turbguy + 1,491 Saturday at 06:43 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, Boat said: Around 1969 rivers in multiple states caught fire from to much pollution. Later coal pollution rain caused acid etching on the windshields of cars. I believe this is where the environmental movement started gathering steam. Large cities were forced to move coal burning factories out of town for example. Our cities looked like many of Chinas do now. Some still don’t grasp the danger of concentrated pollution in relation to length of life. It’s a work in progress. Cleveland. I was there... If you have not heard Randy Newman's "take"- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVNuT4fkjAs Every structure within miles of the blast furnaces/mills were colored the same dull red (no matter what color they originally were). Why go to Yellowstone National Park, when you could smell it by the Cuyahoga River? Edited Saturday at 06:51 PM by turbguy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,168 DM Saturday at 09:14 PM (edited) 3 hours ago, Boat said: Around 1969 rivers in multiple states caught fire from to much pollution. Later coal pollution rain caused acid etching on the windshields of cars. I believe this is where the environmental movement started gathering steam. Large cities were forced to move coal burning factories out of town for example. Our cities looked like many of Chinas do now. Some still don’t grasp the danger of concentrated pollution in relation to length of life. It’s a work in progress. Some still don’t grasp the danger of concentrated pollution in relation to length of life. It’s a work in progress. ....... thank God for the most part people in the US are coming to the reality of the dangers of concentrated pollution in relation to length of life. Younger adults are now less likely to smoke than Baby boomers....Clean air/good health is now a bigger priority for Americans than all other concerns....Who would have figured COVID would have people thinking clean air/good health is the top priority in their lives.......... and the Green Agenda is one way to combat concentrated pollution Clunkers are doomed Americans are changing their lifestyles....the decline in smoking mirrors the increase in Americans embracing the need to pay attention to the environment and getting on the band wagon with the Green Agenda U.S. Cigarette Smoking Rate Steady Near Historical Low WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Gallup's latest update on cigarette smoking finds 12% of U.S. adults saying they smoked cigarettes in the past week,... . Aug 18, 2023 Edited Saturday at 09:25 PM by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 555 GE Saturday at 10:07 PM 3 hours ago, turbguy said: the Cuyahoga River? While still very contaminated the river has been extensively cleaned up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_River *ahem* "the coal-burning plant was decommissioned in 1991." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,400 DL Sunday at 08:02 PM On 6/22/2024 at 1:45 PM, Boat said: Around 1969 rivers in multiple states caught fire from to much pollution. Later coal pollution rain caused acid etching on the windshields of cars. I believe this is where the environmental movement started gathering steam. Large cities were forced to move coal burning factories out of town for example. Our cities looked like many of Chinas do now. Some still don’t grasp the danger of concentrated pollution in relation to length of life. It’s a work in progress. That sounds like the old coal technology. The big reduction in coal related pollution came about because of the newer technology. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,491 Sunday at 08:33 PM 23 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: That sounds like the old coal technology. The big reduction in coal related pollution came about because of the newer technology. That technology requires a continuous input of reagent(s). A LOT of it. That technology produces wastes, that need to be disposed of. A LOT of it. That technology requires energy. A LOT of it. That technology requires MONEY. A LOT OF IT! Yes, technology helped remove coal-fired flue gas pollutants to reduced (but not zero) levels, all brought about by the federal government's action. Over the objections of the coal-burners. BUT, that new technology was not in place for "iron refineries", where the vast majority of the Cuyahoga River's pollutants arose from. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 555 GE Sunday at 09:52 PM 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: The big reduction in coal related pollution came about because of the newer technology. In this case they decommissioned the plant back in '91. I agree that newer technologies will reduce coal pollution. 100% reduction by elimination of coal. