e-cars not selling

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4 minutes ago, notsonice said:

VW ID4 All Wheel Drive dual motor is priced these days the same as any ICE all wheel drive  SUV.....and if you have noticed the ID4 is an SUV

 

 all the majors with US producers with US production facilities are bringing similar models at better prices onto the showrooms right now into 2024 and 2025

Go and read the original article. Sure you can point to exceptions and they are now discounting EVs. No problems. But you still have the problem that an ordinary consumer will know that the charging infrastructure in most countries is still rudimentary and they need the car to get to work or drop the kids to school. The very point of all the examples quoted is that the bulk of consumers aren't buying them. Here is part of another article that says it all..  (links in response to Jay above).. Anyway, leave it with you.

 London | Carmakers in leading western markets have significantly increased the range and scale of discounts they offer on electric vehicles in a bid to counter weaker-than-expected appetite for battery models among mainstream buyers.

Sales and financial data compiled by HSBC shows carmakers are, for the first time, having to offer deals on battery models in order to shift vehicles that previously had months-long waiting lists.

In the UK, the average discount in October was 11 per cent below the recommended retail price. In the US, discounts on EVs were at 10 per cent. A year ago, discounts were barely offered in Germany where companies are now cutting prices about 7 per cent to attract buyers.

Rising prices, negative publicity around charging and safety, political attacks on EVs as well as greater caution from mass-market buyers have contributed to a sharp deceleration in sales growth.

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15 minutes ago, markslawson said:

Go and read the original article. Sure you can point to exceptions and they are now discounting EVs. No problems. But you still have the problem that an ordinary consumer will know that the charging infrastructure in most countries is still rudimentary and they need the car to get to work or drop the kids to school. The very point of all the examples quoted is that the bulk of consumers aren't buying them. Here is part of another article that says it all..  (links in response to Jay above).. Anyway, leave it with you.

 London | Carmakers in leading western markets have significantly increased the range and scale of discounts they offer on electric vehicles in a bid to counter weaker-than-expected appetite for battery models among mainstream buyers.

Sales and financial data compiled by HSBC shows carmakers are, for the first time, having to offer deals on battery models in order to shift vehicles that previously had months-long waiting lists.

In the UK, the average discount in October was 11 per cent below the recommended retail price. In the US, discounts on EVs were at 10 per cent. A year ago, discounts were barely offered in Germany where companies are now cutting prices about 7 per cent to attract buyers.

Rising prices, negative publicity around charging and safety, political attacks on EVs as well as greater caution from mass-market buyers have contributed to a sharp deceleration in sales growth.

they are now discounting EVs?????

10 percent off of Teslas price in 2022..............when they had a 28 percent margin...now their margin is 18 percent

that is a blockbuster margin in the auto biz

competition is heating up........expect the cost to move down more with the drop in lithium prices and the overall costs of batteries

According to data from Cox Automotive, parent of Kelley Blue Book, the average transaction price for electric cars was $53,469 in July 2023, vs. gas-powered vehicles at $48,334. Tesla contributed to a substantial drop in EV prices since late last year as it cut prices.

 

Enjoy the cost difference is now less than 10 percent down from 25 percent in 2022

2024 Parity

2025............watch out those pesky EVs will be cheaper to buy than their ICE counterparts

 

PS LFP chemistry offers a considerably longer cycle life than other lithium-ion chemistries. Under most conditions it supports more than 3,000 cycles, and under optimal conditions it supports more than 10,000 cycles.

 

at 200 miles for every charge you are looking at 600,000 miles for a battery to 2 million miles

any ICE cars spouting a life of 600,000 miles ????????

 

Edited December 2, 2023 by notsonice

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1 hour ago, markslawson said:

Jay - you've missed the point. There is a certain demand for EVs out there. No one is denying that. The problem is that it is limited to the rich green conscious and not much else. The problem was that those involved in EVs thought it was much broader. The rich and green couldn't buy EVs in Australia until recently, hence the current surge. As this is getting repetitious I'll leave it with you. 

