Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 January 16 (edited) 14 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: In a primary of course. Lmao...sweep: wins all 99 county's something that never has occurred in US history in any state or election There are 99 counties in the U.S. state of Iowa. The first two counties, Des Moines County and Dubuque County, were created in 1834 when Iowa was still part of the Michigan Territory. Edited January 16 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP January 16 4 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Lmao...sweep: wins all 99 county's something that never has occurred in US history in any state or election There are 99 counties in the U.S. state of Iowa. The first two counties, Des Moines County and Dubuque County, were created in 1834 when Iowa was still part of the Michigan Territory. Did Haley not win Johnson county? was winning after 95% of the votes had been counted, close though. Iowa Caucus 2024 Live Results: Trump Wins - The New York Times (nytimes.com) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 January 16 8 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Did Haley not win Johnson county? was winning after 95% of the votes had been counted, close though. Iowa Caucus 2024 Live Results: Trump Wins - The New York Times (nytimes.com) We definitely are a nation of diversity Trump narrowly denied clean sweep of Iowa's 99 counties by 1 vote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 852 GE January 16 5 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: We definitely are a nation of diversity Trump narrowly denied clean sweep of Iowa's 99 counties by 1 vote Do you understand how primaries work? I don't think you do. It is no surprise that trump is the leader of the GOP. However, this says nothing about the diversity of the nation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 852 GE January 16 In other news more socialism was just approved. For those who can't understand (eyes shut), people who do not have children contribute, yet do not receive anything, hence socialism. "The bill would incrementally increase the maximum refundable child tax credit to $1,800 for 2023 tax returns, $1,900 for the following year and $2,000 for 2025 tax returns. The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal think tank and advocacy group, projected that about 16 million children in low-income families would benefit from the child tax credit expansion." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 852 GE January 17 (edited) The lawyers know they will lose and losing looks bad so they quit. They are also not willing to go bankrupt like Giuliani and Powell. Trump left in a 'bleak' position by 3 lawyers who quit in single day: Michael Cohen (msn.com) "Finding competent counsel has plagued Donald for many years now due to his erratic legal requests and delinquent payment history " "The cases coming to fruition are all significant and require expertise in handling by legitimate attorneys, not small-claims litigators or parking lot attorneys. Donald's outcome remains bleak" Edited January 17 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM January 17 12 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: We definitely are a nation of diversity Trump narrowly denied clean sweep of Iowa's 99 counties by 1 vote huh he only got half of the vote this time 51 percent , Haley 19 percent and Ronny D 21 Percent Vivek 8 percent compared to over 97 percent in 2020 not what any would exactly call a clear win....... 29 percent of Americans call the GOP their designated party..... so Trump has a lock on 15 percent of all voters..........compared to 30 percent in 2020........ I do not see Haley or Ronny D backing down anytime soon let the civil war continue Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 706 January 18 On 3/23/2023 at 5:58 AM, Rob Plant said: As a UK citizen knowing my own country has rarely if ever been as polarized as it is today largely because of Brexit, I am costantly surprised by the enormous divide and mistrust by USA posters on this site who are either pro Democrat or pro Republican. Since the rise of Trump and the political fervour surrounding him from both sides the rhetoric has just escalated to a new level or at least that is my perception as a "foreigner". Do you guys feel there is ever going to be a more accepting middle ground between the 2 parties or even the potential politically for a new party to take that middle ground and become a force in years to come? As an outsider looking in its not reassuring to other nations that the hegemon appears to be so divided, and potentially will inflict upon itself enough wounds for a country such as China to step in and take over that mantle. Love to know your thoughts. https://www.visualcapitalist.com/polarization-across-28-countries/ https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/trust/archive/winter-2021/america-is-exceptional-in-its-political-divide#:~:text=Americans have rarely been as polarized as they,engagement%2C and a long list of other issues. Have you been talking to all the Englishmen that are looking for another place to live? England is