America Is Exceptional in Its Political Divide

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1 hour ago, turbguy said:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28518026/

Abstract

The growing popularity of unpasteurized milk in the United States raises public health concerns. We estimated outbreak-related illnesses and hospitalizations caused by the consumption of cow's milk and cheese contaminated with Shiga toxin-producing Escherichia coli, Salmonella spp., Listeria monocytogenes, and Campylobacter spp. using a model relying on publicly available outbreak data. In the United States, outbreaks associated with dairy consumption cause, on average, 760 illnesses/year and 22 hospitalizations/year, mostly from Salmonella spp. and Campylobacter spp. Unpasteurized milk, consumed by only 3.2% of the population, and cheese, consumed by only 1.6% of the population, caused 96% of illnesses caused by contaminated dairy products. Unpasteurized dairy products thus cause 840 (95% CrI 611-1,158) times more illnesses and 45 (95% CrI 34-59) times more hospitalizations than pasteurized products. As consumption of unpasteurized dairy products grows, illnesses will increase steadily; a doubling in the consumption of unpasteurized milk or cheese could increase outbreak-related illnesses by 96%.

I don't believe that I am DICTATING that people must produce or consume pasteurized dairy products within a state.  If I were, THEN I would actually act as a dictator would act.  Moving raw dairy products across state lines for human consumption is already dis-allowed.  It's in each state's hands. Just as all states prohibit driving on the wrong side of the road.

I am criticizing those that actually  ENCOURAGE consuming raw dairy products, when safer products are much more prevalent.  I can buy raw milk in retail stores here, should I wish.

You have your studies, I have mine.

Please, just drive on the correct side of the road. 

Raw milk does not cure or treat asthma.

The PARSIFAL study (Waser et al., 2007) has been misused by raw milk advocates ever since it was published. The PARSIFAL study found an inverse association of farm milk consumption, not raw milk consumption, with asthma (and allergy). The authors of the PARSIFAL study clearly indicated in the paper that the “present study does not allow evaluating the effect of pasteurized vs. raw milk consumption because no objective confirmation of the raw milk status of the farm milk samples was available.” In fact, in the study, about half of the farm milk was boiled (Waser et al., 2007). The authors of the PARSIFAL study concluded that “raw milk may contain pathogens such as salmonella or EHEC, and its consumption may therefore imply serious health risks… At this stage, consumption of raw farm milk cannot be recommended as a preventive measure.” (Waser et al., 2007).

Raw milk does not cure or treat allergy.

Regarding allergy, research has shown that raw milk and pasteurized milk do not differ in their anaphylactic-sensitizing capacity when tested in both animal models (Poulsen et al., 1987; McLaughlan et al., 1981) and in human clinical trials (Host and Samuelsson, 1988). Pasteurization conditions have little impact on casein structure and only cause limited whey protein denaturation. Therefore, it is not surprising that pasteurization does not change the allergenicity of milk proteins.

For example, Host and Samuelsson (1988) compared the allergic responses caused by raw, pasteurized (75°C/15 s), and homogenized/pasteurized milk in five children who are allergic to cow milk (aged 12 to 40 months). All children developed significant and similar allergic reactions from the consumption of the above three types of milk (Host and Samuelsson, 1988). The authors concluded that children with proven milk allergy can not tolerate milk, raw or pasteurized (Host and Samuelsson, 1988).

Consume what you want.  I certainly don't mean to "dictate" that.  I wish to point out that consuming potentially more dangerous substances carries an enhanced risk.  Exposure of children to a broad environment (the "farm effect") probably has significant benefits.  It certainly has more benefit than tapping thumbs or watching Tictok on a cell phone screen. 

Nor do I typically use unsavory wording to describe a person's position on matters of interest. 

At times I may be wrong. So far, I have seen very little that indicates that I am, concerning this matter. 

Feel free to consume raw meat products if you wish  That "165⁰ recommendation" is just about the same as pasteurization. For milk, the most common pasteurization methods involve temperatures ranging from 145°F (63°C) for 30 minutes to 161°F (72°C) for 15 seconds.

A lot of those studied countries BOIL milk before consumption.  That does reduce some of milk's "properties".

 

 

 

Meanwhile here in reality, not "estimated supposed "studies" VIa CDC:  https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/outbreaks.html

Click by year... Good luck finding non pasteurized milk products in that list

So, from what I can tell, your link is pure BS and I note the dates you give are same time period they needed "facts" to close down all the mom and pop dairy's in the 1980's.  . 

Also: Apparently you do not know what the word INCLUDING means.  Give ya a hint: it does not mean dependent upon...

Nor what zero times 840 is

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On 5/22/2024 at 8:27 PM, TailingsPond said:

Did we lose Eyes wide shut?  Haha.

Mr any day now...

 

On 5/23/2024 at 3:44 AM, Rob Plant said:

I think he's trying to find some new memes.

Then again he might actually have opened his eyes and realise he has been writing crap about every thread on this site.

 

On 5/23/2024 at 11:32 AM, turbguy said:

But, but....HUNTER BIDEN'S LAPTOP!!

 

On 6/5/2024 at 5:40 PM, TailingsPond said:

Still promoting a felon.