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 668 Monday at 03:24 AM On 6/19/2024 at 11:33 PM, specinho said: Watched a compilation of a drama series called " extraordinary doctors" yesterday. It highlighted a few things: 1. In a total service year of 25, a senior doctor had consumed 342 bottles of glucose to sustain energy during hard surgery. - The colleague explained:" this means he has undertaken 342 surgical cases and saved 342 lives over the years". Which is ~ 14 cases per year; ~ 1 per month? - exception: rare cases involving large flock e.g. natural calamity, war, bus accident etc. 2. In the drama, surgical department took in only 3 outstanding interns for 2 vacancies. One of them was an autistic, or someone who closed himself up, upon witnessing the death of his sister helplessly when young. He vowed to be a surgeon and let no more casualty happen in front of him. The few who stood by his selection were equally outstanding head of departments and principal of the old upon seeing him saving a child by the road side with basic utility like alcohol, a art knife, and a tube. During a ward round, an experienced middle age doctor in charged that day would like to discharge a patient who just had a surgery. The autistic doctor opposed it by stating the reasons. The experienced doctor shouted at him:" Do you know your problem? You are arrogant and believe you know it all! In such a big hospital, all of us read through books you read. What makes you think you know better? All of us are experienced after years of working. How dare you to think you are better than us?" He insisted on discharging the patient. 5 minutes later, the autistic young graduate was found correct. The patient collapsed by the road side. Questions raised would be: a) there is probably no shortage of doctors. Ten of thousands of graduates per year from private and government owned universities. But, they are probably not good enough to meet the eyes of the outstanding old. No skill, no adequate ethic nor spirit to serve. b) they are not always busy like the old days when quality was a stringent bar of entrance. They pretend so and dismiss patients hastily, carelessly. After some times, they end up doing basic duty poorly. Old doctors tried to be better everyday and encouraged closed friends to be equally outstanding. Young doctors compete to find out who perform worse, yet not found out nor have the need to take responsibility and be punished. Nurses likely the same. High in demand, yes. Outstanding doctors and head of nurse will incline to choose the like. But poor quality doctors or head of nurse will not choose anyone who is better. Do not want to be outcompeted. Doctors who choose to leave are very likely those who do not have the heart to serve but love the fancy title "doctor" nor they have skill to perform well. The sooner they leave, the better? Worse are those who can not cope but insist to stay to get by. So much has changed. Quality past is fading. There is some truth in your statements but I think you need to have some experience with the way doctors and other practitioners work today. It is a very computer centric business that is run by very demanding people. As a Nurse practitioner, my wife had to work hours at home every night to catch up on the computer work. It was that or not give the proper amount of time to the patient's visit. They are given a quota of about twenty visits. That does not allow for good quality visits and the computer work! Doctors are in the same position. Few practitioners can afford to work independently like it was in the 1990s. My wife concurs. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 555 GE Tuesday at 04:51 AM (edited) On 6/23/2024 at 9:24 PM, Ron Wagner said: That does not allow for good quality visits and the computer work! Doctors are in the same position. Few practitioners can afford to work independently like it was in the 1990s. My wife concurs. Times change. Some people struggle to keep up with technology and yearn for the old days. 1990 was a long time ago... Edited Tuesday at 04:51 AM by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,491 Tuesday at 05:00 AM (edited) 17 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Times change. Some people struggle to keep up with technology and yearn for the old days. 1990 was a long time ago... Just wait until AI becomes our doctors/dentists/surgeons. Are "med-beds" on the distant horizon?? Not if the AI-powered lawyers have something to argue. Do you think hands will ever not touch my morning's cantaloupe? THAT'S a LONG, LONG, way off! Edited Tuesday at 05:10 AM by turbguy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 445 Tuesday at 08:47 AM (edited) On 6/24/2024 at 11:24 AM, Ron Wagner said: There is some truth in your statements but I think you need to have some experience with the way doctors and other practitioners work today. It is a very computer centric business that is run by very demanding people. As a Nurse practitioner, my wife had to work hours at home every night to catch up on the computer work. It was that or not give the proper amount of time to the patient's visit. They are given a quota of about twenty visits. That does not allow for good quality visits and the computer work! Doctors are in the same position. Few practitioners can afford to work independently like it was in the 1990s. My wife concurs. 