turning into a totally different culture than what it was when I was young and visited London. Now with Muslim mayors it is a real mess. Democrats in America have been trying to do the same thing to America by letting in illegal aliens and changing our culture according to socialist values. Where were you when Obama was president and tore American values apart and now when BIden is doing the same? Europeans values are so far left that they think Trump is the bogeyman. Conservative Americans look at Europe, Canada, Australia, etc. and know we are the last remaining country that is still free and has a constitution to fight for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 706 January 18 23 hours ago, notsonice said: huh he only got half of the vote this time 51 percent , Haley 19 percent and Ronny D 21 Percent Vivek 8 percent compared to over 97 percent in 2020 not what any would exactly call a clear win....... 29 percent of Americans call the GOP their designated party..... so Trump has a lock on 15 percent of all voters..........compared to 30 percent in 2020........ I do not see Haley or Ronny D backing down anytime soon let the civil war continue That was a record win in Iowa! Get real! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 January 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: That was a record win in Iowa! Get real! That will never happen. Before this drama play's out world affairs will be in sheer turmoil. The great reset has been broken...the stench is unparalleled. Sheer panic' from European leaders on potential second Trump term: Ian Bremmer Everyone's talking about it," said Ian Bremmer, president of Eurasia Group, in an interview with Yahoo Finance. "I mean, there's a lot of ice out there. Right under the ice — just under the ice — is sheer panic on the part of certainly every European leader you may have seen." https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sheer-panic-from-european-leaders-on-potential-second-trump-term-ian-bremmer-124952608.html Edited January 18 by Eyes Wide Open 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM January 18 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: That was a record win in Iowa! Get real! what was the record....he got 51 percent of the vote from the GOP????? Iowa A vote of confidence???? not exactly a resounding mandate on any part Iowa a sigh of relief from the nutjobs that call themselves republicans???? as you can bet if he did not muster 50 Percent it could devastate him. okay I guess it is better than the 2016 and 2020 general election where on both occasions he failed to get a majority of voters ...... again what was the Record ?????? he did better than 2016 in the Iowa primary and did not get defeated to someone like Ted Cruz????? You need to get real , come to grips he is barely capable of getting a majority of GOP votes. And as an ex-president.....not a good sign. not exactly voter enthusiasm for his candidacy. So if he loses New Hampshire are you going to be claiming a rigged election????? Nikki is not an American ?????.....you can bet Trump will claim both. he still is unable to accept he lost in 2020 fair and square. Can you accept it???? I got robbed???? His 2024 slogan?? Edited January 18 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP January 18 (edited) 5 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: Have you been talking to all the Englishmen that are looking for another place to live? England is turning into a totally different culture than what it was when I was young and visited London. Now with Muslim mayors it is a real mess. Democrats in America have been trying to do the same thing to America by letting in illegal aliens and changing our culture according to socialist values. Where were you when Obama was president and tore American values apart and now when BIden is doing the same? Europeans values are so far left that they think Trump is the bogeyman. Conservative Americans look at Europe, Canada, Australia, etc. and know we are the last remaining country that is still free and has a constitution to fight for. Firstly Ron What is wrong with Muslim mayors? Do you have an issue with muslims? Personally I think Sadiq Khan is a political buffoon but that doesnt escape your apparent racist post. Secondly "Have you been talking to all the Englishmen that are looking for another place to live?" Are you insane? Where on earth do you get this from? There are always old people who want to live in warmer climates but there is no mass exodus of historic English people because of immigration and cultural changes. Thirdly "England is turning into a totally different culture" Yes of course it is. England is a very multicultural country and very accepting of different cultures and faiths, as a Christian man you should surely welcome this, but your post insinuates the opposite. England has always had cultural change and that is down to the people who are there, going back to the Britons, then Roman influence, through to trading with France, Spain et al. Why are you so afraid of cultural change? It actually gives you a far more rounded way of thinking and understanding. If more countries did the same there would