A claim you have no evidence for. 

Edited December 2, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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1 hour ago, markslawson said:

 The very point of all the examples quoted is that the bulk of consumers aren't buying them. Here is part of another article that says it all..  (links in response to Jay above).. Anyway, leave it with you.

 London | Carmakers in leading western markets have significantly increased the range and scale of discounts they offer on electric vehicles in a bid to counter weaker-than-expected appetite for battery models among mainstream buyers.

Rising prices, negative publicity around charging and safety, political attacks on EVs as well as greater caution from mass-market buyers have contributed to a sharp deceleration in sales growth.

First you claim the problem is that prices are coming down then you cite rising prices as the problem. Make up you mind.

But then this has always been the core of your argument. A year ago they were too expensive and now they are too affordable.

The bulk of consumers aren't buying them because they are still a new entrant in the market. Growing market share takes time, factories aren't built overnight.

Edited December 2, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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1 hour ago, markslawson said:

Again you haven't understood the point I'm making. Sure sales may still being increasing but manufacturers are realising the market is approaching saturation. Here is part of an article that says it all.. 

a story in my old paper the AFR.. (the full article is behind a paywall)

London | Carmakers in leading western markets have significantly increased the range and scale of discounts they offer on electric vehicles in a bid to counter weaker-than-expected appetite for battery models among mainstream buyers.

Sales and financial data compiled by HSBC shows carmakers are, for the first time, having to offer deals on battery models in order to shift vehicles that previously had months-long waiting lists.

In the UK, the average discount in October was 11 per cent below the recommended retail price. In the US, discounts on EVs were at 10 per cent. A year ago, discounts were barely offered in Germany where companies are now cutting prices about 7 per cent to attract buyers.

Rising prices, negative publicity around charging and safety, political attacks on EVs as well as greater caution from mass-market buyers have contributed to a sharp deceleration in sales growth.

 

Increasing EV sales is the only point that matters. We have been telling you for a long time that the price of EVs would come down.

EU October car sales up 14.6%, EV sales jump more than 36%

By Nick Carey

November 20, 202311:04 PM PSTUpdated 11 days ago

LONDON, Nov 21 (Reuters) - New car sales in the European Union rose 14.6% in October, boosted in part by a big jump in sales of fully electric cars, while hybrid electric vehicles accounted for nearly three of every 10 vehicles sold in the economic bloc.

Sales of fully electric cars rose 36.3% from a year earlier and full hybrid sales were up nearly 39% as the EU recorded its 15th consecutive month of sales growth, the European Automobile Manufacturers Association (ACEA) said on Tuesday.

The ACEA said fully electric cars made up 14.2% of sales in October, overtaking sales of diesel cars for the third time.

As recently as 2015, diesel models accounted for more than 50% of cars sold in the EU, but they accounted for just 12% of sales in October.

For the ten months through October, sales of fully electric cars were up 53.1%.

Edited December 2, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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CATL’s EV Skateboard Platform Boasts A 621-Mile Range

Chinese automaker Hozon Auto will be the first to unveil a production EV based on the CATL Integrated Intelligent Chassis

 

Chinese company CATL, the world’s largest EV battery maker, is working on a new skateboard platform set to underpin EVs from other automakers. The CIIC (CATL Integrated Intelligent Chassis) has already started real-world testing in China, promising a range of 621 miles (1,000 km) between charges.

 

According to the company, the battery of the CIIC can replenish 186 miles (300 km) of range in 5 minutes when connected to a fast charger. In terms of efficiency, an impressive average consumption of 10.5 kWh/100km (5.9 miles/kWh) was achieved during testing, alongside the 621-mile (1,000 km) range. The latter was reduced by 30% in temperatures of 19.4°F (-7°C), meaning that the EV could still travel 435 miles (700 km) in cold weather.

CATL’s Skateboard Chassis Set for Mass Production Next Year

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22 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Increasing EV sales is the only point that matters. We have been telling you for a long time that the price of EVs would come down.

