America Is Exceptional in Its Political Divide

[turbguy + 1,553]

4 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

A very wise man once said..Such Is Life.

Such is life.

[Ron Wagner + 714]

8 hours ago, turbguy said:

If you don't like the word   ..."may"..

(which also implies the opposite).  

Too bad.

 but not without first attempting to notify taxpayers by mail.

[turbguy + 1,553]

27 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said:

 but not without first attempting to notify taxpayers by mail.

Not quite that explicit.

"Taxpayers generally will first receive a letter or notice from the IRS in the mail".

(That is, most of the time).

[Ron Wagner + 714]

I don't know your source, but the IRS has ruined its credibility by going after Republicans for political reasons. That is basically true of all federal agencies because of federal employee unions since the JFK administration made them legal. The D.O.J. is a prime example also.

[TailingsPond + 1,013]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV7Ad9jz3bs&t=49s

Trump says he will be a better cheater.

"[If we don't cheat the dems will win every election]"

Democracy sucks for the losers. 

Edited March 30, 2023 by TailingsPond

[footeab@yahoo.com + 2,194]

On 3/28/2023 at 11:52 PM, Ron Wagner said:

Protestant 26
Roman Catholic 21
Mormon 1
Orthodox *
Jewish 2
Muslim 1
Buddhist 2
Hindu *
Atheist 4
Agnostic 8
Nothing in particular 12
Just Christian 20                68% identify as Christian
Unitarian 1
Something else 2
DON’T KNOW -
SKIPPED ON WEB/REFUSED -
N= 994

Here in reality: What people do matters, not what they say. 

Here in reality by your own link, less than 30% attend Church even once a month. 

No, Christmas/Easter is not being "Christian" anymore than Muslims who never read the Quran/Hadith are Muslim.  Or Confucians who only attend a single memorial service once a year are Confucian or Atheists who....

[turbguy + 1,553]

The true story of American history is the story of periodic convulsions of failure, and breakdown, followed by long periods of readjustment and renewal.

Patriotism, a forgotten value?

There is some of the resentful, rotten patriotism that I observe at MAGA rallies.

There is also a more mature kind of patriotism, the love I have for my country when I know its flaws.

It is a "curious" kind of patriotism, one that wants to understand the full complexities of America, that wants to read David McCullough, John Hope Franklin and Doris Kearns Goodwin.

(and also watch those Ken Burns documentaries).

 

The Dream Goes On.mp3

Edited March 31, 2023 by turbguy

[TailingsPond + 1,013]

Watch the fireworks.

An indictment of this significance wouldn't happen if they didn't think they would get a conviction.

 

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

4 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Watch the fireworks.

An indictment of this significance wouldn't happen if they didn't think they would get a conviction.

 

Stormy days ahead indeed!

[Ron Wagner + 714]

On 3/30/2023 at 2:00 PM, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Here in reality: What people do matters, not what they say. 

Here in reality by your own link, less than 30% attend Church even once a month. 

No, Christmas/Easter is not being "Christian" anymore than Muslims who never read the Quran/Hadith are Muslim.  Or Confucians who only attend a single memorial service once a year are Confucian or Atheists who....

The offerings of many churches are actually not very good compared to what is available on television and online. Attending church is only one part of being a Christian.  We attend and use online sources plus books. 

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,555]

On 3/30/2023 at 8:16 PM, TailingsPond said:

Watch the fireworks.

An indictment of this significance wouldn't happen if they didn't think they would get a conviction.

 

There are no alternatives, Trump was on the Cuspid of exposing 10 yrs of Obama's administration. It's a live or die conundrum.

[TailingsPond + 1,013]

12 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

There are no alternatives, Trump was on the Cuspid of exposing 10 yrs of Obama's administration. It's a live or die conundrum.

You mean he failed to drain the swamp? Add that to the list.

You are certainly dedicated to failure.  When will the kraken be released this time?  Or maybe Biden will pardon him?  Or trump will win from jail? 😄  You've believed dumber things in the past... numerous times.  Bigly!

Call up your buds Ward and 0R0 and get the scoop. Is the illuminate still sending secret messages about how the generals are going to overthrow the gov't any day now.

Edited April 1, 2023 by TailingsPond

[turbguy + 1,553]

On 3/31/2023 at 10:44 PM, TailingsPond said:

Call up your buds Ward and 0R0 and get the scoop. Is the illuminate still sending secret messages about how the generals are going to overthrow the gov't any day now.

 

"Just two more weeks"!