be less hatred, violence and wars in the world right now. Edited January 18 by Rob Plant 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 January 18 (edited) It begins...the progressive/socialist party is now under siege from all fronts. What a time in America. No Labels asks Justice Department to investigate alleged ‘conspiracy’ to block ballot efforts BY HANNA TRUDO - 01/18/24 11:40 AM ET TRENDING: TEXAS MAXWELL FROST GROCERY SPENDING THE HILL ON NEWSNATION SPONSORED: CONTENT FROM WELLS FARGO CONTENT FROM ZELLE CAMPAIGN No Labels asks Justice Department to investigate alleged ‘conspiracy’ to block ballot efforts BY HANNA TRUDO - 01/18/24 11:40 AM ET ShareTweet ...More People with the group No Labels hold signs during a rally on Capitol Hill in Washington, July 18, 2011. (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin, File) No Labels, a nonprofit trying to build support for a third-party ticket in 2024, filed a complaint with the U.S. Department of Justice over what leaders contend are organizations engaging in a “conspiracy” to interfere with its ballot access effort. During a press briefing Thursday, group leaders alleged a “brazen” attempt among mostly Democratic-aligned outside groups to curb its work to build popular support for a unity candidate in November. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4415791-no-labels-asks-justice-department-to-investigate-conspiracy-to-block-ballot-efforts/ Edited January 18 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM January 18 5 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: It begins...the progressive/socialist party is now under siege from all fronts. What a time in America. No Labels asks Justice Department to investigate alleged ‘conspiracy’ to block ballot efforts BY HANNA TRUDO - 01/18/24 11:40 AM ET TRENDING: TEXAS MAXWELL FROST GROCERY SPENDING THE HILL ON NEWSNATION SPONSORED: CONTENT FROM WELLS FARGO CONTENT FROM ZELLE CAMPAIGN No Labels asks Justice Department to investigate alleged ‘conspiracy’ to block ballot efforts BY HANNA TRUDO - 01/18/24 11:40 AM ET ShareTweet ...More People with the group No Labels hold signs during a rally on Capitol Hill in Washington, July 18, 2011. (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin, File) No Labels, a nonprofit trying to build support for a third-party ticket in 2024, filed a complaint with the U.S. Department of Justice over what leaders contend are organizations engaging in a “conspiracy” to interfere with its ballot access effort. During a press briefing Thursday, group leaders alleged a “brazen” attempt among mostly Democratic-aligned outside groups to curb its work to build popular support for a unity candidate in November. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4415791-no-labels-asks-justice-department-to-investigate-conspiracy-to-block-ballot-efforts/ no labels is an old effort that goes nowhere notice the photo you posted.....it is dated July 18, 2011 you still living in 2011????? oh what a time 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 706 January 18 (edited) 12 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Firstly Ron What is wrong with Muslim mayors? Do you have an issue with muslims? Personally I think Sadiq Khan is a political buffoon but that doesnt escape your apparent racist post. Secondly "Have you been talking to all the Englishmen that are looking for another place to live?" Are you insane? Where on earth do you get this from? There are always old people who want to live in warmer climates but there is no mass exodus of historic English people because of immigration and cultural changes. Thirdly "England is turning into a totally different culture" Yes of course it is. England is a very multicultural country and very accepting of different cultures and faiths, as a Christian man you should surely welcome this, but your post insinuates the opposite. England has always had cultural change and that is down to the people who are there, going back to the Britons, then Roman influence, through to trading with France, Spain et al. Why are you so afraid of cultural change? It actually gives you a far more rounded way of thinking and understanding. If more countries did the same there would be less hatred, violence and wars in the world right now. I am referring to illegal immigrants. Anyone who has not gone through the process of applying for citizenship and then being granted that right. I do have a problem with Muslims due to the problems best seen in Europe, where Notre Dame and dozens of other churches are burned and you hear very little about it in the USA. Why, because you are not allowed to talk about all the violence and lawlessness in France, England, Germany, and other European countries. You are aware of all of this but do not give a damn. You are too good a left winger to tell the truth. You try to shut up everyone that discusses the facts. Your political power increases as conservatism and traditional values die in Britain. You are entitled to your beliefs but not to shutting up free speech like they now do in Canada. I am an American and will never allow that to happen in my lifetime. I am not a racist or against peaceful folks of any race. I support Indian Christians that are victims of Hindu extremists, Christians that are victims of Muslims in Africa, Christians that are victims of communist atheists, and any who are killed, and tortured worldwide. Voice of the Martyrs is one of my favorite organizations. https://www.persecution.com/free-magazine/?