 

23 hours ago, notsonice said:

they are now discounting EVs?????

10 percent off of Teslas price in 2022..............when they had a 28 percent margin...now their margin is 18 percent

that is a blockbuster margin in the auto biz

Only glanced at your responses - we're going around in circles. Rather than respond I can suggest you take academic positions at the University of the New Age (in California of course). Jay can be Dean, NoSoNice can be professor of EVs, and Rob Plant can be professor of Alternative Energy. In academic jobs like that you can safely ignore all evidence that EVs are a niche market and that green energy is horrifically expensive and still requires conventional backup for decades - just as you can still find academics saying that socialism was not given a proper chance, that capitalism does not work and Rupert Murdoch is the root of all evil (journalism academics were still pushing that message as traditional journalism collapsed). You can produce papers carefully omitting all contrary data and fail students who try to point out that the world has moved on. Leave it with you. But think about the university idea - you're bound to get funding.         

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11 minutes ago, markslawson said:

 

Only glanced at your responses - we're going around in circles. Rather than respond I can suggest you take academic positions at the University of the New Age (in California of course). Jay can be Dean, NoSoNice can be professor of EVs, and Rob Plant can be professor of Alternative Energy. In academic jobs like that you can safely ignore all evidence that EVs are a niche market and that green energy is horrifically expensive and still requires conventional backup for decades - just as you can still find academics saying that socialism was not given a proper chance, that capitalism does not work and Rupert Murdoch is the root of all evil (journalism academics were still pushing that message as traditional journalism collapsed). You can produce papers carefully omitting all contrary data and fail students who try to point out that the world has moved on. Leave it with you. But think about the university idea - you're bound to get funding.         

We accept your capitulation to the fact that EV sales just keep growing and all you can do is lie about it.

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38 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

..

 

 

Edited December 3, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

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12 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

 

 

What a brilliant responce.

 

World EV Sales Now Equal 18% Of World Auto Sales

2 months agoJosé Pontes

 

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Global plugin vehicle registrations were up 45% in August 2023 compared to August 2022, rising to 1,238,00 units. In the end, plugins represented 18% share of the overall auto market (with a 13% BEV share alone). This means that the global automotive market is firmly in the Electric Disruption Zone*.

Edited December 3, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

What a brilliant responce.

 

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22 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

 

What you couldn't even come up with a new meaningless meme?

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43 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

What you couldn't even come up with a new meaningless meme?

Ya Don't Say...

 

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3 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Ya Don't Say...

 

'wow, how unimpressive, you continue to live up to your reputation.

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Record 29.7% EV Share In France

 

November’s market saw combined plugin EVs take a new record 29.7% share, with 20.1% full electrics (BEVs), and 9.5% plugin hybrids (PHEVs). These compare with YoY figures of 24.4%, with 15.2% BEV, and 9.2% PHEV.

Gee @markslawson I thought you told us that EVs had reached a saturation point. 

Edited December 4, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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China Plug-In Car Sales Hit New Record In October 2023

More than 800,000 new rechargeable cars were registered for the very first time in a single month.

Plug-in electric car sales in China consistently increase, reaching another all-time monthly record—the third one in a row.

According to EV Volumes' data, shared by researcher Jose Pontes, 808,094 new passenger plug-in electric cars were registered in China in October, which is 41% more than a year ago. This is the first result above 800,000 and we are now wondering whether it might get closer to one million at the end of the year, which is historically the strongest.

The market share of rechargeable cars in China increased to 39% (compared to 31% a year ago), including 26% for all-electric cars (well over 500,000) and 13% for plug-in hybrids. 

Gee @markslawson you guaranteed us this wouldn't happen.

Edited December 4, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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BYD Plug-In Car Sales Hit Another Record In November 2023

 

November shows us that BYD is gradually moving from plug-in hybrids to all-electric cars, as BEVs represent the majority of the volume and are also growing much faster than PHEVs.