Rule of law and all that. 

 

What a day in America!

 

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28 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

What a day in America!

Did something happen?

Are you pretending to have some sort of victory?  If so what?

 

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On 6/28/2024 at 9:38 PM, Ecocharger said:

Yes, the curtains are now descending on the Green Dream, reality is beginning to emerge.

You can't keep the threads straight.   This thread isn't about the environment, it is about the civil unrest in the USA and the traitors fuelling it.

You should understand that federal USA politics will not stop the global green revolution.  The POTUS can't even stop the green revolution within the USA.  California will continue on with their green transition and the rest of the world will follow their rules if they want to continue trading with that huge market.  It has happened many times before. Can you buy a 2-stroke ICE where you live?  Probably not because after California banned them everyone stopped making them.

 

 

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5 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

You can't keep the threads straight.   This thread isn't about the environment, it is about the civil unrest in the USA and the traitors fuelling it.

You should understand that federal USA politics will not stop the global green revolution.  The POTUS can't even stop the green revolution within the USA.  California will continue on with their green transition and the rest of the world will follow their rules if they want to continue trading with that huge market.  It has happened many times before. Can you buy a 2-stroke ICE where you live?  Probably not because after California banned them everyone stopped making them.

 

 

IF that were true, California would be opening up new giant NG pipelines to balance the only "green" power source they have: Solar.  Their absurd idea of batteries is 4 hours of "backup". 

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On 6/25/2024 at 3:47 AM, specinho said:

 

Computer centric is one thing, business centric is another.

Using computer to keep info, sort, search, and know which doctor is incharged on certain cases etc might improve

a) the need of space for large volume of paper/cards/ hand written records;

b) search to extract file or patients' history, what had been administered and worked, or may be what not and issue raised 

c) pint point who should be responsible shall there is issue etc

Developing and less developed countries might still be catching up with this. 50 years, in gap of progress.

Specialization allows young nurses to start off with data or record entry etc computer work. Not sure if tasks assignment/ delegation is commonly applied? 

Many years ago, for modern doctors here whom might have memory for "all fever and pain shall be given panadol or pain killers" only, a cult kid suggested to allow them to have access to internet in order to check on or verify info they are not sure. The aim has been to reduce percentage of misdiagnosis and mishandling. The idea has been adopted by royalty of Perak and Johor. Some humble and kind specialists and pharmacists catch on quickly. Most others could not be bothered. Computers here, hence, is a back up for what doctors have learnt and forgotten, most of it. Minor for data entry. 'o' 'n'

 

2. Biz centric

- received a video today. It mentioned a surgeon who categorizes every diagnosis as same condition, in need of surgical procedure. Medication, he would prescribe them even though you do not need them, particularly when he needs to hit a certain target that month.

All for money, not about the patients. 

@TailingsPond there, it is real....

 

Regarding Biz-Centric. That is the opposite of what medical CARE should be. It must be patient centric. Computer demands should be decided by the practitioners who do the care.

Practitioners of all kinds need to be monitored for safety and efficacy, not how well they fill out computer demands. The computer should not rule over medical care. Practitioners should. They should also be paid for extra computer work that they must do beyond forty hours per week. Many people are leaving the field because of the extraordinary demands and stresses, computer work is the most time consuming extraneous work. I worked through all the phases of computer work in the field. 

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On 6/28/2024 at 8:14 PM, turbguy said:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28518026/

Abstract of Estimated LIES

The growing popularity of unpasteurized milk in the United States raises public health concerns. We estimated outbreak-related illnesses and hospitalizations caused by the consumption of cow's milk and cheese contaminated with Shiga toxin-producing Escherichia coli, Salmonella spp., Listeria monocytogenes, and Campylobacter spp. using a model relying on publicly available outbreak data. In the United States, outbreaks associated with dairy consumption cause, on

Meanwhile here in reality, not "estimated supposed "studies"

VIa CDC:  https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/outbreaks.html

Click by year... Not one single salmonella out break in RAW dairy,

Why Salmonella?  This causes actual human damage/death

So much for your "estimated" so called "study"--> AKA " I made it the Fuck up

CDC = 0 cases in ~20 years.  "study" 840X worse....

So child, 0 x 840 = ? =  0

So, from what I can tell, your link is pure BS and I note the dates of said "data" are same time period they needed "facts" to close down all the mom and pop dairy's in the 1980's so giant corporation dairy's could take over.

You are being led along like a blind SHEEP.  . 

 

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59 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Meanwhile here in reality, not "estimated supposed "studies"

VIa CDC:  https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/outbreaks.html

Click by year... Not one single salmonella out break in RAW dairy,

Why Salmonella?  This causes actual human damage/death

So much for your "estimated" so called "study"--> AKA " I made it the Fuck up

CDC = 0 cases in ~20 years.  "study" 840X worse....

So child, 0 x 840 = ? =  0

So, from what I can tell, your link is pure BS and I note the dates of said "data" are same time period they needed "facts" to close down all the mom and pop dairy's in the 1980's so giant corporation dairy's could take over.

You are being led along like a blind SHEEP.  . 

 

Wow!  A repeat response.

Consume what you wish.

Just like a sheep, I'll drive on the correct side of the road.