_source_code=WBPGNLS3&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAtaOtBhCwARIsAN_x-3JH9OPVlSnkVGp3b3RU2cUUr2Lv0eUm5ENjDM--lcmFsci6dO47w-UaAr5CEALw_wcB Freedom of speech in Canada https://ccla.org/our-work/fundamental-freedoms/freedom-of-expression/#:~:text=Restrictions on freedom of expression,restrictions placed on press freedoms. Edited January 18 by Ron Wagner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 706 January 18 12 hours ago, notsonice said: what was the record....he got 51 percent of the vote from the GOP????? Iowa A vote of confidence???? not exactly a resounding mandate on any part Iowa a sigh of relief from the nutjobs that call themselves republicans???? as you can bet if he did not muster 50 Percent it could devastate him. okay I guess it is better than the 2016 and 2020 general election where on both occasions he failed to get a majority of voters ...... again what was the Record ?????? he did better than 2016 in the Iowa primary and did not get defeated to someone like Ted Cruz????? You need to get real , come to grips he is barely capable of getting a majority of GOP votes. And as an ex-president.....not a good sign. not exactly voter enthusiasm for his candidacy. So if he loses New Hampshire are you going to be claiming a rigged election????? Nikki is not an American ?????.....you can bet Trump will claim both. he still is unable to accept he lost in 2020 fair and square. Can you accept it???? I got robbed???? His 2024 slogan?? He lost due to being silenced by the deep state in conjunction with the establishment journalists, media, Democrats, FBI, etc. The truth was blatantly suppressed using the power of the government and those they controlled. When he demanded a recount along with all of his supporters they attacked him with lies of all sorts, including the January 6 non insurrection. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 January 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ron Wagner said: He lost due to being silenced by the deep state in conjunction with the establishment journalists, media, Democrats, FBI, etc. The truth was blatantly suppressed using the power of the government and those they controlled. When he demanded a recount along with all of his supporters they attacked him with lies of all sorts, including the January 6 non insurrection. Before this drama ends many answers will lie in the below article...take note of the sources. Top Dem says AG Barr is endangering relationships with key U.S. allies WASHINGTON — Attorney General William Barris harming America's relationships with its closest allies by pressuring them to produce intelligence about the Russia investigation in an effort to help President Trump politically, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee charged Thursday in an exclusive interview with NBC News. Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia, who has presided with his Republican counterpart over a two-year, bipartisan investigation into 2016 election interference efforts, said Barr's outreach to foreign governments, confirmed by the Department of Justice, threatens to undermine decades of U.S. intelligence sharing. https://www.euronews.com/2019/10/03/top-dem-says-ag-barr-endangering-relationships-key-u-s-n1062196 Pine Gap https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap Edited January 19 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 January 19 (edited) Jamie Dimon...I must say.. in rare form is he not! Jamie Dimon: Trump was right about key issues and bashing MAGA will hurt Biden Live TV Markets DOW37,468.610.54% S&P 5004,780.940.88% NASDAQ15,055.651.35% Fear & Greed Index 66 Jamie Dimon: Trump was right about key issues and bashing MAGA will hurt Biden By Matt Egan, CNN 3 minute read Published 4:37 PM EST, Wed January 17, 2024 Jamie Dimon, chairman and chief executive officer of JPMorgan Chase. Marco Bello/Bloomberg/Getty Images New YorkCNN — Jamie Dimon has a warning for Democrats: Don’t dismiss Trump supporters as people who are exclusively attracted to his personality. Former President Donald Trump was right about some critical issues, the JPMorgan CEO says. “I wish the Democrats would think a little more carefully when they talk about MAGA,” Dimon told CNBC on Wednesday from the World Economic Forum in Davos. Dimon, who has clashed with Trump in the past and previously described himself as “barely a Democrat,” said that people are “basically scape-goating” Trump supporters. He said Democrats use the “MAGA” label to accuse Trump supporters of being like the former president instead of listening to their underlying concerns. Live TV Markets DOW37,468.610.54% S&P 5004,780.940.88% NASDAQ15,055.651.35% Fear & Greed Index 66 Jamie Dimon: Trump was right about key issues and bashing MAGA will hurt Biden By Matt Egan, CNN 3 minute read Published 4:37 PM EST, Wed January 17, 2024 Jamie