Last month, all-electric car sales reached a new record of 170,150 units, while plug-in hybrids were not able to beat its record from September, only slightly increasing year-over-year to 131,228.

BYD Group passenger plug-in car sales last month (YOY change):

• BEVs: 170,150 (up 49%)
• PHEVs: 131,228 (up 13%)
• Total: 301,378 (up 31%)
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On 12/1/2023 at 7:21 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

First you claim the problem is that prices are coming down then you cite rising prices as the problem. Make up you mind.

But then this has always been the core of your argument. A year ago they were too expensive and now they are too affordable.

The bulk of consumers aren't buying them because they are still a new entrant in the market. Growing market share takes time, factories aren't built overnight.

EVs are still too expensive in relation to the value of the service provided.

EVs are turkeys, no one really wants an EV.

You do not want an EV. 

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22 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

 

Record 29.7% EV Share In France

 

November’s market saw combined plugin EVs take a new record 29.7% share, with 20.1% full electrics (BEVs), and 9.5% plugin hybrids (PHEVs). These compare with YoY figures of 24.4%, with 15.2% BEV, and 9.2% PHEV.

Gee @markslawson I thought you told us that EVs had reached a saturation point. 

Fossil fuels vehicles still dominate.

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

Fossil fuels vehicles still dominate.

Not as much as they did before. EV sales just keep growing. 

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On 12/2/2023 at 11:42 PM, markslawson said:

 

Only glanced at your responses - we're going around in circles. Rather than respond I can suggest you take academic positions at the University of the New Age (in California of course). Jay can be Dean, NoSoNice can be professor of EVs, and Rob Plant can be professor of Alternative Energy. In academic jobs like that you can safely ignore all evidence that EVs are a niche market and that green energy is horrifically expensive and still requires conventional backup for decades - just as you can still find academics saying that socialism was not given a proper chance, that capitalism does not work and Rupert Murdoch is the root of all evil (journalism academics were still pushing that message as traditional journalism collapsed). You can produce papers carefully omitting all contrary data and fail students who try to point out that the world has moved on. Leave it with you. But think about the university idea - you're bound to get funding.         

Ahhh "glanced at the responses" because you dont have an argument back to us to try to cling to your original position.

Just to be clear we arent going round in circles on this, its just we have made your post to look foolish beyond belief. You keep posting the same rubbish over and over again in the hope that if you post it a dozen times it will magically become right, well it wont as its crap!

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US year-to-date sales of battery electric vehicles (BEVs) topped 1 million units during November, the first time BEV sales have exceeded that threshold in a single sales year. Through 11 months of the year, BEV sales totaled 1,007,984, an increase of 50.7% year over year. And BEVs sold by franchised dealerships represented 39.7% of all the new BEVs sold so far this year.   https://www.nada.org/media/9117/download?inline

Edited December 6, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/use-of-energy/transportation.php

In the United States electricity fuels less than 1% of transportation as if 2022. RCW

 

Use of energy explainedEnergy use for transportation

 

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The United States is a nation on the move. About 27% of total U.S. energy consumption in 2022 was for transporting people and goods from one place to another.¹

Transportation sector share of total U.S. energy consumption, 2022

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An interactive pie chart showing the U.S. transportation sector's share of total U.S. energy consumption in 2022.

 

Transportation sector share of total U.S. energy consumption, 2022transportation27%transportation27%other73%other73%Data source: U.S. Energy Information Administration, Monthly Energy Review, Table 2.1, May 2023, preliminary data

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There are four major categories of transportation energy sources

The major transportation energy sources used in the United States are:

• Petroleum products made from crude oil and from natural gas processing, including motor and aviation gasoline, distillate fuels (mostly diesel fuel), jet fuel, residual fuel oil, and propane
• Biofuels
• Natural gas
• Electricity produced from many different energy sources

The types and uses of transportation energy sources include:

• Motor gasoline is used in cars, motorcycles, light trucks, and boats. Aviation gasoline is used in many types of airplanes.
• Distillate fuels are used mainly by trucks, buses, and trains and in boats and ships.
• Jet fuel is used in jet airplanes and some types of helicopters.
• Residual fuel oil is used in ships.
• Biofuels may be blended into gasoline, diesel fuel, and jet fuel.
• Natural gas is used to operate compressors to move natural gas in pipelines. Compressed natural gas and liquefied natural gas are used in cars, buses, trucks, and ships. Most of the vehicles that use natural gas are in government and private vehicle fleets.
• Propane (a hydrocarbon gas liquid) is used in cars, buses, and trucks. Most of the vehicles that use propane are in government and private vehicle fleets.
• Electricity is used by public mass transit systems and by electric vehicles.

Petroleum is the main U.S. transportation energy source

In 2022, petroleum products accounted for about 90% of total U.S. transportation sector energy use. Biofuels contributed about 6%, most of which were blended with petroleum fuels (gasoline, diesel fuel, and jet fuel). Natural gas accounted for about 5%, and nearly all was used as a fuel for natural gas pipeline compressors. Electricity use by mass transit systems was less than 1% of total energy consumption by the transportation sector. Electricity use for charging electric vehicles was relatively small in 2022 but is expected to increase.²

U.S. transportation energy sources, 20221

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An interactive pie chart showing the types of fuels used by the U.S. transportation sector and their shares of total transportation sector energy use in 2022.

 

U.S. transportation energy sources, 2022¹Data source: U.S. Energy Information Administration, Monthly Energy Review, Tables 2.5, 3.8c, and A1, May 2023, and Petroleum Supply Monthly, April 2023; preliminary data
Note: Sum of individual components may not equal 100% because of independent rounding.
1. Based on energy content.
2. Gasoline is motor gasoline (excluding ethanol) and aviation gasoline. Distillates exclude biodiesel and renewable diesel fuel. Biofuels include ethanol, biodiesel, renewable diesel, and other biofuels.
3. Other includes residual fuel oil, lubricants, hydrocarbon gas liquids (propane), and electricity (includes electrical system energy losses). Natural gas includes use for pipelines and vehicles.

gasoline ²
52%

distillates ²
22%

jet fuel
12%

biofuels²
6%

natural gas ³
5%

other ³
3%

distillates ²
22%

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Gasoline is the dominant U.S. transportation fuel

Gasoline is the dominant transportation fuel in the United States, followed by distillate fuels (mostly diesel fuel) and jet fuel. Gasoline includes motor gasoline and aviation gasoline. On an energy content basis, gasoline (excluding fuel ethanol) accounted for 52% of total energy consumption by the U.S. transportation sector in 2022. Distillate fuels, mostly diesel (excluding biofuels blended with diesel), accounted for 23%, and jet fuel accounted for 12%.

U.S. gasoline consumption for transportation has increased even though overall fuel economy in cars and light trucks has improved

The national average fuel economy for light-duty vehicles (passenger cars, pickup trucks, vans, sport utility vehicles, and crossover vehicles) has improved over time mainly because of the fuel economy standards the federal government established for those types of vehicles. However, total motor gasoline consumption for transportation generally increased after fuel economy standards were set because of increases in the number of vehicles in use and in the number of miles traveled per vehicle. The increase in vehicles was primarily light pickup trucks, minivans, sport utility vehicles, and crossover vehicles, which have lower fuel economy than many passenger cars.

U.S. motor gasoline consumption for transportation and light-duty vehicle fuel economy, 1970-2021

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An interactive line chart showing U.S. motor gasoline consumption for transportation and light-duty vehicle fuel economy in 1970 through 2021.

The chart has 1 X axis displaying values. Range: 1970 to 2021.

The chart has 2 Y axes displaying million gallons per day and miles per gallon.