3 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Times change. Some people struggle to keep up with technology and yearn for the old days. 1990 was a long time ago... Computer centric is one thing, business centric is another. Using computer to keep info, sort, search, and know which doctor is incharged on certain cases etc might improve a) the need of space for large volume of paper/cards/ hand written records; b) search to extract file or patients' history, what had been administered and worked, or may be what not and issue raised c) pint point who should be responsible shall there is issue etc Developing and less developed countries might still be catching up with this. 50 years, in gap of progress. Specialization allows young nurses to start off with data or record entry etc computer work. Not sure if tasks assignment/ delegation is commonly applied? Many years ago, for modern doctors here whom might have memory for "all fever and pain shall be given panadol or pain killers" only, a cult kid suggested to allow them to have access to internet in order to check on or verify info they are not sure. The aim has been to reduce percentage of misdiagnosis and mishandling. The idea has been adopted by royalty of Perak and Johor. Some humble and kind specialists and pharmacists catch on quickly. Most others could not be bothered. Computers here, hence, is a back up for what doctors have learnt and forgotten, most of it. Minor for data entry. 'o' 'n' 2. Biz centric - received a video today. It mentioned a surgeon who categorizes every diagnosis as same condition, in need of surgical procedure. Medication, he would prescribe them even though you do not need them, particularly when he needs to hit a certain target that month. All for money, not about the patients. @TailingsPond there, it is real.... Edited Tuesday at 08:50 AM by specinho Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,168 DM Tuesday at 11:24 PM Jobs for all Americans ...good factory jobs.........this will be a topic for debate who is creating good factory jobs Aviation Pros NorSun Announces $620 Million Investment for U.S. Solar Wafer Manufacturing Operations at Tulsa International Airport Norwegian solar energy company, NorSun, has selected Tulsa International Airport for its first U.S.-based factory location,... . 3 hours ago Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,168 DM 12 hours ago (edited) Enjoy the on-shoring of jobs back to the US and at the same time building solar panels and installing them in the US helps us all lead a cleaner healthier life with less coal burning SEIA | Solar Energy Industries Association American Solar Panel Manufacturing Capacity Increases 71% in Q1 2024 as Industry Reaches 200-Gigawatt Milestone ... WASHINGTON, D.C. — A record-setting 11 gigawatts (GW) of new solar module manufacturing capacity came online in the United States during Q1 2024,... . 3 weeks ago Edited 12 hours ago by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 8 hours ago Alas the time has come, The End. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,171 8 hours ago On 6/16/2024 at 10:57 AM, turbguy said: Now "Turning Point USA" is strongly promoting consumption of RAW MILK? H5N1 strains have proven deadly for humans, with a fatality rate of +50%. That makes this type of flu among the most dangerous and deadly diseases on the planet. By contrast, the fatality rate of COVID-19 stands at just over 1%, with many of the deaths happening early in the pandemic when there was no vaccine and little understanding of how to treat an infection. H5N1 flu is even more deadly than smallpox. We seem to have reached the mindset of a large part of our population, that takes in an FDA warning against jumping off cliffs, would lead to a serious mess at the bottom of the Grand Canyon. (Gravity ALWAYS wins). So, are you off your meds? How F'n LAZY are you? 2 damn cases of H5N1 have been documented as of early 2024.. H5N1 is bird flu and nothing to do with good ol' RAW Milk which last I checked everyone has been drinking for thousands upon thousands of years. So called "milk" in the store is not milk at all. It is a fraction of it. It is skim milk. Skim milk is even worse as it is left overs from making butter from get this --> RAW milk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,491 6 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: So, are you off your meds? How F'n LAZY are you? 2 damn cases of H5N1 have been documented as of early 2024.. H5N1 is bird flu and nothing to do with good ol' RAW Milk which last I checked everyone has been drinking for thousands upon thousands of years. So called "milk" in the store is not milk at all. It is a fraction of it. It is skim milk. Skim milk is even worse as it is left overs from making butter from get this --> RAW milk. I think it's up to four cases. All dealing with poultry and dairy farm exposure. It appears dairy stock is being infected. Here's a map: https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/hpai-confirmed-cases-livestock I'll take whole, pasteurized milk. The risk of a food-borne illness with raw milk may be small. The benefit of