(then they can move the goalposts again).

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,555]

On 3/31/2023 at 9:44 PM, TailingsPond said:

You mean he failed to drain the swamp? Add that to the list.

You are certainly dedicated to failure.  When will the kraken be released this time?  Or maybe Biden will pardon him?  Or trump will win from jail? 😄  You've believed dumber things in the past... numerous times.  Bigly!

Call up your buds Ward and 0R0 and get the scoop. Is the illuminate still sending secret messages about how the generals are going to overthrow the gov't any day now.

Psychosis runs quite deep in you, perhaps a timeout would be in order. We face grave times in the US, very dark clouds are forming over this country...formed by a very few individuals.

 

Comer Reveals Biden Family Members Receiving Payments from Chinese Energy Company

WASHINGTON—Today, the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability issued a memorandum revealing new evidence resulting from the investigation into the Biden family’s influence peddling and business schemes. Subpoenaed financial records show that from 2015 to 2017, Biden family members – Hunter Biden, James Biden, Hallie Biden, and an unknown “Biden” – and their companies collectively received $1.3 million in payments from accounts related to Rob Walker, a Biden family associate.

 

 

 

 

https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-reveals-biden-family-members-receiving-payments-from-chinese-energy-company/

Edited April 4, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

[turbguy + 1,553]

3 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Psychosis runs quite deep in you, perhaps a timeout would be in order. We face grave times in the US, very dark clouds are forming over this country...formed by a very few individuals.

 

Comer Reveals Biden Family Members Receiving Payments from Chinese Energy Company

WASHINGTON—Today, the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability issued a memorandum revealing new evidence resulting from the investigation into the Biden family’s influence peddling and business schemes. Subpoenaed financial records show that from 2015 to 2017, Biden family members – Hunter Biden, James Biden, Hallie Biden, and an unknown “Biden” – and their companies collectively received $1.3 million in payments from accounts related to Rob Walker, a Biden family associate.

 

 

 

 

https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-reveals-biden-family-members-receiving-payments-from-chinese-energy-company/

While that is a development of interest...

I would say that the "dark clouds" started forming in January, 2017, and have been increasingly darkening...

...formed by ONE individual.

Edited April 4, 2023 by turbguy

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,555]

4 hours ago, turbguy said:

While that is a development of interest...

Try one development of interest, there are 149 items of interest, some do indeed lead to the Ukraine and others lead to China.

Turbguy I know you to a intelligent individual, would it be wise to abuse that intellect defending criminal enterprise determined to fractionalize along with corrupting the US?.

In the words of a very wise man...

I leave it with you

 

WASHINGTON—House Committee on Oversight and Reform Ranking Member James Comer (R-Ky.) today wrote the Biden Administration and several banks and financial institutions about Hunter Biden and Biden family and associates’ suspicious foreign business transactions flagged by U.S. banks. According to recent media reports, more than 150 of Hunter Biden and the Biden network’s international business transactions have generated suspicious activity reports by U.S. banks for further review by the Treasury Department to determine if there is illegal activity or a threat to national security. The Treasury Department used to provide these reports to Congress, but the Biden Administration has restricted access to them, raising questions about a possible effort to hide the Biden network’s suspicious business dealings.

 

 

 

 

https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-probes-hunter-bidens-suspicious-foreign-business-transactions-flagged-by-u-s-banks/

What lies in our future 

Incredibly suspicious’ Hunter Biden email may be based on classified info: GOP senator

 

https://nypost.com/2023/01/25/suspicious-hunter-biden-email-may-be-based-on-classified-info-gop-senator/

Edited April 4, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

[turbguy + 1,553]

5 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Try one development of interest, there are 149 items of interest, some do indeed lead to the Ukraine and others lead to China.

Turbguy I know you to a intelligent individual, would it be wise to abuse that intellect defending criminal enterprise determined to fractionalize along with corrupting the US?.

In the words of a very wise man...

I leave it with you

Have you ever pondered on the fact that America seems to demand stability, yet thrives on controversy?

A strange entanglement, indeed.

Edited April 5, 2023 by turbguy

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,555]

19 minutes ago, turbguy said:

Have you ever pondered on the fact that America seems to demand stability, yet thrives on controversy?

A strange entanglement, indeed.

Intelligent controversy.

[turbguy + 1,553]

Just now, Eyes Wide Open said:

Intelligent controversy.

As a VERY wise man once observed:

"Only in America".

