Ron Wagner + 649 July 10, 2023 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHMp9OUQgUg Hydrogen Fuel! Scientist James Tour Demonstrates Method For Free & Clean Green Energy Alternative Far less expensive source of hydrogen than wind or solar excess, while disposing of waste materials and producing graphene. It could eventually replace or blend with natural gas for a primary energy source. Vehicles could use it directly also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,635 RP July 12, 2023 Dont tell Mark Lawson he'll be fuming!! Mind you its another chapter for his book Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,405 July 12, 2023 On 7/10/2023 at 11:47 AM, Ron Wagner said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHMp9OUQgUg Hydrogen Fuel! Scientist James Tour Demonstrates Method For Free & Clean Green Energy Alternative Far less expensive source of hydrogen than wind or solar excess, while disposing of waste materials and producing graphene. It could eventually replace or blend with natural gas for a primary energy source. Vehicles could use it directly also. While there appears to be a lot of truthful information within that video, there seems to be a lot of missing detail as well. I hope it leads to cheaper hydrogen, but I foresee a lot of unanticipated, unmarketable, "ash" instead of graphene. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 July 12, 2023 6 hours ago, turbguy said: While there appears to be a lot of truthful information within that video, there seems to be a lot of missing detail as well. I hope it leads to cheaper hydrogen, but I foresee a lot of unanticipated, unmarketable, "ash" instead of graphene. It really just seems to be some advanced recycling. That is good but it doesn't solve the problem of produce anything new. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markslawson + 1,042 ML July 13, 2023 On 7/11/2023 at 3:47 AM, Ron Wagner said: Hydrogen Fuel! Scientist James Tour Demonstrates Method For Free & Clean Green Energy Alternative 10 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Dont tell Mark Lawson he'll be fuming!! Mind you its another chapter for his book 8 hours ago, turbguy said: While there appears to be a lot of truthful information within that video, there seems to be a lot of missing detail as well. I hope it leads to cheaper hydrogen, but I foresee a lot of unanticipated, unmarketable, "ash" instead of graphene. Why Rob thinks I'd be concerned I don't know. If the process works out that's fine but anyone who has followed tech "breakthroughs" would not pay much attention until the process is actually commercialised. James Tour, a scientist as well as a creationist which is weird, seems to have been talking about this process for a couple of years now, so if its so good why hasn't it been snapped up by a venture capitalist? Perhaps another way of looking at it is not so much a cheap way to produce H2 but an expensive way to produce graphene - at least I guess. I didn't see all the video but there didn't seem to be a straight cost statement. We spent this much per kg of plastics to get this much of graphene and this much of H2. There are no critiques of the process online that I could see. Anyway, of interest, but if I had any money I wouldn't invest in it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,542 July 13, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, markslawson said: talking about this process for a couple of years now, so if its so good why hasn't it been snapped up by a venture capitalist? Toyota has been down this road since 2002, anyone childish enough to suggest they missed the ball here is well you decide. The Toyota FCHV is a hybrid hydrogen fuel cell vehicle development programme of the Toyota Motor Corporation, which was leased to a limited number of drivers in the United States[1] and Japan beginning in 2002.[2] The Toyota FCHV and Honda FCX, which began leasing on 2 December 2002, became the world's first government-certified commercial hydrogen fuel cell vehicles.[3][4][5] Its first commercial fuel cell vehicle was developed from the FCHV-4, which was adapted from the Toyota Highlander body.[6] "FCHV" stands for "Fuel Cell Hybrid Vehicle". A number of prototypes have been produced, up to the latest FCHV-adv ("advanced"). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_FCHV Edited July 13, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markslawson + 1,042 ML July 14, 2023 23 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: oyota has been down this road since 2002, anyone childish enough to suggest they missed the ball here is well you decide. The Toyota FCHV is a hybrid hydrogen fuel cell vehicle development programme of the Toyota Motor Corporation, which was leased to a limited number of drivers in the United States[1] Oh yes, I'm well aware of the efforts to develop Hydrogen-fuelled cars. I'm not sure how that's relevant to my point but, as you know, sales to date for H2-cars have been very limited. Due to the difficulties of establishing refuelling points and so on green enthusiasts should decided on one alternative - EV, H2, hybrid, whatever - and stick to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,542 July 14, 2023 Ahh you spoke to venture capitalists either developing or deploying hydrogen tech. I was merely pointing out one of the most effective auto mfgs in the business spending a great deal of time&capital to no avail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markslawson + 1,042 ML July 15, 2023 On 7/14/2023 at 1:43 PM, Eyes Wide Open said: Ahh you spoke to venture capitalists either developing or deploying hydrogen tech. I was merely pointing out one of the most effective auto mfgs in the business spending a great deal of time&capital to no avail. We might be on teh same page - I just did not understand your earlies post.. no matter, let's move on.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 649 July 24, 2023 On 7/12/2023 at 6:09 PM, Eyes Wide Open said: Toyota has been down this road since 2002, anyone childish enough to suggest they missed the ball here is well you decide. The Toyota FCHV is a hybrid hydrogen fuel cell vehicle development programme of the Toyota Motor Corporation, which was leased to a limited number of drivers in the United States[1] and Japan beginning in 2002.[2] The Toyota FCHV and Honda FCX, which began leasing on 2 December 2002, became the world's first government-certified commercial hydrogen fuel cell vehicles.[3][4][5] Its first commercial fuel cell vehicle was developed from the FCHV-4, which was adapted from the Toyota Highlander body.[6] "FCHV" stands for "Fuel Cell Hybrid Vehicle". A number of prototypes have been produced, up to the latest FCHV-adv ("advanced"). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_FCHV I still think that natural gas is the best choice for fuel cells, I also try to introduce the latest ideas that I find important. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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