pasteurization is HUGE. The vast majority of butter (in the USA) is made from pasteurized cream. Unpasteurized cream/butter is a real niche product. How do you think the human race has been able to extend lifetimes over the decades? Something about cooking, sanitation, food safety regulations and inspections, and knowledgeable medial care. Why do some people take such radical positions such as to ENCOURAGE avoiding a know, effective, and proven process, to consume a product that has a higher risk of illness? Just another conspiracy, such as "JFK will reappear in Dallas any day now". Edited 6 hours ago by turbguy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,168 DM 5 hours ago 2 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: So, are you off your meds? How F'n LAZY are you? 2 damn cases of H5N1 have been documented as of early 2024.. H5N1 is bird flu and nothing to do with good ol' RAW Milk which last I checked everyone has been drinking for thousands upon thousands of years. So called "milk" in the store is not milk at all. It is a fraction of it. It is skim milk. Skim milk is even worse as it is left overs from making butter from get this --> RAW milk. RAW Milk which last I checked everyone has been drinking for thousands upon thousands of years.???? Visit a farm town cemetery and you will notice how many kids under 5 are buried in the cemeteries born/died before the 1970's. I spent summers on my Aunt and Uncles dairy farm......Raw milk was served....warm at all the meals. Having the shits (diarrhea) was common in the house along with food poisoning..... raw milk not the smartest thing to drink unless you like gambling with your health...up to real recent times there was no rush to chill it fast as the milk truck came out once a day to get the raw milk. Keep the cows utters shit free/bacteria free during milking was/is near impossible........ Cows are always shitting .....green goey crap while being milked and the shit splatters everywhere....... all the milk is mixed together in the fresh tank at room temperature (before it is chilled) .....Bacteria love it..better drink it fast before the Bacteria gets the upper hand I am one for pasteurizing.......Love milk ....do not love the nasty bacteria that is present during milking Most countries irradiate milk and you can sell it warm........again kill off all the bacteria first ...Raw milk go for it if you love the squirts H5N1.....not a problem (yet) but the other typical bacteria Salmonella, E. coli, Campylobacter, Staphylococcus aureus, Yersinia, Brucella, Coxiella, Listeria have spread everywhere...why would anyone be crazy to drink raw milk these days????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,171 2 hours ago 3 hours ago, turbguy said: I think it's up to four cases. All dealing with poultry and dairy farm exposure. It appears dairy stock is being infected. Here's a map: https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/hpai-confirmed-cases-livestock I'll take whole, pasteurized milk. The risk of a food-borne illness with raw milk may be small. The benefit of pasteurization is HUGE. The vast majority of butter (in the USA) is made from pasteurized cream. Unpasteurized cream/butter is a real niche product. How do you think the human race has been able to extend lifetimes over the decades? Something about cooking, sanitation, food safety regulations and inspections, and knowledgeable medial care. Why do some people take such radical positions such as to ENCOURAGE avoiding a know, effective, and proven process, to consume a product that has a higher risk of illness? Just another conspiracy, such as "JFK will reappear in Dallas any day now". Why DEMAND compliance like dictator scum? Everyone knows what they are buying and why. This thing called a label... <<GASP!>> AH, but you have rampant hero complex narcissism disease. You scum, think you are "saving" them from themselves. You aren't. There used to be milk men delivering REAL milk to your doorstep. Thanks to trash like you we can't get that anymore. Last time we got that was back in the 1980's. Everyone was dying or getting poisoned from bad milk all over the place... Oh wait, no, no they weren't. Oh but trash like you "saved" us... YOU want to have pasteurized milk, Great. Its labeled as such. It stores far longer with half the milk removed, and is cheaper; Great. Why do you go around demanding some niche couple of dudes selling to a VERY niche specific person who knows perfectly well it is NOT pasteurized and is actually WHOLE Milk comply? --> Why? You are dictator scum pretending your brilliant and stomping over those "stupid" rubes regardless of fact that Pasteurization breaks down the milk and several key vitamins(changing its taste among other things) which are key to survival for several types of sick people, but hey, you know stomp around in your RIGHTEOUS ignorant fervor while you pretend your hero actions are saving these poor stupid benighted fools from their ignorance... We all know who the ACTUAL ignorant is here... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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