 

million gallons per daymiles per gallonU.S. motor gasoline consumption for transportation and light-duty vehicle fueleconomy, 1970-2021gasoline consumptionlight-duty vehicle fuel economy19701975198019851990199520002005201020152020010020030040050001020304050Data source: U.S. Energy Information Administration, Monthly Energy Review, Tables 1.8 and 3.7c, May 2023

1971
▬  gasoline consumption
244.75 million gallons per day
▬  light-duty vehicle fuel economy
244.75 million gallons per day

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Biofuels are added to petroleum fuels

Ethanol and biodiesel were some of the first automobile fuels, but they were replaced by gasoline and diesel fuel made from crude oil by the early 1900's. Today, most of the motor gasoline sold in the United States contains up to 10% ethanol by volume. Most biodiesel and renewable diesel fuel is blended with petroleum diesel. In 2022, total biofuels consumption accounted for about 6% of total U.S. transportation sector energy consumption. Ethanol's share was about 4%, and the share of biodiesel, renewable diesel, and other biofuels combinded was about 2%.¹

Light-duty vehicles account for about 53% of total U.S. transportation energy use

Cars, vans, and buses are commonly used to transport people. Trucks, airplanes, and trains are used to move people and freight. Barges and pipelines move freight or bulk quantities of materials.

The U.S. Energy Information Administration estimates that light-duty vehicles—cars, light trucks, and motorcycles—account for the largest share of total U.S. transportation sector energy consumption.²

U.S. transportation energy use by mode and type, 2022

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An interactive bar chart showing the estimated percentage shares of U.S. transportation energy use by mode and type in 2022.

The chart has 1 X axis displaying categories.

The chart has 1 Y axis displaying values. Range: 0 to 35.

 

U.S. transportation energy use by mode and type, 2022light trucks 32%cars and motorcyles 21%other trucks 25%aircraft 10%boats and ships 5%pipeline fuel 3%trains and buses 3%military (all modes) 2%lubricants <1%Data source: U.S. Energy Information Administration, Annual Energy Outlook 2023, Reference case, Table 35, estimates for2022

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¹ Source: U.S. Energy Information Administration, Monthly Energy Review, Tables 2.1b, 2.5, 3.7c, 3.8c, 10.2c, 10.3, and 10.4 (a, b, and c), May 2023, preliminary data for 2022.
² Source: U.S. Energy Information Administration, Annual Energy Outlook 2023, Table 35, February 2023.

Last updated: August 16, 2023, with data from the Monthly Energy Review, May 2023, and Annual Energy Outlook 2023, March 2023; data for 2022 are preliminary.

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I once sold gasoline for 29.9 cents in the sixties. Today it is about $2.99 or less in many areas. The wholesale price just dropped further today and today the taxes are much higher per gallon!

What would $1 dollar in 1965 be worth today?

$1 in 1965 has the same purchasing power as $9.55 today. Over the 58 years this is a change of $8.55. The average inflation rate of the dollar between 1965 and 2023 was 2.00% per year. The cumulative price increase of the dollar over this time was 855.05%.

 

The attraction of EV's is partially because of the price of fuel versus charging. I don't think that EV's can match the value over the years for the average person. All financial considerations must be assessed including interest, maintenance, battery replacement, higher insurance costs, etc. 

 

Prices in the European Union are a whole different subject. Their prices equal up to about $8.00 per gallon therefore comparing European EV sales to Americas fuel prices and the distances we drive versus Europe should not be compared as if they are equal in needs or wants.  

 

Edited December 12, 2023 by Ron Wagner

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10 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

Prices in the European Union are a whole different subject. Their prices equal up to about $8.00 per gallon therefore comparing European EV sales to Americas fuel prices and the distances we drive versus Europe should not be compared as if they are equal in needs or wants.  

Ron this bit I actually agree with, you cant compare apples with pears.

However the USA's unwillingness to go EV or even PHEV on mass due to poor recharging infrastructure, lack of stock on lots (historically), very slow reaction from auto manufacturers (other than Tesla) means the USA will be playing catch up for a long long time and may never find their own vehicles from Ford, GM etc or indeed their infrastructure to be competitive or adequate.

EV's make sense in Europe but until the infrastructure and the battery range are improved upon I understand the reticence for the average US driver to buy one.