Dimon, chairman and chief executive officer of JPMorgan Chase. Marco Bello/Bloomberg/Getty Images New YorkCNN — Jamie Dimon has a warning for Democrats: Don’t dismiss Trump supporters as people who are exclusively attracted to his personality. Former President Donald Trump was right about some critical issues, the JPMorgan CEO says. “I wish the Democrats would think a little more carefully when they talk about MAGA,” Dimon told CNBC on Wednesday from the World Economic Forum in Davos. Dimon, who has clashed with Trump in the past and previously described himself as “barely a Democrat,” said that people are “basically scape-goating” Trump supporters. He said Democrats use the “MAGA” label to accuse Trump supporters of being like the former president instead of listening to their underlying concerns. ADVERTISING “I don’t think they are voting for Trump because of his family values,” Dimon said. “Just take a step back and be honest: He was kind of right about NATO. He was kind of right about immigration. He grew the economy quite well. Tax reform worked.” Dimon went on to say Trump was also right about some his criticism of China. “I don’t like how he said things about Mexico,” Dimon said, referring to Trump’s 2015 announcement of his candidacy when he said the country was sending criminals and rapists into the United States. “But he wasn’t wrong about some of these critical issues and that’s why they’re voting for him.” https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/17/business/jamie-dimon-trump-maga/index.html Edited January 19 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 852 GE January 19 (edited) 20 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: . Conservative Americans look at Europe, Canada, Australia, etc. and know we are the last remaining country that is still free and has a constitution to fight for. If you value the constitution you can not support trump. He is openly against the constitution. "No Rules" also he claims he never took an oath the protect the constitution. https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/trump-constitution-oath-14th-amendment-rcna127049 Edited January 19 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 January 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, TailingsPond said: If you value the constitution you can not support trump. He is openly against the constitution. "No Rules" also he claims he never took an oath the protect the constitution. https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/trump-constitution-oath-14th-amendment-rcna127049 Soon much will be known...let the drama unfold. Too far, Biden: Federal judge rules president can't censor our social media feeds Throughout Joe Biden’s presidency, there have been alarming reports about how his administration has attempted to influence or coerce what is allowed on social media https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/07/07/biden-barred-influencing-social-media-free-speech-win/70387141007/ Edited January 19 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 January 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, TailingsPond said: If you value the constitution you can not support trump. He is openly against the constitution. "No Rules" also he claims he never took an oath the protect the constitution. https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/trump-constitution-oath-14th-amendment-rcna127049 Alarming' surveillance: Feds asked banks to search private transactions for terms like ‘MAGA,’ ‘Trump’ January 17, 2024 In The News The FBI declined to comment. The requests for interviews come as a separate House committee investigates "what really happened" on Jan. 6, 2021. https://judiciary.house.gov/media/in-the-news/alarming-surveillance-feds-asked-banks-search-private-transactions-terms-maga Edited January 19 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 852 GE January 19 (edited) 5 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Soon much will be known...let the drama unfold. We do not need to wait to know trump that does not respect the constitution. It is on record in his own words. Trump supporters therefore clearly do not value the constitution. "the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the constitution." Edited January 19 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP January 19 10 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: I am referring to illegal immigrants. Anyone who has not gone through the process of applying for citizenship and then being granted that right. I do have a problem with Muslims due to the problems best seen in Europe, where Notre Dame and dozens of other churches are burned and you hear very little about it in the USA. Why, because you are not allowed to talk about all the violence and lawlessness in France, England, Germany, and other European countries. You are aware of all of this but do not give a damn. You are too good a left winger to tell the truth. You try to shut up everyone that discusses the facts. Your political power increases as conservatism and traditional values die in Britain. You are entitled to your beliefs but not to shutting up free speech like they now do in Canada. I am an American and will never allow that to happen in my lifetime. I am not a racist or against peaceful folks of any race. I support Indian Christians that are victims of Hindu extremists, Christians that are victims of Muslims in Africa, Christians that are victims of communist atheists, and any who are killed, and tortured worldwide. Voice of the Martyrs is one of my favorite organizations. https://www.persecution.com/free-magazine/?