 PM, turbguy said:

Section 3

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

 

This is probably why #45 isn't paying any legal fees.  BUT, #45 HAS given some of them comfort.

Good luck getting 2/3rds of both Houses.

TDS goes BOTH ways.

The 14th amendment question has already been addressed. Trump has already been tried and was acquitted...Remember the 2nd impeachment...the Senate was a court presided over by the chief justice  of the US Supreme Court 

 

Edited September 3, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

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4 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

You are quite correct, doing business would be completely legal with Russia or any sovereign nation under the guides lines of US law and international law. Now I do believe the Biden question would be...unreported income...tax evasion and perhaps bribery just off the top of my head of course.

Question...how does one do business with a foreign country and have no business? Other than being the US vice-president..Now that's interesting...I'm sure we will find out...cash flows only coming in..not a dime flowing out. 

Which Biden?

4 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

The 14th amendment question has already been addressed. Trump has already been tried and was acquitted...Remember the 2nd impeachment...the Senate was a court presided over by the chief justice  of the US Supreme Court 

 

The Justice Department isn't dumb, just slow.  They just might know a thing or three about "double jeopardy". The 4th amendment:

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb;

Show me where #45's "life or limb" is in jeopardy.

The government can retry a defendant if new evidence is discovered after the first trial. However, the government must show that the new evidence is material and that it could not have been discovered in time for the first trial. 

That "first trial" in the Senate was really fast, with no time to discover all the evidence currently available.  For instance, that Arizona "Audit." didn't report results for MONTHS after the Senate trial.

Voila!  A new indictment!  This time, it ain't a political process.

 

 

Edited September 4, 2023 by turbguy

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3 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

question would be...unreported income...tax evasion and perhaps bribery just off the top of my head of course.

 

Trump is the king of tax evasion. "That makes me smart." 

https://youtu.be/-qXjsMK_MnU?t=61