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

One of the questions I asked in the initial start of this topic was this " Do you guys feel there is ever going to be a more accepting middle ground between the 2 parties or even the potential politically for a new party to take that middle ground and become a force in years to come?"

Nobody has commented on whether this is feasable,likely or downright crazy.

Maybe the 2 main parties are just too big, too rich and too powerful for a middle ground party to gain any meaningful traction?

Would love some of your thoughts on this.

[notsonice + 1,266]

11 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

One of the questions I asked in the initial start of this topic was this " Do you guys feel there is ever going to be a more accepting middle ground between the 2 parties or even the potential politically for a new party to take that middle ground and become a force in years to come?"

Nobody has commented on whether this is feasable,likely or downright crazy.

Maybe the 2 main parties are just too big, too rich and too powerful for a middle ground party to gain any meaningful traction?

Would love some of your thoughts on this.

Do you guys feel there is ever going to be a more accepting middle ground between the 2 parties or even the potential politically for a new party to take that middle ground and become a force in years to come?"

 

the simple answer is no a third party will not happen and an accepting middle ground will only be achieved when Trump exits politics. Trump was never interested in middle ground solutions.

The GOP has strayed so far from its principles with Trump that they will lose many elections

Last night in Wisconsin was a whopper

The GOP candidate for the supreme court was a far right wing nut job ....A Trumper...so far right that he lost by over 10 percentage points

 

Wisconsin was evenly split for many years Roe vs Wade undid it and the root cause is Trump

Wisconsin will now shift to the left ......until Trump is gone

 

The GOP in Wisconsin now faces the reality that putting forward the Trump field will lose them election after election after election.....

When the GOP figures how to rid themselves of Trump they will be able to win elections again

2024 is a lost cause for the GOP

The party of Trump is not winning anything

 

These days no one that voted for Trump will actually admit it

Edited April 5, 2023 by notsonice

[TailingsPond + 1,013]

On 4/4/2023 at 2:58 PM, Eyes Wide Open said:

defending criminal enterprise determined to [fragment and corrupt] the US?

 

Sounds like trump behaviour, and you defend him.

"In the words of a wise man..." 

Words are not your strength.  "Bigly." 

Edited April 5, 2023 by TailingsPond

[TailingsPond + 1,013]

16 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

 Do you guys feel there is ever going to be a more accepting middle ground between the 2 parties or even the potential politically for a new party to take that middle ground and become a force in years to come?"

 

No third party. 

What normally occurs is the two parties slightly shift policy towards the centre in order to swing votes to their side.  When the leading party starts pushing too far left or right they lose voters so they soften their stance. 

What we have currently is abnormal and approaching a civil war.  From history we know how that goes for the loser red states.

 

Edited April 6, 2023 by TailingsPond

[turbguy + 1,553]

11 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

No third party. 

What normally occurs is the two parties slightly shift policy towards the centre in order to swing votes to their side.  When the leading party starts pushing too far left or right they lose voters so they soften their stance. 

What we have currently is abnormal and approaching a civil war.  From history we know how that goes for the loser red loser states.

 

A Civil War will not occur due to policy differences.

It will only occur when it deals with MONEY!

[notsonice + 1,266]

6 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

No third party. 

What normally occurs is the two parties slightly shift policy towards the centre in order to swing votes to their side.  When the leading party starts pushing too far left or right they lose voters so they soften their stance. 

What we have currently is abnormal and approaching a civil war.  From history we know how that goes for the loser red states.

 

civil war??? over what???

reality check ....on a personal level ....everyones has the right to own property or start a business or to do as they please in their own homes

what would one fight for???? The GOP and the Dems alike know better than to screw with everyones personal liberties.....

The civil war was fought for real civil liberties....

People are upset over illegal aliens but this has been going on for 200 years in the US and no one is talking about civil war over it

Texas or Florida  looking at suceeding from the Union???? not happening at all 

 

People upset over the military???nope no draft since the 70's

People upset over taxes??? no 

People upset over Social Security of Medicare???? or the taxes that support them....Nope

 

People upset over unemployment???? nope plenty of jobs

Gun confiscation is not going to happen....just rules on who can own and what you can own and what how you can use it for ...nothing new 

People like to bitch...reality people do not like to die fighting for politicians or political battles

You saw only a few hundred trumpers out supporting Trump at his booking date.....

guess no one wants to go to prison for a greedy guy who is unable to keep his Johnson in his shorts

in the meantime just alot of bitching for a while

 

 

Edited April 6, 2023 by notsonice