_source_code=WBPGNLS3&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAtaOtBhCwARIsAN_x-3JH9OPVlSnkVGp3b3RU2cUUr2Lv0eUm5ENjDM--lcmFsci6dO47w-UaAr5CEALw_wcB Freedom of speech in Canada https://ccla.org/our-work/fundamental-freedoms/freedom-of-expression/#:~:text=Restrictions on freedom of expression,restrictions placed on press freedoms. Ron you no nothing about me actually! For your info I have only ever voted conservative, I have never tried to surpress anyones voice or opinion and I welcome debate. I do challenge people who state falsehoods IMO and I provide data to support this. If I'm proven wrong I tend to thank that individual for educating me. Historically England used to be a very liberal voting country, in fact there were only 2 main parties the conservaties and the liberals. Very much like your own system in USA now. Liberalism then went out of favour n the 1920's and the labour party became the main opposition to the conservatives. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_(UK) You speak of muslim extremists, that is unfair on the general muslim faith which is very peaceful! Your views on this seem to class any muslim as a potential terrorist which couldnt be further from the truth. You might as well class all right wingers as terrorists as a number of them perform terrorist activities just like extreme muslims do. Here is 1 far right guy that performed 1 of the worst terrorist atrocities on European soil ever when he killed 77 people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik https://www.brookings.edu/articles/sunni-and-shi-a-terrorism-differences-that-matter/ Ron extremists are exactly that extremists, it doesnt matter whether they are far left, far right, or have a warped view of their faith and kill in the name of God and eternal life. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Postgraduate student 0 MM January 19 It's not divided. The government functions basically the same irrespective of who wins and leads the world in everything. The media like to talk down America but it's number 1. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 706 January 19 12 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Ron you no nothing about me actually! For your info I have only ever voted conservative, I have never tried to surpress anyones voice or opinion and I welcome debate. I do challenge people who state falsehoods IMO and I provide data to support this. If I'm proven wrong I tend to thank that individual for educating me. Historically England used to be a very liberal voting country, in fact there were only 2 main parties the conservaties and the liberals. Very much like your own system in USA now. Liberalism then went out of favour n the 1920's and the labour party became the main opposition to the conservatives. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_(UK) You speak of muslim extremists, that is unfair on the general muslim faith which is very peaceful! Your views on this seem to class any muslim as a potential terrorist which couldnt be further from the truth. You might as well class all right wingers as terrorists as a number of them perform terrorist activities just like extreme muslims do. Here is 1 far right guy that performed 1 of the worst terrorist atrocities on European soil ever when he killed 77 people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik https://www.brookings.edu/articles/sunni-and-shi-a-terrorism-differences-that-matter/ Ron extremists are exactly that extremists, it doesnt matter whether they are far left, far right, or have a warped view of their faith and kill in the name of God and eternal life. I am not anti-muslim, but against violent Muslims and extreme government controls that exist in Europe and Canada, New Zealand and Australia. My standard is the United States Constitution as it is literally written. It can be amended as desired. Today's liberals do not want free speech as exhibited by all the Western World including the establishment in America. The Established Orders do not abide by their own constitutions. Even Russia has a great constitution that is, of course not followed. You may have good ideas but seem blind to the evils of big government dictatorship. It is a common blindness so I am not trying to defame you. I have traveled in Canada and know what it is like today. It is no better than the United States. The government is even more authoritarian however The people are greatly divided between left and right, but socialism seems to have won already while we are still fighting it in America. You did not attempt to deny the veracity of my arguments. You and I know that they are true. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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